Incident on ice runway

Little Bear · 02-19-2017, 03:04 PM

http://www.nh1.com/news/crews-on-sce...on-ice-runway/

Slickcraft · 02-19-2017, 03:30 PM

Thanks for the link to the story. We got there well after the fact and no one we saw knew what had happened. It looked like the cockpit was not crushed so we had hoped for good news on the occupants. Glad the injuries were minor. It was windy and there was a lot of surface water on the runway.

ITD · 02-19-2017, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Slickcraft

Thanks for the link to the story. We got there well after the fact and no one we saw knew what had happened. It looked like the cockpit was not crushed so we had hoped for good news on the occupants. Glad the injuries were minor. It was windy and there was a lot of surface water on the runway.

Nice pic Slickcraft, would it be ok if I copied it and posted to some other forums?

Slickcraft · 02-19-2017, 04:16 PM

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Nice pic Slickcraft, would it be ok if I copied it and posted to some other forums?

Go for it

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ITD · 02-19-2017, 04:19 PM

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Go for it

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Thank you.

Slickcraft · 02-19-2017, 04:21 PM

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Acrossamerica · 02-19-2017, 04:35 PM

55 degrees temp this afternoon. You have got to love the crazies who think the ice never melts and go out for the carnival. So far only one truck and one plane. Certifiable in my opinion.

Not to Worry · 02-19-2017, 06:34 PM

Looks like the ice is supporting the plane just fine! No need to question the pilot other than his error of getting to close to the edge of snow.

ITD · 02-19-2017, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Not to Worry

Looks like the ice is supporting the plane just fine! No need to question the pilot other than his error of getting to close to the edge of snow.

My understanding of that particular plane is that you steer it on the ground using the brakes until you are going fast enough for the rudder to be effective. Wet ice = no traction so that was probably his problem. In fact another pilot had said that he had tried once and ended up in the snow so he went back, removed the fairings on this wheels and tried again to this result. It's unfortunate as this was a costly mistake for the pilot. Fortunately it sounds like no one was seriously hurt and metal can be fixed.

ITD · 02-19-2017, 07:39 PM

Here is a video from the Alton event. The airplane incident was recorded about 2 minutes in.

https://youtu.be/sCMXrnQeLXM

Rich · 02-20-2017, 10:20 AM

I was there and saw this happen. It certainly was a shock!

I was too far away to help, and there was a crowd there helping out. It was nice to see everyone pitch in to raise the tail of the aircraft to free those in the cockpit.

Afterwards I stood on the bank just next to where the plane hit it. I could clearly see the tracks in the ice runway to see the track of the aircraft.

They were going straight down the runway and then at one point there was one obvious left turn off the center of the runway, then it ran straight until it hit the snowbank, and the resultant flip.

My guess (a total guess) is that the P-factor took over here, and perhaps the pilot couldn't or didn't correct for it fast enough? Someone else mentioned steering by brakes until the rudder was effective. Obviously we don't know what happened, but the aircraft took a definite turn towards the snowbank and then straight until hit the soft snow, carried a bit and then flipped. The tracks were quite straight both before the turn and afterwards, there was no wobbling or shifting from side to side to indicate if someone was trying to correct for a slippery steering environment.

Sad to see, but I heard everyone got out safely, and this is most important.

Blue Thunder · 02-21-2017, 06:29 AM

NHDOT posted this morning on Twitter that the runway is closed for the season.

BT

Slickcraft · 02-21-2017, 01:06 PM

Ready for transport today, kind of a sad sight.

ITD · 02-21-2017, 02:12 PM

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Ready for transport today, kind of a sad sight.

This is a home built aircraft. Don't know if the pilot built it or bought it, but if he built it he can repair it and it probably won't be too expensive. The expensive part for him is that the engine will need to be torn down and inspected for damage since there was a prop strike, the prop will also probably need to be replaced, both not cheap prospects. I suspect that airplane will fly again.

Denis D · 02-21-2017, 02:17 PM

It looks to be a very nice aircraft, fortunately there doesn't appear to be much, if any, structural damage. Unfortunately, the prop strike means an expensive engine teardown. If the pilot is the builder, it makes it even more upsetting for him.

Denis D

JADAQ · 02-21-2017, 09:39 PM

What was left out of all the stories I read is that this was his SECOND attempt to take off.. first try he ended up in the snow bank stuck as my son and a few others had to push him back down the runway. Water was the key issue here as it sucked him into the snow bank again.. key factors as to why this happeneded.

mcdude · 02-28-2017, 10:40 AM

Speaking of the Alton Bay Winterfest (????) ...does anyone know who won the bed race?

02-19-2017, 03:04 PM	#1
Little Bear Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 561 Thanks: 105 Thanked 237 Times in 126 Posts	Incident on ice runway http://www.nh1.com/news/crews-on-sce...on-ice-runway/

02-19-2017, 03:30 PM	#2
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and West Alton Posts: 3,216 Thanks: 1,172 Thanked 2,000 Times in 914 Posts	Thanks for the link to the story. We got there well after the fact and no one we saw knew what had happened. It looked like the cockpit was not crushed so we had hoped for good news on the occupants. Glad the injuries were minor. It was windy and there was a lot of surface water on the runway. Attached Images

02-19-2017, 06:34 PM	#8
Not to Worry Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 191 Thanks: 93 Thanked 84 Times in 55 Posts	Thin ice? Looks like the ice is supporting the plane just fine! No need to question the pilot other than his error of getting to close to the edge of snow.

02-20-2017, 10:20 AM	#11
Rich Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Derry / Gilford Posts: 1,219 Thanks: 67 Thanked 341 Times in 231 Posts	I was there and saw this happen. It certainly was a shock! I was too far away to help, and there was a crowd there helping out. It was nice to see everyone pitch in to raise the tail of the aircraft to free those in the cockpit. Afterwards I stood on the bank just next to where the plane hit it. I could clearly see the tracks in the ice runway to see the track of the aircraft. They were going straight down the runway and then at one point there was one obvious left turn off the center of the runway, then it ran straight until it hit the snowbank, and the resultant flip. My guess (a total guess) is that the P-factor took over here, and perhaps the pilot couldn't or didn't correct for it fast enough? Someone else mentioned steering by brakes until the rudder was effective. Obviously we don't know what happened, but the aircraft took a definite turn towards the snowbank and then straight until hit the soft snow, carried a bit and then flipped. The tracks were quite straight both before the turn and afterwards, there was no wobbling or shifting from side to side to indicate if someone was trying to correct for a slippery steering environment. Sad to see, but I heard everyone got out safely, and this is most important. __________________ Don't listen to me, obviously I don't understand what I'm talking about! Let's help each other save time and money: WinniGas.com Last edited by Rich; 02-20-2017 at 11:00 AM.

02-21-2017, 06:29 AM	#12
Blue Thunder Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Eastern MA & Frye Island/Sebago Lake, Maine Posts: 935 Thanks: 247 Thanked 323 Times in 148 Posts	Runway is closed... NHDOT posted this morning on Twitter that the runway is closed for the season. BT __________________ " Live for today because yesterday is gone and tomorrow may never come"

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02-19-2017, 04:35 PM	#7
Acrossamerica Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 133 Times in 66 Posts	55 degrees temp this afternoon. You have got to love the crazies who think the ice never melts and go out for the carnival. So far only one truck and one plane. Certifiable in my opinion.

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02-19-2017, 07:39 PM	#10
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,860 Thanks: 461 Thanked 666 Times in 366 Posts	Here is a video from the Alton event. The airplane incident was recorded about 2 minutes in. https://youtu.be/sCMXrnQeLXM

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02-21-2017, 01:06 PM	#13
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02-21-2017, 02:17 PM	#15
Denis D Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 50 Thanks: 5 Thanked 23 Times in 17 Posts	It looks to be a very nice aircraft, fortunately there doesn't appear to be much, if any, structural damage. Unfortunately, the prop strike means an expensive engine teardown. If the pilot is the builder, it makes it even more upsetting for him. Denis D __________________ Denis in NJ

02-21-2017, 09:39 PM	#16
JADAQ Senior Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 198 Thanks: 4 Thanked 66 Times in 43 Posts	What was left out of all the stories I read is that this was his SECOND attempt to take off.. first try he ended up in the snow bank stuck as my son and a few others had to push him back down the runway. Water was the key issue here as it sucked him into the snow bank again.. key factors as to why this happeneded.

02-28-2017, 10:40 AM	#17
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