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06-19-2018, 06:39 AM | #101 |
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I totally agree w/the idea of choice when it comes to helmets, my point was that I don’t understand why. Poor Richard’s response (someone who rides, I don’t) reinforces my point. I just doesn’t make sense to me.
I see your point about cars but I guess it’s my 50 years of driving without a helmet that taints my thinking. Probably same for long time helmetless bikers. Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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Do you think if NH had a helmet law that it would hurt Bike week?
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Additionally you would find that during bike week people would not pay attention to the law, and law enforcement would be to concentrated on other more important duties during the week of the event.
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Back to the cost of living factors...
1975 had no cell phone bills 1975 had no internet service provider bills 1975 health insurance was much cheaper 1975 people ate out much less 1975 was the year I graduated high school and probably the last year in which I had no concern about finances. |
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You don't think people without helmets would be cited if NH had a helmet law? I have seen police officers standing on the side of the road watching for any violation. When a rider stopped in heavy traffic on a hot day raised his face shield to vent some heat he was stopped for no eye protection. I have seen UNH Campus Police stop someone with a can of Coke and demand to smell the Coke. For many, many years there were too many police officers with nothing to do except interact with motorcycle riders. This year there was a noticeable decrease in the number of police officers passing by and it was a welcome change. I still believe it is too little, too late. It would take some big changes to revive Bike Week and I, for one, don't see that on the horizon. |
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I for one feel Bike week brings a tremendous amount of money into the Lakes Region, if only there could be more ways to bring money to the local businees's.
I don't own a bike , but enjoy bringing a number of my friends up for a few days to spend money on food, beer and gas as we enjoy a few days away from work. Its been said before, what the weirs needs is a better restaurant at the Pier, and a better dock system to encourage more boaters to visit. I don't think there is a better spot on the lake, remember they are not making anymore lakefront property on Winni. People like me who own their own business are always looking for ways to bring people into my business to spend money, its a tradition, bike week will never end. |
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We didn't stay for the full week of Bike Week. I and the dogs love the rumble of the bikes. Back at home I have met several who attended bike week on the weekend but alas had to work during the week. I met one young man who won his bike in the raffle.
On another count, we always bought things when we could pay cash. So after many years seeing my F-I-L buying a car every 2 years or so after paying off the loan, I wised up. Credit allows all sorts of purchases altho we pay cash for autos. Also keep them long time, putting 1,2,3 hundred thousand miles on each. One had 330 thousand + and was replaced only because I told my wife I wanted to make it new, new paint, replacing some interior leather. No problems with the engine. We were coming home and she said "drive to the dealer". Heck, just so happened that an auto just arrived that we both loved. So we bought that and donated ours to charity. Drove that one for open air on weekends mostly until another one entered our view. Guess what. No, the old one was not donated. Given to our son since these stay in families. I got off subject, using credit was a boon to financial well being. ---------------------------------------------- I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic |
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I am pleased to report that I had an AWESOME BIKE WEEK! Charlie St Clair will need to find a lot more old people, trikes, and police if he wants to spoil my good time!
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A family plan now is 4 times that with $25 co pays and $4000 deductibles for each person. That's insane! I'm a year away from Medicare and it will cost me more at 65 to get less coverage for just me and my wife than it cost for complete coverage back then when I had a family of 5. |
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From Bike Week ( Thread Title)
to Cost of Living I just laugh at how fast & how many threads get wayyyyyyyy off topic and spiral into the abys .
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Perhaps my age/ Generation is showing -- but I too digress -- the working thesis that "Bike Week attendance is declining because the younger generation cannot afford as many/as pricey activities". I beg to differ -- they simply don't give a crap about Bike Week -- thus why most attendee's are silver haired !! .
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BW is over: how'd it go?
Boom, bust, or ??
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Our generation was the mechanical generation, theirs is the electronics generation. We dreamt of building things. They dream of buying things, but not motorcycles. They don't want to get their hands dirty. Invest in companies that produce hand sanitizer. Those are my observations. |
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From bike week to financial advice to....
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Things are different
I think Jetskier nailed it. I see it with my kids. No interest in boating, motorcycling, snowmobiling, even though I tried hard to get them to do like and enjoy these activities. When we were kids, we used to build forts, go-karts, motorized bikes. We had three channels on TV (five if you include 38 and 56) and no video games. Kids now are more interested in technology. I grew up in the Weirs where my parents owned cottages along Weirs Boulevard, and have been a part of Bike Week for 40+ years. I don't think economics has anything to do with the lack of interest in Bike Week. Changing interests is the reason.
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It is so true. We desperately need kids to go into the trades. Also, there is such a truck driver shortage that the warehouses are backing up. Somebody needs to pay attention to this problem. Maybe perception needs to be swayed? I do hear a lot more lately about kids shouldn't go to college just to go to college.
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A huge transition
There are big changes afoot in the economy that are accelerating. Production of goods gets cheaper while provision of services is becoming more expensive. Simple services/labor will be taken over by automation while skilled services are in greater demand and at greater cost. The changes are happening too fast for many folks to adapt to. There is a skilled tradesman gap that isnt being filled yet even as many other jobs require greater secondary education & computer skills. Health care sits at the nexus of greater education needs and skilled service so the cost of it is exploding. Truck drivers are about to be replaced by automation. Burger flippers & floor sweepers same thing. Skilled craftsman and direct personal care not so much.
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New hobbies...
The dwindling attendance at bike week may be due to a transition of hobbies of younger folks. As mentioned earlier 3 tv channels & no social media made for more exploratory fun. While bass fishing is a new high school sport! the population of fishermen is becoming a more graybeard dominated thing. Wherever I've fished with my teenage son we've been enough of an 'oddity' to make strangers comment how nice it it to see a father & son fishing together. Even got a similar comment at AJs when I was there with my son. This was a common thing to see when I was young. Also now there seems to be many more solitary people fishing in boats these days. I think the outdoors is losing out to the indoors poulated by electronics....
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"They’re more likely than previous generations to attend college—which means they’re more likely to have student debt. That, naturally, leads to less discretionary income. “The difference between $15K and $26K of student debt is $130/month, which is equivalent to a monthly loan payment on a ~$8,000 bike,” the analysts wrote."
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I do think that over the years it's spread out more over the Lakes Region and beyond. I think it used to be centered more at Weirs and we didn't see as many over here as we do now.
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It used to be a nice 3 day week-end, now it has been dragged out to 10 days.
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When did they change it from 3 days to 10 days?
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It started in 1916. The number of participants grew each year as did the event’s duration. Over time, the rally blossomed into a week-long event, eventually suffering in attendance and popularity after getting wrapped up in the upheavals of the 60’s.
The rally reverted to a 3-day weekend and would remain so until 1991, when organizers revived the week-long event after seeing the success of Sturgis’ 50th Anniversary Rally in 1990. In 1991 Laconia Motorcycle Week reclaimed the support of local businesses and the AMA as a week-long rally and the oldest gypsy tour in the country. |
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The races / original weekend event drastically changed after the riot in the mid 60's. I casually followed motor cycle racing back then when I was a teen and attended some of those races. The states response to the riot was to bring in a huge and overwhelming law enforcement presence and completely eliminate off road side camping. No mater what you were driving back then if you stopped "anywhere" even for a "minute" on the side of the road (after the riot year) even if you were broken down they would tow you away to eliminate large motorcycle clubs gathering that usually fought with each other from forming that they knew they could not control. A lot of effort was to made to make sure anyone who came and planed to stay overnight or any length of time had to have a paid place to stay. Some great old newspaper articles here at weirsbeach.com http://www.weirsbeach.com/Largejpgs/weirsriot.html A few weeks latter article from LIFE magazine. July 1965 https://books.google.com/books?id=T1...page&q&f=false Last edited by Top-Water; 06-23-2018 at 11:07 AM. |
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Roadside Camping. ⛺️
Years ago, people would camp out on a variety of sites along Route 106. Residents would sit in their front yards to watch the bikers pass by. 🏍
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It is my feeling that there are many young people in this area who know that the trades offer a very viable life style. Unfortunately, many of these young people come from environments that neither know of, or understand, the supporting monetary avenues available to them to help them create a justifiable resume. Many of them think they'll simply start their own "hands-on" business- competing with each other until the law of Social Darwinism takes over.
Besides, the news tells us everyday that young people just don't want to stay in country living, and that we are on a course where we won't be able to sustain a viable work force. Hey. Trades fees will go up! Stay!!! |
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Kids these days.
They don't want to own motorcycles. They prefer living in urban environments. They want white collar not blue collar jobs. They don't enjoy casino gambling. And to turn the world upside down, look how they date: back in the day you met someone in a bar, took them home, **** and then decided whether you want to see them again; now they meet online and get to know each other pretty well before actually meeting. Oh, the horror!
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With the forecasting of a drop in trades people coming up, I bet some established folks would be willing to hire the right person for lower pay while offering an education unaffordable to many, otherwise. If they haven't gotten themselves to a point where they can afford to own a business, they don't need to know how to run one. That's all I meant. |
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"Do you think if NH had a helmet law that it would hurt Bike week?"
Yes, I think it would have an impact. I own 3 motorcycles, have raced in at least 10 different states (including Loudon and Daytona) and have attended many Bike Weeks here. My feeling is that being able to remove your helmet is a motivator for a certain segment of the MC population. I would NEVER consider riding a bike without a helmet, but recognize that there are some that think otherwise. I suggest NH consider implementing a helmet law. Bike Week is important, but in the big picture helmet use is much more important. |
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I think that would be the nail in the coffin. I don't ride anymore but I'd be pissed if I HAD to wear a helmet.
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