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Old 07-04-2024, 08:42 PM   #1
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Default Fireworks North of Center Harbor?

While at the Center Harbor fireworks show tonight, we saw another display over the trees north of us. It was ridiculous—started at 9 and ended just before Center Harbor's at 9:35.

Moultonborough doesn't put on a show—does anyone know who it was?!

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Old 07-04-2024, 09:59 PM   #2
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The fireworks display in Nineteen Bay tonight was one of a spectacular competing neighbor out doing each other. One neighbor by Red Gate colony out did the other. This display went on for over an hour. It started at 9:00 and continued beyond 10:00. Very professional. The one neighbor in Red Gate has been putting on fireworks for a couple of years now they have been awesome. Seriously their fireworks display would outperform most towns including Wolfeboro which always have great fireworks.

Did anyone see these amazing fireworks display? Check it out next year.
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Old 07-05-2024, 04:19 AM   #3
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The fireworks display in Nineteen Bay tonight was one of a spectacular competing neighbor out doing each other. One neighbor by Red Gate colony out did the other. This display went on for over an hour. It started at 9:00 and continued beyond 10:00. Very professional. The one neighbor in Red Gate has been putting on fireworks for a couple of years now they have been awesome. Seriously their fireworks display would outperform most towns including Wolfeboro which always have great fireworks.

Did anyone see these amazing fireworks display? Check it out next year.
Happy 4th of July!
I know that here it was steady thunder from all directions for quite a while. I never before heard it so constant.

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Old 07-05-2024, 05:37 AM   #4
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NH DES, 2019: Fireworks and New Hampshire Waterbodies; http://www.des.nh.gov/sites/g/files/...0-01/bb-60.pdf

It's a big big lake so the pollution harm from fireworks is probably very minimal, you know. ...... ..... plus fireworks are a very fun and happening event with a long, long history. Everyone all loves to watch fireworks. ....
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Meredith fireworks were spectacular - way beyond expectations. More than made up for last year’s fiasco. They’ve set the bar high.
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We were at the Center Harbor fireworks, great band and show. One thing I never saw was what initially looked like a low dud, actually came down on the water, floated in a giant circle and stayed lit for about a minute, all the boaters loved it, very cool!
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We were at the Center Harbor fireworks, great band and show. One thing I never saw was what initially looked like a low dud, actually came down on the water, floated in a giant circle and stayed lit for about a minute, all the boaters loved it, very cool!
That was pretty cool, for sure!

Did you see the fireworks going off in the north? I'm trying to figure out whose those were—I don't believe they were as far as 19-Mile Bay, but I guess it's possible...

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Did you see the fireworks going off in the north? I'm trying to figure out whose those were—I don't believe they were as far as 19-Mile Bay, but I guess it's possible...
There's an impressive (and often long) private show just east of the Black Cat Island bridge most years, but he usually waits until Center Harbor is over--lighting up the bay as returning boats pass below the sparks.

However, if you were in Center Harbor Bay, those would have been slightly to your south (as 19 Mile Bay would have been). Looking north... maybe a private show over by Squam or Sandwich?
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Meredith fireworks were spectacular - way beyond expectations. More than made up for last year’s fiasco. They’ve set the bar high.
After the recent tax increase, I would have expected no less.
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That was pretty cool, for sure!

Did you see the fireworks going off in the north? I'm trying to figure out whose those were—I don't believe they were as far as 19-Mile Bay, but I guess it's possible...

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We were parked down by last markers on the right and heard those fireworks also behind us. I thought it must of been Blackeys Cove. (Not the guy that crashed his boat into a dock last year and had a getaway boat on speed dial). Sounded like a professional show and lots of $$
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After the recent tax increase, I would have expected no less.
That tax increase went to the town workers towards their insurance coverage, next year will increase for the fireworks
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That must be a lot of insurance... Between an increased tax rate AND the reevaluation of waterfront land (nothing to do with the homes themselves but the lots/land) - some effective tax rates went up over 15%. In one year! Sort of ridiculous as I understand Y-O-Y increases but there should be an % cap each year.

With that type of tax pressure for what some use for only a few summer months > I suspect we will continue to see older family camps sold off - knocked down and larger homes costing in the millions continue. Sort of a rough cycle.
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That must be a lot of insurance... Between an increased tax rate AND the reevaluation of waterfront land (nothing to do with the homes themselves but the lots/land) - some effective tax rates went up over 15%. In one year! Sort of ridiculous as I understand Y-O-Y increases but there should be an % cap each year.

With that type of tax pressure for what some use for only a few summer months > I suspect we will continue to see older family camps sold off - knocked down and larger homes costing in the millions continue. Sort of a rough cycle.
I don't have enough info to opine on local spending, and I do not like conversions to McMansions. But if someone's tax bill is up over 15% it's because waterfront values are up relative in others, and they've made a boatload on their investment.

The pressure to sell in these cases works two ways. As you note, taxes can be a shock. But also, the camp is now a huge financial asset, enough to make a big difference in many owners' retirement lifestyles

It would be interesting to know what has happened to median and lower end tax bills
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I don't have enough info to opine on local spending, and I do not like conversions to McMansions. But if someone's tax bill is up over 15% it's because waterfront values are up relative in others, and they've made a boatload on their investment.

The pressure to sell in these cases works two ways. As you note, taxes can be a shock. But also, the camp is now a huge financial asset, enough to make a big difference in many owners' retirement lifestyles

It would be interesting to know what has happened to median and lower end tax bills
Valid point > if your situation is such that you retire and sell the "lake home" and cash in to provide for a comfortable runway > the timing is great right now. However, most camps that I know of have been handed down from generation to generation (no cash out) and it is those that will most likely get pushed to sell by the family members - thus breaking the chain and in all likelihood finding the home demolished to make room for something newer. The circle of life I suppose...
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The person(s) buying the property will have to pay for the property, pay for the demo, pay for the new construction, and pay even higher property taxes.
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The person(s) buying the property will have to pay for the property, pay for the demo, pay for the new construction, and pay even higher property taxes.
Yup - and the multi - millionaires that can afford that > move in and the non $$$ people get moved out. Sort of a mutant gentrification of the area - at least on the waterfront. Eventually it will find its way to the islands - only a matter of time with a fixed inventory of water front property. I suppose the nature of things although I cannot help but think that Covid sort of accelerated the whole thing. I seem to recall it happening many years ago on the Intercostal in Florida.
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As many have said “they aren’t making anymore waterfront property”. Grab it if you can. The property tax issue is a different conversation. Believe, someone will have to stand up and say enough.


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The last Meredith Property Valuation showed single family homes up 18.71% on average. That was only slightly less than the waterfront at 19.16%
Of that number the Winni Islands at 23.11% and Winnisquam at 19.94 were the only categories of waterfront higher than the single family home valuation increase.

Multi-family went up 21.54%, so only the islands carried more... and manufactured homes in parks went up 29% and was the highest category.

Most of the property tax is going either directly or indirectly to the labor costs... and demand doesn't seem to be slowing as much in our area as other parts of the country. It would take a really bad economy to make slack in the labor pool.
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Valid point > if your situation is such that you retire and sell the "lake home" and cash in to provide for a comfortable runway > the timing is great right now. However, most camps that I know of have been handed down from generation to generation (no cash out) and it is those that will most likely get pushed to sell by the family members - thus breaking the chain and in all likelihood finding the home demolished to make room for something newer. The circle of life I suppose...
There are as many options as there are camps. In the case of islands, it isn't just the camp, but incentives to own mainland access, perhaps another $150K, and $$ for boats, but a guarantee of access at a fixed price. What I see is new ownership by 2-3 generations replacing what started out as one couple in say, 1960. Watching other places get sold, many are in trusts that prevent one child forcing a sale, and many have endowments, so the future generations don't have to fight over who pays what share of taxes and maintenance. Nobody advertises the terms of their trust or the endowment, so everybody else just posts speculation on the internet.
Is there more speculation on the internet than there is in Bitcoin? Nah. Internet speculation without basis is way ahead.
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