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Old 06-23-2021, 11:16 AM   #1
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We will be installing a permanent U-shaped dock sometime this or next year, assuming the permitting is acceptable. Can people share who they have used for permanent or seasonal dock installation/construction? We are looking to narrow down the field of companies to perform the work prior to reaching out. I know the main players are Winnipesaukee Marine, Ambrose, Watermark.

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Old 06-23-2021, 11:32 AM   #2
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We will be installing a permanent U-shaped dock sometime this or next year, assuming the permitting is acceptable. Can people share who they have used for permanent or seasonal dock installation/construction? We are looking to narrow down the field of companies to perform the work prior to reaching out. I know the main players are Winnipesaukee Marine, Ambrose, Watermark.

Thanks in advance.
For a permanent dock, you have just named the only three companies I would trust....
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Old 06-23-2021, 04:27 PM   #3
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Ben and crew did major rebuild for us last year. Roughly 150 linear feet of dock, u-shape. This involved removing 60 year old pre-stressed concrete docks, driving pilings, adding new decks, adding new power pedestals and extending electricity. Excellent work throughout.
DES is usually pretty quick with permits, but they send them to the local Conservation Commission before the application is considered complete. The CC's usually meet monthly and often push the application back if their agenda is already full for this month and/or next. They may add restrictions, so it may be worthwhile for you and your contractor to attend the meetings.
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Reputable and fair pricing. What else can you ask for. Tobin is great! Give him a call.
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Old 06-24-2021, 07:12 AM   #5
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We’re working with Watermark (Paul Goodwin) on a waterfront project (docks, etc) and my understanding is that DES isn’t really considering new permanent docks anymore in favor of seasonal or removable (ie crank up or removable sections on poles or floating).

A permanent dock is going to be a very tough sell and likely will need to show strong reason why the removable dock is not an option.

Plus, with permanent you’ll need to think about winter ice damage
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We’re working with Watermark (Paul Goodwin) on a waterfront project (docks, etc) and my understanding is that DES isn’t really considering new permanent docks anymore in favor of seasonal or removable (ie crank up or removable sections on poles or floating).

A permanent dock is going to be a very tough sell and likely will need to show strong reason why the removable dock is not an option.

Plus, with permanent you’ll need to think about winter ice damage
We put in our new dock quite a few years ago and they were discouraging permanent docks even then. But we had a permanent dock and they still gave us a hard time, even though we wanted to change to temporary.
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Permanent dock usage really depends on the exposure of the property.

I will say some of the new seasonal docks are great. Dave Farley/Diversified built us a 2 piece, very long (we have no depth) seasonal last year to replace our junk pipe dock, then added a walkway and another finger (permitted of course) to it this year.

He has done a permanent 3 finger crib dock for us in the past as well. It was built in 2004, and other than a re-deck its still standing strong at our old place.

He is getting ready to do a hardscape project for us now. Great guy and reasonable. He is booked up like everyone else and is selective these days when taking on new clients as he has so much business servicing long term customers like us.

For permitting, talk to Cynthia Folsom. She worked for DES at one point and trained existing employees so she knows her stuff.
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If you have a existing permanent crib dock that needs to be replaced, is that a problem as far as permitting. I once inquired about repairing ,replacing or removing my crib dock and replacing with a seasonal on, I was advised that the value of my property would decrease ( not in the eyes of the tax assessment) and that If you have a crib dock it would be best to repair or replace.
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Old 07-03-2021, 10:00 AM   #9
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If you have a existing permanent crib dock that needs to be replaced, is that a problem as far as permitting. I once inquired about repairing ,replacing or removing my crib dock and replacing with a seasonal on, I was advised that the value of my property would decrease ( not in the eyes of the tax assessment) and that If you have a crib dock it would be best to repair or replace.
When we bought our place in the summer of 2012, it had a permanent dock. I put in the circulator for the winter and all was fine. We were living in SW CT at the time, so it was a 5 hr ride up here, and we didn't come up for about a month in Feb/Mar. The circulator stopped working and the ice started moving...dock went from a straight finger to a "less than/greater than" sign.

I worked with Watermark to replace it. They initially tried to convince me to go with another permanent dock for the reasons you sight above, (property value; if you abandon permanent now, you'll never get one in the future, etc). I was certain that I wanted a crank-up dock...I didn't want the winter hassle that comes with a permanent one, and I wanted my water's edge to be frozen in the winter for ice access. We went with the crank-up and have never looked back. (and, my property value has certainly NOT decreased...)
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....I knew right after I put up my previous post that I used the wrong spelling for "cite". Sorry, I'm a spelling and grammar snob, all thanks to Mrs Long back in 10th grade English many moons ago....

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....I knew right after I put up my previous post that I used the wrong spelling for "cite". Sorry, I'm a spelling and grammar snob, all thanks to Mrs Long back in 10th grade English many moons ago....

(This should make the teachers on the forum happy )
I mean, if we want to get technical, there should only be three dots for ellipses, the period after "cite" should be inside the quotation marks, and there should be a period after "Mrs," but I very much appreciate the sentiment!

PS As an English teacher, it's BRUTAL to be active in online forums.

PPS I see permission to be playful given our PM thread, but feel free to tell me to pound sand.

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I mean, if we want to get technical, there should only be three dots for ellipses, the period after "cite" should be inside the quotation marks, and there should be a period after "Mrs," but I very much appreciate the sentiment!

PS As an English teacher, it's BRUTAL to be active in online forums.

PPS I see permission to be playful given our PM thread, but feel free to tell me to pound sand.

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Touche; you are correct! And no worries; I love friendly trash-talk! I've had two kids in college 8 straight years, one right after the other. I can't tell you how many papers and assignments I have checked for spelling and grammar from afar. The one consolation, however, would be when I would receive the phone call with the exclamation, "Dad, we got a A on our paper!"
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