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Is it even legal to be out on the lake with a canoe, kayak or sup after dark ?
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Is any information available yet re funeral arrangements for Hal and Jim? 🐻
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Good question but if I was out in my canoe after dark I would be hugging the shoreline for sure. Cant really think of any reason to be out there in a canoe or kayak when its dark tho. Then again, the most dangerous thing I want to do these days is ride my bike down a dirt road during the day.
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Here on Lake Winnipesaukee, 99.44%-of all the motorboats keep serious attention to staying outside the spar marker buoys because there could be shallow rocks along the shoreline areas which makes for safe paddling close along the shore, within the spar markers.
Out in the motorboat zones, you can get hit on a sunny day just because the motor boater never saw you, and was not expecting a kayak/sup to be there. Motorboats and jet skis can travel along at 45-mph ..... while kayaks and sups paddle along at 3-mph. Is similar to a motorcycle not being seen by a car driver; ...... say-hey ..... I never even seen it, there?
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It’s very much not a good idea. I’ve had too many boats come too close during the day. And I have bright orange kayaks to help be seen better. A little white light is not enough. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
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People that do this are the very fruitcakes you see on TV on the 6PM news wondering why a disaster occurred. Um DUH? Here you go, another Darwin award winner. FLL - seriously please save us from more suggestions from the galactically stupid. |
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#108 | |
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Hey Maxum buddy ........ Ebay.com has these 'ACR C-Strobe lights', a personal distress strobe light w/ a short lanyard, and two loops for attaching to a pfd strap, size-6" tube shape, works on two AA batteries, 45-lumens flashing white strobe light can be seen two miles across the water, shipped from Tampa, Florida for $14.50-ea, shipping included. Hey Maxum ..... is this a great Christmas stocking stuffer, or what! At $14.50, shipping included, will be sold out soon, so don't delay your purchase. ... ![]() ........ For a vessel stopped in a highly trafficked spot on the lake after dark, one of these small white strobe flashers could be very helpful ..... seems like a no brain-er.
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Just remember that the all around light must be mounted high enough to be seen for 360 degrees and be visible for a distance of 2 miles.
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Ready for an extraordinary situation, one of these $14.50 psychedelic white, 45-lumens, C-strobe flashing l.e.d. beacons can be secured ![]()
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Two finer men, experienced boaters, met with tragic ends.
Frivolous speculating about kayaks and flashlights is embarrassing and should not be part of a solemn thread. Have some respect and start another thread if you have to drift off course. |
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It's not only embarrassing but disrespectful.
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People really need to think about exactly what they're saying, and how it clearly comes across to others reading it. Saying "shocked" is such an inappropriate word to use. Thoughts expressed regarding and accident and death should convey sympathy, and heartfelt sorrow.
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So, here's a question on this extremely unfortunate, sad, and unhappy collision: Were the two motor boats both moving along and collided head-on, or was one boat struck while it was stopped, or what?
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Obituary for Hal Lyon:
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It's scant consolation, but it seems both gentlemen passed while doing the thing they most enjoyed while at their favorite spot on earth.
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While this is a sad unfortunate event and my condolences go out to friends and family, there seems to be a lot of unanswered questions. This thread is about a boat crash and people have questions. Maybe a thread should be started to celebrate the lives of the individuals that were lost. Take the names out of it and I think there would be some different reactions to this crash. Examples: Drinking always comes up in these type of threads, why not here? An operator runs into a breakwater at night and leaves the boat there and the knee jerk reaction is that the operator was drunk. Common sense, why where people boating in these conditions? Who’s at fault? Operator error? Mechanical? Could this have been avoided? All due respect to the deceased and their families but 2 people lost their lives here, families/friends lost loved ones. There has to be some lessons learned from this in addition to accountability. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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So our place is on the stretch of mainland near Blueberry Island (if going straight from Bear), and one of our neighbors says debris from this wreck washed up all along the shoreline there. I checked this weekend on our shore and if it had, it was taken away by that point.
I mean knowing how the lake goes, I'm not sure if I could tell if debris was from this specific incident versus the usual flotsam and jetsam, especially considering the sizes of the boats involved and the distance. But wondering if anyone else encountered something. |
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Just saying oh an accident is an accident is arguably just making an excuse. One could even argue this- the two boaters were friends right? Well my friends who I have known for ever would know the path I would take across the lake because they have seen me do it or we have done it together numerous times. Could that have been a factor? The fact they had similar or identical thought of well lets hug this island coast at this point because they both knew it well and did it multiple times? Well then that would be a factor that put them in the same place as the same time because otherwise they would have completely missed each other right? |
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Hal and his family have been friends and neighbors on East Bear Island for many years. We enjoyed holiday visits to his off-island home where Hal and his family would dress in period clothes, and old Christmas carols would be sung by all, and the best eggnog we've ever had was served. We will miss him. 🐻
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Sorry for your loss, Barney Bear--it sounds like Winni lost two great spirits.
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You can bet if there are any lessons to be learned they will be made public in the aftermath of whatever facts come to light following this report, especially since one fact is undisputed. Both of the victims were seasoned operators very familiar with the area. |
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Max, well said, thank you. Fyi, great letter in recent Weirs Times by Tim Moore(page 2) The only thing left out was the fact that from year to year, Hal was so very consistent.
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I did not know them so I cant comment on what type of men they were or how they lived their lives.
All I can say is that the Buddha taught his followers to every single day think that, that day is the day they could die. And to think of all the ways they could lose their life on that day. Illness, accident, snake bite, murder. The many ways that the end could come at any moment. This kept them grounded to the reality of how impermanent life was,and so at the end, they wouldn't be so surprised. I didn't know them. But I hope they knew this. |
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