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This should make the summer even busier!
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I don't think the point is the vaccine availability. The article, and the headline, is about masks, not vaccines.
Many people will want to flee Maskachusetts for mask free New Hampshire. |
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Portsmouth, Nashua, and Hanover have all extended the mask mandate until June 30. Believe, other popular towns will follow. Curious what approach each local business here in the lakes region takes
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Already got an email from Common Man saying all their properties will still require employee's, customers, and service people to be wearing masks.
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Unfortunately, many will be selecting where to shop and dine
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Believe after May 7 the occupancy limit is lifted so wait time will decrease. But, limited waitstaff hires will limit occupancy. It’s crazy stuff going on here in the Lakes Region. I see little changing with his lifting on the mask mandate as many local businesses and town will add a mask mandate.
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Lifting mask mandate
Lifting the mask mandate is crazy logic. New Hampshire is experiencing increases in COVID, and lifting the mask mandate in the face of increasing COVID is just plain wrong. Just exactly what is so wrong about wearing a mask?
Of course there are times when it isn't feasible, but, by and large, wearing a mask is hardly an imposition, especially in light of the protection is provides and in light of the possible ill effects (pun intended) of not wearing a mask. People wear warm clothes in the winter to keep warm because being cold is not good for you, and people wear sun tan lotion in the summer to protect themselves because too much sun isn't good for you, so why not wear a mask when out and about to protect your respiratory system (and, to some extent, that of your neighbor). |
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No one is stopping you from wearing a mask. Assume you have been vaccinated, so what is your concern? As of Monday everyone who wants to be vaccinated in NH can be, so I ask again. What is your concern?
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Have you seen the numbers in NH? Infection rate is double what it was in early March. Only 27% are vaccinated in NH. Hey, if I see restaurants THAT I HAVE BEEN GOING TO, having staff with no masks, I won't be going there any more. I totally felt safer in NH last summer. Right now, I feel safer in MA (even though they similarly pulled some stupid moves too). |
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My concern is......
5,800 "breakthrough" cases so far among those who have been fully vaccinated. 73% of the population hasn't even been vaccinated yet. There's still a long road ahead.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...lly-protective
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Haven’t left the house today. Anyone visit local establishments with or without the mask?
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My wife made a good point. If a restaurant even decides to continue having its staff wear masks and now half the patrons won’t wear them we’re not going in with our masks on. And I guarantee we are not alone in our thinking. This lifting of mandate will hurt some businesses more than help. Vaccines and masks are not a guarantee. But the more EVERYONE wears them, and the more that get vaccinated the better the statistics get and the sooner we’ll put the fire out. My work place is in NH. Actually near the hot spots in NH. With mandate I felt safe occasionally going in. Everyone had masks and was being careful. Now I feel less safe and I won’t go in as often. It’s having the reverse effect lifting the mandate before the storm is over. Last edited by mswlogo; 04-18-2021 at 10:11 AM. |
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I have no problem with still wearing a mask indoors but I will be happy to have it off my face when walking around out doors.
I have seasonal allergies and it's no fun when your nose is running and you have a mask on. |
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We will now go out and spend more. Sick of the paranoid nonsense and the hysteria. People can live in their bubble and should stay away if they don’t feel safe. Everyone’s free will. I’ll FINALLY be able to exercise mine again.
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I don't feel any less free when wearing a mask.
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As 35th President of the U.S.A, 44-year old John F Kennedy, said on January 20, 1960 at his inauguration day acceptance speech: MASK not what your country can do for you - MASK what you can do for your country! .....
President Kennedy went on to say: Yes, my fellow Americans ..... if ONE mask is a good thing ...... then wearing TWO masks is a very, very good thing! ....... so's let us continue forward with our mask program ...... here .... and wear a mask, indoors, at a store or a public venue with other people around and about ...... moving forward with the ongoing pandemic ...... is still needed and necessary to mask-up in public! ...
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I am so sorry to wish this but I would LOVE to see one or all of you on a ventilator. I am sure you would change your tune.
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A year ago the NH cry was keep out those MA-holes who will infect us....stay home!
Seasonal residents came earlier and stayed longer...supporting the local economies Throughout the summer cases were primarily in larger metro areas and along the MA boarder. Come fall...seasonals retreat, and anti maskers are more vocal in the Lakes Region. By December many many more covid outbreaks in areas where mask mandates were ignored By April 2021 small towns continue to see increases in covid cases. So now that restaurants are opening, I am guessing they will continue to require masks as those out of state seasonals return, with masks and or vaccinated. It will be for the protection of their employees and business. |
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I am thinking that I only noticed because it seemed odd to actually see peoples faces. |
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Great news for sure... unfortunately it seems some that have been caged don't want to be free. For those fearing ... stay at your homes in hiding while the rest of the state goes about their business.
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What you’ve described is similar to the Stockholm Syndrome. Hard to believe.
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Another perspective
Perhaps there are more people that feel by wearing masks when appropriate will help the greater good to get back to normal. Also there is that variant factor which like so much about this virus is new and long term impact is really not known. Verses people that are only concerned about their personal choice and rights.
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If you believe that, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.
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Being on a ventilator and drugged to unconsciousness is being "caged". Yes, I'd like to avoid the later |
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Either she is very lucky or she's doing everything right. She also said we had a very lite flu season because of social distancing and masks this past winter. The biggest issue is most people don't wear the proper mask or don't wear the one they have properly. Not all masks are created equal. Medical facilities have been using N95 masks for ever, way before we saw Covid. But I guess they just wear them to look professional. |
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Yes, I agree with you.
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I agree too. No one seems to have changed their minds on masks and social distancing.
Although the people who argued against masks and social distancing a year ago were also saying this will blow over quickly without big public health consequences. With 500,000 dead, we can all see now that there have been gigantic public health consequences. |
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I wonder how many of the 550K dead were mask-wearers.
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Masks work, there's no question about it at this point. And to minimize the almost 600k dead from Covid as "a flu" given that it's at least 10x deadlier even after incredibly aggressive mitigation methods were taken this last year is ridiculous.
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Ok, say mask wearers are wrong? But we wear them to be overly cautious. What happens? You wear a mask for 6 more months, waste $50, look silly and you can’t itch your nose so easy. All for nothing. What if the mask wearers are right? And we abandon wearing them now when we know they are effective. Another 500K or more people die than could have been prevented. Tough choice isn’t it? |
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It’s not a tough choice at all. If you want to keep looking ridiculous and try to display for all your sense of virtuous self-regard, keep wearing the mask for the rest of your life. For normal people the choice is simple, especially those who’ve been vaccinated: act normal, ditch the silliness, and live life.
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Is that all you're worried about, "looking ridiculous"? We all know that looking good is much more important than feeling good?
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People get sick all the time. It’s a flu. Granted, worse than is typical, but a flu. Theatrics and feigned incredulity don’t make it otherwise.
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Winter is flu season. Covid has no season. It's with us year round.
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Talk about living free. I could care less what it looks like. That's freedom. They live in FEAR of what people think they look like. |
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It’s the unvaccinated who are the problem. And it is the unvaccinated who may prevent any return to normalcy.
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But one issue you can see from this thread is that certain people are caused deep physical or psychic pain (haha) by doing anything that acknowledges covid's danger. This tears society between the covid-conscious and the deniers. And there are still 100MM(?) Americans waiting in line for vaccines. I'm happy to stay masked a while longer out of respect/support for those in line. Though in another couple of months, I'll have no patience for those too stupid to have protected themselves |
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I also believe that masks do have a place and still wear them even after vaccinated. But this forum doesn’t need another discussion to persuade the unpersuadable.
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Yes I’m vaccinated. Everyone should get vaccinated. But I never wore or owned a mask. I lived. And I had gotten sick I would have lived.
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You may think you don't look ridiculous but you are proving otherwise.
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There is not a hint of any science showing that mask wearing among the general population does anything at all to limit covid transmission, actually the opposite and causes other problems. Early on even Saint Fauci stated in an accidentaly moment of honesty that masks could do more harm than good becasue people constantly fidgit with them, touch their face a lot, wear them wrong and reuse them too much. This makes logical common sense and there is science to back it up. I challenge anyone to come up with an actual scientific study showing masks do any good in public. "it can't hurt" is not science.
A Stanford/National institute of health study details the actual facts. This will not get wide publication because the power structure wants masks to be an object of control as well as a handy thing to blame any surge in cases on. Never mind that the southern border is wide open with untested thousands flooding over and then being let loose or transported around the country. No, cases are up because people are not wearing masks. Of course the truthfulness of the actual numbers is another topic for a different discussion. read the whole thing here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/ summary Quote:
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You must have missed Think's post #44 above--he links to an article in the Journal of the American Medical Assoc that documents the evidence
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Mask Do Not Work?
So for those who do not believe they do not work...would you allow your dentist to do work on you without a mask? How about have a minor or major surgery procedure? Would you be OK with your medical team not wearing a mask?
One thing there is no shortage of are unfounded facts! Reality is the virus, and vaccines are not old enough to really know what the overall long run effects are. How would you feel if you are vaccinated, and thus move around freely and unknowingly are exposed to the virus and while you may not feel any symptoms you could have it and spread it. No big deal until people around who for some reason may not be able to be vaccinated get ill and die! Then again there are those that are considerate of others and those that only care about themselves. Each has the freedom to decide which group they wish to belong. |
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But that is just my opinion..... I think if we could turn back time, and not mandate mask, we would find the trajectory of the future doesn't change much. The biggest thing that was done to help stop the spread, was social distancing, and people working from home.... Mask IMHO, are just a feel good measure.... nothing more nothing less.
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so what? AMA is no more believeable than anyone else. Common sense says masks paper masks on untrained people are stupid. CDC and WHO have not demonstrated and reason to trust them either.
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Again we differ. Use your head and think, don’t “feel”. And it’s “might think” not “may think.”
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I wasn’t being condescending, just helpful. I wonder how many mask people are still wearing gloves and spraying groceries? lol. If not, why not?
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We are all forum friends, just with varying outlooks and opinions. I have no doubt we would all have a great time together if the forum fests were to begin again. I enjoy everyone on here.
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I am no scientist but I have been in plenty of stores around the Lakes Region and otherwise where there have been people sneezing, coughing etc with no regard for anyone. Even those with "a cold" that are too ignorant to cover their mouth..... I don't need science to tell me that is not healthy for anyone around them, let alone disgusting.
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Not condescending? Bah humbug!
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We should all realize we all want the same thing. We all want to get back to "normal" ASAP. Can we all agree on that?
I think one thing that really gets under peoples skin is comments of it's just a bad flu and overblown. A lot of people have had direct loved ones affected and it's a pretty horrible thing. You'd have to be living under rock to seriously think this is just a bad flu. It's 10x worse. And the Flu is not anything to sneeze at (no pun intended). It hits some countries a lot harder than others due to poor care. Another thing I think is being confused is the TYPE of masks being referenced. When this started I was using an N95 type mask (without the Valve). They were pretty tough to use for long periods or if you exerted yourself. Everyone was saying, how can you breath in that. I couldn't Finally I switched to the "Surgical" masks. These are much more loose fitting. And what you mostly see these days in public. They don't seal as good but they allow you to breath easier and don't have some of the negative effects of the tight fitting N95 type masks. The Pro's outweigh the negatives (for this application, public daily use). They basically reduce the odds of you sucking in a direct hit or you sending one out. Not a guarantee at all. They have been used for decades. Part of the reason the WHO were saying not to use "masks" by the general population is because N95 were in short supply. And that's partly what they were referring to. You need to rotate them a lot to warrant them and reserve them for direct contact situations. You are seeing some references that a in the extremes. Like the public population using N95 or "transmission" tests using the looser fitting surgical mask with "immersed" exposure. This is a nice summary that I don't think is biased, current and references The WHO and CDC recommendations. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...k/art-20485449 I will say, this is the first winter I can remember in eons I didn't get an inevitable cold. Usually passes from one co-worker to another. It might be a 2 day sniffle or 2 weeks of hacking once or twice a winter. I had nothing this winter. And it was not just masks of course. All the social distancing measures contributed to that. |
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Your first post was flat out wrong. Now, instead of acknowledging that and saying thanks for the "hint", you move the goal posts and go to the ridiculous assertion that a person is no better off with leading doctors than they would be with anyone else. |
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You don't really get the seriousness of it until it affects you personally and I don't wish that on anyone.
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Those are all enough reasons for me to wear a mask when around people/indoors. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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The number of people that have “recovered” but with serious degradation in the quality life has not been tallied yet. But it could be huge and will cost society a huge burden to support them. This is what might bankrupt the country in the long run. Even if COVID disappeared today. The damage in its wake is far beyond just the deaths. My #1 reason for wearing a mask is to not be a burden on society. |
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Sue, perception of the message is beyond the speaker’s control because it is filtered through the reader’s experience and biases. Intent is all that matters and I know the sincerity of my intent. Here’s to a great upcoming summer.
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SUB-Microscopic...
I wear a mask to signal others to keep their distance.
This virus is SUB-microscopic: which means the mask is more comparatively porus to this virus than a chain link fence! (And you can't see it, even with a conventional microscope). Whether or not you're a carrier, a wet sneeze into your mask should tell you volumes. |
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As someone else said, anyone can find studies and artilcles to support which side of the fence you're on. I think the biggest difference is some people care about the greater good and others are only concerned about themselves and what they feel is being taken away from them.
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Pro-maskers: Always pushing their positions and agendas on everyone, including those that have different beliefs about mask wearing. It’s clear that the “Karens” of society are pro-maskers, and are the ones getting in other people’s faces when they are not wearing a mask. How many reports have you heard about anti-maskers screaming at people for wearing masks? That’s right, zero is the answer. Anti-maskers: This group has no problem with the pro-maskers wearing masks wherever and whenever they want. What they do have a problem with is the pro-maskers getting in their faces about mask wearing, all under the guise of “love thy neighbor” and compliance for “the greater good”. If the pro-maskers believe that the masks actually work, that’s great. Keep wearing them, but for God’s sake, please leave the rest of us alone. We don’t get in your face, so stay the hell out of our faces. The guilt angle about mask wearing will never work. |
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Pro-maskers follow science and accept that a little bit of give creates a better whole for everyone. Anti-maskers scoff at science and embrace conspiracy theory in the name of justifying whatever it is they want at the moment. I wear a mask in public because I accept that my freedom doesn't have the right to infringe on others'. I also believe, however, that businesses, and other private institutions, should be able to choose how they approach masks (or ANY behavior) in terms of what's best for their businesses and customers. I equate Covid to smoking. You have a right to smoke, but your smoking should not affect my freedom to breathe fresh air. And, when people are in public, the good of the whole supercedes the wishes of the one. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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What is the thought (if any) process of Anti-maskers?
I don't give a s**t if everyone dies because of my stupidity as long as I look good? It is all fake news because orange buffoon said so. I don’t get it. |
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No need to bring politics into this. The anti-maskers have their opinion, the maskers have their opinion. Just leave it at that because all this childish banter is not going to change anyone's mind.
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By not wearing your mask, you are jeopardising my life and increasing my chances of catching the virus. |
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Anti-maskers are the same people who were covid-deniers a year ago. Now that the data is overwhelming that they were wrong, they have switched to personal attacks. (like "Karen") Please go back, read your old posts and your compatriots' old posts. Then let us know why you have any credibility at all on covid today |
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The only way I am jeopardizing you if if you believe the masks and vaccine dont work. It you are worried then protect yourself that is your responsibility, my not wearing a mask has NO affect on you just me if I want to take that risk.
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I will discuss the benefits of wearing a mask with you once you show me a copy of your degree in epidemiology. Until then, you are just a waste of my time.
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As you are wasting mine. My mask wearing has NO benefit to you if you are wearing yours (according to your science) unless again you do not believe your science. FYI I would love to see your epidermist certificate
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