Lavinia's

Lakesrider · 06-04-2013, 12:18 PM

So my wife took me out for my Birthday last night. we were going to go to Mame's but my wife had looked online and it said they were closed on Mondays. (Found later that Last night was the first night they were now open on Mondays for the Summer. DOH!
So we went to Lavinia's. Ate in the pub section, corner table. Had Scott as the server. Great guy. Very friendly, which is always nice when you go out to eat. I have to say there was hardly anyone in the whole place. I had the Kobe Beef Meatloaf and my wife had the Salmon something or other. Wife said hers was great and the meatloaf was as well. Had two drinks and Scott brought out my cheesecake with a candle stuck into it. He refused to sing though stating it was his voice and would not be too entertaining. So I blew out my candle and had the cheesecake which was also very good. (I wished Scott could get a better singing voice. See how unselfish I am....

) So all in all a very nice quiet birthday dinner with my wife. As we were leaving we were the only ones there so I was nice and told them they could all go home now that we were leaving...

Natt · 06-04-2013, 01:06 PM

We have been consistently pleased with Lavinia's including a recent rehearsal dinner gig.

LongBay · 06-04-2013, 08:10 PM

We enjoyed Lavinia's as well. We have gone there twice so far this season, both on Saturdays. The waitress we had was very nice and attentive. Food was very good and the stuffed olives they put in my drink were phat.

Winnisquamguy · 06-05-2013, 07:47 AM

I have been twice and no complaints here. Great food and atmosphere.Bar area is a little small if you have a large party and need to wait 30 minutes or so.Its all good!

SAMIAM · 06-05-2013, 08:21 AM

Definately have to give Luke credit for hanging in there all winter open 7 days a week when everyone else was cutting back to save money.
The food and service have been excellent and we've heard nothing but compliments from friends that have been there.

phoenix · 06-05-2013, 10:50 AM

They have a few outside tables with view of lake on a nice summers evening I have been a few times over last year and have never been disappointed

Lakesrider · 06-05-2013, 05:00 PM

We noticed the outside tables and wondered how the bugs were, but I tell you it smelled great out there. I think the lilacs were in bloom or something, plus you could smell the smells coming out of the kitchen as the door was open back there when we left. I gave the cook a thumbs up too.

JanN · 07-23-2013, 09:29 AM

Had a wonderful dining experience at Lavinia's last evening--food, service and atmosphere all tops! Husband had the Lobster Pot Pie and I had the New England Seafood Casserole--we couldn't believe how much seafood there was, especially lobster! Everyone was so pleasant--most enjoyable!

We have always loved The Corner House and have gone there every year for 30+ years, including this year, on our Meredith vacation, but we may have found a new favorite.

Will definitely go back, maybe as soon as this week with friends, before going home

Life is Wild · 11-09-2013, 09:47 AM

Wednesday evening at Lavinia's was a very nice experience, with a corner table in the pub and some live music by a lovely lady who, according to me, sounds like a cross between the Indigo Girls, Stevie Nicks and someone else who I can't put my finger on, but my wife didn't think my musical analysis was very accurate. She also liked the music, though.

The waitress's knowledge of beer was excellent, which perked up my rating of the place by several notches because there is nothing I hate more than asking what kind of dark, but not too dark, beer is on tap and being told, "Budweiser."
Unfortunately, not enough places in NH serve Yeungling lager from Pennsylvania yet, but in the past ten years its distribution has expanded from just PA and a bit of NY all the way DOWN the east coast into the Florida Keys, and I have strong faith that it will climb north soon. I think Sam Adams is putting on some sort of blocking maneuver down around Boston though, which is a problem.
(My wife had a blueberry beer, but we won't talk about that.)

While I wasn't overjoyed with the selection of steaks on the menu, seeing only two choices and opting for the cheaper flank steak at $25, I did think it was a very nice piece of beef and done exactly as I ordered it. Mame's has a better selection, and better prices, but the Woodshed is my favorite steak and prime rib place around, so far...

Reading between the lines, I felt that there is an underlying nervousness about the place. From the greeting at the door to the attentive service, all friendly and competent, it is just a feeling I get in restaurants when a manager is uncomfortable, new or worried.

Overall, to the average joe, the evening was great, but to my attentive, wannabe special agent, ear to the ground, intuitive and highly irrelevant, mostly useless ability to feel the mojo of a place, I didn't feel 100% at home at Lavinia's. However, we will go back on Wednesday nights because other than the aura, everything was fantastic and live music from a corner crooner with a guitar on her knee and a waitress who knows about beer and a chef who knows how to cook trumps everything else.

And by the way, in the car on the way home, my wife did not agree with me at all when I mentioned my theory about the aura...

Newbiesaukee · 11-09-2013, 10:16 AM

I am not much on reading auras but I will be happy to give my 1 cent on analyzing and interpreting your aura ( it is not worth 2 cents, the analysis, that is.)

As with many places in the Lakes Region, most of the staff is, more or less, relatively inexperienced. To Lukes credit, he tries very hard to train the staff, including management. This is great and the staff tries hard and usually succeeds. But this relative inexperience coupled with trying to do well adds to the "nervousness," tentativeness, and aura you experience. It isn't really bad.

Just my 1 cents worth.

JanN · 11-10-2013, 09:14 AM

Went to Lavinia's this summer and loved everything about it--food, atmosphere and service! It was a busy night, we had a nice chat with the manager and didn't sense any "nervousness". Overall, an extremely pleasant experience and we can't wait to return on our vacation next July!

blacksheep · 11-11-2013, 05:44 PM

Responding to Life is Wild's intuitive reaction to being at Lavinia's recently - you could be picking up on the fact that the chef who was with Lavinia's since the beginning left in late summer. The front of the house manager, Brendan, who had also been on board since the beginning, also left in Sept. The current manager, Doug, came to Lavinia's in late summer from Canoe. The entire front of the house staff is new, the chef is new, and the management is new. Perhaps this explains their possibly anxious, eager to please, vibe.

RLW · 11-11-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blacksheep

Responding to Life is Wild's intuitive reaction to being at Lavinia's recently - you could be picking up on the fact that the chef who was with Lavinia's since the beginning, Jeff Woolley, left in September and has been at Lago's since then. The front of the house manager, Brendan, who had also been on board since the beginning, also left in Sept. The current manager, Doug, came to Lavinia's in late summer from Canoe. The entire front of the house staff is new, the chef is new, and the management is new. Perhaps this explains their possibly anxious, eager to please, vibe.

blacksheep, I just noticed that you are fairly new to posting on the forum and glad you have joined us. Have fun and enjoy the Winni Forum while making many new friends.

Thanks for all the new info and I'm sure there will be many others very interested in your news.

blacksheep · 12-03-2013, 05:00 PM

I heard the news today that Luke D sold Lavinia's. I don't know the new owner, but aparently he's a local electrician and his son is a recent culinary school graduate. I wish them the best of luck - it's a beautiful spot, and the life that has been breathed into the business in the last two years has really made her shine. Looking forward to seeing what changes are put in place - always fun to see how the young and creative make their mark! Can't wait to see what they offer for New Year's Eve.

wickedtravelah · 12-03-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blacksheep

I heard the news today that Luke D sold Lavinia's. I don't know the new owner, but aparently he's a local electrician and his son is a recent culinary school graduate. I wish them the best of luck - it's a beautiful spot, and the life that has been breathed into the business in the last two years has really made her shine. Looking forward to seeing what changes are put in place - always fun to see how the young and creative make their mark! Can't wait to see what they offer for New Year's Eve.

I wish them luck....such a great location.

Greene's Basin Girl · 12-04-2013, 04:41 PM

I spoke with the Lavina's manager ( Doug ) this afternoon. He told me that the sale of the restaurant will most likely be finalized next week. He also told me that Luke will stay involved with the new owner's during a transition period. I spoke to him about the Woodshed. He said all the local restaurants are trying to help the displaced employee's. Lavinia has a opening for one full time kitchen employee at this time. The restaurant had also picked up a few of the Woodshed's upcoming functions.

blacksheep · 12-04-2013, 09:32 PM

It's nice to see the greater community of restaurants rallying around the Woodshed crew. Lavinia's is a beautiful spot for a holiday function. It will be interesting to see the evolution of the new owners, and their spin. We wish them the best of luck.

jetskier · 12-05-2013, 04:17 PM

Hi all,

It is nice to see everyone rallying around the Woodshed.

My advice to the new owner of Lavinia's is to focus on being more consistent. We found that Lavinia's varied wildly over several visits. We had some terrific dining experiences and some really poor dining experiences.

Specifically:

Focus on the serving staff especially during the turn over periods. We went to Lavinia's during a turnover period and the service was awful...parts of the order were completely forgotten and the waiter left us sitting for extended periods.
Focus on consistent food quality. Again, this was often good and sometimes a big disaster. We tried the lobster pie once and it was essentially gruel.
There are lots of restaurants in the area, focus on your differentiation. Personally, I think that there is a dearth of good high end restaurants.

I hope that Lavinia's has great success under the new ownership and we will certainly give them a try after the transition period.

Jetskier

Rattler · 12-06-2013, 11:20 AM

Agree wholeheartedly with Jetskier. Went to Lavinia's early last summer, had a great meal, and declared Lavinia's as my go-to "high end" dining spot in the area. (BTW, there aren't many to choose from...)

Took some friends there later in the summer, bragging about food quality, service, etc., and was disappointed to the extent that I apologized to them about giving the place such a build up.

Tried one more time this fall (without friends) and was again disappointed. Lots of potential there but needs much more consistency.

Den65 · 01-27-2014, 06:04 PM

Heard Lavinia's has closed for 2 weeks starting Saturday 1/25 to redo the kitchen and I guess change the name and get ready to re-launch. I have heard that new owner is an executive chef can't wait to try it. Hope they don't change the bar area, love it.

Eric Weiss · 01-27-2014, 07:53 PM

the "Chef" is a recent culinary grad... he is nowhere near Executive Chef status or level... I am.. 30 years experience, 3 countries, 4 states in everything from pubs to running 4 star, 300+ bedroom hotel restaurant and catering division... that makes an Executive Chef. Sorry to rag, and dont intend to offend the new owners, but...., ive earned the right to be called Executive Chef, the newbie is a Chef Di Partie with a bit of education.

lovetheforum · 01-27-2014, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

the "Chef" is a recent culinary grad... he is nowhere near Executive Chef status or level... I am.. 30 years experience, 3 countries, 4 states in everything from pubs to running 4 star, 300+ bedroom hotel restaurant and catering division... that makes an Executive Chef. Sorry to rag, and dont intend to offend the new owners, but...., ive earned the right to be called Executive Chef, the newbie is a Chef Di Partie with a bit of education.

I find your comment extremely offensive. To go on a competing restaurant's thread and boost your credentials is disrespectful and tasteless. I'm not sure if your comment is to get customers to visit your own establishment or if you just have a large ego and is really unsure of yourself. Either way the only way it effects me is I will not be dining at your place. I am sure with your resume you could careless.

Good luck to the new owner and executive chef at Lavinia's.

Newbiesaukee · 01-28-2014, 04:24 AM

Although I am not usually part of the spelling police, when the issue seems to be on the nuances of chef designations and education, it is Chef de Partie, not Chef Di Partie.

wifi · 01-28-2014, 05:00 AM

Let the hazing begin .....

blacksheep · 01-28-2014, 07:19 AM

The new owner is fortunate to have family support and financial backing, both things he will need in order to successfully run Lavinia's. Those of us who were involved in Lavinia's most recent reincarnation (over the past few years) wish him nothing but the best and are excited for his re-launch so we can visit and show our support. Word to the wise to Eric W - arrogant, tempemental reactive chefs are a dime a dozen - so common they are cliche. A dose of humility and a word of encouragement to this enthusiastic, fortunate kid might do you good. Someone else's success is no threat to your own. Peace.

phoenix · 01-28-2014, 07:41 AM

In reality all I care about is good food at reasonable prices. I don't ever remember checking a chefs diploma before I ate at a restaurant

Happy Gourmand · 01-28-2014, 08:15 AM

If I read this correctly, the NEW CHEF did not claim the title of Executive Chef, a poster did, perhaps making some assumptions.
Let's all give this new Chef de Partie a break and wish him well.
Executive Chef, Sous Chef, Chef de Partie, Great Cook.....all just titles....who really cares.... the proof is in the pudding and what is put on the plate.

sky's · 02-13-2014, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by phoenix

In reality all I care about is good food at reasonable prices. I don't ever remember checking a chefs diploma before I ate at a restaurant

nice could not agree more

SAMIAM · 01-28-2014, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

the "Chef" is a recent culinary grad... he is nowhere near Executive Chef status or level... I am.. 30 years experience, 3 countries, 4 states in everything from pubs to running 4 star, 300+ bedroom hotel restaurant and catering division... that makes an Executive Chef. Sorry to rag, and dont intend to offend the new owners, but...., ive earned the right to be called Executive Chef, the newbie is a Chef Di Partie with a bit of education.

Probably the most tasteless post I've ever seen on this forum

SIKSUKR · 01-28-2014, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

the "Chef" is a recent culinary grad... he is nowhere near Executive Chef status or level... I am.. 30 years experience, 3 countries, 4 states in everything from pubs to running 4 star, 300+ bedroom hotel restaurant and catering division... that makes an Executive Chef. Sorry to rag, and dont intend to offend the new owners, but...., ive earned the right to be called Executive Chef, the newbie is a Chef Di Partie with a bit of education.

What you have earned my friend, is the most arrogant post I've ever read on this forum. Wow! Talk about insecure.

Den65 · 01-28-2014, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

the "Chef" is a recent culinary grad... he is nowhere near Executive Chef status or level... I am.. 30 years experience, 3 countries, 4 states in everything from pubs to running 4 star, 300+ bedroom hotel restaurant and catering division... that makes an Executive Chef. Sorry to rag, and dont intend to offend the new owners, but...., ive earned the right to be called Executive Chef, the newbie is a Chef Di Partie with a bit of education.

I guess you missed that first word I put in there HEARD. People have to start somewhere don't they, just like you did 30years ago..............lighten up.

Den65 · 01-28-2014, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

the "Chef" is a recent culinary grad... he is nowhere near Executive Chef status or level... I am.. 30 years experience, 3 countries, 4 states in everything from pubs to running 4 star, 300+ bedroom hotel restaurant and catering division... that makes an Executive Chef. Sorry to rag, and dont intend to offend the new owners, but...., ive earned the right to be called Executive Chef, the newbie is a Chef Di Partie with a bit of education.

From another post:

I just want to take a moment to introduce myself. I am Eric Weiss. I am one of the owners and Executive Chef of the Woodlands Tavern.
I just want to thank everyone for all their support over the last 7 months!!
We have major renovation plans scheduled for Nov14 that will totally transform the bar, and porch areas. Much more, user/ customer friendly!!
I want to thank everyone for all the critiques on the forum, in-house and on FB. We are just a bunch of hard working people trying to make a living. We make mistakes. Everyone does. We do our best resolve any issues, so long as we know there is a problem.
Good, bad or indifferent, your opinion DOES matter! All i can ask is, if you dine with us and have a problem, let us know right away, dont go away mad, without giving us a chance to fix things!! We learn from you, the customer!!

Cheers, Eric

Winnisquamguy · 01-28-2014, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

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All i can ask is, if you dine with us and have a problem, let us know right away, dont go away mad, without giving us a chance to fix things!! We learn from you, the customer!!

I have asked him several times when he is going to make the place wheelchair accessible. I have sent him the ADA laws that he has broken and I have not received a reply from him. Although he has shared with the code enforcement officer that it would be done in the second phase, he is on about his 3rd phase. How they won the "Golden Trowel Award" from the LRCC
is beyond me. That reminds me I need to write a letter!!

My vent for the day.

BroadHopper · 01-28-2014, 09:46 AM

WinnisquamGuy has a legitimate excuse. If a letter does go to the ADA, one would not want to hear what happens next!

The ADA was establish in 1990 by a Vietnam veteran! Pleas honor our vets! I hope Woodlands in due faith has a plan in place for disability accessibility. I hate to see a great place to eat falter under the ADA. There are federal grants available for small businesses to bring their establishment within ADA requirements. I have seen to many establishments fail to honor our disabled population especially our disabled vets.

SIKSUKR · 01-28-2014, 10:12 AM

Talk about opening up your own can of worms.

VitaBene · 01-28-2014, 10:49 AM

Executive chef is just a title... the chefs I know only want to be considered as great chefs!

Mr. V · 01-28-2014, 11:12 AM

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Executive chef is just a title... the chefs I know only want to be considered as great chefs!

No, it is more than just "a title."

An accomplished "executive chef" must have the knowledge and skills that only many years of experience can instill.

see: http://www.hcareers.com/us/resourcec...4/default.aspx

Weiss made a valid point; he wasn't slamming a competitor, he was clarifying the correct meaning and usage of an industry term.

Newbiesaukee · 01-28-2014, 02:24 PM

As long as we are, apparently, having a philosophic discussion....From what I can find on the Internet, including the above link, the term "executive chef" is a job description, not a title of honor or competence. The job description does require many tasks but it is not really a measure of experience or competence. In the same way a CEO is a job description, it is someone who performs certain functions. Whether you just finished business school or have thirty years of experience, if you do the tasks you can be a CEO. Now whether you are a GOOD CEO or GOOD Executive Chef is a totally different issue. You can be an executive chef, accomplished or not.

VitaBene · 01-28-2014, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. V

No, it is more than just "a title."

An accomplished "executive chef" must have the knowledge and skills that only many years of experience can instill.

see: http://www.hcareers.com/us/resourcec...4/default.aspx

Weiss made a valid point; he wasn't slamming a competitor, he was clarifying the correct meaning and usage of an industry term.

I understand the distinction, and understood what Chef Weiss wrote (though I think it could have been worded better). I am aware of what an executive chef is (my family is in the business). Regardless of experience levels, the chef that oversees all of the other chefs (Sous, [pastry, etc) is the Executive Chef.

You made the the statement entirely different when you added "accomplished". Until then it is only a title.

wickedtravelah · 01-28-2014, 07:05 PM

I wish the new owners/chef the best of luck.

Mr. V · 01-28-2014, 09:07 PM

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You made the the statement entirely different when you added "accomplished". Until then it is only a title.

You got me there.

I guess I'll just have to agree with you that a newly coined cook is the same as an executive chef.

Pineedles · 01-29-2014, 09:41 AM

Ah, but what is a corporate chef? Someone who cooks the books.

Eric Weiss · 01-28-2014, 09:52 AM

mike, aka winnisqsuam.. you have on more than one occasion, harassed us, insulted town officials and threatened to sue both us and the town of Alton. You have been informed by both state and local officials that we are in compliance as we have done 0 structural work to the building... everything is as it was.

As far as insecure, nope. I love competition. It breeds creativity. I only wish the new peeps the very best and a long productive run!

You all seem to miss what i was getting at. The term "Executive Chef" is just thrown around. Im sure, if the newbie has a good skill set, they will indeed, in time "grow" into the position of Exec. Its more than just a title.

ie.. if you went to Uni for Political science, you don't graduate as a senator... you put in the time and work up to it.

loony · 01-28-2014, 03:49 PM

Gee- And it thought all culinary students got a new skillet set when they graduated....

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Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

mike, aka winnisqsuam.. you have on more than one occasion, harassed us, insulted town officials and threatened to sue both us and the town of Alton. You have been informed by both state and local officials that we are in compliance as we have done 0 structural work to the building... everything is as it was.

As far as insecure, nope. I love competition. It breeds creativity. I only wish the new peeps the very best and a long productive run!

You all seem to miss what i was getting at. The term "Executive Chef" is just thrown around. Im sure, if the newbie has a good skill set, they will indeed, in time "grow" into the position of Exec. Its more than just a title.

ie.. if you went to Uni for Political science, you don't graduate as a senator... you put in the time and work up to it.

Rusty · 01-29-2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

the "Chef" is a recent culinary grad... he is nowhere near Executive Chef status or level... I am.. 30 years experience, 3 countries, 4 states in everything from pubs to running 4 star, 300+ bedroom hotel restaurant and catering division... that makes an Executive Chef. Sorry to rag, and dont intend to offend the new owners, but...., ive earned the right to be called Executive Chef, the newbie is a Chef Di Partie with a bit of education.

Here is your "chefs" hat, wear it proudly:

LakeSnake · 01-29-2014, 12:46 PM

I was just going to post on the Woodlands thread about how I tried the place recently (2nd time) and was impressed with the progress made since they opened. But after reading the above all I can do is offer that Mr. Weiss best refrain from the "Airing of grevances" and/ or posting with a "tone" that can eaisly be seen as negative towards other local business. (Unless of course he is celebrating Festivus).

Rember Mr. Weiss - in this town there is always someone watching.

Eric Weiss · 01-29-2014, 01:42 PM

Again, i think most of you have missed the point. Perhaps, poorly worded, but i was merely try to correct the misuse of the term "Executive Chef".
In no way is this an attack on a competitor, their product or skill set.. as i stated earlier, best of luck an hope they have a productive run...

Fact is, what the Lakes Region needs is competition and friendly rivalries in the food industry. From what i have read over the last few months is that as a whole, the last several years in this area, the restaurants in the Lakes region have become complacent.... perhaps they should step up their game a bit. Competition = Creativity!!!

GTO · 01-29-2014, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

Again, i think most of you have missed the point. Perhaps, poorly worded, but i was merely try to correct the misuse of the term "Executive Chef".
In no way is this an attack on a competitor, their product or skill set.. as i stated earlier, best of luck an hope they have a productive run...

Fact is, what the Lakes Region needs is competition and friendly rivalries in the food industry. From what i have read over the last few months is that as a whole, the last several years in this area, the restaurants in the Lakes region have become complacent.... perhaps they should step up their game a bit. Competition = Creativity!!!

Time to quit while you are still way behind. Maybe come up with a new screen name becasue your tarnishing the ones you have here. And why do you have 2 screen names anyways? I tried that years ago with my first thread of "Mr C's and I have been on probation ever since. sorry about that Don

Rusty · 01-29-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

Again, i think most of you have missed the point. Perhaps, poorly worded, but i was merely try to correct the misuse of the term "Executive Chef".
In no way is this an attack on a competitor, their product or skill set.. as i stated earlier, best of luck an hope they have a productive run...

Fact is, what the Lakes Region needs is competition and friendly rivalries in the food industry. From what i have read over the last few months is that as a whole, the last several years in this area, the restaurants in the Lakes region have become complacent.... perhaps they should step up their game a bit. Competition = Creativity!!!

Just out of curiosity, are you a "Certified Executive Chef"? If not, what education do you have in the culinary field other then "30 years experience".

Eric Weiss · 01-29-2014, 02:41 PM

I am a Certified Executive Chef. I attended the Academy of Culinary Arts, which at the time was the #2 in the US. I have degrees in Culinary Arts and Business Management....

Pineedles · 01-29-2014, 02:59 PM

The American Culinary federation is 501c corporation that offers CEC as well as Certified Master Chef certification through testing. Many industries have multiple organizations that set themselves up as the go to source for job advancement through testing. Personally, one of my favorites Jacques Pepin was not CEC or CMC certified, but he was personal chef to Charles de Gaulle; which in my book is good enough for me.

brk-lnt · 01-29-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

Again, i think most of you have missed the point. Perhaps, poorly worded, but i was merely try to correct the misuse of the term "Executive Chef".
In no way is this an attack on a competitor, their product or skill set.. as i stated earlier, best of luck an hope they have a productive run...

Fact is, what the Lakes Region needs is competition and friendly rivalries in the food industry. From what i have read over the last few months is that as a whole, the last several years in this area, the restaurants in the Lakes region have become complacent.... perhaps they should step up their game a bit. Competition = Creativity!!!

For what it's worth, I didn't think your initial message that set off this storm was all that bad. In fact, I found it kind of helpful.

For my wife and I, we enjoy trying new places. I've been to several 5 diamond places, and a ton of ghetto joints that would scare many people away. Much of it is "setting expectations". If a restaurant is billing themselves as having an "Executive Chef", I'm going to set my minimal expectations higher than maybe some place that doesn't call attention to the kitchen staff, or lists "Head Cook", or "Head Chef", etc.

I understand the perspective of titles being earned, but from the angle of the guy eating there, it's all about the food. If a 10 year old prodigy can hook up some foie gras and sweet breads like nobodies business, then I'm not going to question them being presented to the diners as an "Executive Chef" on the restaurant menu or whatever (yes, they might not have the business sense of a "true" exec chef, but as the diner, I don't care about that).

So, if someone wants to call themselves the executive chef they are, IMO, setting a higher level of customer expectation. If they can deliver on that expectation, then I have no issues. But, if they're still perfecting their craft, it might be wise to tone down the titles and leave a little more margin for error in a sense.

Alton Lady · 01-29-2014, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by brk-lnt

For what it's worth, I didn't think your initial message that set off this storm was all that bad. In fact, I found it kind of helpful.

For my wife and I, we enjoy trying new places. I've been to several 5 diamond places, and a ton of ghetto joints that would scare many people away. Much of it is "setting expectations". If a restaurant is billing themselves as having an "Executive Chef", I'm going to set my minimal expectations higher than maybe some place that doesn't call attention to the kitchen staff, or lists "Head Cook", or "Head Chef", etc.

I understand the perspective of titles being earned, but from the angle of the guy eating there, it's all about the food. If a 10 year old prodigy can hook up some foie gras and sweet breads like nobodies business, then I'm not going to question them being presented to the diners as an "Executive Chef" on the restaurant menu or whatever (yes, they might not have the business sense of a "true" exec chef, but as the diner, I don't care about that).

So, if someone wants to call themselves the executive chef they are, IMO, setting a higher level of customer expectation. If they can deliver on that expectation, then I have no issues. But, if they're still perfecting their craft, it might be wise to tone down the titles and leave a little more margin for error in a sense.

What set off this storm, at least in my opinion, is Mr. Weiss' poor judgement (intentions??) in posting on this thread. He did not simply explain the duties of an executive chef, he demeaned the abilities of the new chef/owner of Lavinias in an arrogant and offensive manner. And then he thanks a poster for stating that the poster doesn't care about titles, they just want good food. Then why the post in the first place? Mr. Weiss also posted on his own businesses thread that he wants criticism instead of guest leaving mad, yet he thanks a poster on the Ellacoya thread who stated they visited Ellacoya, were not acknowledged, and left. I see no good intentions from this man, only a pathetic attempt to further his business by harming the reputations of his competition. Having seen this in my business, I have no respect for his kind. By the way, the following may be of interest to Mr. Weiss

http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...50/1015/news13

Eric Weiss · 01-29-2014, 05:20 PM

So, how did i demean anyone? Again, i never critiqued any products, skills, service etc. I was merely trying to correct a misuse of "Executive Chef".

How am i harming the rep of other businesses?
I didn't serve their customer. I didnt ignore their customer. That was, that establishments problem. If their patron chose to leave and come here, post a negative review about another establishment, and say they came here a received better, how am i in the wrong?

Alton Lady · 01-29-2014, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

So, how did i demean anyone? Again, i never critiqued any products, skills, service etc. I was merely trying to correct a misuse of "Executive Chef".

How am i harming the rep of other businesses?
I didn't serve their customer. I didnt ignore their customer. That was, that establishments problem. If their patron chose to leave and come here, post a negative review about another establishment, and say they came here a received better, how am i in the wrong?

How did you demean someone? You did not make a statement about titles, you specifically commented on a competitors qualifications

"the "Chef" is a recent culinary grad... he is nowhere near Executive Chef status or level... "
" ive earned the right to be called Executive Chef, the newbie is a Chef Di Partie with a bit of education."

If you had good intentions, you would have simply started an informational post describing the various titles of a culinary team. Do you personally KNOW the qualifications and experience of Mr. McGuff? Did you need to use him as an example to make your point?

As far as harming the reputation of competitors is concerned, how would you feel if the owners of each restaurant in the area thanked a poster with negative comments on your restaurant? It's petty and unprofessional.

Quit while you are ahead. A simple apology and a claim of responsibility for your lack of judgement or good intentions would have taken you far.

blacksheep · 01-29-2014, 06:27 PM

Here is the link to verify certified executive chef status, which is challenging to obtain. Mr. Weiss claims status as a certified executive chef, yet he is not on the ACF's list. Dinner at Lavinia's, anyone?

https://www.acfchefs.org/ACFSource/C...ification.aspx

Mr. V · 01-29-2014, 07:51 PM

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Here is the link to verify certified executive chef status, which is challenging to obtain. Mr. Weiss claims status as a certified executive chef, yet he is not on the ACF's list. Dinner at Lavinia's, anyone?

Brendan McGuff (Identified in the paper as the infamous Lavinia's "Executive Chef" is not listed as an Executive Chef on the ACF's list, either.

So ... what makes him an "executive chef?

I don't know him, he may be a good cook, even a passable chef, but I have to assume Eric Weiss knew what he was saying when he claimed McGuff was a "recent culinary grad," and even I, Clueless in the Kitchen, realize it takes years of experience to earn the title "executive chef."

Otherwise: "It don't mean nothin.'"

OK,time to don my "Executive Sanitation Engineer" cap: time to take out the trash.

Glendale Girl · 01-29-2014, 05:22 PM

Thank-You Alton Lady. He is an executive chef according to this article. phew I am glad the mystery is solved!

belly_button_biter · 01-29-2014, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alton Lady

http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...50/1015/news13

Just because the Union Times article label somebody an executive chef does not mean the person is a certified executive Chef.

A bigger concern for me would be where did the liquor come from that the new owners of Lavinia's sold just before closing for 2 weeks. It is against the law to transfer liquor when selling a restaurant.

brk-lnt · 01-29-2014, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Alton Lady

By the way, the following may be of interest to Mr. Weiss

http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...50/1015/news13

Why is it of interest? Because a local paper uses the title executive chef?

Once again, people seem to have this religious fervor about restaurants in the area. The guy had only a couple of posts here when he wrote that post, he has 8 as of the time I'm writing this. Let's just give him the benefit of the doubt and assume maybe he hasn't quite figured out the "vibe" here yet and might have been able to phrase his thoughts a little better.

Unless, of course, you've managed to go your whole life without ever making any pompous statements or saying things you might have later regretted or wished you had worded differently?

Alton Lady · 01-29-2014, 07:10 PM

The point to be taken from the article is that Mr. McGuff has experience in restaurants from California to Connecticut. Mr Weiss claims that Mr McGuff just graduated from culinary school and lacks experience.

brk-lnt · 01-29-2014, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Alton Lady

The point to be taken from the article is that Mr. McGuff has experience in restaurants from California to Connecticut. Mr Weiss claims that Mr McGuff just graduated from culinary school and lacks experience.

His Facebook page lists him as a graduate of the 2013 class, I would say that seems fairly recent, certainly less than a year.

If you look at the Facebook page from where he got his culinary degree, they have an album for a December 2012 class, and an album for an August 2013 class. If he was in fact in the August 2013 class that would be VERY recent.

"Experience from California to Connecticut" is pretty vague, you have to admit. Was he a busboy? A pantry chef? An expediter? Doesn't really say...

You, and others, seem to want to take what was apparently an accurate, if not less-than-optimally-worded post and interpret it as an attack. I didn't see it that way.

My guess is Mr. Weiss is probably a pretty solid chef. I wouldn't hire him for $1 to run a PR campaign, but I'm guessing he doesn't want that job anyway

Rusty · 01-29-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by brk-lnt

His Facebook page lists him as a graduate of the 2013 class, I would say that seems fairly recent, certainly less than a year.

If you look at the Facebook page from where he got his culinary degree, they have an album for a December 2012 class, and an album for an August 2013 class. If he was in fact in the August 2013 class that would be VERY recent.

"Experience from California to Connecticut" is pretty vague, you have to admit. Was he a busboy? A pantry chef? An expediter? Doesn't really say...

You, and others, seem to want to take what was apparently an accurate, if not less-than-optimally-worded post and interpret it as an attack. I didn't see it that way.

My guess is Mr. Weiss is probably a pretty solid chef. I wouldn't hire him for $1 to run a PR campaign, but I'm guessing he doesn't want that job anyway

For someone who said: "Why is it of interest?" You sure have done a lot of digging.

brk-lnt · 01-29-2014, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

For someone who said: "Why is it of interest?" You sure have done a lot of digging.

Literally 7 minutes spent.
Pop his name in Google, first match is Facebook account.
Under Education is the culinary school link, click that, look at their info and albums. 2 "graduate albums". Couple of other generic searches, and you have basic data.

If other people did any amount of digging or fact checking before spouting off this thread would probably be a lot shorter.

upthesaukee · 01-29-2014, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by brk-lnt

His Facebook page lists him as a graduate of the 2013 class, I would say that seems fairly recent, certainly less than a year.

If you look at the Facebook page from where he got his culinary degree, they have an album for a December 2012 class, and an album for an August 2013 class. If he was in fact in the August 2013 class that would be VERY recent.

"Experience from California to Connecticut" is pretty vague, you have to admit. Was he a busboy? A pantry chef? An expediter? Doesn't really say...

You, and others, seem to want to take what was apparently an accurate, if not less-than-optimally-worded post and interpret it as an attack. I didn't see it that way.

My guess is Mr. Weiss is probably a pretty solid chef. I wouldn't hire him for $1 to run a PR campaign, but I'm guessing he doesn't want that job anyway

Our young chef may have worked in family owned restaurants like so many you chefs start out... Not necessarily put onto a job history. No need to get the child labor police looking at the fact a kids works with the family for 10-12 hours per day, 5-7 days a week.

Regardless, I wish the lad well. Hope it is a success.

I hope now we can get back to food discussions, and realize that perhaps the chef-owner of the Woodland Tavern will get back to cooking, and leave the tartness out of his food...and his posts.

brk-lnt · 01-29-2014, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by upthesaukee

Our young chef may have worked in family owned restaurants like so many you chefs start out... Not necessarily put onto a job history.

The original post really only called attention to the fact he was a recent graduate, it didn't really get into his exact experience, though I'll admit it did *imply* a certain limited amount of experience, if you want to read it that way.

A followup post from another person seemed to be trying to make the point that since the highly esteemed local paper (OK, I'm being snarky

) labelled him an executive chef that seemingly worked his way coast to coast across the country that he must indeed be an accomplished individual.

You can debate the tactfulness of that original post, but I still don't think it contained any inaccurate or misleading info.

Bigstan · 01-29-2014, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alton Lady

The point to be taken from the article is that Mr. McGuff has experience in restaurants from California to Connecticut. Mr Weiss claims that Mr McGuff just graduated from culinary school and lacks experience.

I never agreed with the first time poster is not allowed to have a negative 1st post theory, but really (I'm gonna be that guy in this case) ..... your first 8 posts are all from today, and 5 are on this subject. Your affiliation with the (ex / current ?) Lavinias folks is what exactly? That one exists is pretty much obvious. If I am wrong then you need to lighten up - you read way too much into things and are overly sensitive.

I liked Lavinias, but I think it's questionable to have a 'Drink the Bar Dry' promotion, as you link to in your article, as that sends the wrong message - come drink all the booze you can as we are doing renovations (booze doesn't have a shelf life in their location for some reason?).

I'll join the club that Eric was a tad bit uncouth with his original post, but I don't doubt his intent - I liken it to somthing like a master plumber - just because you graduated from a trade school does not make you an expert, you have to earn that. Eric obviously feels strongly enough about his qualifications that he seeked to educate us (albeit in a quasi-questionable fashion), but the intent of being educational is obvious to me.

I loved the William Tell Inn, and I loved the old Lavinias, I hope the new Lavinias has a great run as well. Went to Woodlands once for dinner and once for apps and drinks, and walked away happy both times. Not overly wowed, but happy that a place like that is half a mile from me and gives me an Ellacoya alternative - it's different and a solid value that is also right next door.

Let this thread die already.....the guy didn't have ill intentions, take him at his word and move on.

Lavinias Chef · 02-07-2014, 12:35 PM

Figured I would chime in here, being the chef with the burning ears. I’d love to introduce myself to the Winnipesaukee community — I hope to serve you for a long time! My name is Brendan McGuff and I am executive chef/partner in Lavinia’s. I’ve read all the comments about my title as executive chef. Titles have never really meant much to me. Here, I simply want diners to walk away with an entertained palate, having just enjoyed our impeccable and approachable dining experience. I invite you to stop in (we reopen on Saturday) and check out the fresh and local flavors of our enhanced menu. Feel free to tell me about your experiences here, and always be sure to say hello!

Check out some pictures from our kitchen renovation and house cleaning: https://www.facebook.com/LaviniasDining

Best,
Brendan McGuff,
Lavinia's

Happy Gourmand · 02-07-2014, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lavinias Chef

Figured I would chime in here, being the chef with the burning ears. I’d love to introduce myself to the Winnipesaukee community — I hope to serve you for a long time! My name is Brendan McGuff and I am executive chef/partner in Lavinia’s. I’ve read all the comments about my title as executive chef. Titles have never really meant much to me. Here, I simply want diners to walk away with an entertained palate, having just enjoyed our impeccable and approachable dining experience. I invite you to stop in (we reopen on Saturday) and check out the fresh and local flavors of our enhanced menu. Feel free to tell me about your experiences here, and always be sure to say hello!

Check out some pictures from our kitchen renovation and house cleaning: https://www.facebook.com/LaviniasDining

Best,
Brendan McGuff,
Lavinia's

Nice intro. Welcome to the forum and good luck with Lavinia's. I think you are in a great spot. I am anxious to dine with you, though it won't be till late spring or summer.
I'll be the guy who orders a slightly dirty vodka martini, 3 olives, please.

Lavinias Chef · 02-07-2014, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Phantom Gourmand

Nice intro. Welcome to the forum and good luck with Lavinia's. I think you are in a great spot. I am anxious to dine with you, though it won't be till late spring or summer.
I'll be the guy who orders a slightly dirty vodka martini, 3 olives, please.

We can't wait to make you that drink!

Billy Bob · 02-07-2014, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lavinias Chef

Figured I would chime in here, being the chef with the burning ears. I’d love to introduce myself to the Winnipesaukee community — I hope to serve you for a long time! My name is Brendan McGuff and I am executive chef/partner in Lavinia’s. I’ve read all the comments about my title as executive chef. Titles have never really meant much to me. Here, I simply want diners to walk away with an entertained palate, having just enjoyed our impeccable and approachable dining experience. I invite you to stop in (we reopen on Saturday) and check out the fresh and local flavors of our enhanced menu. Feel free to tell me about your experiences here, and always be sure to say hello!

Check out some pictures from our kitchen renovation and house cleaning: https://www.facebook.com/LaviniasDining

Best,
Brendan McGuff,
Lavinia's

Well I don't know how the food will be but I have one word for you response after all that was written " CLASS "
good luck

SteveA · 02-07-2014, 01:56 PM

Humm.. tempest in a Stock Pot!

Lavinias Chef · 02-07-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Bob

Well I don't know how the food will be but I have one word for you response after all that was written " CLASS "
good luck

We appreciate your comment very much. We plan on being a part of the Lakes Region dining community for a long time to come and cannot wait to meet you and everyone else who loves this area as much as we have come to.

belly_button_biter · 02-07-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lavinias Chef

Figured I would chime in here, being the chef with the burning ears. I’d love to introduce myself to the Winnipesaukee community — I hope to serve you for a long time! My name is Brendan McGuff and I am executive chef/partner in Lavinia’s. I’ve read all the comments about my title as executive chef. Titles have never really meant much to me. Here, I simply want diners to walk away with an entertained palate, having just enjoyed our impeccable and approachable dining experience. I invite you to stop in (we reopen on Saturday) and check out the fresh and local flavors of our enhanced menu. Feel free to tell me about your experiences here, and always be sure to say hello!

Check out some pictures from our kitchen renovation and house cleaning: https://www.facebook.com/LaviniasDining

Best,
Brendan McGuff,
Lavinia's

Welcome to the forum. I was hoping you would show up. You too have referenced your self as an executive chef. Is this a self proclaimed or certified title?

Wishing you the best at a location with a bit of a checkered recent past.

jetskier · 02-07-2014, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by belly_button_biter

Welcome to the forum. I was hoping you would show up. You too have referenced your self as an executive chef. Is this a self proclaimed or certified title?

Wishing you the best at a location with a bit of a checkered recent past.

Enough with the title nonsense...virtually no one cares. It is all about the food.

Can someone post a menu...we will certainly give the restaurant a try.

Jetskier

BroadHopper · 02-07-2014, 03:34 PM

Let your mouth buds be the judge. To each his or her own.

I will try Lavinia when I am in your 'neck o' the woods'.

Whatever his chef title is, if the food is good, its OK by me.

Lavinias Chef · 02-07-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jetskier

Enough with the title nonsense...virtually no one cares. It is all about the food.

Can someone post a menu...we will certainly give the restaurant a try.

Jetskier

We are just putting the finishing touches on the new menu and will post it later today!

Lavinias Chef · 02-08-2014, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lavinias Chef

We are just putting the finishing touches on the new menu and will post it later today!

Here's the menu beginning tonight:
http://on.fb.me/1lcqCYh

belly_button_biter · 02-07-2014, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jetskier

Enough with the title nonsense...virtually no one cares. It is all about the food.

Can someone post a menu...we will certainly give the restaurant a try.

Jetskier

"Nonsense.. no body cares" perhaps those who take the time to write about a pool-bar selling frozen precooked to reheat by line cook food as a positive don't care about titles. I care about credentials. Especially in this case as a short time ago I had such a bad experience at this restaurant that I swore off the $100 dinner for 2. A certified chef would excite me enough to try it again.

I've heard all kinds of rumors. I posed the question to the chef with hopes of clarification.

blacksheep · 02-07-2014, 08:30 PM

Brendan, my husband and I can't wait to come visit and try your menu. We've been following your renovation progress on facebook and the kitchen looks beautiful! Congratulations on your new venture - you've got a fantastic spot! Keep walking in dignity, and respect will continue to follow you.

Bumble2249 · 02-07-2014, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by belly_button_biter

"Nonsense.. no body cares" perhaps those who take the time to write about a pool-bar selling frozen precooked to reheat by line cook food as a positive don't care about titles. I care about credentials. Especially in this case as a short time ago I had such a bad experience at this restaurant that I swore off the $100 dinner for 2. A certified chef would excite me enough to try it again.

I've heard all kinds of rumors. I posed the question to the chef with hopes of clarification.

Just try it again. I'm sure the additional visit will be worth the $100. Just my opinion..

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Alton Lady · 02-07-2014, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lavinias Chef

Figured I would chime in here, being the chef with the burning ears. I’d love to introduce myself to the Winnipesaukee community — I hope to serve you for a long time! My name is Brendan McGuff and I am executive chef/partner in Lavinia’s. I’ve read all the comments about my title as executive chef. Titles have never really meant much to me. Here, I simply want diners to walk away with an entertained palate, having just enjoyed our impeccable and approachable dining experience. I invite you to stop in (we reopen on Saturday) and check out the fresh and local flavors of our enhanced menu. Feel free to tell me about your experiences here, and always be sure to say hello!

Check out some pictures from our kitchen renovation and house cleaning: https://www.facebook.com/LaviniasDining

Best,
Brendan McGuff,
Lavinia's

Wishing you much success!

MissSmall · 02-07-2014, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lavinias Chef

Figured I would chime in here, being the chef with the burning ears. I’d love to introduce myself to the Winnipesaukee community — I hope to serve you for a long time! My name is Brendan McGuff and I am executive chef/partner in Lavinia’s. I’ve read all the comments about my title as executive chef. Titles have never really meant much to me. Here, I simply want diners to walk away with an entertained palate, having just enjoyed our impeccable and approachable dining experience. I invite you to stop in (we reopen on Saturday) and check out the fresh and local flavors of our enhanced menu. Feel free to tell me about your experiences here, and always be sure to say hello!

Check out some pictures from our kitchen renovation and house cleaning: https://www.facebook.com/LaviniasDining

Best,
Brendan McGuff,
Lavinia's

Wishing you much success and so looking forward to visiting you in the coming weeks!

Den65 · 02-07-2014, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lavinias Chef

Figured I would chime in here, being the chef with the burning ears. I’d love to introduce myself to the Winnipesaukee community — I hope to serve you for a long time! My name is Brendan McGuff and I am executive chef/partner in Lavinia’s. I’ve read all the comments about my title as executive chef. Titles have never really meant much to me. Here, I simply want diners to walk away with an entertained palate, having just enjoyed our impeccable and approachable dining experience. I invite you to stop in (we reopen on Saturday) and check out the fresh and local flavors of our enhanced menu. Feel free to tell me about your experiences here, and always be sure to say hello!

Check out some pictures from our kitchen renovation and house cleaning: https://www.facebook.com/LaviniasDining

Best,
Brendan McGuff,
Lavinia's

Looking forward to dinning with you I'm walking distance away.Love the bar area and the outside patio in the summer. Good luck . Please make an OUTSTANDING Prime Rib with twice baked potato and a nice vegetable and I'll be their every time

wifi · 02-08-2014, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Den65

Looking forward to dinning with you I'm walking distance away.Love the bar area and the outside patio in the summer. Good luck . Please make an OUTSTANDING Prime Rib with twice baked potato and a nice vegetable and I'll be their every time

With the loss of the Woodshed, I'm looking for the "outstanding prime rib", fairly local to me. Would be a good niche.

goldengirl · 02-08-2014, 10:05 AM

First reaction to this thread was "ridiculous". It starts out discussing a change of hands in a restaurant and ends up focusing on one unpopular comment a member makes. The entire thread turned into an unwarranted attack on Eric for clarifying a title. Sometimes it's just best to let a comment slide.

I'd love to hear more about Lavinia's as it opens up under new ownership. And perhaps some of the more frequent commenters could take a breath before they attack and allow the forum to be a little more friendly.

SAMIAM · 02-08-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by goldengirl

First reaction to this thread was "ridiculous". It starts out discussing a change of hands in a restaurant and ends up focusing on one unpopular comment a member makes. The entire thread turned into an unwarranted attack on Eric for clarifying a title. Sometimes it's just best to let a comment slide.

I'd love to hear more about Lavinia's as it opens up under new ownership. And perhaps some of the more frequent commenters could take a breath before they attack and allow the forum to be a little more friendly.

I have to take issue with you that Eric was the victum of an "unwarranted attack".His unprovoked criticism of a fellow chef was unprofessional and disrespectful and the first time it has ever been done on this forum.
He certainly has the right to brag about his experience and accomplishments but to do it in order to demean someone else in the business was uncalled for.

Bumble2249 · 02-07-2014, 09:06 PM

New to posting...sorry!

Bumble2249 · 02-10-2014, 05:15 PM

The lobster pound has an unbelievable prime rib meal on Sat nights!

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wifi · 02-10-2014, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bumble2249

The lobster pound has an unbelievable prime rib meal on Sat nights!

It would be great if it was every night, like the Woodshed had...

I would like to go on a whim, not on a specified night.

Sue Doe-Nym · 02-28-2014, 09:54 PM

We decided to try the new Lavinia's tonight. The ambiance was wonderful, but the menu was limited and the prices quite high, we thought. I was not in the mood for a burger, a pork sandwich, or fish and chips. A yummy seafood casserole would have hit the spot. The place is lovely, but I think they need to work on a more varied and affordable menu. A $16 burger is a bit much.....
we do, however, wish the new folks luck. We'll try it again when the ground thaws.

blacksheep · 12-17-2014, 09:16 PM

Posting tonight on Lavinia's FB page advertising 'two drinks for $5 and $1.50 pork tacos. Can you beat the 15 taco challenge?' Omg what has happened to Lavina's? I know the winter can be tough, but this grand dam deserves more dignity that THIS. Sad to see this.

Bumble2249 · 12-17-2014, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blacksheep

Posting tonight on Lavinia's FB page advertising 'two drinks for $5 and $1.50 pork tacos. Can you beat the 15 taco challenge?' Omg what has happened to Lavina's? I know the winter can be tough, but this grand dam deserves more dignity that THIS. Sad to see this.

I think it's a great angle for this time of year. The tacos just so your aware, are not your avg taco either. Slow braised shredded pork. Fantastic.

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Major · 12-18-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by blacksheep

Posting tonight on Lavinia's FB page advertising 'two drinks for $5 and $1.50 pork tacos. Can you beat the 15 taco challenge?' Omg what has happened to Lavina's? I know the winter can be tough, but this grand dam deserves more dignity that THIS. Sad to see this.

Since when is it undignified to provide awesome value? We all know the restaurant biz is tough in the winter in the Lakes Region. I think it's smart business for Lavinia's to entice people into their restaurant who otherwise would never go.

Pine Island Guy · 12-18-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blacksheep

Posting tonight on Lavinia's FB page advertising 'two drinks for $5 and $1.50 pork tacos. Can you beat the 15 taco challenge?' Omg what has happened to Lavina's? I know the winter can be tough, but this grand dam deserves more dignity that THIS. Sad to see this.

I say it's a great venue and a great deal... why question it... let's eat, drink, and be merry!!

nom nom nom -PIG

SAMIAM · 12-19-2014, 09:14 AM

Once again,Blacksheep makes a dig at Lavinia's.......wonder if there might be a reason.
Hmmmmm

CGI3 · 12-19-2014, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Once again,Blacksheep makes a dig at Lavinia's.......wonder if there might be a reason.
Hmmmmm

Blacksheep, did your husband used to work at Lavinia's when the food was incredibly "out of this world"??...And now working at Lago's??

blacksheep · 12-26-2014, 09:04 PM

It's no secret that my husband and I had a connection to Lavinia's - not a secret on this page, nor is it a secret to SAMIAM, who is also vested in her best interest, as he owns the building. However, if you read the entire thread you'll see that I've offered as much SUPPORT as I have criticism. Chef McGuff knows exactly who I am when, and if, he cares to read my posts. I am not alone in expressing that it seems that Lavinia's needs to figure out who she wants to be; fine dining, casual, pub-focused, or an all-you-can eat taco bar where you can also fill up on cheap drinks. She pops up on my FB feed from time to time - we still care about the restaurant and want to see it be successful, particularly b/c we know it can be done. I don't say anything here that I wouldn't say directly to Brandon if we were in the same room. Happy New Year.

Bumble2249 · 12-26-2014, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blacksheep

It's no secret that my husband and I had a connection to Lavinia's - not a secret on this page, nor is it a secret to SAMIAM, who is also vested in her best interest, as he owns the building. However, if you read the entire thread you'll see that I've offered as much SUPPORT as I have criticism. Chef McGuff knows exactly who I am when, and if, he cares to read my posts. I am not alone in expressing that it seems that Lavinia's needs to figure out who she wants to be; fine dining, casual, pub-focused, or an all-you-can eat taco bar where you can also fill up on cheap drinks. She pops up on my FB feed from time to time - we still care about the restaurant and want to see it be successful, particularly b/c we know it can be done. I don't say anything here that I wouldn't say directly to Brandon if we were in the same room. Happy New Year.

I think their multi faceted approach to dining in general is genius. Nothing to figure out at all.

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Bumble2249 · 02-18-2014, 10:06 AM

Hey guys it was my opinion... You ever have an opinion that wasn't necessarily someone else's? Thats why I thought the word exists in the first place!? I believe I said "opinion" not "guarantee" I happen to like the place. The food is great! Unfortunately there is and always will be restaurants that don't necessarily "fit" everybody's budget. ;(

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06-04-2013, 12:18 PM	#1
Lakesrider Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,129 Thanks: 380 Thanked 1,016 Times in 345 Posts	Lavinia's So my wife took me out for my Birthday last night. we were going to go to Mame's but my wife had looked online and it said they were closed on Mondays. (Found later that Last night was the first night they were now open on Mondays for the Summer. DOH! So we went to Lavinia's. Ate in the pub section, corner table. Had Scott as the server. Great guy. Very friendly, which is always nice when you go out to eat. I have to say there was hardly anyone in the whole place. I had the Kobe Beef Meatloaf and my wife had the Salmon something or other. Wife said hers was great and the meatloaf was as well. Had two drinks and Scott brought out my cheesecake with a candle stuck into it. He refused to sing though stating it was his voice and would not be too entertaining. So I blew out my candle and had the cheesecake which was also very good. (I wished Scott could get a better singing voice. See how unselfish I am....) So all in all a very nice quiet birthday dinner with my wife. As we were leaving we were the only ones there so I was nice and told them they could all go home now that we were leaving...

06-04-2013, 08:10 PM	#3
LongBay Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 151 Thanks: 43 Thanked 61 Times in 35 Posts	Lavinia's We enjoyed Lavinia's as well. We have gone there twice so far this season, both on Saturdays. The waitress we had was very nice and attentive. Food was very good and the stuffed olives they put in my drink were phat.

06-05-2013, 07:47 AM	#4
Winnisquamguy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Winnisquam, NH Posts: 613 Thanks: 419 Thanked 163 Times in 115 Posts	I have been twice and no complaints here. Great food and atmosphere.Bar area is a little small if you have a large party and need to wait 30 minutes or so.Its all good! __________________ "I'd rather be ridin than rolling"

06-05-2013, 10:50 AM	#6
phoenix Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: phoenix and moultonboro Posts: 1,520 Thanks: 58 Thanked 266 Times in 187 Posts	They have a few outside tables with view of lake on a nice summers evening I have been a few times over last year and have never been disappointed __________________ it's tough to make predictions specially about the future

07-23-2013, 09:29 AM	#8
JanN Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 43 Thanks: 174 Thanked 20 Times in 11 Posts	Loved Lavinia's Had a wonderful dining experience at Lavinia's last evening--food, service and atmosphere all tops! Husband had the Lobster Pot Pie and I had the New England Seafood Casserole--we couldn't believe how much seafood there was, especially lobster! Everyone was so pleasant--most enjoyable! We have always loved The Corner House and have gone there every year for 30+ years, including this year, on our Meredith vacation, but we may have found a new favorite. Will definitely go back, maybe as soon as this week with friends, before going home

06-04-2013, 01:06 PM	#2
Natt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 120 Thanks: 125 Thanked 30 Times in 23 Posts	Lavinia's We have been consistently pleased with Lavinia's including a recent rehearsal dinner gig.

06-05-2013, 08:21 AM	#5
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,837 Thanks: 326 Thanked 1,626 Times in 562 Posts	Definately have to give Luke credit for hanging in there all winter open 7 days a week when everyone else was cutting back to save money. The food and service have been excellent and we've heard nothing but compliments from friends that have been there.

06-05-2013, 05:00 PM	#7
Lakesrider Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,129 Thanks: 380 Thanked 1,016 Times in 345 Posts	We noticed the outside tables and wondered how the bugs were, but I tell you it smelled great out there. I think the lilacs were in bloom or something, plus you could smell the smells coming out of the kitchen as the door was open back there when we left. I gave the cook a thumbs up too.

11-09-2013, 09:47 AM	#9
Life is Wild Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 28 Thanks: 22 Thanked 16 Times in 9 Posts	Reading between the lines... Wednesday evening at Lavinia's was a very nice experience, with a corner table in the pub and some live music by a lovely lady who, according to me, sounds like a cross between the Indigo Girls, Stevie Nicks and someone else who I can't put my finger on, but my wife didn't think my musical analysis was very accurate. She also liked the music, though. The waitress's knowledge of beer was excellent, which perked up my rating of the place by several notches because there is nothing I hate more than asking what kind of dark, but not too dark, beer is on tap and being told, "Budweiser." Unfortunately, not enough places in NH serve Yeungling lager from Pennsylvania yet, but in the past ten years its distribution has expanded from just PA and a bit of NY all the way DOWN the east coast into the Florida Keys, and I have strong faith that it will climb north soon. I think Sam Adams is putting on some sort of blocking maneuver down around Boston though, which is a problem. (My wife had a blueberry beer, but we won't talk about that.) While I wasn't overjoyed with the selection of steaks on the menu, seeing only two choices and opting for the cheaper flank steak at $25, I did think it was a very nice piece of beef and done exactly as I ordered it. Mame's has a better selection, and better prices, but the Woodshed is my favorite steak and prime rib place around, so far... Reading between the lines, I felt that there is an underlying nervousness about the place. From the greeting at the door to the attentive service, all friendly and competent, it is just a feeling I get in restaurants when a manager is uncomfortable, new or worried. Overall, to the average joe, the evening was great, but to my attentive, wannabe special agent, ear to the ground, intuitive and highly irrelevant, mostly useless ability to feel the mojo of a place, I didn't feel 100% at home at Lavinia's. However, we will go back on Wednesday nights because other than the aura, everything was fantastic and live music from a corner crooner with a guitar on her knee and a waitress who knows about beer and a chef who knows how to cook trumps everything else. And by the way, in the car on the way home, my wife did not agree with me at all when I mentioned my theory about the aura...

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11-09-2013, 10:16 AM	#10
Newbiesaukee Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Coral Gables, winter; Long Island, summer Posts: 1,349 Thanks: 922 Thanked 569 Times in 295 Posts	I am not much on reading auras but I will be happy to give my 1 cent on analyzing and interpreting your aura ( it is not worth 2 cents, the analysis, that is.) As with many places in the Lakes Region, most of the staff is, more or less, relatively inexperienced. To Lukes credit, he tries very hard to train the staff, including management. This is great and the staff tries hard and usually succeeds. But this relative inexperience coupled with trying to do well adds to the "nervousness," tentativeness, and aura you experience. It isn't really bad. Just my 1 cents worth. __________________ "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever."

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11-10-2013, 09:14 AM	#11
JanN Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 43 Thanks: 174 Thanked 20 Times in 11 Posts	Loved Lavinia's Went to Lavinia's this summer and loved everything about it--food, atmosphere and service! It was a busy night, we had a nice chat with the manager and didn't sense any "nervousness". Overall, an extremely pleasant experience and we can't wait to return on our vacation next July!

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11-11-2013, 05:44 PM	#12
blacksheep Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Plymouth, NH Posts: 63 Thanks: 98 Thanked 47 Times in 25 Posts	Responding to Life is Wild's intuitive reaction to being at Lavinia's recently - you could be picking up on the fact that the chef who was with Lavinia's since the beginning left in late summer. The front of the house manager, Brendan, who had also been on board since the beginning, also left in Sept. The current manager, Doug, came to Lavinia's in late summer from Canoe. The entire front of the house staff is new, the chef is new, and the management is new. Perhaps this explains their possibly anxious, eager to please, vibe. Last edited by blacksheep; 01-29-2014 at 05:43 PM.

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12-03-2013, 05:00 PM	#14
blacksheep Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Plymouth, NH Posts: 63 Thanks: 98 Thanked 47 Times in 25 Posts	I heard the news today that Luke D sold Lavinia's. I don't know the new owner, but aparently he's a local electrician and his son is a recent culinary school graduate. I wish them the best of luck - it's a beautiful spot, and the life that has been breathed into the business in the last two years has really made her shine. Looking forward to seeing what changes are put in place - always fun to see how the young and creative make their mark! Can't wait to see what they offer for New Year's Eve.

12-04-2013, 04:41 PM	#16
Greene's Basin Girl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 1,515 Thanks: 394 Thanked 527 Times in 269 Posts	I spoke with the Lavina's manager ( Doug ) this afternoon. He told me that the sale of the restaurant will most likely be finalized next week. He also told me that Luke will stay involved with the new owner's during a transition period. I spoke to him about the Woodshed. He said all the local restaurants are trying to help the displaced employee's. Lavinia has a opening for one full time kitchen employee at this time. The restaurant had also picked up a few of the Woodshed's upcoming functions.

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12-04-2013, 09:32 PM	#17
blacksheep Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Plymouth, NH Posts: 63 Thanks: 98 Thanked 47 Times in 25 Posts	It's nice to see the greater community of restaurants rallying around the Woodshed crew. Lavinia's is a beautiful spot for a holiday function. It will be interesting to see the evolution of the new owners, and their spin. We wish them the best of luck.

12-05-2013, 04:17 PM	#18
jetskier Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Reading, MA and South Down Shores Posts: 850 Thanks: 57 Thanked 183 Times in 114 Posts	Lavinia's Hi all, It is nice to see everyone rallying around the Woodshed. My advice to the new owner of Lavinia's is to focus on being more consistent. We found that Lavinia's varied wildly over several visits. We had some terrific dining experiences and some really poor dining experiences. Specifically: Focus on the serving staff especially during the turn over periods. We went to Lavinia's during a turnover period and the service was awful...parts of the order were completely forgotten and the waiter left us sitting for extended periods. Focus on consistent food quality. Again, this was often good and sometimes a big disaster. We tried the lobster pie once and it was essentially gruel. There are lots of restaurants in the area, focus on your differentiation. Personally, I think that there is a dearth of good high end restaurants. I hope that Lavinia's has great success under the new ownership and we will certainly give them a try after the transition period. Jetskier

12-06-2013, 11:20 AM	#19
Rattler Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Agree wholeheartedly with Jetskier. Went to Lavinia's early last summer, had a great meal, and declared Lavinia's as my go-to "high end" dining spot in the area. (BTW, there aren't many to choose from...) Took some friends there later in the summer, bragging about food quality, service, etc., and was disappointed to the extent that I apologized to them about giving the place such a build up. Tried one more time this fall (without friends) and was again disappointed. Lots of potential there but needs much more consistency.

01-27-2014, 06:04 PM	#20
Den65 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 118 Thanks: 37 Thanked 149 Times in 46 Posts	Lavinia's closed for 2 weeks Heard Lavinia's has closed for 2 weeks starting Saturday 1/25 to redo the kitchen and I guess change the name and get ready to re-launch. I have heard that new owner is an executive chef can't wait to try it. Hope they don't change the bar area, love it.

01-27-2014, 07:53 PM	#21
Eric Weiss Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 17 Thanks: 15 Thanked 24 Times in 3 Posts	the "Chef" is a recent culinary grad... he is nowhere near Executive Chef status or level... I am.. 30 years experience, 3 countries, 4 states in everything from pubs to running 4 star, 300+ bedroom hotel restaurant and catering division... that makes an Executive Chef. Sorry to rag, and dont intend to offend the new owners, but...., ive earned the right to be called Executive Chef, the newbie is a Chef Di Partie with a bit of education.

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01-28-2014, 04:24 AM	#23
Newbiesaukee Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Coral Gables, winter; Long Island, summer Posts: 1,349 Thanks: 922 Thanked 569 Times in 295 Posts	Although I am not usually part of the spelling police, when the issue seems to be on the nuances of chef designations and education, it is Chef de Partie, not Chef Di Partie. __________________ "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever."

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01-28-2014, 05:00 AM	#24
wifi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 1,321 Thanks: 282 Thanked 287 Times in 169 Posts	Let the hazing begin .....

01-28-2014, 07:19 AM	#25
blacksheep Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Plymouth, NH Posts: 63 Thanks: 98 Thanked 47 Times in 25 Posts	The new owner is fortunate to have family support and financial backing, both things he will need in order to successfully run Lavinia's. Those of us who were involved in Lavinia's most recent reincarnation (over the past few years) wish him nothing but the best and are excited for his re-launch so we can visit and show our support. Word to the wise to Eric W - arrogant, tempemental reactive chefs are a dime a dozen - so common they are cliche. A dose of humility and a word of encouragement to this enthusiastic, fortunate kid might do you good. Someone else's success is no threat to your own. Peace.

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01-28-2014, 07:41 AM	#26
phoenix Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: phoenix and moultonboro Posts: 1,520 Thanks: 58 Thanked 266 Times in 187 Posts	In reality all I care about is good food at reasonable prices. I don't ever remember checking a chefs diploma before I ate at a restaurant __________________ it's tough to make predictions specially about the future

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01-28-2014, 08:15 AM	#27
Happy Gourmand Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ruskin FL Posts: 1,025 Thanks: 187 Thanked 322 Times in 179 Posts	New chef If I read this correctly, the NEW CHEF did not claim the title of Executive Chef, a poster did, perhaps making some assumptions. Let's all give this new Chef de Partie a break and wish him well. Executive Chef, Sous Chef, Chef de Partie, Great Cook.....all just titles....who really cares.... the proof is in the pudding and what is put on the plate.