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Old 09-07-2012, 09:38 AM   #1
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This will even convince the bravest to take a seat while boating.
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Old 09-07-2012, 10:04 AM   #2
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I wonder what kind of boat that is....seems like the throttles are on the left.
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I wonder what kind of boat that is....seems like the throttles are on the left.
It's a Fountain. Actually, the boat has stand up bolster seats. (drop down seats). In rough water you're supposed to Stand Up..BUT inside the bolsters. NB
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There were a lot of broken bones in that accident.

Here's what I've read about it:

"Hey guys, I was a passenger in this boat during the accident. Yes, there are many cardinal rules broken. The most important one I feel is no life jackets worn. As crazy as it seems, we had jackets for each person but as the poker run began we realized no one else was wearing them..... How foolish we were. I have read so many nasty comments on YouTube and other sites I am in shock. My wife suffered 4 broken ribs, punctured lung and a broken foot. She has not left the house since getting home. She is in severe pain. The driver crushed his eye orbital and broke hus back at T8 ( he is a former F-2 racer with APBA). Another passenger who raced professionally for many years broke his pelvis in several places and is in a wheelchair. One of the other girls crushed her eye orbital also. The guy from lake tv fractured his hip and broke his wrist. My injuries were minor compared, busted my head open and damaged a rib or two. Everyone is black and blue. This was a very upsetting event for everyone involved. I have been around powerboats for many years and it only takes on unguarded minute to loose a life or permanently hurt people you love. I am very thankful this did not end up worse. I hope everyone learns from this. I know I will boat differently. All of the guys in the boat are members of OSO. I think it is necessary to break down the accident and discuss this, just remember these are real people who like you who love power boating and do it every weekend."
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There were a lot of broken bones in that accident.

Here's what I've read about it:

"Hey guys, I was a passenger in this boat during the accident. Yes, there are many cardinal rules broken. The most important one I feel is no life jackets worn. As crazy as it seems, we had jackets for each person but as the poker run began we realized no one else was wearing them..... How foolish we were. I have read so many nasty comments on YouTube and other sites I am in shock. My wife suffered 4 broken ribs, punctured lung and a broken foot. She has not left the house since getting home. She is in severe pain. The driver crushed his eye orbital and broke hus back at T8 ( he is a former F-2 racer with APBA). Another passenger who raced professionally for many years broke his pelvis in several places and is in a wheelchair. One of the other girls crushed her eye orbital also. The guy from lake tv fractured his hip and broke his wrist. My injuries were minor compared, busted my head open and damaged a rib or two. Everyone is black and blue. This was a very upsetting event for everyone involved. I have been around powerboats for many years and it only takes on unguarded minute to loose a life or permanently hurt people you love. I am very thankful this did not end up worse. I hope everyone learns from this. I know I will boat differently. All of the guys in the boat are members of OSO. I think it is necessary to break down the accident and discuss this, just remember these are real people who like you who love power boating and do it every weekend."
Any idea how fast the boat was traveling?
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Any idea how fast the boat was traveling?
It doesn't take Speed to roll a boat like that. It takes a Skipper that isn't paying attention.

He was distracted by the HOT Babe on his left....He wasn't thinkin about driving the boat. NB
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Any idea how fast the boat was traveling?
I have no idea. The throttles were wide open at the start of it all.
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Here is an article that estimates speed. Seems to some disparity as to how fast.
Anywhere from 70 - 100. Way to fast.


Video of boat crash goes viral
TV cameraman catches violent wake impact at Lake of the Ozarks
By Thomas Gounley *|*FILED UNDER -*Life*/ Outdoors |*6:14 AM, Sep. 6, 2012
A video of a power boating accident at the Lake of the Ozarks quickly spread around the world over the Labor Day weekend.

The footage, filmed by LakeTV from the front of the boat, shows a Fountain powerboat — and its passengers — violently slamming from side to side after hitting the wake left by another boat. The group attempts to hold on to the boat for stability but ultimately get tossed around like rag dolls.

The driver, Marvin Carter of Memphis, Tenn., was cited with careless and imprudent operation following the Aug. 24 incident. But when the video of the accident was uploaded to YouTube on Aug. 31, he received another citation.

“After seeing the video, he was charged with a seating violation,” said Sgt. Jerry Callahan of the Missouri State Highway Patrol’s Water Division.

Callahan said that Carter estimated he was traveling 70 mph when the accident occurred.

Brett Tintera, a cameraman with LakeTV who was on the boat, disagreed with that estimate and said that Carter had floored the boat moments before the accident.

“We were doing over 100,” said Tintera, who added in a phone interview Wednesday that he’s been boating for over 20 years and dealing with high performance craft for the last half dozen. “When you open the throttles up, you go way higher than 60-70 mph.”

There is no speed limit on the Lake of the Ozarks during the day. The nighttime speed limit is 30 mph. However, the Water Patrol can still cite boaters for speeds that it believes are unsafe for the conditions.

The boat was participating in the Poker Run, a charity event that is part of the Lake of the Ozarks Shootout, which bills itself as “the largest unsanctioned boat race in the Midwest.” Tintera said the Poker Run had a 70 mph speed limit.

Carter and four passengers, including Tintera, were taken to area hospitals. Two women on board — a mother and daughter from Memphis — declined treatment at the scene.

Tintera, who is visible in the video wearing a blue shirt in the right rear portion of the boat, suffered a broken leg, broken wrist and ruptured disc in his back.

None of the passengers was wearing a life jacket, though there is no requirement that they do so.

“The lake shouldn’t get a bad rap, and the event shouldn’t get a bad rap,” Tintera said.

Callahan said the accident could have been a lot worse.

“We’re really lucky — falls overboard are the most common fatality accident nationwide,” he said. “We’re lucky all the passengers stayed in the boat.”

Shawn Kober, co-owner of LakeTV, an independent television station that covers the Lake of the Ozarks region, said it was not unusual for the station to be filming action on the lake.

“That’s just our niche — we film on the water,” Kober.

Kober uploaded the footage to YouTube on Friday as part of a regular six-minute-long weekly news update. By the time he went to sleep that night, it had accumulated 4,000 views — already a respectable total for the station.

When he woke up, it was at 100,000.

By late Wednesday afternoon, the original had nearly 2 million views, and various other videos including the footage pushed that number significantly higher. One video with footage of the crash set to dubstep music, for example, had more than 590,000 views. The video has been featured on “Today,” “Good Morning America” and the homepage of Yahoo! News.

“This one was just the right angle for the wrong moment,” Kober said.
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Seeing that video was like dejavu for me. I had an experience in a century arabian when I was 16. We were skiing outside of Wolfeboro bay and there was a good amount of baot traffic aas the day progressed. we moved to ski between barndoor and Kenniston in flatter water. I remember sitting in the passenger front seat and the operator taking the turn too hard and too fast and hitting the chop from another boat paralle. We violently bounde like that boat did except we were all seated. We were all pretty banged up.
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The cameraman thought they were doing over 100mph? It's a 38 lightning, it would need a lot of hp to break 100. I drove a 38, at full speed with twin 500hp blue motors, I ran just over 80. A fellow islander had a 35 with twin 525's that I am told would do 93 but never experienced it myself.
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The cameraman thought they were doing over 100mph? It's a 38 lightning, it would need a lot of hp to break 100. I drove a 38, at full speed with twin 500hp blue motors, I ran just over 80. A fellow islander had a 35 with twin 525's that I am told would do 93 but never experienced it myself.
If a 38 Lightning will run 80 with twin 500s, it'll run 100 with with two 781 HP engines. That would be easy to achieve with a little supercharging.
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If a 38 Lightning will run 80 with twin 500s, it'll run 100 with with two 781 HP engines. That would be easy to achieve with a little supercharging.
I never said it was impossible, I said it would take a lot of hp to do it. The normal factory ordered engine packages in that boat would not get it there, but there are plenty of aftermarket engines that would, as well as supercharging the existing ones ($25 to 30k for the pair easily).

I haven't bothered, nor cared to dig into OSO about this topic but I am sure all the pertinent details about the boat are on there.
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Looks similar to the "Donzi poker run" I witnessed this year from the WAM sandbar.. Bow to stern 60 plus miles an hour... Stupid is as stupid does!!
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Looks similar to the "Donzi poker run" I witnessed this year from the WAM sandbar.. Bow to stern 60 plus miles an hour... Stupid is as stupid does!!
I've not commented or had any problems with your posts. But that was a pretty ignorant reply.
Having had a 25 outlaw capable of doing 68mph all day long there is nothing wrong with speed when you know how to use it as well as read the water conditions and adjust your speed accordingly.
To arbitrarily say that doing 60+ is stupid is a stupid comment.
Any and all boats can be dangerous when in the hands of someone who is not capable of taking steps to minimize the chance for an accident.
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Looks similar to the "Donzi poker run" I witnessed this year from the WAM sandbar.. Bow to stern 60 plus miles an hour... Stupid is as stupid does!!
So they are all driving $100,00 to $300,000 boats and you are ice fishing.....guess they don't realize that they are stupid.
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So they are all driving $100,00 to $300,000 boats and you are ice fishing.....guess they don't realize that they are stupid.
A lot could be said for someone who spends a cold winter day out on the ice waiting for a fish to bite. Even if you have a nice warm shack to sit in.
But hey to each their own, my son enjoys the hell out of it, me I'd rather be on my sled.
But I'd never call those who ice fish stupid just because I don't have any interest in it. Honestly a lot has to do with not liking to eat freshwater fish.
If I had the time to I'd fish for salt water fish whenever I could, cause I love eating seafood.
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[QUOTE=Belmont Resident;190720]A lot could be said for someone who spends a cold winter day out on the ice waiting for a fish to bite.
But I'd never call those who ice fish stupid just because I don't have any interest in it.

Good point,Belmont....
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I agree with Altonbayicefishingfool - if you are doing 60mph with boats bow to stern that is stupid. Also dangerous, not mention clearly against the law.

Totally slamming someone with out taking the time to read and understand thier post - that is ignorant.
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So your saying 15 feet off the stern of the group of 40 plus boats going 60+ is a safe bet? I don't care how safe or expierianced you are.. That's just plain dumb!

That would be the point I was trying to get across..
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Looks similar to the "Donzi poker run" I witnessed this year from the WAM sandbar.. Bow to stern 60 plus miles an hour... Stupid is as stupid does!!
I'll bet your line of sight, broadside when they went by you giving you a poor perspective on what you "think" you saw. I'll bet the boats were actually Staggered. I'll also bet they were doing Exactly 45 MPH. These events usually have an MP escort don't they..? If the Donzis were doing 60..I wonder if the MP could keep up.. NB

BTW: What's a "FOOL" doing, calling someone else Stupid..?
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I want going to chime in.... BUT there are a few things here that need to be clarified....

I was a participant in the Donzi Poker Run...

We did not exceed the speed limit... there was a Pace Boat that never went over 45-47 MPH GPS during the Poker Run

We did not violate the 150' Rule

We pulled an event permit with the MP... They knew the start time and place, the route, the stops and the estimated end time and place.

Its a Lake... there is NO PLACE to run!

I get that certain folks have a distinct disdain for Hi-Performance boats and thier owners. I say too bad for them... I have met a bunch of great people I can call FRIENDS who own and operate these types of boats!

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We were on the water that day, cruising back, between the Witches headed to Eagle Island alongside Governor's Island. At the same time, a 25' Donzi passed on my left, and a 35 to 38 footer passed on my right. I won't claim that they were both within 50' of me, but I am certain that they were both significantly less that 100' on either side of me. I doubt either captain was aware of the 45MPH speed limit. It scared the bejezus out of me and my passengers. I hope this was an isolated incident, they certainly seemed to be racing each other with little regard for other boaters.
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Ahhhhhhhhaaaaa you guys are killing me here.. Rolling on the floor laughing so hard I peed my pants!

This was not my first day on the lake.. I would post some comments from others that were at the sand bar that day and witnessed the same thing I did but it may includes few "F" bombs.... I have no problem with speed.. If I had a 38 foot boat with twin supercharged screws I'd be hammer down too!!!It's ok don't get your panties all twisted in a bunch, life goes on! Just stating clearly what I and everyone saw.if that was 47 mph "on GPS" ( cause we all know that's accurate)!! Then 47 must be the new 70! Whatever!!
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...returning to the subject...


First, this is a"photoshoot", but nobody is smiling for the camera.

But this proceeded badly anyway: to the right in the frame, an over-sized boat has made a big wake that is "curving to the inside" of the 38 Fountain. (The steepest—and most "impact-worthy" type of wake).



Another clue is that the Captain was working the throttles to "get-air" over each wave. Some viewers have characterized this as "showing off".

He's in trouble here—notice the horizon. ...and this is a photoshoot, where smiles were already absent!



He "got air" twice, then the boat landed badly—on its side—producing this:



In the final frame, as the 38-Fountain's bow gets a "stuff", the camera records the Fountain's wake—which indicates a very high speed even after the landing—and everyone aboard is thrown forward.

Lastly, the passenger to the right is thrown forward against the two other victims—increasing their injuries—but unintentionally lessening her own injuries.

As for "sitting down", many passengers don't like the jarring and hammering movements of a boat affecting their spine. ...Jet-Skis in rough water, especially...

As it was, two aboard were reported with skull fractures (of the orbit—the outer ridge of the eye socket).
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First, this is a"photoshoot", but nobody is smiling for the camera.

But this proceeded badly anyway: to the right in the frame, an over-sized boat has made a big wake that is "curving to the inside" of the 38 Fountain. (The steepest—and most "impact-worthy" type of wake).



Another clue is that the Captain was working the throttles to "get-air" over each wave. Some viewers have characterized this as "showing off".

He's in trouble here—notice the horizon. ...and this is a photoshoot, where smiles were already absent!



He "got air" twice, then the boat landed badly—on its side—producing this:



In the final frame, as the 38-Fountain's bow gets a "stuff", the camera records the Fountain's wake—which indicates a very high speed even after the landing—and everyone aboard is thrown forward.

Lastly, the passenger to the right is thrown forward against the two other victims—increasing their injuries—but unintentionally lessening her own injuries.

As for "sitting down", many passengers don't like the jarring and hammering movements of a boat affecting their spine. ...Jet-Skis in rough water, especially...

As it was, two aboard were reported with skull fractures (of the orbit—the outer ridge of the eye socket).

He is working the throttles to make sure he doesn't over rev and blow up his $100,000 motor, he's not showing off. Don't you do the same thing in your sail boat.
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Makes you realize why there are kill switches on boats. Very sobering, to say the least.
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1. I don't believe the 38 Fountain was any where over 70 judging from the 'rooster tail' in the film. The Fountain is a driver's boat. The stepped version is not very forgiven and the driver has to be on his toes every second. A rogue wave is all it takes to cause a violent shake up. I had it happen to me in a 13' Boston Whaler!

2. I was an active participant in all poker runs on the lake. I have yet to see a pace boat go over 45, maybe a couple of mph over but that's it. Paticipants don't want any bad marks on poker run envents and I don't expect to see one. There are folks that will do anything to get performance boats of the lake. I have been stopped numerous times by the MP because someone reported me going 100 mph. The beauty of my GPS is that it recorded top speed and in most cases average 35 mph. This evident is enough to point the finger the other way.

I always drive tethered to the kill switch. If I am to drive at speed I always don a jacket and I insist my passengers do as well.
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I just came across this frightening video that again demonstrates the value of life jackets and kill switches. Start at 1:20 in:

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I was just watching that video of the bonehead in the bassboat a few days ago.Just watching his boat walking around on the calm straight runs you could tell he was going to get himself in trouble.
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I believe that Bassboat video surfaced here a few years ago: it's also possible that YouTube "led" me there.

The version I saw had the Bassboat Captain stretched out—face down—on the rescue boat's engine cover.

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...The footage, filmed by LakeTV from the front of the boat, shows a Fountain powerboat — and its passengers — violently slamming from side to side after hitting the wake left by another boat. The group attempts to hold on to the boat for stability but ultimately get tossed around like rag dolls...
'Not wanting to join the "overserved" crowd, but technically, doesn't "the wake left by another boat" bear some partial liability for the chaos and injuries on board this Fountain?
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I believe that Bassboat video surfaced here a few years ago: it's also possible that YouTube "led" me there.

The version I saw had the Bassboat Captain stretched out—face down—on the rescue boat's engine cover.


'Not wanting to join the "overserved" crowd, but technically, doesn't "the wake left by another boat" bear some partial liability for the chaos and injuries on board this Fountain?
In this day & age some bottom feeding lawyer would probably make the whole wake theory stick, but then wouldn't the wind turbulence behind a big rig be the responsibility of the truck driver/owner? Have there not been instances where a trucks passing has tossed bicyclists or even motorcycles off the road?
Some will say (good luck proving it) that you are responsible for damage caused by your wake, but how do you prove it was in fact your wake and not the wake from your boat coupled with all kinds of other factors. Wind, other wakes etc. Maybe this is why we have never seen anything like this in court.
Although this summer while working in Longbay I did witness on two occasions boats pulling tubes circling round and round directly in front to a mooring field. Mid week, empty lake and they pick that spot to throw up huge wakes.
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I've used this Fountain video as a teaching tool for my sons.

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Old 10-06-2012, 06:44 PM   #33
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Alright, I posted this video not to bash any one type of boat or its owners. It was presented to the forum members to show an up front video of what can happen when something goes bad in a boat under power if the occupants are not seated or secured in the boat using the equipment provided by the manufacturer.
Take your bickering to another forum where the rest of us don't have to read it.
This type of incident can happen in a sail boat, johnboat, boston whaler, classic, antique, Donzi, Scarab, you name it. It wasn't posted to bash those of us who like to open "er up on accasion or anybody participating in poker runs.
If you are the operator of that any vessel, you are responsible for your passengers, that is it.
So, as a firefighter myself, I have to agree with my distant brother from paugus bay and say that this video is an excellent tool for all of us to learn from. Sadly, as most of these tools are at the expense of someone elses safety and health. With that I wish them a full recovery from their injuries.
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Some regarded the original video as one of the following:

1) "Oh, Wow"

2) "The Injured are in My Thoughts"

3) "Bleep Happens"

4) "You Need to be Seated at all Times"

5) "It Wasn't That Fast"

Others may have seen it as...

6) "The boat operator is always responsible for the vessel, passengers and crew".
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