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11-24-2019, 11:30 AM | #201 |
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South Down Shore - red alert!
Jetskier in post #202 has South Down Shores for a local location, so that immediately raises the red flag alert to his South Down motivation to criticize replacing the ugly railroad tracks with a welcome, user-friendly 12' roadway for the public to use.
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Stick to the facts.
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I see the residents along the proposed route as stakeholders in the WOW debate.
It's easy to be in favor of a proposal when there is no direct impact on you. Even if one is not directly impacted by the WOW Trail expansion, there is a tax payer implication to be considered. Just consider the Colonial Theatre project to get a sense for what may be coming next. |
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11-25-2019, 04:45 AM | #204 |
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.... it's our private way, not your public way!
South Down doesn't want the Wow Trail to happen, for pretty much the same reason it didn't want the nearby Big Island to become a summer girls camp.
Because it will change what they see, looking at their lake view, and it will bring in people who were not there, before. The Wow Trail, just like the Big Island summer girls camp would be a new, welcome, go-to place and create a beautiful public recreation venue. South Down just wants things to stay the same, no new changes-thank you, and will fight hard to keep it their way.
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Why do the WOW folks want to put an existing business out of business? Why is it the WOW folks cannot co-exist with the RR? oh wait... it is all about the $$$! The RR existence makes the WOW trail too expensive to build! Then perhaps they shouldn't build/extend the WOW trail?
Lets not forget it is the same stupid City Councilors who decided to buy the Colonial for way too much money, proceed to sink way too much into the rebuild (because HEY its good for downtown) but will not spend any $$$ addressing the parking issues downtown! On the upside, good ole Rusty can step in, renovate the apartments above the theater, and make a fortune on the tax payers of Laconia! WOOHOO! Woodsy
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Read this in your best Walter Cronkite...
In the news today... the Laconia City council voted to agree with a sham study funded by the airport, that extending the airport runway would be an economic boon to the area. Unfortunately, this will put local favorite, Patrick's out of business. Can you imagine? But that is the logic the WOW folks are pushing! Woodsy
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The answer should be extend the WOW trail up the east side of Paugus Bay all the way to the Weirs and leave the tracks alone on the west side.
There are some old tracks on the east side if they really want to pull some up. Just think of all the commercial establishments that would benefit. You keep the railroad in business plus you generate new business. Once the commercial establishments add public docks even the boaters will be happy. Nobody has to disappoint the snowmobilers either Perhaps SB/Longbay would pony up the funds for the cause they would otherwise be giving to the lawyers Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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However you do bring up an excellent point not brought up often. What will happens to the snowmobile trail? I highly doubt they would be allowed on the WOW Trail as they are not allowed on the current section. I for one would be every disappointed as I use that corridor often |
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Laconia city counsel shelves the push to have the railroad tracks removed for the time being.
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11-26-2019, 12:56 PM | #218 |
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... a railroad track that once was?
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, once upon a time, many, many years ago, there was a railroad line that traveled along the Lake Winnipesaukee shoreline in Meredith, and the Weirs Beach and Lakeport areas in Laconia.
First built away back in 1883 or so, for many, many years it was a very important transportation link. However, with the building of Rt-93 in 1965, and the big switch from steel wheel trains to rubber tired cars and trucks, the Winnipesaukee Railroad tracks have greatly declined with little to no use, no trains, no freight, and no passengers. What it really is, is an unused railroad track, something more like a railroad track that belongs in a museum. The Winnipesaukee Railroad ….. it was great when it was alive ….. but it is now totally dead …. may it rest in pieces! … If you were to go down to the track today on November 26, 2019, you would have to wait about six months before a train actually came down this here railroad track ….. a-yuh! … Next train coming along in May, 2020 on this here www.hoborr.com/winni.html will be the Mother's Day opening day rail ride train, or something, which is not even a real train ….. it is a local tourist train. So, Gov Chris Sununu, please help move the lakes region forward by tearing out these old steel rails and wood railroad ties, and help build the www.wowtrail.org in its' place.
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Hmmm? seems there are a lot of business that are seasonal and won't reopen or start up again till spring, should we demand they all shut down if we don't like them or use them if someone else wants to use the space?
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Last nights city council meeting is on YouTube. The testimonies start around the 13 minute mark.
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11-26-2019, 07:52 PM | #224 |
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.... it's our private way, it's not your public way!
Slow moving 9-mph, rubber tired trolley buses would function similar to the existing Winnipesaukee Railroad, and could co-exist with pedestrians, runners, and bicyclists on a 12'-wide 'trail' that's built to replace the demolished railroad steel tracks and wood ties.
So, that makes a 12' 'trail' a multi-purpose plan that will accommodate both the trolley riders and the people powered foot traffic and bicyclists. Over the course of the Wow Trail route, there are numerous areas where a wider 15' rail trail can be built that makes it a little more accommodating for the pedestrians and trolley to share the road. With a railroad train, the tracks cannot be shared with anyone, and indeed as it is private property, the abutting residents are quick to call the police on unknown, incoming, track walkers. The railroad track is not so much a railroad track, but is much more a 'no trespassing', safety buffer line for home owner security. When local residents say "we love the Winnipesaukee Railroad" ..... what they really mean is that they love it as a line of private property with no trespassing, and they basically have control over who gets to walk across, or along the track. "It's our way, it's not your way!" "Hey Rene, there's an incoming boogie out on the tracks, about 250-yards south down ..... better call the cops!"
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I just do not understand. This is an extremely important topic to many of us here on the form. Why must you derail it with your dribble and babbling nonsense
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It's a waste of time since most people "quote" his posts when replying to or about him so you end up seeing it anyway
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"Occasionally he has something worth reading"
This may one of those times.
There is something very important in FLL's post that I haven't seen addressed - a trolley. It may be here, I just might have missed it. The best utilization of Laconia, the Weirs, and Meredith will happen when you can easily get from one to the other. Shop and play all day and only have to park once. I (naively I am finding out) assumed they would use the existing tracks as a trolley system to connect the three locations. Is there a plan for getting people from one location to the other, or will it all be Uber/Lyft/Cabs? |
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TheRoBoat - you can't have light rail (trolley/subway) and heavy rail (railroads) intermingle on the same tracks. The only place where it was ever allowed (that I'm aware of) was in Lowell, MA where the National Park trolley, made use of industrial railroad tracks when the B&M was still servicing customers on the same track. That was in the 1980's and very early 1990's but times have changed and things of that nature, are not allowed anymore.
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Thanks for the info Trail Goer. That explanation makes sense, for that situation.
I don't think this is a similar situation, and while there may be "rules", you could have a fully functioning trolley system, and keep the rail. The Clark family could run both, and schedule accordingly. I would also argue that given the choice between the Winni/Hobo and trolley, the trolley would be a much more lucrative operation. But the question remains - if not trolley, how do the people get between the towns? |
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Why does everyone think we must go between Meredith and Laconia? Has anyone asked Meredith? On second thought they do have a large number of benches and grassy areas along the docks for those interested in napping
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Your missing the point
When Trail Goer said they coexisted, I assumed that he meant they used the same tracks - Heavy and Light.
By your reply - It appears you are saying no, they use different size tracks. The rail should remain as is - I am in agreement with you. I am not in favor of removing tracks for the WOW trail. So all the Clark Family needs is a few retrofitted trolley cars |
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Has anyone asked Meredith?
The more important question is has anyone asked TPG Resorts?
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I'm not aware of passengers being able to get on or off at Lakeport, I think its just the location where the train reverses direction. I could be wrong though, I just haven't paid to close attention to it.
I know downtown is kind of largely over looked by a lot of people but as I keep telling people, every revitalization project has a first step. Having Laconia become and active train station again, I think would do wonders for downtown, I just don't know how it would work out with the railroads current operations. The draw bridge at Lakeport is control by the railroad but they have to stop and manually flip a switch to close it, which adds lag time. I suppose a closed circuit system could be installed, similar to what activates the lights and bells at a railroad crossing, but in this case to close and open a draw bridge. |
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Molly the Trolley
Molly the Trolley works just fine in Wolfeboro. A couple of flag stops along a circular route from MacIntyre (sp?) Circle/WalMart, Margate to, say, Akwa Marine, Weirs Beach RR station and Funspot would allow non-drivers such as teens to go shopping, to the beach, etc. Tourists could ride to the Weirs for the Mount, Sophie C. without feeding parking meters. Of course, the Weirs docks are still, well, you know.
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..... and another thing!
And, another thing about replacing the 9-mile long x 9-foot wide existing un-used single railroad track that runs along the Winnipesaukee embankment from Lakeport to Weirs Beach to Meredith with a 12-foot wide gravel roadway.
In addition to a tourist trolley like Wolfeboro's 'Molly the Trolley' sharing the Wow Trail with walkers, joggers, runners, and bicyclists ...... a 12-wide gravel roadway would get patrolled by the www.laconianh.gov/229/Police who could be walking, bicycling, or driving along slowly in a Laconia Police patrol cruiser. It would change the use from a very infrequent summer tourist train to a 7-day, 52-week, waterfront access, Lake Winnipesaukee go-to rail trail ...... what's not to like!
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Removing the tracks would be a terrible mistake in my eyes, and I feel an option where the two coexist would be best for everyone.
Perhaps the push by the city to remove the track will motivate the Clark family to make Lakeport a more frequent / favorable stop. With the recent investments announced in Lakeport, and some that have not yet been announced, it may prove to be an economically beneficial move to the rail line. |
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My house is about a mile away from the train stop in Meredith and I'm always aggravated when I take the grandkids for the 1/2 ride on the train. I can't take the 1/2 ride from the Meredith station. I have to drive to Wears to take a 1/2 ride either back to Meredith or to Lake Port. The little one's don't have the patients to go for the full ride from Meredith to Lake Port and back. I'm not sure why they can't manage this properly.
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I didn't get a chance to watch the video on the city council's meeting till this past weekend. Just a few remarks, I would like to make on the video.
1. I like how Mr. Clark, president of the Plymouth and Lincoln Railroad, was extremely informative but I find it troubling that, the Stone Consulting study, never made it to the city counsel when it was first released and I find it troubling that he had to point out all the deficiency in the report done by Alta, those deficiencies should've been addressed before the report was released. 2. Mr. Dearness owner of New England Southern railroad noted that none of his information that he provided was even in the report. The guy takes time to partake in the study and they just omit all his information in the final report, what's up with that? 3. I like the points made by the Conway Scenic's owner Mr. Swirk, about taking the opportunity to capitalize on a resource, sitting right in front of them, rather than destroy it. That gentlemen has over 30 years experience in the freight railroad industry and Chicopee, MA was a perfect example he used of a city that saw an opportunity and took advantage of it, creating many jobs for that area. I'd like to see Laconia do the same but that discussion needs to have its own topic. 4. I found the Mayor's response on the current law (railroads take 1st priority on state owned ROW's) to be arrogant and condescending towards the gentlemen who was trying to remind him of that law. 5. Lastly, I was surprised not one person was on hand to show support for the WOW Trail and if they were, I don't recall them speaking. With the city creating so much tribulation over trail vs rail, I would have expected some support to back up the cities effort, of its "Hostile Takeover" quest. |
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A rail line can not be considered abandoned (and/or declared surplus) as long as it is active, whether once a day, once a month, or once a year.
The fact remains that this line continues to be used and as such it will stay as it is unless or until it is relocated (which it won't) or is permanently abandoned (which is dependent upon the rail users of the line). This line is still very much active. I would guesstimate that the Mayor of Laconia may be looking for votes in discussing elimination of the rail line. It's a shame that tax payer money is being spent in "doing studies". Studies are absolutely useless unless or until Federal Railroad Regulations are substantially changed. None of these Railroad Regulations are new as most were established back in the 1800's when the great Iron Horse started criss crossing our nation. . |
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..... To The Daily Sun
Here's a Dec 2 letter to the editor published in The LaDa Sun.
............... 'Concord and Laconia keep railroad on life support' To The Daily Sun Laconia Mayor-elect Andrew Hosmer and the rest of the city council's recent delay on the proposed rail-trail is impacting not just Laconia but the entire state. The New Hampshire railroad industry is dead; it's been dead for a long time. The state owned railroad line from Concord to Lincoln is an example of what is wrong with Concord and the way the state rules. From what I've seen, the Bureau of Rail, Transit and Aeronautics is controlled by nostalgic railroad fans that want to return New Hampshire to the glory days or railroading - think steam engines, Pullman cars and the grand hotels. This isn't going to happen in Laconia or anywhere in the Granite State. Also, because of Concord, New Hampshire no longer has a manufactoring or commodity base to support any railroad, and even if it did, it wouldn't be competitive against interstate 93 and, once the 5G network is finished, driverless trucks. The New Hampshire railroad industry is dead; it's been dead for a long time. The politicians in Laconia and Concord want to keep it on life support. Steven J Connolly Bethlehem .................. Here in New Hampshire, we don't really have a railroad, what we have is more like a failroad. .... my comment-fll.
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However I disagree that the rail system in NH is dead and I certainly disagree with Mr Connolly. Try telling this to the Hobo and Winnipesaukee Rail Companies, Conway Scenic Rail and others that continue to employee residents of this state and continue to be profitable. Watch the video of the town meeting and tell me that rail is dead. You are just pushing your agenda of removing the rail in place of the trail. I keep saying it, if you want the trail they should coexist. If you think the trail will be that more socially and economically beneficial to the area than spend the extra dollar for them to run parallel. |
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i've been saying it for years. from meredith center road, down union ave past the businesses that will benefit from it, left onto lake street past the margate on the margate side, and continue onto weirs Blvd on lake side all the way to the weirs
install walking path/sidewalk, probably 1/3 or less the cost (just speculation on cost of course, but no way as much as what they are trying to do)
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There are many areas including in front of the NASWA where it drops off into the lower parking lot that there is no physical room for a sidewalk. There would be safety concerns about the proximity of cars with pedestrians along route 3, especially at night. Also, the people who are interested and in favor of this most likely have no desire to walk along with traffic and inhale car fumes. They can get that experience many other places. Last edited by TiltonBB; 12-04-2019 at 07:31 PM. |
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I am sure when you proposed the idea of building a retaining wall into the lake and throwing in a little gravel fill DES would be happy with the plan and tell you to go right ahead! At one time Laconia required anyone doing new construction along Weirs Boulevard, and many other places, to build a sidewalk with granite curb. You can see many of the "sidewalks to nowhere" along Weirs Boulevard. On the Boulevard in front of Evergreen is the first one that comes to mind. They have now backed off of that plan because numerous individual unconnected sidewalks were not accomplishing the desired results. |
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And, walking along route 3 with traffic would present an entirely different experience than what the proponents of the WOW trail have envisioned. it is just never going to happen. |
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New to this forum but had to register just to post my disdain for this initiative. Trying to shut down an active business both from the tourist and B2B work the shops do as a contractor is just pathetic. If you Wow folks are successful I hope they come to shut down your business next. One of the most patently unAmerican ideas I have seen proposed. Not against a trail by any means but to even suggest this as the means is abhorrent.
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Welcome to the Forum. I wish I could take credit for this, but someone suggested extending the runway at the Laconia Airport through Patrick's Pub. That would be a great start!
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Riding a bicycle along Weirs Blvd, US Route 3, from the Weirs roundabout to the Shaws supermarket on the Laconia/Gilford town line is pretty doable on both sides of the road. Both sides, going north or south, have solid white lines between the car lane and the dirt shoulder with the width varying from one to three feet of paved "bicycle or pedestrian" lane between the white line and the end of the paved asphalt surface.
The speed limit is either 35 or 30-mph, which is relatively slow, and helps to make it safe for pedaling a bicycle. The dirt soft shoulder gives about another 1-3' depending on location, there. In the summer I see bicyclists pedaling down the side "bicycle/pedestrian" lane on the boulevard pretty frequently. Adults just out for a bicycle ride on modest looking bikes with and without helmets.
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I was simply trying to add useful insight into the conversation. I have zero concern about the WOW trail being routed down the Blvd; there is simply not a realistic plan to do so. |
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The usable bicycle width of pavement outside the white line varies from one to three feet with a steel safety barrier fence installed along the waterfront side of the road, there. On the non-waterfront side, it's about the same one to three feet width of "bike lane" with a varying size of dirt soft shoulder area, running along private home, front areas.
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And taking people's property? Look at the drop and retaining wall to the right of the NASWA into their parking lot. What are you going to do there? It seems that the only people offering opinions about what a good idea this would be have no idea of the topography they are talking about. Again, if you think it makes sense, walk the length of Weirs Boulevard and look at the numerous places where it would be a challenge to create any type of sidewalk. |
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..... just a white line is all there is
Well, having that white line running along the edge of Weirs Blvd with one to three feet of pavement before it becomes a dirt shoulder is actually very, very good for a central New Hampshire road for pedaling a bicycle or walking.
In the country of the Netherlands, informally Holland, which has a long history of bicycle paths built along side a road, Holland bike trails will have a physical barrier between the bike lane and the road whenever the car speed limit is above 19-mph. A physical barrier can be a fence, masonry wall, bushes, trees, a water canal or combination. On Weirs Blvd, US Route 3, the speed limit is either 30 or 35-mph for cars between the roundabout and the intersection with Union Ave at the Bayside Cemetery. For bicyclers and pedestrians who pedal or walk along the one to three feet area of asphalt pavement that exists between the white line and the dirt shoulder, there are cars moving along at 30-35 mph and the only physical safety is the white line on the pavement, just the white line, not a physical barrier. New Hampshire has a state law that says motorists must keep 3-feet distance, at 30-mph, 4-feet at 40-mph, 5-feet at 50-mph, and 6-feet at 60-mph, when passing a person on a bicycle. So legally, a motor vehicle is supposed to cross the center line on Weirs Blvd when passing a bicyclist in order to stay the legal distance away from the bicycle. If not possible due to oncoming traffic, the motorist is supposed to slow down and/or wait before proceeding past the bicycler. Does that happen? What do you think?
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In fact bicycles should be outlawed on Class 2 and 3 roads. |
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12-14-2019, 10:05 AM | #270 |
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http://www.fosters.com/news/20190701...-use-full-lane
As I recall the speed limit on Weirs Blvd is either 35 or 30-mph which is not too slow, not too fast for a car to share the road with a bicycle. As already mentioned but worth mentioning again, having the one to three feet of pavement that is outside the white line at the edge of Weirs Blvd is better that what's usually available on Route-3 in central NH so that makes it a little safer for the bicycles. Is not too unusual to see the bike pedalers on Weirs Blvd wearing large back packs all loaded with with shopping bags of food that was probably just purchased maybe at the nearby Shaw's, so apparently in the summer they use their bikes to get to and back from the grocery store for food shopping. Hey, not everyone has car for getting around here, and some really depend on their bicycles in the warmer months as a way to go food shopping.
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...... raise the gasoline tax by ten cents/gallon!
As I understand it, Class 2 NH roads are the very common, numbered local roads that go all over the state, and are not the limited access interstate highways like Route 93. Locally, NH Routes 3-11-25-28-49-104-109-113-132-153-171-175 and others are all class 2 roads.
So, your bicycle exclusion suggestion would basically ban bicycles from pedaling the 97-mile circle loop http://www.winnipesaukee.net/lakes-r...ound-the-lake/ around Lake Winnipesaukee. What I suggest is raising the gasoline tax by ten cents/gallon as a serious effective way to pay for maintaining and improving the NH road system which includes both Route 93, Class 2 roads, and rail/trail bicycle paths including the Concord-Lake Sunapee Rail Trail ...... www.facebook.com/CLSRT/ and here in the lakes region ...... the www.wowtrail.org.
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With a little bit of thought I’m sure NH can come up with another financing option to shift the burden onto out-of-staters. They are good at that. Maybe they could use a portion of the 66% increase in my property taxes.
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Every bicycle in the state should be registered if not ridden on it's owner's property just like OHRV's and a $200 trail development and maintenance fee assessed per bike is a good starting point. Probably enough to at least hire all the hack state workers to oversee the program and pay them a six figure salary as minimum wage simply won't do. When is the state finally going to slap registration fees on anything that floats? I think a good $100 flat fee per vessel would be prefect. |
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Committee for Compromise
The latest resolution calls for the formation of a blue-ribbon committee comprising representatives of the WOW Trail Board, homeowners’ associations from Paugus Park Road, South Down Shores, and Long Bay Estates, the Winnipesaukee Scenic Railroad, and the city.
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How does this committee defer from past community efforts?
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At least you have all the interest parties willing to sit and have an open discussion instead of the lawyers battling it out and sucking up everybody’s money.
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By the way, the resolution to form the Blue Ribbon Committee passed. |
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I understand the state owns the property but that doesn't mean it's "public" property. The property is still off limits to anyone that is not a railroad employee and is considered trespassing, if you are caught. Think of it as a police station, military base or a government building, we as citizens are owners to it all but that still doesn't give us the right to just walk right in. So lets not call it "public property" it's a "Railroad Right of Way" that is owned by the state and is off limits to the public.
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They have grade crossings that give them access to the water. I'm 99% certain all grade crossings have to be documented and approved by the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) before one can be installed, so their crossings are all legal. If people are not using the designated crossings, then yes they are trespassing.
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No, they use the easement granted for access.
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