National Guard Chopper

HUH · 04-02-2013, 04:40 PM

Can anyone tell me why the Blackhawk with the SAR markings is constantly in the air. I see it everywhere all over the state, no matter where I am. I ski, hike , boat etc. pretty often and have lived within a couple miles of Laconia airport for many years.
I recall a discussion a while back about a fee if you need to be rescued (double taxation) imho. Not sure if it is current law but it must get pricey to have that bird aloft almost 24/7.
Im presuming this is a search and rescue rig and can definitely appreciate its role. Im just not sure why my storm windows are rattled once sometimes twice a day from the chop chop touch and goes at LCI. Is this necessary? I moved to the lake to relax

Woodsy · 04-03-2013, 07:55 AM

Huh...

I work in Concord on the approach to the airport. Those Helicopters are based out of the Concord Airport and they belons to the either 238th GSAB (Air Ambulance) or 249th LUG (Air Ambulance). They really dont fly all that much unless they are ramping up training for a deployment.

Woodsy

Onshore · 04-03-2013, 09:34 AM

One of the guys here at DES is with the NH/MI 238th MEDEVAC Unit. They are deploying.

Tired of Waiting · 04-03-2013, 11:25 AM

Why don't you know? It's big brother watching you. The new eye in the sky!!

ToW

PaugusBayFireFighter · 04-03-2013, 12:16 PM

Imagine what you'd be seeing and hearing had Romney got elected. Like him or not, the fact is, had he been elected POTUS, there would be a lot more "activity" in the region.

(not trying to provoke the "I'd take the increased activity instead of the other guy who got elected" debate stuff)

I'm just pointing out that any POTUS who lives on the lake would bring a lot of extra attention to the lake...good or bad.

Rusty · 04-03-2013, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HUH

Can anyone tell me why the Blackhawk with the SAR markings is constantly in the air.

How does it refuel if it's constantly in the air?

upthesaukee · 04-03-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

How does it refuel if it's constantly in the air?

No Problem...

dt5150 · 04-04-2013, 08:24 AM

and for bonus points, can anyone name the 2 parts pictured (on the tanker and receiver) used in this type of refueling?

Winni-Retired · 04-04-2013, 09:55 AM

Probe & Drouge

dt5150 · 04-04-2013, 10:15 AM

we have a winner! probe and drogue, that is correct.

Charlie T · 04-04-2013, 01:54 PM

That looks like a particularly dangerous refueling maneuver. I’ve seen fighters refuel where the fighter was behind and below the tanker. Is it an optical illusion in the photo or is the helicopter beside the tanker fuselage and tail? One good side wind could have significant consequences.

Happy Gourmand · 04-04-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dt5150

and for bonus points, can anyone name the 2 parts pictured (on the tanker and receiver) used in this type of refueling?

That was easy.
What is the pilot's middle name?

HellRaZoR004 · 04-04-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Phantom Gourmand

That was easy.
What is the pilot's middle name?

Which one?

RailroadJoe · 04-04-2013, 03:27 PM

His name is OHBOY

rick35 · 04-04-2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Winni-Retired

Probe & Drouge

I saw this happen over the Broads several years back with two helos and a C-130. While one helo tanked the other flew in formation.

dt5150 · 04-05-2013, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlie T

That looks like a particularly dangerous refueling maneuver. I’ve seen fighters refuel where the fighter was behind and below the tanker. Is it an optical illusion in the photo or is the helicopter beside the tanker fuselage and tail? One good side wind could have significant consequences.

the reason why is because the fighters you saw were being refueled by a different tanker, either a kc-135 or a kc-10. those c-130's like the one in the pic are configured much differently than a kc-135 or a kc-10 tanker. both the 135 and the 10 have the drogue coming off the back of the aircraft (it's attached to the boom on the 135 and on the 10 it comes out of compartment in the fuselage above the boom pod). 135's or 10's can't refuel choppers either. they can't fly slow enough to refuel them, whereas the c-130's can.

Woodsy · 04-05-2013, 08:03 AM

What DT said!

Note the position of the flaps on the KC-130! That plane is traveling at about 115 knots... only about 15 knots or so above stall speed when refueling a helo! Kudos to the pilot for having the balls for doing that!

Woodsy

dt5150 · 04-05-2013, 09:02 AM

yup, that 130 is crawling along.

130's themselves are a pain to refuel because they're so slow. a-10's too, they're slow as hell. often times a toboggan maneuver has to be done so they can keep up with the tanker. a toboggan maneuver is basically just a slow descent so they can pick up enough speed to keep up so they can complete the refueling.

04-02-2013, 04:40 PM	#1
HUH Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 230 Thanks: 21 Thanked 14 Times in 8 Posts	National Guard Chopper Can anyone tell me why the Blackhawk with the SAR markings is constantly in the air. I see it everywhere all over the state, no matter where I am. I ski, hike , boat etc. pretty often and have lived within a couple miles of Laconia airport for many years. I recall a discussion a while back about a fee if you need to be rescued (double taxation) imho. Not sure if it is current law but it must get pricey to have that bird aloft almost 24/7. Im presuming this is a search and rescue rig and can definitely appreciate its role. Im just not sure why my storm windows are rattled once sometimes twice a day from the chop chop touch and goes at LCI. Is this necessary? I moved to the lake to relax

04-03-2013, 07:55 AM	#2
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,949 Thanks: 80 Thanked 969 Times in 432 Posts	Huh... I work in Concord on the approach to the airport. Those Helicopters are based out of the Concord Airport and they belons to the either 238th GSAB (Air Ambulance) or 249th LUG (Air Ambulance). They really dont fly all that much unless they are ramping up training for a deployment. Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

04-03-2013, 11:25 AM	#4
Tired of Waiting Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 519 Thanks: 111 Thanked 259 Times in 107 Posts	Move along, nothing to see here. Why don't you know? It's big brother watching you. The new eye in the sky!! ToW

04-04-2013, 01:54 PM	#11
Charlie T Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 303 Thanks: 248 Thanked 178 Times in 84 Posts	That looks like a tough maneuver. That looks like a particularly dangerous refueling maneuver. I’ve seen fighters refuel where the fighter was behind and below the tanker. Is it an optical illusion in the photo or is the helicopter beside the tanker fuselage and tail? One good side wind could have significant consequences.

04-05-2013, 08:03 AM	#17
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,949 Thanks: 80 Thanked 969 Times in 432 Posts	What DT said! Note the position of the flaps on the KC-130! That plane is traveling at about 115 knots... only about 15 knots or so above stall speed when refueling a helo! Kudos to the pilot for having the balls for doing that! Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

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04-03-2013, 09:34 AM	#3
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 500 Thanks: 12 Thanked 400 Times in 143 Posts	One of the guys here at DES is with the NH/MI 238th MEDEVAC Unit. They are deploying.

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04-03-2013, 12:16 PM	#5
PaugusBayFireFighter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 837 Thanks: 361 Thanked 674 Times in 264 Posts	Imagine what you'd be seeing and hearing had Romney got elected. Like him or not, the fact is, had he been elected POTUS, there would be a lot more "activity" in the region. (not trying to provoke the "I'd take the increased activity instead of the other guy who got elected" debate stuff) I'm just pointing out that any POTUS who lives on the lake would bring a lot of extra attention to the lake...good or bad.

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04-04-2013, 08:24 AM	#8
dt5150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 396 Thanks: 4 Thanked 105 Times in 70 Posts	and for bonus points, can anyone name the 2 parts pictured (on the tanker and receiver) used in this type of refueling?

04-04-2013, 09:55 AM	#9
Winni-Retired Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SE Mass / Lake Posts: 125 Thanks: 93 Thanked 101 Times in 21 Posts	Probe & Drouge

04-04-2013, 10:15 AM	#10
dt5150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 396 Thanks: 4 Thanked 105 Times in 70 Posts	we have a winner! probe and drogue, that is correct.

04-04-2013, 03:27 PM	#14
RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	His name is OHBOY

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04-05-2013, 09:02 AM	#18
dt5150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 396 Thanks: 4 Thanked 105 Times in 70 Posts	yup, that 130 is crawling along. 130's themselves are a pain to refuel because they're so slow. a-10's too, they're slow as hell. often times a toboggan maneuver has to be done so they can keep up with the tanker. a toboggan maneuver is basically just a slow descent so they can pick up enough speed to keep up so they can complete the refueling.