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Old 11-23-2020, 09:36 AM   #101
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The upsetting hypocrisy is that most of those people came from a state with higher Covid numbers that has banned NH visitors.

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Bingo. "Hypocrisy" is the key. It's bad enough having to listen to all this coming from NH "authorities", but when the out of state people start preaching their "holier than thou" compliance protocols while sitting in the State of NH, that's the epitome of hypocrisy.
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You should tell that to the hundreds of out of staters that were climbing Mt. Major on Saturday.
Yes, this is a good point, and I would tell it to in-staters as well. One thing that too many people on both sides of the political spectrum have in common is the willingness to forget about the numbers when it suits them. "I have to protest for an important cause" is not much different than "Nobody's going to tell me to stay away from that bike rally", or "But Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday".
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Hypothetical journey Moultonborough to any town, MA via Everett and 3: the authorities can check EZ pass records, but only to state line as there aren’t any tolls once you’re in MA. Therefore, one could claim a visit to someone in Nashua, for instance. Once you have crossed into MA, however, are we expected to produce a negative COVID result? Will they put up roadblocks for out of state vehicles? Random stops? Sheesh! This is making Marie Callender entrees sound better and better. Seriously...does anyone know what to expect? Thanks.
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Hypothetical journey Moultonborough to any town, MA via Everett and 3: the authorities can check EZ pass records, but only to state line as there aren’t any tolls once you’re in MA. Therefore, one could claim a visit to someone in Nashua, for instance. Once you have crossed into MA, however, are we expected to produce a negative COVID result? Will they put up roadblocks for out of state vehicles? Random stops? Sheesh! This is making Marie Callender entrees sound better and better. Seriously...does anyone know what to expect? Thanks.
You can invite FLL over and you can eat outside like the pilgrims.
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Gentlemen...? Please stop. Please return to the recent post asking what to expect after crossing the state line. Thank you.. (#106)
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Hypothetical journey Moultonborough to any town, MA via Everett and 3: the authorities can check EZ pass records, but only to state line as there aren’t any tolls once you’re in MA. Therefore, one could claim a visit to someone in Nashua, for instance. Once you have crossed into MA, however, are we expected to produce a negative COVID result? Will they put up roadblocks for out of state vehicles? Random stops? Sheesh! This is making Marie Callender entrees sound better and better. Seriously...does anyone know what to expect? Thanks.
I recommend the turkey pot pie. Yum !
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Gentlemen...? Please stop. Please return to the recent post asking what to expect after crossing the state line. Thank you.. (#106)
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Sorry, friend.

In any case, as someone who lives in NH and works in MA, I've been thinking a lot about my own activities. For example, I was supposed to get my hair cut and grab some egg nog at a local farm where I grew up, but I'm not supposed to.

On the one hand, there's no way to really enforce it and, honestly, it's annoying since I come from a state with lower numbers.

On the other hand, I don't want to be part of the problem.

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Sorry, friend—just trying to point out what DEJ was doing when he tagged me in a few subsequent posts.

In any case, as someone who lives in NH and works in MA, I've been thinking a lot about my own activities. For example, I was supposed to get my hair cut and grab some egg nog at a local farm where I grew up, but I'm not supposed to.

On the one hand, there's no way to really enforce it and, honestly, it's annoying since I come from a state with lower numbers.

On the other hand, I don't want to be part of the problem.

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I hear you....it’s a dilemma, for sure. We are being reasonably careful. We’ll be tested at Huggins today, and drive to MA Thursday if tests are negative. Pain in the derričre, but we feel it’s the least we can do. Happy Thanksgiving to all, wherever you land....even if Marie C is your chef!
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I hear you....it’s a dilemma, for sure. We are being reasonably careful. We’ll be tested at Huggins today, and drive to MA Thursday if tests are negative. Pain in the derričre, but we feel it’s the least we can do. Happy Thanksgiving to all, wherever you land....even if Marie C is your chef!
I forgot to add a couple things: because of my recent close contact with students who either tested positive or were close contacts of students who tested positive, I'm to be "rapidly tested" at school tomorrow.

This also means that my in-laws will not be joining us for Thanksgiving, which my wife is terribly disappointed by.

It's definitely a year to find solace in the little things—we baked sugar cookies as a family the other night, which was wonderful.

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Indeed.

While wearing a mask, maintaining social distancing and washing / sanitizing your hands is mildly annoying, none of these actions cut as deeply into our human psyche as does avoiding close contact in our homes or elsewhere with friends and loved ones.

People are by nature social creatures, and being told / forced to not get close to anyone other than members of your immediate household can cause great distress, anxiety and resentment.

Consider this coming Thanksgiving: those who invite friends or family over for dinner, drinks and companionship could be inviting Covid-19 into their homes as well, or if they are asymptomatic carriers they could infect their guests.

While I'd rather not live in fear it is of first priority to me that I continue to live.
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Hope your test is negative tomorrow think.
Going to be a different Thanksgiving at the DEJ house this year also, no family, just the two of us. Seems like the responsible thing to do at least for us anyway.
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Fortunately, my test was negative, but it's been kinda crazy these last couple of days with all the new positives in my school and community.

I'm hoping we see a decline in cases soon after the holidays—the summer and early fall were (mostly) tolerable, but November has been stressful.

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Hypothetical journey Moultonborough to any town, MA via Everett and 3: the authorities can check EZ pass records, but only to state line as there aren’t any tolls once you’re in MA. Therefore, one could claim a visit to someone in Nashua, for instance. Once you have crossed into MA, however, are we expected to produce a negative COVID result? Will they put up roadblocks for out of state vehicles? Random stops? Sheesh! This is making Marie Callender entrees sound better and better. Seriously...does anyone know what to expect? Thanks.
Hi Sue,

You will not see or experience anything different crossing between Mass and NH. There are no police, no checkpoints, or anything like that. Happy trails!
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You will not see or experience anything different crossing between Mass and NH. There are no police, no checkpoints, or anything like that. Happy trails!
Is this the same regardless of where you travel in New England? We have a trip planned to an Airbnb in Maine immediately after Christmas (spending two nights in ME). We will leave CT Saturday, 12/26, traveling I95 through MA/NH into ME. We're trying to do the right thing by getting tested beforehand. Thing is, getting the test done within 72 hours of the day we arrive in ME seems problematic. That would require getting tested on Thursday, December 24 (if we even can on that day - Xmas eve) and hoping to get results by Saturday morning before we leave. That seems to be an iffy proposition given (1) all the other people probably trying to get tested then for the same reasons we are and (2) the fact that things could be slower due to holiday staff shortages and shutdowns. Wife says we should get tested on Monday, December 21 (to ensure that we get the tests back) but that wouldn't comply with the 72-hour rule. I guess the fall back would be that we do NOT get tested at all and simply not go anywhere when in Maine (self-quarantine). But sitting around a house isn't why we signed up to go there - - we could do that in CT.

Any suggestions? We want to do the right thing but if we can't do it perfectly, is anyone really checking?
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You will not see or experience anything different crossing between Mass and NH. There are no police, no checkpoints, or anything like that. Happy trails!
Amazingly easy trip one way....hardly any traffic....just heavy rain. Hope it’s as easy on the return trip. Thanks for your comments, Flying
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Is this the same regardless of where you travel in New England? We have a trip planned to an Airbnb in Maine immediately after Christmas (spending two nights in ME). We will leave CT Saturday, 12/26, traveling I95 through MA/NH into ME. We're trying to do the right thing by getting tested beforehand. Thing is, getting the test done within 72 hours of the day we arrive in ME seems problematic. That would require getting tested on Thursday, December 24 (if we even can on that day - Xmas eve) and hoping to get results by Saturday morning before we leave. That seems to be an iffy proposition given (1) all the other people probably trying to get tested then for the same reasons we are and (2) the fact that things could be slower due to holiday staff shortages and shutdowns. Wife says we should get tested on Monday, December 21 (to ensure that we get the tests back) but that wouldn't comply with the 72-hour rule. I guess the fall back would be that we do NOT get tested at all and simply not go anywhere when in Maine (self-quarantine). But sitting around a house isn't why we signed up to go there - - we could do that in CT.

Any suggestions? We want to do the right thing but if we can't do it perfectly, is anyone really checking?
I know there are no checkpoints on the road between Mass and Maine. I don't know what you will find on arrival in Maine--I have heard that people have been met with a chilly reception at some inns.

On the "right" thing to do--I think we need to recognize that some of the rules are good in spirit, but need to be adapted to reality. The COVID test is a good example. I think you should be tested as late as possible while still allowing time to receive your result before departure. But that may not match the letter of the law or get you past a hotel clerk.
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Is this the same regardless of where you travel in New England? We have a trip planned to an Airbnb in Maine immediately after Christmas (spending two nights in ME). We will leave CT Saturday, 12/26, traveling I95 through MA/NH into ME. We're trying to do the right thing by getting tested beforehand. Thing is, getting the test done within 72 hours of the day we arrive in ME seems problematic. That would require getting tested on Thursday, December 24 (if we even can on that day - Xmas eve) and hoping to get results by Saturday morning before we leave. That seems to be an iffy proposition given (1) all the other people probably trying to get tested then for the same reasons we are and (2) the fact that things could be slower due to holiday staff shortages and shutdowns. Wife says we should get tested on Monday, December 21 (to ensure that we get the tests back) but that wouldn't comply with the 72-hour rule. I guess the fall back would be that we do NOT get tested at all and simply not go anywhere when in Maine (self-quarantine). But sitting around a house isn't why we signed up to go there - - we could do that in CT.

Any suggestions? We want to do the right thing but if we can't do it perfectly, is anyone really checking?
We were able to get tested in Wolfeboro (Huggins) and had negative results the next day. If you can schedule something similar for 12/23 in CT, hopefully you would have results in plenty of time. We printed out the results and had them in the glove compartment in case we were stopped going round trip NH to MA, but we didn’t need them. Good luck!
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Please remember that a negative test means only one thing! You are negative on the day the sample was collected. It is no guarantee that you have not picked up the virus the day of or after testing.
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Please remember that a negative test means only one thing! You are negative on the day the sample was collected. It is no guarantee that you have not picked up the virus the day of or after testing.
There was a great piece on the radio a week ago describing the "Swiss Cheese Defense" against COVID. Each thing we do to reduce transmission--testing, face masks, closing bars, etc--is like a single piece of Swiss cheese--it has holes. But if we stack multiple slices atop each other, every new slice reduces the chance of something getting through the holes. So just keep a few slices between you and COVID, and your chances are really good.
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I know there are no checkpoints on the road between Mass and Maine. I don't know what you will find on arrival in Maine--I have heard that people have been met with a chilly reception at some inns.

On the "right" thing to do--I think we need to recognize that some of the rules are good in spirit, but need to be adapted to reality. The COVID test is a good example. I think you should be tested as late as possible while still allowing time to receive your result before departure. But that may not match the letter of the law or get you past a hotel clerk.
If the hotel or inn took your money for a reservation knowing all along you were from a different state they shouldn’t have any reason to be chilly...
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Please remember that a negative test means only one thing! You are negative on the day the sample was collected. It is no guarantee that you have not picked up the virus the day of or after testing.
So why all the hubbub about getting tested?... seems like a waste of time.

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So why all the hubbub about getting tested?... seems like a waste of time.

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See 'Swiss Cheese Defense' - post 120.
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Is that Marie Callendar advertising her X-mas chocolate pies???
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Just as todays media continues to scare the hell out of most!

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How about the fallout shelters in people’s back yards? Blackout curtains?
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Yup....and the fallout shelter signs on almost every large brick building and school basement... scary times for sure!

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Yup....and the fallout shelter signs on almost every large brick building and school basement... scary times for sure!

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And so....when we mention to members of the younger generations how things were, and how so many have sacrificed over the years, we are apt to receive an eye roll or shrug for the effort. The history that you and I are talking about is not that ancient.
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Until then, the best that can be done is to try to keep it at bay.

The interim question, or course, is "Which is of higher priority: saving lives or saving the economy?"
That's not quite true. It would eventually burn itself out. As did pandemics in past history. But the death toll would be very high and it could take 5, 10 years.
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The Nikita Kruschchev era...”we will bury your children”
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Old 11-30-2020, 10:23 AM   #138
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The Nikita Kruschchev era...”we will bury your children”
No, what he said is " ...... We will bury you!" without saying anything about "your children."

To get more context and history ...... google "We will bury you!"-Wikipedia ...... and it has a good, one page history on it and shows the full paragraph quote that ends with ..... We will bury you!

That quote got tons of tv-time on the three tv-news networks during the October-1962 Cuban missile crisis. Nikita Khrushchev said it on Sunday, November 18, 1956 in Moscow at the Polish Embassy after signing a Moscow-Warsaw joint declaration.

Addressing the Western Bloc at the Polish Embassy in Moscow, Khrushchev said to them: "About the capitalist states, it doesn't depend on you whether or not we exist. If you don't like us, don't accept our invitations, and don't invite us to come see you. Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!" .... spoken in Russian and translated to English by Khrushchev's translator

The speech prompted the envoys from the twelve NATO nations: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the United Kingdom, and the United States, plus non-NATO member, Israel, to all get up and leave the room.

Later on, at the National Press Club, Washington D.C., September 16, 1959 in response to a question, Khrushchev explained: "The expression I used was distorted, and on purpose, because what was meant was not the physical burial of any people but the historical force of development. It is well known that at the present time no one social or economic system is dominant throughout the world, but that there are different systems, social systems in different countries. And those systems change. ...... "

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you ...... and maybe click on the 'shoe-banging incident' at bottom of page, as well.

Growing up, I heard and saw the inter-program tv short with Nikita Khrushchev pounding out that "We will bury you!" line probably hundreds of times and now in 2020, I sometimes will shout that to the two opponents on the other side of the net, at the start of a pickleball game ........ We will bury you! ..... ha-ha-ha. .... ..... As a 10-11 year old we would point our finger at another kid and shout "We will bury you!" with a deep threatening voice while playing different sports like volley ball, or softball, at school or at summer camp .... ..... ha-ha-ha
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I recall him (in person on TV) saying “your children” screw wiki-pedo and screw google while you’re at it.
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Just as todays media continues to scare the hell out of most!

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Uh yeah....that’s a brilliant comparison! Just like firefighters wear fire resistant gear to do their jobs but you only wear an oven mitt when you take a baking sheet out of the oven. Maybe you should stop wearing an oven mitt too! It’s all about the level of risk.


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I recall him (in person on TV) saying “your children” screw wiki-pedo and screw google while you’re at it.
Interesting that you trust your memory of over 60 years ago more than the hundreds of independently written documents of that speech.

Also interesting is that the translation is the subject of debate--not on "you" vs "your children", but on the specific threat against "you". Here's a great article that describes the controversy. https://medium.com/exploring-history...3-4a285162e2b9
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Interesting that you trust your memory of over 60 years ago more than the hundreds of independently written documents of that speech.

Also interesting is that the translation is the subject of debate--not on "you" vs "your children", but on the specific threat against "you". Here's a great article that describes the controversy. https://medium.com/exploring-history...3-4a285162e2b9
I don't know why I have such a vivid memory of the "I will bury your children"
version, but I do...whatever... I'm sticking with my version
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I don't know why I have such a vivid memory of the "I will bury your children"
version, but I do...whatever... I'm sticking with my version
I was 100% sure I saw the “greatest football game ever played” when I was in California visiting friends. I remember the room, my friends, the small black and white TV as well as Ameche into the end zone for the Colts win. I told this story many times over the years. This year, while discussing this again, I realized it was impossible for me to have been in CA in 1958 when the game was played.

I was really stunned about this memory lapse.

Despite my “superb memory” I realized that facts do matter. No matter how much we may wish otherwise.
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Mandela Effect?

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I recall him (in person on TV) saying “your children” screw wiki-pedo and screw google while you’re at it.
How about from the CIA Library, then?
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00040087-1.pdf
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How about from the CIA Library, then?
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00040087-1.pdf
Lol...I love you guys wasting your time trying to make me agree with you when in fact, I could give a ****** what you say...sheesh.
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Claim.
Refutation of claim with evidence.
Rejection of evidence.
Additional evidence.
Dismissal of topic.

Define: perfect illustration of 2020 discourse.

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Lol...I love you guys wasting your time trying to make me agree with you when in fact, I could give a ****** what you say...sheesh.
No need for you to change on anybody else's account. But it is fascinating the way you are able to deny things that appear to be undeniable fact.
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