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Old 05-15-2018, 12:34 PM   #101
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Think positive.

If they have not already thought of it doing it a charter for fireworks viewing would be pretty great,

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Old 05-15-2018, 12:39 PM   #102
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Yup, bad things can happen in bad weather and all boats can take on water unexpectedly. All the things you mentioned could happen, and the can happen to any boat on the lake, large or small. Maybe we should all wait for The Dive to go thru the build, permitting, and inspection process to see what comes out of it. It seems to me that we all spend far to much time trying to find the down side rather than imagining the good. Human nature I guess!


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Many of the questions are arising from the photos posted on their website and are legitimate questions based on the vessels design. I truly hope that is a safe design and a successful business as I think I would use their services on occasions instead of waiting for a slip to open at a town dock or in line for a table at one of the lakeside establishments
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You bring up a good point. I wonder if they will be able to anchor in, say Merideth Bay, and do business. Bet that would tick off the restaurants and I cream parlors. I also wonder if they will be able run a launch to move people back and forth from town docks.


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That would be bloody PERFECT !

Drop the wife off at the town docks (where you can never get a slip anyway) let her go shopping while I mozy over to the Dive !

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Yup, bad things can happen in bad weather and all boats can take on water unexpectedly. All the things you mentioned could happen, and the can happen to any boat on the lake, large or small. Maybe we should all wait for The Dive to go thru the build, permitting, and inspection process to see what comes out of it. It seems to me that we all spend far to much time trying to find the down side rather than imagining the good. Human nature I guess!


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I was thinking exactly this!

I would imagine the "owners" have already considered all of these factors and likely have vetted the permitting process prior to spending $100's of thousands of dollars building it.

With all of the chatter on this site about finding places to eat near various docks, I am surprised at the responses to this thread that are less than favorable.
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If they anchor in a "No Rafting" area can you pull up to it and tie up while they cook your burger?

Can you order by phone and do a "touch and go" in a No Rafting zone when your food is ready?

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We might as well start with the negative food reviews now....why wait?

I wish them success!
Agree. That Shades of Maui operation though years ago was fantastic.
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Its not a raft if you are the only boat tied to "The Dive". A raft is 3 or more boats tied together.
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Its not a raft if you are the only boat tied to "The Dive". A raft is 3 or more boats tied together.
Right, but doesn't being in a no rafting zone prohibit boats anchoring within a certain footage? I generally don't do sand bars so I really don't know.
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Right, but doesn't being in a no rafting zone prohibit boats anchoring within a certain footage? I generally don't do sand bars so I really don't know.
25 ft between single boats anchored in a NRZ. 50 ft between 2 boats tied together and outer boats anchored in the NRZ.

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25 ft between single boats anchored in a NRZ. 50 ft between 2 boats tied together and outer boats anchored in the NRZ.

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And 150 feet from shore in most of the rafting areas. Braun Bay is 75 I believe.
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None of us have a clue but it's still fun to speculate. Some if it might even turn out to be correct.


I have to think they will sort of follow the food truck model. Announce on twitter they will be here, here and here at these times. They are not making money while driving around and since they will need to sort of keep to a schedule flagging them down for a burger mid lake seems unlikely; they would never get where they are going otherwise.
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Yup, bad things can happen in bad weather and all boats can take on water unexpectedly. All the things you mentioned could happen, and the can happen to any boat on the lake, large or small. Maybe we should all wait for The Dive to go thru the build, permitting, and inspection process to see what comes out of it. It seems to me that we all spend far to much time trying to find the down side rather than imagining the good. Human nature I guess!
I think you misunderstood. The Dive appears to be designed above a barge basis. It has steel supports to the floor above. Operating in shallow water—if subjected to a microburst—it has the distinct advantage of being run aground intentionally. Intentional flooding would help to anchor it. If it were my design, I'd add hydraulic outboard "jack plates".

Seeing Winnipesaukee's construction barges operating every day, I've noticed they don't go out in heavy wind conditions. (Having witnessed a microburst while holding my boat in knee-deep, but sheltered, water—neither do I ). Although I haven't made a correlation (yet) with bad weather; sometimes, they'll come to a complete stop for many minutes—then turn around to return to their base in Johnson's Cove.

By contrast, the Winnipesaukee Belle has a flat bottom, but isn't a design like The Dive. (It doesn't power its side-paddles, as they're ornamentation). I've never seen it navigate in a straight line, as it is subject to random yawing.

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Taking bets on how long it will be before somebody t-bones that thing pulling up to the "dive thru"?
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Lol 2 words come to mind...fuster cluck.
I'm confused, why would it be any more challenging than approaching a wide-open dock? I've seen some poor docking performances (my own included), but I have yet to see anyone t-bone one.
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I am all in on this idea. Such a cool concept
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Still has some work to do from what we saw …………….. pic's from Saturday

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Thanks for the photos.

Maybe it's just me, but in the spirit of armchair reviews, if I was designing something like that with twin engines, I would have them placed as far apart as possible to help with control of the boat.

I'm looking forward to seeing it on the water, and will plan on stopping by.
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The one thing we took note of immediately is IF ( and no one knows for sure yet) WAM is it's home base -- watch out when the Dive heads in/out of the Smalls Cove channel ………………..



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Maybe it's just me, but in the spirit of armchair reviews, if I was designing something like that with twin engines, I would have them placed as far apart as possible to help with control of the boat.



I'm looking forward to seeing it on the water, and will plan on stopping by.


I had the same thought!


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Maybe it's just me, but in the spirit of armchair reviews, if I was designing something like that with twin engines, I would have them placed as far apart as possible to help with control of the boat.

I'm looking forward to seeing it on the water, and will plan on stopping by.

Agree! It would be much better for control. With this engine spacing and the high freeboard it will be difficult to adjust pivoting 180 degrees or in any tight spacing. I just don't see a barge like this will do well in any waters. I drove the Winnie Bell and it has two I/O's and control was very difficult.
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Although odd sounding, to me -it looked like the engines were mounted on the same bracket which appeared to have the ability to raise & lower.

Again, we did not get in close to her (and I may be wrong on the above) but could this be a reason for the close spacing ……………… although I cannot conceive of why they would want this function- unless they expect to be underway with a "Heavy" load and need to adjust the propulsion ??

We are in & out of WAM and weather permitting will take a closer look this coming weekend.



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I would not want to try and pilot this thing on a windy day! Between the shortness of the season, and the number of days when the wind is blowing down the lake, it will be interesting to see how many useful days they get out of this thing.
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My first post!?!? After a long time lurking. I like the novelty of this idea being on the lake. Just another option when out on the lake to have fun and do something different. After reading the info. on their web. It seems the Captain Jamison has a ton of experience on the water as a Captain as well as with barges. I would think with all that experience he must have some knowledge when building his own barge from scratch what he needs to pilot the barge on this specific lake. So I give him the benefit of doubt until I see him going sideways out in the broads.
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Diversified Marine’s barge has a similar setup. Dave Farley maneuvers it like a sports car.


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Unfortunately it looks like they won't be launching imminently. Their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/thedivelakewinni/) shows a video from two weeks ago which makes it look like they have a lot to do.

I guess mid-August.

What do you think?
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I agree, if they were just welding the stairs two week ago I would say a minimum of August 1st if they get moving.
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Unfortunately it looks like they won't be launching imminently. Their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/thedivelakewinni/) shows a video from two weeks ago which makes it look like they have a lot to do.

I guess mid-August.

What do you think?
I guess next year, or at best, a short trial run this year. It's going to take some time to staff up and train as well. It is (obviously?) a very seasonal thing, what kind of help are you going to be able to hire in August for what would then be an ~4 week "season"?

Something like this needs to be able to do its "shakedown cruise" by May 1st to be fully operational to capture the seasonal revenue, IMO.
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I get the impression from their website that they have a chef lined up and for larger events they have a group of caterers/vendors lined up. Many DJ's and Bands are available, so there isn't a lot of training/hiring needed as I see it. The business issue is working capital from Columbus Day to My 1, 2019 when there may be no revenue. It is possible, depending on home port, to heat the interior spaces and operate without actually cruising. If they have AC, they probably have heat, yes?
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I was at WAM over the weekend and took a morning stroll with my daughter around the property. We meandered over to see the progress at The Dive and I was surprised at the considerable amount of work still to be completed.

Even with my curiosity meter pegging at 12, we did not board the vessel however I'd estimate there is a solid month's worth of work for a crew of 8+.

While this establishment isn't necessarily up my alley, I hope the owners at least get their maiden voyage in this season.
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I was at WAM over the weekend and took a morning stroll with my daughter around the property. We meandered over to see the progress at The Dive and I was surprised at the considerable amount of work still to be completed.



Even with my curiosity meter pegging at 12, we did not board the vessel however I'd estimate there is a solid month's worth of work for a crew of 8+.



While this establishment isn't necessarily up my alley, I hope the owners at least get their maiden voyage in this season.


Thanks for the update and photos. Awesome!!


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Doesn t look like much finish work has been done?

Long way to go!!
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This looks like its on track to be the fanciest bob house on the lake. Anchor over a winter hotspot, let it freeze in place, drill a series of 6" to 8" holes & rent jiggin poles. Serve hot chocolate....

I am speeding up my 3 year estimate of its sale to a shorefront restaurant to that happening within a year.
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I was at WAM over the weekend and took a morning stroll with my daughter around the property. We meandered over to see the progress at The Dive and I was surprised at the considerable amount of work still to be completed.

Even with my curiosity meter pegging at 12, we did not board the vessel however I'd estimate there is a solid month's worth of work for a crew of 8+.

While this establishment isn't necessarily up my alley, I hope the owners at least get their maiden voyage in this season.
Thanks for the updated pictures. I have a feeling we will likely not see the dive out and about this year. While they may have secured help and a chef with ambitious hopes. Getting through all the regulatory issues, permitting etc. generally takes longer then planned. In fact it sinks many business every year. They also may have run into funding issues, investors pulling out etc. When things didn't happen as planned.

Bottom line is pulling off a venture like this is no small task. There is heart and soul being put into this venture I am sure. But heart and soul don't by much in the business world.

I hope that these people are able to succeed. I think it would be a neat business on the lake.... Although not to this scale, we have seen similar businesses tried to take advantage of the Party spots, by providing food over the years. This venture will show if scale was the issue in the past, or if there just isn't a workable model that will succeed.

Now I don't mean to imply past attempts have failed financially. What I am implying is that past attempts have not been successful enough to warrant continued service.
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I think the solid money is in weddings and events, not selling hot dogs on sand bars. If they get out on the water in 2018 with a few ticketed events, bands etc. they will book big events for 2019 and be very successful. In the meantime, as mentioned above, if there is a homeport where they can just be a dockside night club in the fall, there can be some good cash flow and add to interest for 2019 event bookings. Tied to the right dock for Bike Week 2019 could be a great money maker, if they aren't already wedding/event booked. I see a lot of options here just because people want some thing unique.
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I'm confused, why would it be any more challenging than approaching a wide-open dock? I've seen some poor docking performances (my own included), but I have yet to see anyone t-bone one.
I picture multiple boats trying to get into one spot for pickup...
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Am I the only one who looks at that and has visions of it capsized with a load of people in it? I'm wondering if stability tests are required for it?
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Its built on barge... similar to the Winni Belle. I am sure before it gets a permit to operate the MP will do a shakedown cruise and inspection. Just like they do on the Mount and the Belle every year.

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What surprises me most is that the new owners have been totally "mute" on the forum ………. a great platform for them to address these "speculations", update their progress & intents, etc., etc...………..


Surprises me that they are (apparently) oblivious to a great marketing opportunity or simply choose not to participate - which is a shame unto itself !


Just an observation -- not a criticism or judgement



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As we know this forum can be a double edged sword so maybe they have decided to opt out to avoid criticism and skeptics before they are even up and running. As with any business on the lake a truly hope they succeed.


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What surprises me most is that the new owners have been totally "mute" on the forum ………. a great platform for them to address these "speculations", update their progress & intents, etc., etc...………..


Surprises me that they are (apparently) oblivious to a great marketing opportunity or simply choose not to participate - which is a shame unto itself !


Just an observation -- not a criticism or judgement



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There are a couple of ways to look at this.... I think they are doing the right thing, which is staying quiet until the can announce a launch date, and maidan voyage...

Someone else mention safety concerns with capsizing. As Woody pointed out they will have to go through inspection I am sure, just like other commercial vessels on the lake. I don't know what this entails on an inland waterway like winnipesaukee. But on lake Champlain under Coast Guard jurisdiction it was an undertaking, including the boats having to come out of the water every so many years....... Having been build upon a barge, and presumably with adjustable ballast, I would have to believe that it will be fairly stable.....

As with anything... there are many what ifs.... What if the vessel looses steerage... whoops the mount did that and almost took out a boat house in Center Harbor... Whoops lake is low and the mail boat got suck on a rock.... Come on folks, this business is going to be insured... the insurance company is going to dictate safety standards to maintain coverage, and presumably there will be some kind of business loan, and the bank will not let the company operate with out insurance... There may be days where she can't leave port because the Captain will not believe it is safe to do so... But I believe we should give these people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to safety of the vessel, until proven otherwise.... The could have thrown something together and been out on the water by now.... instead they appear to be doing everything right, hoping for a successful launch....
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Well said! For some reason, every time somebody comes up with an idea we all assume they haven’t done their due diligence and start pointing out potential problems/errors/loopholes. We search for the negative. (I’m guilty as charged). We need to give them a chance to provide a product/service we can evaluate then provide an analysis based on experience.


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I wonder if the top deck will be high enough to parachute off of?
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I wonder if the top deck will be high enough to parachute off of?
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I have been looking at the pictures, thinking a nice water slide from the top deck along the side would be cool.
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I have been looking at the pictures, thinking a nice water slide from the top deck along the side would be cool.
Oh ya... the insurance premiums would be prohibitive, no doubt.
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