casino gambling

boathousegirl · 01-13-2007, 12:59 PM

Hi everyone,
Has there been any discussion about building a casino in New Hampshire and what does everyone think about that??

This'nThat · 01-13-2007, 03:05 PM

How could anyone even think about that? Haven't you seen the forum discussions on the evil property taxes that threaten to doom everyone and transform the lake forever? A casino would be the last straw -- sucking the last dime from our pockets.
/sarcasm off

phoenix · 01-13-2007, 03:12 PM

with budget shortfalls and governor committed to no broad based tax i bet this is the way the legislature solves the problem. Remember that NH was the first state to have a lottery in the nation

ghfromaltonbay · 01-13-2007, 03:12 PM

Just ask all the New Jerseyites how great Atlantic City has been for us -- NOT! The casinos were supposed to take care of education, seniors' medical prescriptions, and reduce property taxes. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation. Since the casinos went in during the 1970's our sales tax has risen from 3% to 6% and in 2006 to 7%. Our local property taxes have gone up 7% each year for the past few years as just reported in the newspaper. All Atlantic City has done is raise the crime level and given the casino owners and the SOPRANOS bigger bankrolls.

I recently read an article about the strain put on local police and other services in the CT towns near Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun. NO THANKS!

boathousegirl · 01-13-2007, 03:39 PM

Why would a casino be the last straw? Wouldn't that help alleviate the horrific taxes? I'm not clear on the angry response.

Cal · 01-13-2007, 05:06 PM

Like GH said , in Jersey they had big plans for the casinos. All it did was line the politicians pockets. We , the little people saw squat

It did improve the appearence of AC a bit. It was getting pretty shabby looking

boathousegirl · 01-13-2007, 05:25 PM

what is ac??

phoenix · 01-13-2007, 06:26 PM

Atlantic City- by the way the other idea being floated in the legislature would be to put an additional tax on out of state second home owners even New Jersey doesn't do that

boathousegirl · 01-13-2007, 06:47 PM

Look people,
I paid $23,000 this year in real estate taxes, and remember I love it here. I think a casino would attract people from Massachusetts, Vermont, Rhode Island and Maine. Whar's wrong with that?

Steveo · 01-13-2007, 07:51 PM

You paid $23,000 in taxes ...damn ...you have a hell of a place...good for you...The problem is..?

Pineedles · 01-13-2007, 07:58 PM

I remember the promises of casinos in NJ which were not fulfilled when I lived there. I saw the problems with the Pequot tribe and the Mohegans have caused with the surrounding towns now that I live in CT. However, as an out of stater and hearing multiple responses to OUR cries of "it's unfair, and the responses of residents "Well, move up here then"!, I say BRING IT ON! Let's have casinos in NH! Let's reduce taxes in NH, with casino money.

However, on second thought maybe it wouldn't be a good idea. The Mass people will go to NH instead of CT, and we'll lose the tax money in CT. NO CASINOS in NH! How's that for a conversation with myself folks?

Irish mist · 01-13-2007, 08:29 PM

Casinos bring good, and I'm afraid bad results to any area that they operate in. I would NOT like to see casions spread all over NH. On central location like Rockingham Park in Salem would make some sense. Bus in all the Mass people......and bus them right back out

Seriouslly, one major complex in place of Rockingham Park with a full service resort casino offering a hotel, concert hall, and some up-scale shopping and eating establishments would go a long way in bringing millions of tax dollars to NH why keeping casino gambling contained in one area.
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Waterbaby · 01-13-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by boathousegirl

Hi everyone,
Has there been any discussion about building a casino in New Hampshire and what does everyone think about that??

Personally, I think you were bored and wanted to get a dissentious conversation going.......... and I'd love to see the property you have that has $23K of property taxes, must be quite the place! Have you thought of allowing public tours of just part of the property, on certain days and only certain hours? You know, like the people who used to privately own the (real, not Mc) Mansions in Newport, RI and in the South, and those in England with those large, drafty castles? They began doing that to take in some money to help with the costs of upkeep and taxes....... Just a thought. Certainly a lot better than attracting the (majority of) people that casinos would invite!

carguy · 01-14-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pineedles

I remember the promises of casinos in NJ which were not fulfilled when I lived there. I saw the problems with the Pequot tribe and the Mohegans have caused with the surrounding towns now that I live in CT. However, as an out of stater and hearing multiple responses to OUR cries of "it's unfair, and the responses of residents "Well, move up here then"!, I say BRING IT ON! Let's have casinos in NH! Let's reduce taxes in NH, with casino money.

However, on second thought maybe it wouldn't be a good idea. The Mass people will go to NH instead of CT, and we'll lose the tax money in CT. NO CASINOS in NH! How's that for a conversation with myself folks?

I work at Mohegan Sun. We do not want any Casinos in NH, that would take away some of our business. Foxwoods and Mohegan employ in excess of 20,000 workers. That alone helps stimulate the economy in Eastern Connecticut where I live.

fatlazyless · 01-14-2007, 06:46 AM

Way up in northern New Hampshire, north of the notches, towns like Lancaster, Bretton Woods, and Dixville Notch would be good spots for casinos.

A Las Vegas stylized 'Old Man of the Mountain' could become the new welcome sign for the north country casinos. Just picture an 'Old Man' replica placed back on its' original spot, high up on Cannon cliff, that has a very powerfull light-show and sound-show which powers sound and lights up and down the 1000' granite sides of Franconia Notch. Cannon, Kinsman, LaFayette, Lincoln, Little Haystack, and Flume mountains would all become a five-mile long, two-sided, natural ampitheatre for the nightly Old Man extravaganza of sound & light.

The 'Old Man' icon is already seen on highway signs and license plates, state wide, so why not let the 'Old Man' herald the state sponsored casinos, too. It (he) could become a terrific casino pitchman for the north country.

ApS · 01-14-2007, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ghfromaltonbay

Just ask all the New Jerseyites how great Atlantic City has been for us -- NOT! The casinos were supposed to take care of education, seniors' medical prescriptions, and reduce property taxes. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation. Since the casinos went in during the 1970's our sales tax has risen from 3% to 6% and in 2006 to 7%. Our local property taxes have gone up 7% each year for the past few years as just reported in the newspaper. All Atlantic City has done is raise the crime level and given the casino owners and the SOPRANOS bigger bankrolls.

I recently read an article about the strain put on local police and other services in the CT towns near Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun. NO THANKS!

Please tell us what you really think: don't hold back.

Since my only addiction is to caffeine, I really don't have a dog in this fight.

However, when this was discussed on the NH airwaves after the 2004 election, opponents stated that the social costs amounted to three times the benefit of increased state revenues. The "benefits" New Jersey is experiencing bears this out.

New Hampshire could take a page from other coastal states and regulate offshore gambling, in which cruise ships depart for three miles offshore in order to gamble.

(And it's day or night—there's scant view at three miles anyway).

This'nThat · 01-14-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by boathousegirl

Look people,
I paid $23,000 this year in real estate taxes

How much of this was reduced by the NH lottery? Remember when the lottery was introduced as a way to reduce taxes? Good thing, eh? Now we have the potential for a lot more reduction by way of casinos?

The best way to reduce taxes is to reduce government, welfare, givaways, and so on. More money in the hands of government always makes the government spend more. And when the spending starts, it never, ever stops.

gravy boat · 01-14-2007, 08:52 AM

Growing up in NJ, my father worked at Bally's for years. He started there when it was first built and he insisted that casinos were a great idea for all of the reasons many of you are bringing up. HOWEVER, it didn't take long for the many negatives to become apparent -- ever increasing violent and other crime, prostitution, drugs -- and where there is an opportunity to make a lot of money, Goodfellas are usually present. It didn't long before Dad would come home and the stories were about the robberies, prostitutes, suicides, scam artists, pending strikes, etc.

Casinos were supposed to bring prosperity to the local economy, create respectable jobs, bring prosperity and wealth to the surrounding towns, lead to high-end residential and commercial development for miles and miles. Unfortunately, we saw the rise of seedy motels, watched AC and many surrounding towns decline, and watched drugs, crime and prostitution grow.

I moved to NH because I want to live in NH and I accept it as it is. I did not move up here and want to change it into another state or expect the same amenities I left behind -- I would have stayed in NJ if I wanted all that came with it.

The CT casinos are close enough. Just a quick ride and whoever wants to gamble can quickly get there.

Taxes are high in NH -- but don't be fooled into thinking that casinos will do anything to alleviate them.

fatlazyless · 01-14-2007, 09:25 AM

New Hampsire stands for no sales, no income, and no short or long term capital gains taxes, now and forever!

New Hampshire has their state run liquor stores that are the only place to buy wine and hard liquor. New Hampshire has its' lottery and scratch tickets. New Hampshire has its' tax on cigarettes. New Hampshire's individual towns have their local property taxes which also pay for the county and the 'state school' tax.

People's incomes are just not keeping up with their property taxes!

So, either cut local spending as well as county and 'state' school tax or increase the local property tax revenue flow!

Hey, how do you like that 'Old Man of the Mountain' light & sound icon - casino pitchman advertising scheme. Is this a terrific idea or what!

Considering that this is the Martin Luther King three day holiday weekend, consider this. In 1964 or so, MLK said in his famous Selma Alabama speech "...from the prodigeous mountain tops of New Hampshire, let freedom ring! " Just imagine, the Old Man pitchman in television NH casino ads that could say "...from the prodigeous mountain tops of New Hampshire, let the people play the slots!"

Would this become a terrific state or what?

hockeypuck · 01-14-2007, 09:32 AM

I live in CT and we have two, yes they did come to the employment rescue when electric boat had massive layoffs and yes they do contribute millions to the general revenue fund(we spend it), but we still have the highest taxes in the country. We tax everything from before birth to after death.Income tax, sales tax sewer tax, property tax,auto tax, fire tax,gas tax, .... The local towns and business surrounding the casinos thought they would prosper, but the casinos are like disney world. They keep the spenders on their property and people have no reason to shop, stay, or spend money off the property. Picture the Mount Washington as a floating casino, how nice.

fatlazyless · 01-14-2007, 09:50 AM

It would most certainly be a much busier and more successfull business than it is now as a sight-seeing and dinner-dance cruise. Operating as a casino on the water, it would not be so dependant on the weather, plus it could be a good fit with the Weirs Beach arcades, boardwalk, and motorcycle week patrons.

If the Mount Washington were such a good business in its' current venue then why was it just very recently sold to a new owner? All the rainy days which we had from May 15 to August 15 2006 would probably not do too much to dampen a casino cruise.

carguy · 01-14-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

It would most certainly be a much busier and more successfull business than it is now as a sight-seeing and dinner-dance cruise. Operating as a casino on the water, it would not be so dependant on the weather, plus it could be a good fit with the Weirs Beach arcades, boardwalk, and motorcycle week patrons.

If the Mount Washington were such a good business in its' current venue then why was it just very recently sold to a new owner? All the rainy days which we had from May 15 to August 15 2006 would probably not do too much to dampen a casino cruise.

I was unaware that the Mount Washington was recently sold. Who is (are) the new owner(s)?

jlrm73 · 01-14-2007, 03:54 PM

Here is the article from 1/12...

http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll...73269056976891

boathousegirl · 01-14-2007, 09:21 PM

my $23,000 in real estate taxes is on neither squam nor winnipesaukee. It's on winnisquam where I get neither trash pickup year round nor snow plowed. It's not a mansion and think about how much I have to earn in MA to pay $23,000, I started this thread to see if there had been discussion about revenues other that real estate taxes. For those of you who think I started this because I'm bored and am looking to start an argument...think again. I'm trying to figure out how to keep my house whilch has always been my dream.. My parents left me nothing but their debt.

fatlazyless · 01-15-2007, 03:01 AM

Yes, I too have been victimized by the NH Republican Advantage property tax system. The reason why the system had worked for years and years is because property taxes used to be fairly low but not any more.

$23000. is a lot of taxes, more than double what I pay for my Winni waterfront, but each NH state employee with a family can get a health insurance policy with no co-pay/no deductible that costs $22500./year. There was a Charlie Arlinghaus-Union Leader editorial, a couple days ago, on this.

SIKSUKR · 01-15-2007, 09:23 AM

You think your taxes were high with a republican run state Les?Carefull what you wish for.We still have one of the lowest tax burdens anywhere.I know your an intellegent person by reading your posts over the years.Do you really believe your going to get tax relief from a Democratic run state?Can you say Taxachussetts?I'm sure you understand about tax and spend liberalism.Let's see what the tax burden turns into in the next 4 years.Will NH soon be known as New Taxshire?I hope the heck not!!Be very carefull what you wish for.

Sal · 01-15-2007, 09:52 AM

A state OWNED and state OPERATED casino would be a boon to New Hampshire. If it were located at the Rockingham Racetrack location (just barely across the state line), Route 93 from Boston to the state line would be a pipeline funneling so much cash into NH that the state might have to pay each citizen a percentage of the profits (like Alaska does with oil money).
The (so called) indians who own foxwoods are netting 1 BILLION bucks a year.

boathousegirl · 01-15-2007, 10:23 AM

Thank you Sal!

vrrooom · 01-15-2007, 11:03 AM

I would suggest that there are two locations that are prime candidates for Casinos, the first being near the Mass Border off of 93 and the second in Portsmouth just off 95. In the Portsmouth case we could use the old prison as a building to keep the costs down. The Casinos must be run by the state so that there is no funny stuff done with the revenue. All we would need to do is adjust the slots for a higher payout % (oh yes Virginia the payout is computer controlled by the Casino

) and we would be very busy. I would suggest we adopt a policy similar to the ones in European Casinos ie locals are not permitted in the Casino's only visitors

.

The only problem that I see in this initiative is that we already have Casino Gambling in NH. They operate under the guise of charity events, poker, bingo is everywhere and the tracks (what dogs) are nothing more than off track betting parlors. These operations are backed by wealthy investors who are planning on getting slot machine gambling to complete their Casinos. Casino gambling is here, the discussion is really about who will benefit, the current investors or the residents of the state.

Skip · 01-15-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by vrrooom

...I would suggest that there are two locations that are prime canidates for Casinos, the first being near the Mass Border off of 93 and the second in Portsmouth just off 95. In the Portsmouth case we could use the old prison as a building to keep the costs down...

Unfortunately the old prison you speak of is located at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, which is located in the State of Maine.

But maybe your idea could help bring property tax relief to Mainers, especially those living in that general vicinity that continually complain about their high property taxes. Unfortunately the State of Maine utilizing a state income tax, state sales tax and a myriad of fees still relies heavily also on local property taxes to pay for its government infrastructure.

Maybe a casino at the prison could be the turning point for tax relief in the State of Maine?

Or maybe the additional revenue will go to a larger government infrastructure in that same State, as all the preceding taxes and fees have led to?

dpg · 01-15-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sal

The (so called) indians who own foxwoods are netting 1 BILLION bucks a year.

Foxwoods has been sold, I've been told a few years back.

RI Swamp Yankee · 01-15-2007, 01:07 PM

Foxwoods is still owned by the Mashantucket Pequot Tribal Nation. Members do not get a handout from the "earnings", they have to be employed at the casino. If you can push a broom the starting pay is over $50,000 for tribal members.

When you see all the glitz and glitter at a casino, remember it was paid for by people "donating" their extra money...... well, sometimes the rent money the landloard didn't get, the food money the local store didn't get, the utility money the gas and electric company didn't get, etc., etc.

I worked there, saw it. Sad.

vrrooom · 01-15-2007, 02:04 PM

I would agree that the casinos in NJ and RI are patronized by people who rarely can afford to gamble. That is why European Casinos will not let any locals inside, they are strictly for visitors/tourists. I attend the Casino Operators convention in Vegas frequently as a supplier, and the financial seminars which reveal the details of casino's profitability and operating costs are astounding. It is all about getting people in the door, and getting their money thru one of the games. As I and others indicated NH operated Casino's would generate massive amounts of revenue for the state. We could fund all of NH education with two strategically placed Casino's.

gtxrider · 01-15-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by vrrooom

I would agree that the casinos in NJ and RI are patronized by people who rarely can afford to gamble. That is why European Casinos will not let any locals inside, they are strictly for visitors/tourists. I attend the Casino Operators convention in Vegas frequently as a supplier, and the financial seminars which reveal the details of casino's profitability and operating costs are astounding. It is all about getting people in the door, and getting their money thru one of the games. As I and others indicated NH operated Casino's would generate massive amounts of revenue for the state. We could fund all of NH education with two strategically placed Casino's.

Don't count on it! The only ones who seem to make money are the casino owners and certain public officials. The money does not seems to get to where it is intended.

The Worm · 01-15-2007, 02:17 PM

All the state would have to do (NH, or MA) is to announce that they are setting aside a predetermined percentage of the gaming revenues for entitlement programs and public education and all the cry baby liberal whinies would jump on board so fast it would make your head spin.

-Worm

Mr. V · 01-15-2007, 03:54 PM

Casinos in RI?

Don't you mean Connecticutt?

The only thing in Rhode Island is Family Guy.

carguy · 01-15-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dpg

Foxwoods has been sold, I've been told a few years back.

I live six miles from both Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun. I work at Mohegan Sun. Foxwoods has not been sold. They are in partnership with MGM Grand in the construction of their newest hotel and casino in Ledyard, CT.

Mohegan Sun recently purchased Pocono Downs Racetrack in Pennsylvania where they have about 1500 slot machines in operation with more to come very soon.

Mohegan Sun announced this past November their Project Horizon which will begin construction in the Summer of 2007 and be completed by 2010. That will include another 1200 room hotel and casino.

Mohegan Sun makes more money than Foxwoods even though we are the second largest casino in the world after Foxwoods. Mohegan Sun is better managed than Foxwoods, so they have a higher profit margin than foxwoods.

Also the general opinion of the local people here in Eastern Connecticut is that they prefer to go to Mohegan Sun over Foxwoods. Mohegan Sun is known to have better hospitality and be a more friendly environment than Foxwoods. I hear this all the time from our customers when I talk to them on the phone.

http://www.mohegansun.com/projecthorizon/

We have not had any increase in crime here in Eastern Connecticut due to the casinos being located in this area. New jersey might have had that problem, but our Indian casinos here in Connecticut do not have any ties with oranized crime.

Both Connecticut Casinos contribute 25% of their gross slot machine take to the coffers of the State of Connecticut, that our Democratic State Legislators deems necessary to squander.

Between Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun they employ in excess of 20,000 workers. Many of the jobs are low paying close to the minimum wage paying positions with great benefits. Both casinos employ large amounts of minority workers in order to fill all their job requirements. Our local newspaper, the Norwich Bulletin stated the other day that Mohegan Sun employs more than 2000 Asian workers. Our local schools now have to have special English Teaching classes for their children. This has caused school budgets to increase along with taxes in the communities near the two Indian Casinos.

If it were not for Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun, our local economy here in Southeastern Connecticut would be in shambles, since the companies associated with the defense industry had a major slowdown here in Connecticut.

Again, I hope that New Hampshire elects not to add casino gambling to it's entertainment venues. I want all you New Hampshire, Maine, and Massachusetts residents to continue to visit Mohegan Sun.

Please remember to tip the Limousine Drivers generously.

boathousegirl · 01-15-2007, 07:46 PM

And by the way Waterbaby, are you jealous that I pay so much in taxes. You were very nasty in your comments. If you choose to participate in a healthy discussion of issues, please continue to respond to me. If you choose to be personally insulting, please take out your anger somewhere else. I'm not interested.

Pineedles · 01-15-2007, 09:16 PM

My wife and I stayed at a nearby hotel to the foxwoods casino, can't remember the name, but you were the limo driver who took us to the casino. We couldn't afford the casino hotel and were too late arriving to have dinner there. You talked to us on the trip to the casino and said YOU would find us a place to have dinner. You walked us into the complex and said something to the guy at the entrance to the high rollers buffet area. This place was amazing! Stone Crab, sushi, lobster tails, caviar, fine wines and drinks, whatever we wanted. You said the only proviso was that if we left the area, we couldn't come back. What a night, fantastic! We didn't dare try to gamble in the HR area but ate our fill while we were amazed at the multi-$$$ thousand dollar bets we saw going on in the pit. Thanks again! I hope you got the tip we left with the front desk the next morning, as you wouldn't accept aything more than the normal amount when you dropped us off the previous night.

BTW, I know you probably weren't the the "guy", but this carguy was amazing!!! Casino Limo drivers ROCK!!!

carguy · 01-16-2007, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pineedles

My wife and I stayed at a nearby hotel to the foxwoods casino, can't remember the name, but you were the limo driver who took us to the casino. We couldn't afford the casino hotel and were too late arriving to have dinner there. You talked to us on the trip to the casino and said YOU would find us a place to have dinner. You walked us into the complex and said something to the guy at the entrance to the high rollers buffet area. This place was amazing! Stone Crab, sushi, lobster tails, caviar, fine wines and drinks, whatever we wanted. You said the only proviso was that if we left the area, we couldn't come back. What a night, fantastic! We didn't dare try to gamble in the HR area but ate our fill while we were amazed at the multi-$$$ thousand dollar bets we saw going on in the pit. Thanks again! I hope you got the tip we left with the front desk the next morning, as you wouldn't accept aything more than the normal amount when you dropped us off the previous night.

BTW, I know you probably weren't the the "guy", but this carguy was amazing!!! Casino Limo drivers ROCK!!!

Pine Needles:

It was not me, but the story is a familiar story. I drive for Mohegan Sun. We have about 40 120" stretch Lincoln Limousines in our fleet, 1/2 dozen Town Car sedans, 3 Hummers, and about a 1/2 dozen multi-passenger Ford Econoline vans. We make many "runs" to the five Boroughs of NYC, Boston, Southern New Hampshire and Maine along with trips to Logan, Bradley, TF Green, LaGuardia, JFK, and Newark Airports.

The majority of our salary comes from tips, so we go out of our way to give our guests first class service. We wear Tuxedos and all of our vehicles are late model state of the art limousines made by Royale Limousine of Haverhill, MA.

In the attached photo, I am the the driver pictured on the right. This photo was taken this past November on the Connecticut shore at Westbrook, CT during a driver training session.

jlrm73 · 01-16-2007, 05:53 AM

Hi Carguy-
I, too, had a limo driver from Mohegan Sun drive a bunch of us to Governor's Island a couple of months ago...he was awesome! Very accommodating and professional. That is so funny that you work for them...small world!

dpg · 01-16-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RI Swamp Yankee

well, sometimes the rent money the landloard didn't get, the food money the local store didn't get, the utility money the gas and electric company didn't get, etc., etc.

I worked there, saw it. Sad.

Well, lets think about it. Is that REALLY the Casino's problem? What about the people that spend too much for scratch tickets every day/week - their out there too. Why doesn't the states stop selling them? Well we're at it lets ban Wine because of the drunks and so on...

Phew, just my .02 - sorry

carguy · 01-16-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jlrm73

Hi Carguy-
I, too, had a limo driver from Mohegan Sun drive a bunch of us to Governor's Island a couple of months ago...he was awesome! Very accommodating and professional. That is so funny that you work for them...small world!

Jlrm73:

I was very happy yo hear that you were satisfied with your Mohegan Sun limousine experience. All of our 40 plus drivers are very professional which in fact is due to the Core Values that the Mohegan Tribe stresses to each and every employee. At Mohegan Sun we are committed to:

1. Blowing Away the Customer

2. Bottom Line performance

3. Developing Passionate and Dedicated Employees

4. Continuously Striving for Perfection

Partly due to our adherence to our Core Values, Mohegan Sun has become the Number One Entertainment Venue on the East Coast.

http://www.mohegansun.com/

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01-13-2007, 12:59 PM	#1
boathousegirl Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston and Winnisquam Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	casino gambling Hi everyone, Has there been any discussion about building a casino in New Hampshire and what does everyone think about that??

01-13-2007, 03:12 PM	#3
phoenix Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: phoenix and moultonboro Posts: 1,520 Thanks: 58 Thanked 266 Times in 187 Posts	with budget shortfalls and governor committed to no broad based tax i bet this is the way the legislature solves the problem. Remember that NH was the first state to have a lottery in the nation __________________ it's tough to make predictions specially about the future

01-13-2007, 03:12 PM	#4
ghfromaltonbay Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Clifton, NJ, Alton Bay Posts: 819 Thanks: 245 Thanked 224 Times in 130 Posts	Bad idea Just ask all the New Jerseyites how great Atlantic City has been for us -- NOT! The casinos were supposed to take care of education, seniors' medical prescriptions, and reduce property taxes. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation. Since the casinos went in during the 1970's our sales tax has risen from 3% to 6% and in 2006 to 7%. Our local property taxes have gone up 7% each year for the past few years as just reported in the newspaper. All Atlantic City has done is raise the crime level and given the casino owners and the SOPRANOS bigger bankrolls. I recently read an article about the strain put on local police and other services in the CT towns near Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun. NO THANKS! Last edited by ghfromaltonbay; 01-13-2007 at 04:09 PM.

01-13-2007, 06:26 PM	#8
phoenix Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: phoenix and moultonboro Posts: 1,520 Thanks: 58 Thanked 266 Times in 187 Posts	Atlantic City- by the way the other idea being floated in the legislature would be to put an additional tax on out of state second home owners even New Jersey doesn't do that __________________ it's tough to make predictions specially about the future

01-13-2007, 07:58 PM	#11
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,535 Thanks: 1,059 Thanked 652 Times in 363 Posts	Former NJ resident and now in CT I remember the promises of casinos in NJ which were not fulfilled when I lived there. I saw the problems with the Pequot tribe and the Mohegans have caused with the surrounding towns now that I live in CT. However, as an out of stater and hearing multiple responses to OUR cries of "it's unfair, and the responses of residents "Well, move up here then"!, I say BRING IT ON! Let's have casinos in NH! Let's reduce taxes in NH, with casino money. However, on second thought maybe it wouldn't be a good idea. The Mass people will go to NH instead of CT, and we'll lose the tax money in CT. NO CASINOS in NH! How's that for a conversation with myself folks?

01-13-2007, 03:05 PM	#2
This'nThat Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 534 Thanks: 19 Thanked 134 Times in 61 Posts	How could anyone even think about that? Haven't you seen the forum discussions on the evil property taxes that threaten to doom everyone and transform the lake forever? A casino would be the last straw -- sucking the last dime from our pockets. /sarcasm off

01-13-2007, 03:39 PM	#5
boathousegirl Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston and Winnisquam Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Why would a casino be the last straw? Wouldn't that help alleviate the horrific taxes? I'm not clear on the angry response.

01-13-2007, 05:06 PM	#6
Cal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pitman , NJ Posts: 627 Thanks: 40 Thanked 21 Times in 12 Posts	Like GH said , in Jersey they had big plans for the casinos. All it did was line the politicians pockets. We , the little people saw squat It did improve the appearence of AC a bit. It was getting pretty shabby looking

01-13-2007, 05:25 PM	#7
boathousegirl Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston and Winnisquam Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	what is ac??

01-13-2007, 06:47 PM	#9
boathousegirl Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston and Winnisquam Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Look people, I paid $23,000 this year in real estate taxes, and remember I love it here. I think a casino would attract people from Massachusetts, Vermont, Rhode Island and Maine. Whar's wrong with that?

01-13-2007, 07:51 PM	#10
Steveo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 523 Thanks: 47 Thanked 123 Times in 63 Posts	You paid $23,000 in taxes ...damn ...you have a hell of a place...good for you...The problem is..?

01-13-2007, 08:29 PM	#12
Irish mist Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 682 Thanks: 122 Thanked 85 Times in 49 Posts	Casinos bring good, and I'm afraid bad results to any area that they operate in. I would NOT like to see casions spread all over NH. On central location like Rockingham Park in Salem would make some sense. Bus in all the Mass people......and bus them right back out Seriouslly, one major complex in place of Rockingham Park with a full service resort casino offering a hotel, concert hall, and some up-scale shopping and eating establishments would go a long way in bringing millions of tax dollars to NH why keeping casino gambling contained in one area. ________ BUY VAPORGENIE Last edited by Irish mist; 02-27-2011 at 09:46 PM.

01-14-2007, 06:46 AM	#15
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,527 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 296 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	...way up north Way up in northern New Hampshire, north of the notches, towns like Lancaster, Bretton Woods, and Dixville Notch would be good spots for casinos. A Las Vegas stylized 'Old Man of the Mountain' could become the new welcome sign for the north country casinos. Just picture an 'Old Man' replica placed back on its' original spot, high up on Cannon cliff, that has a very powerfull light-show and sound-show which powers sound and lights up and down the 1000' granite sides of Franconia Notch. Cannon, Kinsman, LaFayette, Lincoln, Little Haystack, and Flume mountains would all become a five-mile long, two-sided, natural ampitheatre for the nightly Old Man extravaganza of sound & light. The 'Old Man' icon is already seen on highway signs and license plates, state wide, so why not let the 'Old Man' herald the state sponsored casinos, too. It (he) could become a terrific casino pitchman for the north country. Last edited by fatlazyless; 01-14-2007 at 06:58 AM. Reason: spelling

01-14-2007, 08:52 AM	#18
gravy boat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Gilford year round, West Alton summers Posts: 582 Thanks: 580 Thanked 194 Times in 99 Posts	Casinos Growing up in NJ, my father worked at Bally's for years. He started there when it was first built and he insisted that casinos were a great idea for all of the reasons many of you are bringing up. HOWEVER, it didn't take long for the many negatives to become apparent -- ever increasing violent and other crime, prostitution, drugs -- and where there is an opportunity to make a lot of money, Goodfellas are usually present. It didn't long before Dad would come home and the stories were about the robberies, prostitutes, suicides, scam artists, pending strikes, etc. Casinos were supposed to bring prosperity to the local economy, create respectable jobs, bring prosperity and wealth to the surrounding towns, lead to high-end residential and commercial development for miles and miles. Unfortunately, we saw the rise of seedy motels, watched AC and many surrounding towns decline, and watched drugs, crime and prostitution grow. I moved to NH because I want to live in NH and I accept it as it is. I did not move up here and want to change it into another state or expect the same amenities I left behind -- I would have stayed in NJ if I wanted all that came with it. The CT casinos are close enough. Just a quick ride and whoever wants to gamble can quickly get there. Taxes are high in NH -- but don't be fooled into thinking that casinos will do anything to alleviate them.

01-14-2007, 09:25 AM	#19
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,527 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 296 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	...no sales, no income, no capital gains taxes! New Hampsire stands for no sales, no income, and no short or long term capital gains taxes, now and forever! New Hampshire has their state run liquor stores that are the only place to buy wine and hard liquor. New Hampshire has its' lottery and scratch tickets. New Hampshire has its' tax on cigarettes. New Hampshire's individual towns have their local property taxes which also pay for the county and the 'state school' tax. People's incomes are just not keeping up with their property taxes! So, either cut local spending as well as county and 'state' school tax or increase the local property tax revenue flow! Hey, how do you like that 'Old Man of the Mountain' light & sound icon - casino pitchman advertising scheme. Is this a terrific idea or what! Considering that this is the Martin Luther King three day holiday weekend, consider this. In 1964 or so, MLK said in his famous Selma Alabama speech "...from the prodigeous mountain tops of New Hampshire, let freedom ring! " Just imagine, the Old Man pitchman in television NH casino ads that could say "...from the prodigeous mountain tops of New Hampshire, let the people play the slots!" Would this become a terrific state or what?

01-14-2007, 09:32 AM	#20
hockeypuck Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Southern CT Posts: 169 Thanks: 19 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Nh Casino I live in CT and we have two, yes they did come to the employment rescue when electric boat had massive layoffs and yes they do contribute millions to the general revenue fund(we spend it), but we still have the highest taxes in the country. We tax everything from before birth to after death.Income tax, sales tax sewer tax, property tax,auto tax, fire tax,gas tax, .... The local towns and business surrounding the casinos thought they would prosper, but the casinos are like disney world. They keep the spenders on their property and people have no reason to shop, stay, or spend money off the property. Picture the Mount Washington as a floating casino, how nice.

01-14-2007, 09:50 AM	#21
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,527 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 296 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	...picture the Mount Washington as a casino! It would most certainly be a much busier and more successfull business than it is now as a sight-seeing and dinner-dance cruise. Operating as a casino on the water, it would not be so dependant on the weather, plus it could be a good fit with the Weirs Beach arcades, boardwalk, and motorcycle week patrons. If the Mount Washington were such a good business in its' current venue then why was it just very recently sold to a new owner? All the rainy days which we had from May 15 to August 15 2006 would probably not do too much to dampen a casino cruise. Last edited by fatlazyless; 01-14-2007 at 09:53 AM. Reason: spelling

01-14-2007, 03:54 PM	#23
jlrm73 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 62 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mt's new owner Here is the article from 1/12... http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll...73269056976891

01-14-2007, 09:21 PM	#24
boathousegirl Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston and Winnisquam Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	my $23,000 in real estate taxes is on neither squam nor winnipesaukee. It's on winnisquam where I get neither trash pickup year round nor snow plowed. It's not a mansion and think about how much I have to earn in MA to pay $23,000, I started this thread to see if there had been discussion about revenues other that real estate taxes. For those of you who think I started this because I'm bored and am looking to start an argument...think again. I'm trying to figure out how to keep my house whilch has always been my dream.. My parents left me nothing but their debt.

01-15-2007, 03:01 AM	#25
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,527 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 296 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	...the NH Advantage? Yes, I too have been victimized by the NH Republican Advantage property tax system. The reason why the system had worked for years and years is because property taxes used to be fairly low but not any more. $23000. is a lot of taxes, more than double what I pay for my Winni waterfront, but each NH state employee with a family can get a health insurance policy with no co-pay/no deductible that costs $22500./year. There was a Charlie Arlinghaus-Union Leader editorial, a couple days ago, on this.

01-15-2007, 09:23 AM	#26
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	You think your taxes were high with a republican run state Les?Carefull what you wish for.We still have one of the lowest tax burdens anywhere.I know your an intellegent person by reading your posts over the years.Do you really believe your going to get tax relief from a Democratic run state?Can you say Taxachussetts?I'm sure you understand about tax and spend liberalism.Let's see what the tax burden turns into in the next 4 years.Will NH soon be known as New Taxshire?I hope the heck not!!Be very carefull what you wish for. __________________ SIKSUKR

01-15-2007, 09:52 AM	#27
Sal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 311 Thanks: 103 Thanked 169 Times in 53 Posts	A state OWNED and state OPERATED casino would be a boon to New Hampshire. If it were located at the Rockingham Racetrack location (just barely across the state line), Route 93 from Boston to the state line would be a pipeline funneling so much cash into NH that the state might have to pay each citizen a percentage of the profits (like Alaska does with oil money). The (so called) indians who own foxwoods are netting 1 BILLION bucks a year.

01-15-2007, 10:23 AM	#28
boathousegirl Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston and Winnisquam Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Sal!

01-15-2007, 11:03 AM	#29
vrrooom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gilford Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lets do it I would suggest that there are two locations that are prime candidates for Casinos, the first being near the Mass Border off of 93 and the second in Portsmouth just off 95. In the Portsmouth case we could use the old prison as a building to keep the costs down. The Casinos must be run by the state so that there is no funny stuff done with the revenue. All we would need to do is adjust the slots for a higher payout % (oh yes Virginia the payout is computer controlled by the Casino ) and we would be very busy. I would suggest we adopt a policy similar to the ones in European Casinos ie locals are not permitted in the Casino's only visitors . The only problem that I see in this initiative is that we already have Casino Gambling in NH. They operate under the guise of charity events, poker, bingo is everywhere and the tracks (what dogs) are nothing more than off track betting parlors. These operations are backed by wealthy investors who are planning on getting slot machine gambling to complete their Casinos. Casino gambling is here, the discussion is really about who will benefit, the current investors or the residents of the state.

01-15-2007, 01:07 PM	#32
RI Swamp Yankee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Kingstown RI Posts: 688 Thanks: 143 Thanked 83 Times in 55 Posts	Foxwoods is still owned by the Mashantucket Pequot Tribal Nation. Members do not get a handout from the "earnings", they have to be employed at the casino. If you can push a broom the starting pay is over $50,000 for tribal members. When you see all the glitz and glitter at a casino, remember it was paid for by people "donating" their extra money...... well, sometimes the rent money the landloard didn't get, the food money the local store didn't get, the utility money the gas and electric company didn't get, etc., etc. I worked there, saw it. Sad. __________________ Gene ~ aka "another RI Swamp Yankee"

01-15-2007, 02:04 PM	#33
vrrooom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gilford Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Casio Gambling I would agree that the casinos in NJ and RI are patronized by people who rarely can afford to gamble. That is why European Casinos will not let any locals inside, they are strictly for visitors/tourists. I attend the Casino Operators convention in Vegas frequently as a supplier, and the financial seminars which reveal the details of casino's profitability and operating costs are astounding. It is all about getting people in the door, and getting their money thru one of the games. As I and others indicated NH operated Casino's would generate massive amounts of revenue for the state. We could fund all of NH education with two strategically placed Casino's.

01-15-2007, 02:17 PM	#35
The Worm Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 41 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Casino Gambling All the state would have to do (NH, or MA) is to announce that they are setting aside a predetermined percentage of the gaming revenues for entitlement programs and public education and all the cry baby liberal whinies would jump on board so fast it would make your head spin. -Worm

01-15-2007, 03:54 PM	#36
Mr. V Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the left coast (Portland)and West Alton Posts: 1,326 Thanks: 61 Thanked 235 Times in 159 Posts	Casinos in RI? Don't you mean Connecticutt? The only thing in Rhode Island is Family Guy.

01-15-2007, 07:46 PM	#38
boathousegirl Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston and Winnisquam Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	And by the way Waterbaby, are you jealous that I pay so much in taxes. You were very nasty in your comments. If you choose to participate in a healthy discussion of issues, please continue to respond to me. If you choose to be personally insulting, please take out your anger somewhere else. I'm not interested.

01-15-2007, 09:16 PM	#39
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,535 Thanks: 1,059 Thanked 652 Times in 363 Posts	Carguy I remember you! My wife and I stayed at a nearby hotel to the foxwoods casino, can't remember the name, but you were the limo driver who took us to the casino. We couldn't afford the casino hotel and were too late arriving to have dinner there. You talked to us on the trip to the casino and said YOU would find us a place to have dinner. You walked us into the complex and said something to the guy at the entrance to the high rollers buffet area. This place was amazing! Stone Crab, sushi, lobster tails, caviar, fine wines and drinks, whatever we wanted. You said the only proviso was that if we left the area, we couldn't come back. What a night, fantastic! We didn't dare try to gamble in the HR area but ate our fill while we were amazed at the multi-$$$ thousand dollar bets we saw going on in the pit. Thanks again! I hope you got the tip we left with the front desk the next morning, as you wouldn't accept aything more than the normal amount when you dropped us off the previous night. BTW, I know you probably weren't the the "guy", but this carguy was amazing!!! Casino Limo drivers ROCK!!!

01-16-2007, 05:53 AM	#41
jlrm73 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 62 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mohegan drivers rock! Hi Carguy- I, too, had a limo driver from Mohegan Sun drive a bunch of us to Governor's Island a couple of months ago...he was awesome! Very accommodating and professional. That is so funny that you work for them...small world!