City of Laconia home rentals

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Rusty

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...9503ee281.html

The fourth time was the charm for people seeking city approval to operate a short-term rental in a residential neighborhood.

Not a fan of the new proposal that would allow rentals in certain areas but would "require approval on neighbors". It should be its allowed or not. You cannot leave it up to neighbors to decide if someone can or can't rent. It's like opening Pandora's box. If someone is disgruntled for unrelated issues they can just vote no

[Red apple]

Originally Posted by Rusty

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...9503ee281.html

The fourth time was the charm for people seeking city approval to operate a short-term rental in a residential neighborhood.

OK so how did the City see this as a "Hardship"? The others told the city basically the same thing..They were very clear in the first three hearings that needing the extra money to keep your house was not a hardship. City has issues and still waiting for someone with deep pockets to sue them on this.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Red apple

OK so how did the City see this as a "Hardship"? The others told the city basically the same thing..They were very clear in the first three hearings that needing the extra money to keep your house was not a hardship. City has issues and still waiting for someone with deep pockets to sue them on this.

And the end result we will all lose. I believe you are correct, someone with deep pockets will sue and the Laconia's legal fees to defend will be astronomical.

[TiltonBB]

A committee has forwarded their proposal for rules that would allow rentals anywhere in Laconia.

The proposed rules apply to a dwelling offered for rent for up to 184 consecutive nights. Owners would be required to apply to the city to operate a short-term rental and pay a fee, still to be determined, that would cover the costs of reviewing the property and notifying neighbors.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...b9547f675.html

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

A committee has forwarded their proposal for rules that would allow rentals anywhere in Laconia.



The proposed rules apply to a dwelling offered for rent for up to 184 consecutive nights. Owners would be required to apply to the city to operate a short-term rental and pay a fee, still to be determined, that would cover the costs of reviewing the property and notifying neighbors.



https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...b9547f675.html

Seems to be a fair resolution. This is very similar to short term rentals is Florida. The landlord is charged a short term rental tax that is passed along to the tenant.


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[Redbarn]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Seems to be a fair resolution. This is very similar to short term rentals is Florida. The landlord is charged a short term rental tax that is passed along to the tenant.


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NH already has the Meals and Rentals Tax of 9%. So this would be more similar to Key West where you pay the state tax and the local tax.

The huge difference is a renter just needs to go to another town the lake to avoid the Laconia Tax. Remember this is a town that already has property taxes out of control so owners are already passing on what the market will bare of those property Taxes.


Just so we all understand what a renter pays now in fees (I can tell you first hand the market is having a hard time bearing it).

A HomeAway/VRBO fee to the home owner, is $500 per year, plus fees on every rental that vary.

The renter pays, up to $499 in home away fees plus 9% NH rentals tax, plus most places have a cleaning fee, possible other fees.

The total fees being charged to an owner and renter on a property that is ~$4500+ rental (pretty typical for a week on the lake) is an extra $1000 being shared between the owner and renter.

The result is many homeowners have has to reduce pricing slightly. Now, let us add another local tax, why would anyone rent in Laconia when they can go one town over and avoid that fee.

The result will be a potential property buyer will weight this in their decision-making process even if they don't plan to rent but like the option. They will either pay less for the property in Laconia or just elsewhere.

This applies to the entire city.

Sorry for my terrible grammer.

[joey2665]

Correct Tilton: it’s always a couple of rotten apples that spoil it for everyone and then the government takes overreaching drastic measures.

I’d love to see kids with less tech time and more outside time but that is a tough one. Best thing to do is keep your kids active in sports and creative activities playing in the street is just a fond memory


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[TiltonBB]

On Monday the City of Laconia made the mistake of passing short term rental regulations. It can only hurt the local economy. It may be the last mistake of the outgoing Mayor. But no worries, the new Mayor will make a lot of mistakes too!

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...4df3b5940.html

[joey2665]

I agree TiltonBB. THIS IS A HUGE MISTAKE!! extremely overbearing regulations. This will hurt the economy and could lower property values for investment property’s not in the Weir’s.


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[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I agree TiltonBB. THIS IS A HUGE MISTAKE!! extremely overbearing regulations. This will hurt the economy and could lower property values for investment property’s not in the Weir’s.


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I don't agree that this will hurt the economy or cause a loss of property value. This regulation will do exactly what is intended... right or wrong, it will slow down investment owners who are just looking to make a quick unregulated buck buying up housing property for the sole purpose of airbnb/vrbo.

I do think that waterfront property should have been exempted...

Woodsy

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

I don't agree that this will hurt the economy or cause a loss of property value. This regulation will do exactly what is intended... right or wrong, it will slow down investment owners who are just looking to make a quick unregulated buck buying up housing property for the sole purpose of airbnb/vrbo.

I do think that waterfront property should have been exempted...

Woodsy

But you said it in your post. “ slow down investment owners” which in turn reduces demand and lowers values. Investors are willing to pay a little more if they can get a good ROI.

Short term renters are not renting in downtown Laconia or anywhere that is a good distance from the lake.

Also what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

You cannot limit you just water front, what if you have a view or are walking distance from the lake etc that opens Pandora’s box.


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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by joey2665

But you said it in your post. “ slow down investment owners” which in turn reduces demand and lowers values. Investors are willing to pay a little more if they can get a good ROI.

Short term renters are not renting in downtown Laconia or anywhere that is a good distance from the lake.

Also what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

You cannot limit you just water front, what if you have a view or are walking distance from the lake etc that opens Pandora’s box.


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Paradoxically, a huge number of lakefront owners do not benefit from increased property values. Increased values are great when a person sells, but if your property is going to be in the family for decades or generations, the higher price tag does nothing until that day arrives far into the future, or your kids' or grandkids' future. In the meantime, as many have pointed out on other threads, higher lakefront property values (relative to non lakefront) increase property taxes every year.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Paradoxically, a huge number of lakefront owners do not benefit from increased property values. Increased values are great when a person sells, but if your property is going to be in the family for decades or generations, the higher price tag does nothing until that day arrives far into the future, or your kids' or grandkids' future. In the meantime, as many have pointed out on other threads, higher lakefront property values (relative to non lakefront) increase property taxes every year.

I think you are correct for Island Owners and maybe if it was 20+ years ago but I do not think newer owners (non Island) in the area are apt to pass along property as in previous generations.


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[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by joey2665

But you said it in your post. “ slow down investment owners” which in turn reduces demand and lowers values. Investors are willing to pay a little more if they can get a good ROI.

Short term renters are not renting in downtown Laconia or anywhere that is a good distance from the lake.

Also whatÂ’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

You cannot limit you just water front, what if you have a view or are walking distance from the lake etc that opens PandoraÂ’s box.


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You are mistaken on several issues...

The City of Laconia suffers from a lack of affordable housing and this stifles the economic growth of the city. If investors continue to buy up the existing affordable housing stock with airbnb/vrbo business plans, this problem will never be resolved.


There are airbnb/vrbo rentals all over the city. They are the reason for these strict rules. A lot of these rentals are in family neighborhoods. I would argue that an airbnb/vrbo next door would lower my property value. Nobody wants to live next to an unregulated no tell motel party house in a residential neighborhood.

You most certainly can exempt waterfront property from the airbnb ordinance. You can make exceptions for DEEDED water access as well. No exemption for water views should be allowed.

Woodsy

[iw8surf]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

You are mistaken on several issues...

The City of Laconia suffers from a lack of affordable housing and this stifles the economic growth of the city. If investors continue to buy up the existing affordable housing stock with airbnb/vrbo business plans, this problem will never be resolved.


There are airbnb/vrbo rentals all over the city. They are the reason for these strict rules. A lot of these rentals are in family neighborhoods. I would argue that an airbnb/vrbo next door would lower my property value. Nobody wants to live next to an unregulated no tell motel party house in a residential neighborhood.

You most certainly can exempt waterfront property from the airbnb ordinance. You can make exceptions for DEEDED water access as well. No exemption for water views should be allowed.

Woodsy

I would much rather live next to an Air-BnB (my current neighbor on the lake rents his house every week of the summer) then some of the characters I lived next to when I previously lived in Laconia.

5 years running never had a single issue with the neighbors renters.
2 years spent in Laconia my place was broken into twice, my car window were broken once and the last straw was things were stolen from my boat which sealed the deal on Laconia for me..

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by iw8surf

I would much rather live next to an Air-BnB (my current neighbor on the lake rents his house every week of the summer) then some of the characters I lived next to when I previously lived in Laconia.

5 years running never had a single issue with the neighbors renters.
2 years spent in Laconia my place was broken into twice, my car window were broken once and the last straw was things were stolen from my boat which sealed the deal on Laconia for me..

There is good/bad everywhere! Laconia has many issues besides airbnb/vrbo.

What happens when the airbnb/vrbo market saturates and prices drop?

Woodsy

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

You are mistaken on several issues...

The City of Laconia suffers from a lack of affordable housing and this stifles the economic growth of the city. If investors continue to buy up the existing affordable housing stock with airbnb/vrbo business plans, this problem will never be resolved.


There are airbnb/vrbo rentals all over the city. They are the reason for these strict rules. A lot of these rentals are in family neighborhoods. I would argue that an airbnb/vrbo next door would lower my property value. Nobody wants to live next to an unregulated no tell motel party house in a residential neighborhood.

You most certainly can exempt waterfront property from the airbnb ordinance. You can make exceptions for DEEDED water access as well. No exemption for water views should be allowed.

Woodsy

Sorry as an investor in the area and some to be full time resident in July we will have to agree to disagree.

Short term vacationers do not want to rent downtown or anywhere that is not a decent neighborhood and too far from the lake.

In most vacation areas such as Florida, Vermont ect where short term rentals are more prevalent it actually helps the property value not reduce it as as stated brings in investors and helps the economy.

I do not think it would be far to limit to certain areas people should be allowed to maximize their investment if they so choose.

Again this is an overextension of government regulations that were an overreaction to a very few isolated incident.

[Red apple]

So they passed this now what...Anyone that lives in there home more than 150 days a year (good luck to the city proving you do not) and wants to rent under 14 days at a time needs to register with the city. Lets see how that goes and how many actually do this and if they do will they pass? I know that some that I know of are in lower levels of homes and people made a "bedroom" but the the room does not have a large enough window to meet today building codes for egress so will that pass??. Next if you have this type of a rental home next to you and do not want it as you live in a residential area the way it is written (or was) just need to have three legitimate complaints whether it is noise, people on your property, parking etc, etc....and then the town will issue a cease and desist and they can no longer rent and that home and that will stay with the property even when it is sold. So why even pass this law as before this it was the same way and the city only got involved when there was issues and then issued a cease and desist.. Seams like a lot ow work was done in the city on this but the outcome was not worth the time.

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by Red apple

So they passed this now what...Anyone that lives in there home more than 150 days a year (good luck to the city proving you do not) and wants to rent under 14 days at a time needs to register with the city. Lets see how that goes and how many actually do this and if they do will they pass? I know that some that I know of are in lower levels of homes and people made a "bedroom" but the the room does not have a large enough window to meet today building codes for egress so will that pass??. Next if you have this type of a rental home next to you and do not want it as you live in a residential area the way it is written (or was) just need to have three legitimate complaints whether it is noise, people on your property, parking etc, etc....and then the town will issue a cease and desist and they can no longer rent and that home and that will stay with the property even when it is sold. So why even pass this law as before this it was the same way and the city only got involved when there was issues and then issued a cease and desist.. Seams like a lot ow work was done in the city on this but the outcome was not worth the time.

Enforcement will be one startup issue. If it was me I would inform those renting units they must issue a copy of the city permit with each rental agreement signed. Also, the city should make it known by advertising and other means that permits are required. This would cover some liability if a renter must be removed from a illegal rental unit


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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Enforcement will be one startup issue. If it was me I would inform those renting units they must issue a copy of the city permit with each rental agreement signed. Also, the city should make it known by advertising and other means that permits are required. This would cover some liability if a renter must be removed from a illegal rental unit


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Enforcement, especially by the above standard being set will end up costing the city a fortune. Just what Laconia needs, more negative cash flow.

[Red apple]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Enforcement, especially by the above standard being set will end up costing the city a fortune. Just what Laconia needs, more negative cash flow.

Along with opening them up for lawsuits now... As once permitted and a guest gets hurt and finds a building code violation they will go after the city as well as they homeowner.

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by Red apple

Along with opening them up for lawsuits now... As once permitted and a guest gets hurt and finds a building code violation they will go after the city as well as they homeowner.

A legal rental must be inspected before a permit is issued. So how would the city be liable for a illegal rental or safety violation? I see the inspection process as a opening of a can of worms. Will the city use this tool as a enforcement for other issues that may arise


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[Red apple]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

A legal rental must be inspected before a permit is issued. So how would the city be liable for a illegal rental or safety violation? I see the inspection process as a opening of a can of worms. Will the city use this tool as a enforcement for other issues that may arise


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Clarify- If the city inspects it and issues a permit and then its "legal" now the city can get sued if a renter got hurt. Of course they would need to prove the City is liable but still opening up the city.

[fatlazyless]

From the City of Laconia web site:

www.laconianh.gov/881/Short-Term-Rentals

... includes a link to the rental eligibility rules and home/building inspection procedure that was approved when the mayor cast his tie-breaking vote for a 4-3 approval vote on Tuesday, December 10 ..... just yesterday!

As they used to say about the building inspector's job in Boston, back in the 1970's ...... 'you know the salary stinks, but the pay is great!'

[Biggd]

No one likes government oversight but there are people that will take advantage and bend the rules/laws to their advantage, esp when money is involved. As you can see on this forum everyone has a different view of the situation.
If you just let everyone do what ever they want without oversight then it becomes a free for all.
Just like the Dive, many people like it as long as it's not in their back yard.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Just like the Dive, many people like it as long as it's not in their back yard.

Not in my case. I have had several neighbors in the past short term rent and I do not have an issue with it. Only once in 8 years did I have a issue and it was taken care of immediately.

As a property owner I do not believe the city has the right to tell me how I can and can't rent my property

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Not in my case. I have had several neighbors in the past short term rent and I do not have an issue with it. Only once in 8 years did I have a issue and it was taken care of immediately.

As a property owner I do not believe the city has the right to tell me how I can and can't rent my property

I also have a neighbor right across the street from me that rents all summer and I've had no issues in the 5 years I've been there. But I know of others in other areas that have lots of problems. So I see the need for some kind of oversight even though it doesn't affect me personally.
I actually know of some families that rent a large high end house on Winni every summer, $10,000 a week, and they think because they pay so much money they can do what ever they please. They have to find a new place every year because they are asked not to return.
They are wonderful people in their own neighborhood but they are the renters from hell.
This is one of the reasons I never rent out my place. I occasionally let friends use it free of charge but that is rare and only people I trust that I know will treat it like their own.

[tis]

I am surprised that so many don't seem to worry about the wear and tear on a house when renting to a big crowd of people.

[fatlazyless]

Here's SB458, www.legiscan.com/NH/text/SB458/id/2082379 introduced on January 8, 2020 and sponsored by Sen French-R, Sen Bradley-R, and Sen D'Allesandro-D.

With both the NH House, 233-D vs 164-R, and the NH Senate, 14-D vs 10-R, having Democratic majorities, this bill will without a doubt require an act of God to get it passed as is, and/or any end product as revamped by the Democratic controlled senate and house will get vetoed by Gov Sununu-R ..... so, for starters, and you got to start someplace, this is a very, very good faith start and everyone involved should be highly commended. ...


Note: This Legiscan link has links to the State of New Hampshire website with more information and you can read how the State website shows this new bill.

Opinion: Is it me or is the print font too danged small that it makes you squint and makes it difficult to read and comprehend this proposed bill, as printed? Like, why-O-why-O-why does the State of NH website originate this proposed bill with a print font so small that it is most difficult to read and comprehend?

[map]

I personally do not like the idea of a lot of short term renters in my neighborhood. That said, I also am a liberty minded individual and people should be able to do with their homes- that THEY OWN-as they wish as long as they do not hurt other people.

I am thinking right now my husband and I are renting someone's home for a few months until we can move to our new house in the Weirs. We are better neighbors than some of the full time ones here.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

It a 3 part conspiracy, promoted by the politicians and kept secret from us called a little to much booze in your system before gong to bed at night, old age, and not knowing how to adjust the text size on your browser when your eyes are tired.

Ok ...... so, with your 'puter skills, can you do us all a favor and show an easier to read copy of SB-458 ........ thanks.

[Susie Cougar]

Hey Joey, I just read in today’s paper that Marco Island is paying residents $250 to let owls 🦉 burrow in their yards. Here’s a way for you to make some extra cash too!

[garysanfran]

An area for vacations...Oldest resort town in America is here.

Envision no short term rentals.... Tourists can only stay at hotels/motels. That'll turn some current visitors off because they like renting a home, not a room...So a great percentage of them will be gone.

Bayside Rentals, Preferred Properties, C-21...All will go out of business and all their employees will be fired...How many of them will no longer get a pizza from Envio's?

King of Clean works with many landlord home renters...Bye, bye to the King?

How may short termers ride The Mount Washington? Or are the passengers just locals? Doris E? Sophie C?

Maybe the hotel stayers will keep Monkey Truck line in business? Is there enough (will there be enough) of them?

The group of 11 adults and 11 kids can just go to The Cape. Who needs 'em?...That group must eat a lot...Hannafords, other grocers, restaurants may feel it is better for those 22 folks to shop here and not in Hyannis?

As current owners sell their properties because they can no longer do with their property what they need to do to pay exorbitant taxes, values will decline and taxes will climb further to offset loss of revenue.

On the positive side...Having a lot...LOTS...less people, to me, has value!

I am a firm believer in trying to understand "unintended consequences" before implementing major changes that on the surface may be appealing.

[TheVoiceOfReason]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Short term vacationers do not want to rent downtown or anywhere that is not a decent neighborhood and too far from the lake.

This simply isn't true. I have firsthand knowledge of many short-term rentals in residential neighborhoods not located near the lake in Laconia.

I live in a residential neighborhood in a bordering town and have a short-term rental exposure across the street from my house. Just like anything, there are good renters and bad renters, just like there are good neighbors and bad neighbors, good boaters and bad boaters, etc. If I had my druthers I'd prefer to not have a short-term rental located across the street from my home, but there are simply too many other things to worry about than to run down to Town Hall and put up a stink about it.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by TheVoiceOfReason

This simply isn't true. I have firsthand knowledge of many short-term rentals in residential neighborhoods not located near the lake in Laconia.

I live in a residential neighborhood in a bordering town and have a short-term rental exposure across the street from my house. Just like anything, there are good renters and bad renters, just like there are good neighbors and bad neighbors, good boaters and bad boaters, etc. If I had my druthers I'd prefer to not have a short-term rental located across the street from my home, but there are simply too many other things to worry about than to run down to Town Hall and put up a stink about it.

As stated previously I disagree as someone witch investors experience in Laconia, Florida, Pennsylvania North Carolina and Illinois.

Show me actually data that proved valued decline and I will reconsider. Investors again will pay at or above market if they receive there desired ROI


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[Red apple]

Originally Posted by TheVoiceOfReason

This simply isn't true. I have firsthand knowledge of many short-term rentals in residential neighborhoods not located near the lake in Laconia.

I live in a residential neighborhood in a bordering town and have a short-term rental exposure across the street from my house. Just like anything, there are good renters and bad renters, just like there are good neighbors and bad neighbors, good boaters and bad boaters, etc. If I had my druthers I'd prefer to not have a short-term rental located across the street from my home, but there are simply too many other things to worry about than to run down to Town Hall and put up a stink about it.

Fully Agree. We had weekly renters we had next to us were always respectable as they were paying big money for the week. The short term 1-3 night people are just rude and do not respect anything. Now that is just what we and some others dealt with and everyone I am sure has different situations.

[WinnisquamZ]

I agree with the vote to regulate short term rentals. Enforcement of the regulations maybe difficult but it gives neighbors of these units something to fall back on when issues arise. If more was done by the property owners when those “bad apples” were identified it would not of had to come to this. Your anger should be directed at the absence owners not the city council who are protecting the majority of property owners in the city


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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

I agree with the vote to regulate short term rentals. Enforcement of the regulations maybe difficult but it gives neighbors of these units something to fall back on when issues arise. If more was done by the property owners when those “bad apples” were identified it would not of had to come to this. Your anger should be directed at the absence owners not the city council who are protecting the majority of property owners in the city


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I believe the whole situation was overblown by a very few bad apples and a couple of annoyed neighbors. A complete overreaction by the government as usual.


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[WinnisquamZ]

For those wishing to rent or invest in the lakes region there many other towns that don’t have the regulations Laconia just passed. Also, your ROI will be greater due to lower overhead costs in those towns


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

For those wishing to rent or invest in the lakes region there many other towns that don’t have the regulations Laconia just passed. Also, your ROI will be greater due to lower overhead costs in those towns


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That's been one of the driving forces that is benefiting surrounding towns. Keep up the good work Laconia.

[joey2665]

Wow. I am shocked at the distain for short term rentals. This is extremely popular is almost all resort areas world wide.

I have no problem paying the occupancy tax on short term rentals.

inspection and health safety issues are ridiculous. Why would short term rental be subject these type of regulations when long term and commercial are not. So if I rent one day over the short term time I am not subject to any of these health and safety regs?

My points are merely not opinion but fact based on years of experience. Short term rentals increase values and boost the economy. Fact!!!

Many of the “opinions” on this subject are just that opinions and not fact.

You just do not want short term rentals because you are worried there MIGHT be an issue when in fact people without you knowing until this came in front of the council having been going on successfully for years with very minimal incident.


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Wow. I am shocked at the distain for short term rentals. This is extremely popular is almost all resort areas world wide.

I have no problem paying the occupancy tax on short term rentals.

inspection and health safety issues are ridiculous. Why would short term rental be subject these type of regulations when long term and commercial are not. So if I rent one day over the short term time I am not subject to any of these health and safety regs?

My points are merely not opinion but fact based on years of experience. Short term rentals increase values and boost the economy. Fact!!!

Many of the “opinions” on this subject are just that opinions and not fact.

You just do not want short term rentals because you are worried there MIGHT be an issue when in fact people without you knowing until this came in front of the council having been going on successfully for years with very minimal incident.


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Air B&B has changed short term rentals dramatically. This is why new regulations are being proposed. People are renting their homes all over the world with very little oversight.
As a matter of fact, people are renting homes out that they don't even own.
It's opened up a whole new can of worms.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Air B&B has changed short term rentals dramatically. This is why new regulations are being proposed. People are renting their homes all over the world with very little oversight.
As a matter of fact, people are renting homes out that they don't even own.
It's opened up a whole new can of worms.

It has increased volume but not changed short term rentals. I have never used Air BnB or any other service. The vacation rental industry has never had oversight this doesn’t change anything. As far as renting a home you do not own you do not need Air BnB for that scenario.

I just see many trivial excuses for people that just do not want short term rentals in their backyards


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

It has increased volume but not changed short term rentals. I have never used Air BnB or any other service. The vacation rental industry has never had oversight this doesn’t change anything. As far as renting a home you do not own you do not need Air BnB for that scenario.

I just see many trivial excuses for people that just do not want short term rentals in their backyards


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It's not trivial if it's happening in your neighborhood and it's not as isolated as you make it out to be. I'm happy you are one of the responsible landlords but there are many out there that are not just as there are not many that are responsible renters.
I've been a residential landlord and I know how difficult it can be that's why I only deal with commercial tenants now. Right now times are good for renting but things can change quickly. I'm 65 and I've seen lots of good times and lots of bad.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

It's not trivial if it's happening in your neighborhood and it's not as isolated as you make it out to be. I'm happy you are one of the responsible landlords but there are many out there that are not just as there are not many that are responsible renters.
I've been a residential landlord and I know how difficult it can be that's why I only deal with commercial tenants now. Right now times are good for renting but things can change quickly. I'm 65 and I've seen lots of good times and lots of bad.

I have rented in my neighborhood many times without issues. Again it it just a case of not in my backyard and extreme overreaction.

This has become an exercise in futility. I will continue to vet and rent short term in the area as long as it is financially prudent and part of this is making sure I have quality tenants.

Cheers!!!!!

[tis]

About 3 years ago I started getting calls on my cell asking about my house on VRBO up in the ski area of NH somewhere. I told them they must have the wrong number. They told me they didn't this was the number I posted in my ad. I told them I didn't have an ad or a house to rent. After a few of these calls, I figured out that somebody had erroneously posted my number in their ad. This must have been a very popular place because I got lots of calls. I either called or emailed and they told me to do the opposite so I did but never got any where with VRBO. These calls went on for a couple of years quite often. They then slowed down but I did get one a couple of months ago. The thing that really surprised me was that they insisted that I had a house to rent because this was the number. Some of them told me they booked my place and they needed to know what to bring and what was supplied. I always asked them if they did get in touch with the true owner if they would ask her/him to please change the number on the ad. So the moral of the story is, just hope you never get your phone number posted on somebody's ad. It is a pain in the neck. And if you rent please be very careful with the number. They must have lost a lot of business having the wrong number.

[Red apple]

So I personally purchased a home is a residential neighborhood and like my peace and quiet with out the "hotel" feel with people coming in and out every two to three days next door and across the street that we have had with the Air B&B for the last few years. Now that they passed this new proposal I will do everything in my legal homeowner rights to make their renters not welcome and not be able to keep renting. Hopefully the three strike rule is still in the books as it was before so after three legitimate complaints about the renters they will be no longer allowed to rent. This is just me as I spend to much time and money on my property to have to deal with BS next door and across the street. To each his own and some homes with renters do not bother anyone as they are set back but in my case people are at time 20' away.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Red apple

So I personally purchased a home is a residential neighborhood and like my peace and quiet with out the "hotel" feel with people coming in and out every two to three days next door and across the street that we have had with the Air B&B for the last few years. Now that they passed this new proposal I will do everything in my legal homeowner rights to make their renters not welcome and not be able to keep renting. Hopefully the three strike rule is still in the books as it was before so after three legitimate complaints about the renters they will be no longer allowed to rent. This is just me as I spend to much time and money on my property to have to deal with BS next door and across the street. To each his own and some homes with renters do not bother anyone as they are set back but in my case people are at time 20' away.

As I said before, I have a house across the street from me that's rented all season with absolutely no problems for the 5 years I've been there but if I did have a problem I would take to the owner first.
She's owned the place for a long time and has weeded out the bad apples. Her tenants are the same ones every year.
Air B&B is becoming a problem all over the world but when ever something new comes along, problems have to be corrected. Cities and towns are going though the correction phase now as they are being confronted with more complaints than they were normally seeing in the past.
No one likes new laws but not everyone does what's in the best interest of everyone around them. Many people only care about what puts the most money in their pockets regardless of who it affects.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

As I said before, I have a house across the street from me that's rented all season with absolutely no problems for the 5 years I've been there but if I did have a problem I would take to the owner first.
She's owned the place for a long time and has weeded out the bad apples. Her tenants are the same ones every year.
Air B&B is becoming a problem all over the world but when ever something new comes along, problems have to be corrected. Cities and towns are going though the correction phase now as they are being confronted with more complaints than they were normally seeing in the past.
No one likes new laws but not everyone does what's in the best interest of everyone around them. Many people only care about what puts the most money in their pockets regardless of who it affects.

Sweeping statements. Again what is your proof short term or Airbnb Rentals are an issue "World Wide". Are there some stats you have to prove this? Along with "many" only care about what goes in their pocket. Yes being a landlord is a business but myself and owners I am familiar with are extremely responsible and care about their properties and the neighborhoods we are in. You make all landlords out to be "slumlords" which is an absolute falicy

[winni83]

A 10 second Google search brought up many municipal v. short term rental problems. See, e. g.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/23/unwe...m-rentals.html

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Sweeping statements. Again what is your proof short term or Airbnb Rentals are an issue "World Wide". Are there some stats you have to prove this? Along with "many" only care about what goes in their pocket. Yes being a landlord is a business but myself and owners I am familiar with are extremely responsible and care about their properties and the neighborhoods we are in. You make all landlords out to be "slumlords" which is an absolute falicy

I thought you were done here? The word "slumlords" is yours not mine.
I never said all landlords are bad but there are many bad ones as there are tenants.
I think you're taking this thread a little too personal.
Anyone that doesn't believe Air B&B has changed the rental landscape has their head in the sand.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I thought you were done here? The word "slumlords" is yours not mine.
I never said all landlords are bad but there are many bad ones as there are tenants.
I think you're taking this thread a little too personal.
Anyone that doesn't believe Air B&B has changed the rental landscape has their head in the sand.

Of course I am taking it personal. It is my major source of income. If people were opineing negativity about your industry without facts and trying to regulate and overreact you would take it personally also.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Of course I am taking it personal. It is my major source of income. If people were opineing negativity about your industry without facts and trying to regulate and overreact you would take it personally also.

I'm way past that, because I know 90% of the people in my industry today are crooks. I'm one of a dying breed that puts customers before profits.
I actually have customers that have been coming to me for over 40 years. I guess that's why I'm still plugging away at 65.

[Woodsy]

Joey....

There is a huge difference in being a landlord and running a mini-motel! Your business should be subject to the same rules & regs as any other hotel/motel. You should especially be held to life safety rules and regulations!

Woodsy

[Major]

My issue is that if I want to live in a neighborhood having family homes having owners who live in them and that neighborhood is zoned to prevent short-term or even long-term rentals, I would be upset if neighbors started renting their homes. I fully realize that there are good neighbors and bad neighbors, much like there are good renters and bad renters. Zoning is promulgated to protect the integrity of the neighborhood. Not for a second do I believe home prices on Pleasant Street or Short Drive or Morningside Drive or in Long Bay, would be negatively impacted by regulations on short-term rentals. In fact, my gut would tell me that home prices would rise.

If we want to change the zoning, we should go through the democratic process and see what the people who live here want.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Joey....

There is a huge difference in being a landlord and running a mini-motel! Your business should be subject to the same rules & regs as any other hotel/motel. You should especially be held to life safety rules and regulations!

Woodsy

Your missing the point. My point is if you rent biannually or annually you are not subject to these rules and taxes but short term you are? Makes no sense.


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[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Wow. I am shocked at the distain for short term rentals. This is extremely popular is almost all resort areas world wide.

I have no problem paying the occupancy tax on short term rentals.

inspection and health safety issues are ridiculous. Why would short term rental be subject these type of regulations when long term and commercial are not. So if I rent one day over the short term time I am not subject to any of these health and safety regs?

My points are merely not opinion but fact based on years of experience. Short term rentals increase values and boost the economy. Fact!!!

Many of the “opinions” on this subject are just that opinions and not fact.

You just do not want short term rentals because you are worried there MIGHT be an issue when in fact people without you knowing until this came in front of the council having been going on successfully for years with very minimal incident.


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I don't know why you are shocked! At my condo complex in the Weirs we take a VERY laid back attitude with most things. We had a condo in our complex do Airnb and it was AWFUL! We had all sorts of noise & parking issues. We let this go on for most of a summer, blaming it on bad luck in their clients. Finally we had enough. Luckily short term rentals were forbidden in the HOA docs, so a cease & desist was issued.

Why should your short term rentals not be subject to the same rules and regulations and inspections as a hotel/motel? Is that not in fact what your business model is? When you take money for lodging, you become a commercial entity and as such should be subject to the same rules & regs. Why should you as an individual, be exempt from the same rules we impose on the Naswa & Margate and other businesses?

Woodsy

[fatlazyless]

From the city's rules on short term lodging in Post #201, it says:

Rule 2-C-vi: 'To determine maximum number of vehicles allowed per rental, driveway capacity shall be confirmed. On-street parking shall not be allowed.'

Ok ..... so when an annoyed neighbor phones Laconia-911 and complains on the rental, the police officer who arrives at the scene of the rental will immediately have an easy count on the parked cars without needing to enter the rental .... and the police will probably have list showing each rental's car capacity, plus the obvious no on-street parking.

Reading the rules, it seems like the first offense for too many parked cars over listed capacity gets a warning, while a second offense carries a $275/day civil fine for the rental owner.

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Why should your short term rentals not be subject to the same rules and regulations and inspections as a hotel/motel? Is that not in fact what your business model is? When you take money for lodging, you become a commercial entity and as such should be subject to the same rules & regs. Why should you as an individual, be exempt from the same rules we impose on the Naswa & Margate and other businesses?Woodsy

The same argument can be made when comparing taxis to uber.

Hotel / motel / established rental colonies must really hate the proliferation of short term rentals; I wonder how much they have lobbied against them?

[tcoffey]

It would not necessarily be bad
If home values did come down as a result of rental restrictions. What about the people and families that just want to buy a lake property for themselves and not burden the town with rowdy renters. Now they get to buy at a lower price!


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by tcoffey

It would not necessarily be bad
If home values did come down as a result of rental restrictions. What about the people and families that just want to buy a lake property for themselves and not burden the town with rowdy renters. Now they get to buy at a lower price!


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A reset usually happens when there is a recession. No one knows when that will be but that's the time to buy if you can be patient and wait. This expansion has lasted a long time so I think we are getting closer.
With the debt that's been racked up with cheap money it's only a matter of time before the bill comes due.

[TiltonBB]

Senator Harold French has filed legislation that would alter the statewide regulations and affect Laconia short term rental rules. The arguments and committee hearings on this should bring up some interesting discussions.

If passed, Laconia will need to revisit the issue and change the recently enacted ordinance.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...a906123fd.html

[joey2665]

With the state getting involved it is a totally new game. I am in favor of statewide legislation as opposed to town by town. If things stay with the new Laconia ordnance than Gilford Metedith Alton etc will have an additional leg up on tourism.


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[Descant]

Originally Posted by joey2665

With the state getting involved it is a totally new game. I am in favor of statewide legislation as opposed to town by town. If things stay with the new Laconia ordnance than Gilford Metedith Alton etc will have an additional leg up on tourism.

Local control can be much more flexible, easier to chnge to meet local needs. I don'tr think Selectmen and planning boards are very concerned about competing with other towns on the basis of zoning. They and the voters, are more concerned about local needs. Of course, Laconia is a city with a government that to me, is more removed from the voters than a town gov- ernment.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Descant

Local control can be much more flexible, easier to chnge to meet local needs. I don'tr think Selectmen and planning boards are very concerned about competing with other towns on the basis of zoning. They and the voters, are more concerned about local needs. Of course, Laconia is a city with a government that to me, is more removed from the voters than a town gov- ernment.

Sorry we will agree to disagree. All the towns are competing for tourism dollars in a very short period of time and any restriction on locals to attract tourists to their community will in the end cost the town tax dollars whether it is a short term rental/hotel tax (such as Florida does) meal tax ect. This is something Selectmen should absolutely be concerned with. Yes I do however agree that the City of Laconia is very disconnected from their voters

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Sorry we will agree to disagree. All the towns are competing for tourism dollars in a very short period of time and any restriction on locals to attract tourists to their community will in the end cost the town tax dollars whether it is a short term rental/hotel tax (such as Florida does) meal tax ect. This is something Selectmen should absolutely be concerned with. Yes I do however agree that the City of Laconia is very disconnected from their voters

The issue is not about tourism dollars, it’s about neighbored disruption due to crazy renters and property owners uninterested in resolving the problem. This is a non issue if the property owners resolved issues. Can’t leave out the Laconia’s PD. Had they resolved a few issues over the years instead of saying they had no jurisdiction we would not be here today


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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

The issue is not about tourism dollars, it’s about neighbored disruption due to crazy renters and property owners uninterested in resolving the problem. This is a non issue if the property owners resolved issues. Can’t leave out the Laconia’s PD. Had they resolved a few issues over the years instead of saying they had no jurisdiction we would not be here today


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It is all the same issue. Everyone is letting a very minimal amount of complaints determine what happens to the majority that have been successfully renting short term without any issue which then will trickle down and effect tourism dollars

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by joey2665

It is all the same issue. Everyone is letting a very minimal amount of complaints determine what happens to the majority that have been successfully renting short term without any issue which then will trickle down and effect tourism dollars

But the "majority" do not rent out their homes. Therefore it is incumbent on the minority to be really careful in messing with the majority's tranquility. Alas, they have not been careful enough

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

But the "majority" do not rent out their homes. Therefore it is incumbent on the minority to be really careful in messing with the majority's tranquility. Alas, they have not been careful enough

You are correct


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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

But the "majority" do not rent out their homes. Therefore it is incumbent on the minority to be really careful in messing with the majority's tranquility. Alas, they have not been careful enough

That’s a broad statement I do not agree with. The complaints have been minimal it is a classic case of overreacting to a few isolated incidents.


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[TiltonBB]

Critics said the new regulations are overly restrictive, and said property owners should have the flexibility to use their property for short-term rentals if they wish.

The amendments are scheduled for a first reading at Monday’s council meeting. If the council passes the amendments on the initial reading, they will be scheduled for a public hearing during the council meeting scheduled for Feb. 10.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...7b88ca62e.html

[WinnisquamZ]

Harold is listen to the big money in Laconia instead of families in neighborhoods. Very disappointing. Did not expect that from him. He should wait to see how the first rental season goes before saying it’s wrong and must be changed


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[tis]

It's sad though, isn't it, that people have to rent their property to pay their taxes?

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by tis

It's sad though, isn't it, that people have to rent their property to pay their taxes?

Sad, not at all. Short term rentals are targeted as investment income for their owners. Has little, if anything to do with someone’s abilities to afford ones housing choice. Owner occupied properties are exempt. So if one needs to rent a room to afford ones expenses so be it.
Short term rental permits are available for those that choose this type of investment. I believe the permit is the major hurdle that investment property owners are angry of. Opening the door to the city for inspection of a property that was updated without permits and not up to current safety codes.



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[tis]

WinnisquamZ


Maybe you are right, but some people rent their houses on the lake to pay or help pay the taxes. They have been in the family for years and they want to keep them.

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by tis

WinnisquamZ


Maybe you are right, but some people rent their houses on the lake to pay or help pay the taxes. They have been in the family for years and they want to keep them.

The home I currently live in has been in the family since 66’. I also must budget for the cost of ownership. We do without to keep it, and know that someday we may have to let it go. Until then, we enjoy it


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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Sad, not at all. Short term rentals are targeted as investment income for their owners. Has little, if anything to do with someone’s abilities to afford ones housing choice. Owner occupied properties are exempt. So if one needs to rent a room to afford ones expenses so be it.
Short term rental permits are available for those that choose this type of investment. I believe the permit is the major hurdle that investment property owners are angry of. Opening the door to the city for inspection of a property that was updated without permits and not up to current safety codes.

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I disagree the major complaint is short term rentals are limited to just the Weirs.


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[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I disagree the major complaint is short term rentals are limited to just the Weirs.


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Short term rentals are not limited to the Weirs. Those that have applied for permits outside of the Weirs area have been denied do to various issues.


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[thinkxingu]

Looks like the same thing happening in Lincoln: https://www.lincolnnh.org/home/news/...al-regulations

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[joey2665]

I think many are extremely underestimating the impact to the local economy if these new ordnance’s are passed. Including tourism in Laconia and values of homes decreasing.

If the city just put in some reasonable safety requirements and charged a tax such as Florida does it is a win win.

As written the enforcement of the new ordnance’s will end up costing the city much more than the 2 year 250.00 they are going to collect from the permits. Especially the 150 day owner occupancy rule.

All this over a few very isolated incidents. Ugh!!!


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[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I think many are extremely underestimating the impact to the local economy if these new ordnance’s are passed. Including tourism in Laconia and values of homes decreasing.

If the city just put in some reasonable safety requirements and charged a tax such as Florida does it is a win win.

All this over a few very isolated incidents. Ugh!

This has become a very big issue in Florida as well. There are several towns that are dealing with this issue and are facing the same problems that Laconia is. It seems like we’re going to have state regulations as opposed to each town having their own, but nothing is certain at this point.

The basic premise is that if you own a home in a single-family neighborhood, you have a certain expectation of quality of life.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

This has become a very big issue in Florida as well. There are several towns that are dealing with this issue and are facing the same problems that Laconia is. It seems like we’re going to have state regulations as opposed to each town having their own, but nothing is certain at this point.

The basic premise is that if you own a home in a single-family neighborhood, you have a certain expectation of quality of life.

Where in Florida? I rent my home on Marco all the time which is a huge rental market and there are not any major issues there.


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[Susie Cougar]

Anna Maria Island, Siesta Key are dealing with this near me. But, I heard that Jacksonville and other towns are dealing with this as well.

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I think many are extremely underestimating the impact to the local economy if these new ordnance’s are passed. Including tourism in Laconia and values of homes decreasing.

If the city just put in some reasonable safety requirements and charged a tax such as Florida does it is a win win.

As written the enforcement of the new ordnance’s will end up costing the city much more than the 2 year 250.00 they are going to collect from the permits. Especially the 150 day owner occupancy rule.

All this over a few very isolated incidents. Ugh!!!


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Though I do not rent property in Laconia, this topic seems to be a hot button issue in many communities and I would like to be educated on the subject when it hits my community. I do not want to be "fighting City Hall" as it were if this does in fact have an impact on my property.

My question is, where are you finding statistics stating that it is "isolated" or "very few incidents"? I see a number of people in this community and others that use those same terms.

[WinnisquamZ]

Correct. That is why one of the changes being pushed is for a “fire/smoke alarm only” inspection. Agree, with the city having liability if they dumb down the inspection. Would like to see us go thru a season before changes are adapted. Big money is making a lot of noice about these rental requires. Don’t believe, the city expected this pushback. Big money or city neighbors, who will prevail?



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[Laconiaflower]

Originally Posted by Red apple

Looks like they are cracking down on rental homes in Laconia. Letters going out to homeowners that rent by the week or night saying to stop or you will be fined $275/day. In order to keep renting you have to go to the city and apply for a zoning change. They state that renting is in violation of the city’s zoning ordinance and site plan regulations. Watch out everyone doing weekly rentals and Air B and B...


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Please note that all articles of this discussion that have been in paper (laconia daily sun) have noted that anything in the Weirs/Winnepasakee seasonal/summer rentals are not subject to these fines or ordinances and that whomever is renting to anyone, or anyone seeking an air b&b or like, laconia rental, should be aware of any and all of these ordinances and whether or not they apply to them, there ARE exceptions and certain areas and stipulations that DO PERMIT such arrangements.
Just wanting to clarify. Thanks!

[Redbarn]

Originally Posted by Laconiaflower

Please note that all articles of this discussion that have been in paper (laconia daily sun) have noted that anything in the Weirs/Winnepasakee seasonal/summer rentals are not subject to these fines or ordinances and that whomever is renting to anyone, or anyone seeking an air b&b or like, laconia rental, should be aware of any and all of these ordinances and whether or not they apply to them, there ARE exceptions and certain areas and stipulations that DO PERMIT such arrangements.
Just wanting to clarify. Thanks!

If you are doing short term rentals in laconia you need the permit no matter where you are. Wiers included (cr and sfr). In the wiers there are just different rules once you have the permit.

[Biggd]

So reviving this thread as I can see I'm going to have an issue this year in Meredith. The house across the street from me to the left was sold to investors this past winter to rent out on Air B&B. The first rental this Memorial Day weekend is young kids with no respect for neighbors. They are loud and obnoxious until late in the night. I have a feeling I will be calling the police tonight. So I can see why there has to be some oversight. We have had a rental directly across the street from us for years but this women has rented to the same families for many years and they have been very respectful. I can see we are going to have a problem this year.🤨

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[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Biggd

So reviving this thread as I can see I'm going to have an issue this year in Meredith. The house across the street from me to the left was sold to investors this past winter to rent out on Air B&B. The first rental this Memorial Day weekend is young kids with no respect for neighbors. They are loud and obnoxious until late in the night. I have a feeling I will be calling the police tonight. So I can see why there has to be some oversight. We have had a rental directly across the street from us for years but this women has rented to the same families for many years and they have been very respectful. I can see we are going to have a problem this year.🤨

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That sucks! Good luck!

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Biggd

So reviving this thread as I can see I'm going to have an issue this year in Meredith. The house across the street from me to the left was sold to investors this past winter to rent out on Air B&B. The first rental this Memorial Day weekend is young kids with no respect for neighbors. They are loud and obnoxious until late in the night. I have a feeling I will be calling the police tonight. So I can see why there has to be some oversight. We have had a rental directly across the street from us for years but this women has rented to the same families for many years and they have been very respectful. I can see we are going to have a problem this year.🤨

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The bummer here is that you have to figure out how to go after the owner, otherwise you're battling a new renter every week. A homeowner's association near my house discovered that one of its homes was sold to an investor for Air BnB. To nip the problem in the bud, they began enforcing an association rule that the shared beach required guests to be escorted by their homeowner hosts. Ouch!

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by Biggd

So reviving this thread as I can see I'm going to have an issue this year in Meredith. The house across the street from me to the left was sold to investors this past winter to rent out on Air B&B. The first rental this Memorial Day weekend is young kids with no respect for neighbors. They are loud and obnoxious until late in the night. I have a feeling I will be calling the police tonight. So I can see why there has to be some oversight. We have had a rental directly across the street from us for years but this women has rented to the same families for many years and they have been very respectful. I can see we are going to have a problem this year.🤨

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Find out if they went through a rental agency and notify the agency. I work with Bayside Rentals, never had a problem, but they make it very clear that they'll handle anything that comes along.

[Red apple]

So I know there are a lot of renters but the NH Governor put a ban on all renters since COVID -19? Did they open this back up or is everyone that is doing it renting against the states orders.

[WinnisquamZ]

Renters this past weekend at one house. Other two on the road were empty


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[Biggd]

I looked up the house I mentioned on VRBO and it's booked for July and August. They are getting $300 per night, 3br, says sleeps ten. There were at least ten there Saturday night. I just don't understand how they are going to make any money, between paying taxes, insurance, cleaning fees, and mortgage payments. They paid 715K for the property.

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