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Sununu - 1,000 Cases Per Day - Covid-19
"“We have 350 cases today. If you ask me where we’ll be in two weeks, I think we’re over a thousand. I think that’s it,” Sununu said."
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15% of my students were out today. Got an email an hour ago from a student asking what work she'll need while quarantining these next couple weeks. My reply, "wait—you were in class TODAY." Five minutes later, I received an email asking to confirm my seating chart for contact tracing. I'm now sitting here wondering a. what I'll need to do for my classes if I need to be out, b. how I deal with things in my family, c. how susceptible I am to Covid complications, d. ad infinitum. The situation blows all around...and it's only going to get worse in the upcoming weeks. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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Everyone needs to be taking vitamin D supplements every day. This will help build your immune system so you can fight the virus better. Take them with food because they are fat soluble. It’s a simple thing we can all do.
think, I am sorry that you are in this situation. Believe it or not, schools in Baltimore have not opened yet. I’m not sure they ever will now. Everything is just so strange and different now. |
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Thanksgiving ...???
Curious...what’s everyone doing about Thanksgiving? We are invited to our son’s home, which we’re really looking forward to, but there would be 5 of them, 2 of us, our D.I.L’s mother and sister, plus her brother’s family of 3. I am no mathematician but that sounds like 12, with 5 from MA, 2 from NH, 4 from CT, and 1 Floridian. Yikes! I know it’s probably a no brainer, but I don’t want to be the one to cancel. On the other hand, our hosts might be relieved.....they love doing it year after year, but this is different, of course. Sorry for rambling.
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Yet zero cases to date linked to any "protest" anywhere across the US
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Nothing on the CDC Charts and findings with where clusters are coming from. Not even a category
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I will be staying home and enjoying a Maria Callender's Turkey pot pie.
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Yes there are more positives but mostly mild and asymptotic cases. Notice the hospitals are not being overcrowded like before and the recovery rate is over 99%. I’m sorry at those numbers no one it going to stop our family from getting together for thanksgiving and Christmas. As I said they already previously scared us into not celebrating Easter and Palm Sunday this year we will do our best but at the same time live our lives. Life is too short no matter what not to celebrate our family. Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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Here's a risk calculator that seems well-grounded. Enter your number of people, pick your spot on the map. Flip a coin on the ascertainment bias. Then decide if the risk is worth it to you.
For us, it was the actual risk plus various individuals' stress levels around risk. https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/ |
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We as a family have decided that we are comfortable with assembling for the holidays and that we take as many precautions as possible. For others if you are not comfortable then don’t do it as you will not enjoy your family if you are apprehensive about being there to begin with. To each his own. Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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I agree it's very sad. We did not use it in our deliberations, but I thought it might be helpful to those trying to understand the risk.
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Can we please start to talk about the recovery rates?!? All along the covid tracking has kept neg results and they far outnumbered the pos. I know, anyone I discussed it with said there just too many false positives to rely on that number. Well come on now, what are we doing? In MA we are now; masked in all public places. Just had 2 weeks rink closures. Most schools remote ( ours just went remote for 2 weeks but back in class now). Restaurants closed at 9:30 pm (the final nail for sure). 10pm curfews Limits to Tday / Xmas YET! The numbers are skyrocketing...oh, and baker Keeps touting kids need to be in school. Can’t have Your cake and eat it too. I’m sorry...I don’t see how throwing darts at the wall is science. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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If you look at the MA dept of Health Chart (attached), being at home is the most risk of catching it. When is comes to the hockey shutdown and for some reason they got it out for hockey: When they shut hockey down in their executive order they said 30 clusters creating 107 cases they shut us down on 10/23 and opened hockey back up 11/7- just in youth and men’s league hockey The chart from the MA dept of health Shows that between 10/11 and 11/7 (mind you hockey was shut down for two out of those three weeks) that youth organized athletics and camps, that means any and every organized sports activity 14 clusters for 41 cases Prior to 10/11 and 24 clusters for 17 cases (going back to the March shutdown) So here you go 1 - First off how do you have fewer cases than clusters if a cluster is defined by two or more cases from one spot 2 - Total across all sports is 58 cases going back to start of shutdown and including the shutdown, less than the 107 they said in executive order to shut down hockey 3 - where did they get their numbers to justify the hockey shut down and no other sport 4 - the numbers before the shut down were lower than during the shut down period I was one that was in favor at the beginning, waiting to see the numbers and science and conditions, now I am in the camp of Enough is enough, people should be able to live their lives and make their own risk decisions. Oh and to those that say its for others not you? Almost half a million people die from smoking every year and about that 25-30,000 are from second hand smoke, yet smoking is legal and you don't have to wear a mask. Same could be said for Alcohol related deaths, and other communicable viruses/diseases.
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Usually, at Thanksgiving and Christmas while eating a $2.48 Marie Callender turkey pot pie, http://www.mariecallendersmeals.com/...turkey-pot-pie ....... all totally alone, just me and Marie, for the umpteenth year in a row ..... now ..... too many years ...... I just have a good long cry and then go outside, out to the cold outdoors, and go rake some leaves or shovel some snow ...... but no crying for me this year, not this year, not in 2020.
Because, what really matters is waking up every new morning without a newly formed, overnight minor build-up of phlegm in my lungs ..... which is how it starts. Good morning ....... yes, I'm still alive! ...... and ...... very happy to be here! Is definitely better to be lonely and miserable than to suffocate to death, as breathing becomes more difficult with each passing day. Besides, I would so miss my #1 best girl friend, ever-ever-ever ...... that Marie Callender! ...... ...... ho-ho-ho!
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1 - Fewer 'Confirmed' cases than clusters. 'Confirmed' being the operative word here. 4 - Increase in cases always lag by about 2 weeks. If they are seeing numbers that prompt a shut down, the numbers during the shutdown will probably by higher than when the shut down was ordered. In fact, the increased numbers is proof that their concern was justified. |
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I agree that the recovery rates are good news. But if your primary metric is deaths, then this is sort of irrelevant. We are now at something like 250K in the US, and climbing--a thousand more every day or so
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I work in a school that is open full time. In my community, we had a big spike in cases that were traced back to Halloween parties and some private parties at restaurants/bars. Right now there are about a dozen schools that have gone remote due to cases among students and staff.
The message I sent to my school community here is that everyone needs to be aware that the actions they choose to take over the Thanksgiving break (and anytime, for that matter) can impact others. I am careful and am not too concerned about the virus for me. I also know that if I test positive, my whole school (we are a small school) goes remote, something no one wants. Therefore, I have modified my holiday plans. We all need to make our own choices, but need to recognize that the choices we make potentially have consequences for others. These will be different for each of us. I don't think we need a "one size fits all" approach and hope that as we weigh our decisions we factor in how what we do could impact others. |
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Let's not forget those 250k deaths are AFTER all we've done to curb the spread of the virus.
Honestly, now that my students' tests are coming back positive and my tire shop just called to let me know the salesman I worked with last week tested positive, I'm starting to feel like the walls are closing in a bit. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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Most participants were wearing masks in those previous protests. And the recent celebrations in the streets were mostly mask wearers. Be interesting to see what happens after last Saturdays protests of mainly unmasked participants.
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Images broadcatst on TV in the near future of direly ill patients being denied medical care because the hospitals are overwhelmed will not instill holiday cheer if what I fear may soon happen does indeed come to pass. It's clear by now that this is not "just a flu:" over a quarter million dead Americans and still counting. We were once a group of people able to work together for a common purpose, e.g. defeating the Axis in WWII; what happened to us?
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What many people are not recognizing through all this is the nurses and doctors that are putting their lives on hold to help all these people who are infected with this desease, many of whom have disregarded all the precautions to slow the spread. It's really not fair to them to disregard the science and do what ever you want to do because you are willing to take the risk. They can't make that choice, they are at risk 24/7 because their job is to help people no matter the risk.
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It's been almost 9 months and most of us have been behaving and doing as we have been directed to do by our government and "experts". And yet here is another surge. And although this surge was expected my guess is the same demographic is being impacted again -- the elderly and those with underlying health issues. So why not insist they stay inside and be protected? The elderly (and some obviously unhealthy people) are still out shopping at Hannaford, WalMart, Lowe's, etc. so they are putting themselves at risk by being out there among potential carriers. Sorry, but we haven't insisted those at risk stay at home -- and to me that seems to be the best way to protect them. GB |
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Lets be a little more clear...masks are mandated when social distancing can't be maintained (Edited to add:in outdoor settings)
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Masks to slow the Spread
Many people have missed the larger point. Our healthcare systems have a limited capacity. Each hospital room requires a certain amount of trained health professions, which are a limited resource. When a hospital is forced to reallocate its human resources to care for very ill covid patients, that means there are no staff left to take care of other emergencies.
The entire plea to slow the spread is to preserve the healthcare system and not burn out the finite healthcare workers. For those that are selfish enough to ignore the request to wear a mask, just hope you do not come into ill health such as a heart attack or an accident where you need hospital care and you arrive to find they are full and not taking anyone! |
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The point is that so few will die from this disease (see the numbers) and yet we are not doing enough to protect the most vulnerable. We slap on a mask and call it good. Those individuals need to be better protected. Now, because you are a total stranger and have zero affect on my life in any way I will not start a pointless back and forth with you. GB |
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Putting this virus into perspective can be helpful. First, gravy boats math is correct but his contention that "only" 250,000 will die needs to be rephrased have died. The projections I'm seeing indicate that by the end of February when the epidemic had been with us for a full year that number is likely to be over 400,000.
By way of comparison, annual US deaths run around: drinking and driving (10,000), opioid abuse (70,000), influenza (10 yr avg around 38,000), and smoking-related (480,000). I am honestly interested in gravy boat's suggestion the the most vulnerable should be better protected. Thoughts on how that might be done, gravy boat? |
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the numbers before the MA shut down went down???? but those were over a month old and should not have changes oh wait and the shut down period numbers almost all went down, except for the household clusters which rose. The State's numbers not mine. I am just a citizens watching and doing my own research on the virus cases and fear. The state shut down hockey due to the case info prior to 10/18. 30 clusters for 107 cases. Now clusters across All Organized Athletics/Camps in the state is 30 clusters for 7, yes 7 cases for that period and the clusters went down from 14 to 12 for the 3 week period and the cases went down from 41 to 31 again the definition of a cluster is more than two cases coming from the same spot.
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Fully Can understand for sure, and they need a break, and it depends on location. I have three family members in one hospital working ( a large one in the city of Boston) as of this morning they have 5 Covid cases in their Covid Ward.
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I am a senior citizen on the younger end of the Covid danger range but do have one of the comorbidities. I would like to push back on the notion that I should just stay home and protect myself. I do need groceries and am perfectly capable of getting out to shop and would like to save the options of costly delivery or burdening neighbors to get them for a time when I could be sick. Do I quit going out for regular doctor, dentist or dermatologist appointments and regular tests that now are hopefully keeping me healthy? I am willing to forego seeing grandchildren and friends in person - Zoom and Facetime will suffice for now. I do wear a mask, social distance and carry hand sanitizer to use, maybe obsessively, so I feel as if I am doing everything I can to still fulfill my needs and be safe. What I need is for YOU to do your part and do the same. I think most realize the necessity and are doing a good job, but it is very disheartening to read of those who have decided to take their chances and don't feel any any responsibility for protecting someone like me. I can't do it alone!
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It is impossible to fully insulate people from the possibility of contracting Covid-19: unless you live in a cave, grow all your own food, make your own clothes and never come in contact with people you are a target.
Consider for example the plight of our most vulnerable population: those in care facilities due to poor health / advanced age. They require that others care for them, and it is the caregivers that typically are the weak link as they do not live in a protected environment: many of these workers are fairly uneducated low paid folk living in "the real world." While a doctor or nurse may have the empathy and fortitude to follow safety procedures when not at work (mask, social distancing, hand cleanliness) that is seemingly not the case for the entry level care givers who work in nursing homes and in home care facilities. My buddy is an in home care giver, and he describes a revolving door of new entry level employees, and how clueless and lacking in discipline some of them are: it just takes one gaff for a care giver to get infected and then infect the entire facility. No, to beat this thing we must all work together, difficult though it may be, or in the alternative collectively say "to hell with it, WGAS if they die?" and let the chips fall where they may. Me, I vote for door number one.
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I found out today about someone I know who visited her mother in Rhode Island recently, quarantined when she came back to NH, showed symptoms and tested positive. Just goes to show that someone dear to you can give it to you just as easily as a stranger. Gravy boat is right. We need to be smart about this and beat it. If we don’t learn from the past we are bound to repeat our mistakes.
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The mandate would seem to mandate requiring a mask, indoors or out, when you can’t social distance. So walking in a crowd out doors requires a mask if no social distancing as would walking into a restaurant with no distancing. There are a lot of exceptions and stipulations so you really need to read it if it is important to you.
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Looks same as MA but MA says ‘even where they are able to maintain 6’ of distance from others ‘.
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And ..... don't forget ....... as Smokey Bear would say, if he were allowed by the government to say this ...... Only You Can Come to Waterville Valley! ...... so's you got to settle for hearing it said by Bruce the Moose! ...... Only You Can Come to Waterville Valley! ...... sayeth ..... Bruce the Moose! Bruce the Moose also says "35-miles is the driving distance from the big intersection in Meredith via Rt-175, Holderness ..... hut-hut-hut .... (natural moose sounds)" In addition ..... Bruce the Moose also says the corona virus totally hates all that bromine treated swim pool water ...... yuuuchy-pooh ...... sayeth the corona virus to that humid swim pool/bromine pool and pool room. The corona virus thrives at the nearby indoor ice arena www.wvicearena.com with its cold dry air enclosed by the hockey boards and plexi-glass surround, but not at the warm and humid swim pool filled with bromine treated water ...... you got that ...... understand!
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It comes down to risk. Using the Georgia Tech risk model, plugging in either Carroll or NH numbers, there is a 1% chance that someone that you spend time with will be contagious. If reported numbers are low (likely), say 10X low, then there is a 10% chance that someone that you meet is contagious. Using statistical methods, a party of five has a 2% chance that one person will be infectious (20% if 10X underreported). In some states, the risk is much higher.
The new state guidelines seem reasonable to me. Several weeks after the holidays, as winter hibernation sets in, the spreading rate should settle down.
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Helpful, inexpensive hint: for hand sanitizing, I use a small plastic bottle with a pop off lid that I fill with 70% isopropyl alcohol.
Cheap and effective. Like Brylcream, "A little dab'll do ya."
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Massachusetts doesn’t want people from Maine or NH unless they have had a negative COVID test within 3 days or they have to quarantine for 14 days. I have been informed that this means the travelers would have to stay in quarantine in MA for 14 days. This cannot be right. How could this be enforced? Can one of you brilliant forum members give their interpretation of this?
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I think they can do whatever they want to do if they want. This is part of my concern.
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If following virus protocols make sense to you, no enforceable mandate required. If they don't make sense to you, well... Just another take on the divisions that separate the factions of people who do/don't do what it will take to calm all this down. Seems to me history will view this time as an era of people who, through lack of unity, decimated their own society. |
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I never said not to take any advice or follow any precautions. People should be diligent and taking care of themselves and others but I think it’s important to remember everybody has different levels of diligence I’m comfortable seeing my family With 20 people others might not be but that our choice everybody has to make their own |
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My blood pressure and heart rate went haywire last Sunday. My wife took me to LRGH. From what I could tell there were several other people in the emergency room but it did not look like there was any wait to get in. No one was in the waiting area.They told me they do not have any cardiologists on staff and would send me to Concord Hosptal (a very sad state of affairs). They had to test me for covid before they could send me and it came up negative (GREAT!). I was in a room by my self in Concord (not the ICU or CCU) and I wore a mask when not sleeping. No mask when they checked my vital signs in the middle of the night or during any of the myriad tests and procedures. From what I could tell when they were wheeling around me there was a number of empty rooms. I was there until Tuesday and took numerous trips for procedures. Are they overwhelmed? I can't state definitively. With increased positives. Who knows? Just one person's experience. |
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The virus cannot be stopped until a vaccine is in place and we all take it.
Until then, the best that can be done is to try to keep it at bay. The interim question, or course, is "Which is of higher priority: saving lives or saving the economy?"
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Yes--and your Moultonborough restaurant closure thread is a great example of how this works--one asymptomatic(?) person goes out to dinner on Saturday, and two days latter the restaurant is shut for weeks and two waiters are infected.
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#1 for me would be saving lives, #2 would be saving the economy. But I'm sure there are just as many people, maybe more, that would vote the other way around.
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You really can't say that though. It's like the chicken and the egg. People will die from the virus or die because they can't work because of the virus. Despite what some progressive legislators think, the government can't pay everybody to stay home forever. And if the grocery stores aren't open because the workers are at home, I think most people would have a hard time finding food on their own. If truck drivers and essential workers stay home, how will we live? The society depends on people working beyond financial considerations.
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To start a different vein, my brother who lives in the Lakes Region is the only close contact for assisting my 92-year-old mother in MA. My sister and I are both in FL. He travels every other weekend to assist her, delivering essential groceries to her. What happens if he’s stopped on the way to deliver her groceries? At this point, with the infection rates in most states, does it really make a difference? I will move back to MA to take care of her, but with rates high in 48 states, does it really matter?
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It's unfortunate but the only thing you can do is control your own actions. I'm just as tired of staying home as everyone else but I don't want to get sick right now, not with just covid but I don't want to get anything right now. So I will limit my exposure to others as much as possible because that's all I can control and hope others do the same.
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