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01-03-2020, 11:35 AM | #1 |
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Many of us in the Lakes Region live in communities with private roads that are maintained by your HOA or the homeowners individually yet we pay the same tax rate as those whose roads are maintained by the municipalities.
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01-03-2020, 12:11 PM | #2 |
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While it may be true that private road dwellers pay property tax at the same *rate*, a private road does affect the appraised value. That is, put them on a public road and their appraisal will go up.
That said, I'd be happy to give such dwellers a tax break, once they stop using public roads. |
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There are no schools,roads, etc. on the islands, but we pay the same rate as mainland. As stated above, the difference is made up in variations in the assessed value of the property. I hope you don't all chip in dues to hire a lawyer to tell you that.
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Tell that to all the tax payers with no kids or ones that send their kids to private school.
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So when someone buys a home on an private road or a city with schools even though they have no children or a camp on an island, they don't know what they are getting into before they sign on the dotted line??
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When we lived on Cape Cod the town plowed our streets and we lived on a private road. Also private roads were really only private if stated so and there was deterrence from others to come onto the roads. At one time we did have gate houses but no person in there.
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After this bill roars to enactment, let's help the poor oppressed waterfront owners who never use public beaches, yet are forced to pay for their upkeep.
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It is also their choice to decide where they want to live. If they choose to live in a community that has a private road, then so be it.
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Taxes are calculated based on the value of the property. If you put the same mainland house on an island it would be valued less and taxed at a lower amount so in effect you are already getting a discount for the lack of town services.
Without factual data to back it up I would think that someone purchasing on a private road where they have exposure to the costs of plowing roads and maintaining pavement might pay less for that property. Therefor the taxes would be lower. As soon as you attempt to pick and choose (no kids in school, private road, don't use the town recycle center for trash Etc.) everyone will want a discount for what they think they pay for but don't use. The whole system will break down. If this legislation is successful watch how many copycat bills get submitted by people with their own idea of what they don't get. |
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Easy enough to fix, redo all your "private" roads to meet minimum town requirements (very expensive) and ask the town to accept them.
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Do your homework before you buy anywhere.
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Just think how high your taxes would be without these types of communities with part timers paying general and school taxes that use very little of the support system if any at all especially the schools. Sounds like sour apples to me instead maybe be a little more appreciative. Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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This is not the town's problem and you're not going to force it to become their problem either. In fact there is plenty of precedence on this. |
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Wow I cannot believe the opposition on this issue! If you where paying for a service you were not receiving you would not be happy either. Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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Many people pay for services that they don’t use. This has already been established here. Whether you’re living on a private road, on an island, have no children in school etc., there are many reasons.
People have been complaining about paying taxes forever and I’m sure they always will. |
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My sister lives on a private dirt road and has since the 1980s. The town has never maintained this road. Neighbors contribute every year to do what needs to be done to keep the road passable.
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I am amazed, Joey, that you wold be chasing this cloud. Your posts and apparent experience seem to be far more knowledgeable than trying this tax relief scam. The towns follow state law on who can get tax relief (veterans) and that option must be approved by town meeting (City Council in Laconia, I believe). So you first need the legislature to approve enabling legislation, then you need the city council to approve. That pushes a greater burden on other taxpayers to raise the same money. NOT GONNA Happen. But you can pay lawyers and lobbyists big dollars to end up saying "Gee, we're sorry. We thought we made a good case, but it didn't even make it out of committee. Here's the bill."
Question: What flavor Kool-Aid are you drinking? I'm not trying to be smug or facetious, but the weight of experience is overwhelming. Don't give this organization any money. Do you respond to Robo calls? I really don't want to be rude here, but I think you've been seriously mislead. |
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Your private road...
Perhaps a reduction in taxes would be ok if the residents are ok with the police & fire & ambulances stopping at the public road?
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There's no way a town could ever allow this to happen--ever. The precedent would set up all those things other people have identified: I don't use the school system, so no taxes. I haven't ever called emergency taxes, so no taxes. I don't drink water from houses on the far side of town, so no taxes... Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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You are all missing the target. This is a state wide nonprofit. It’s not costing me or the HOAs a dime. I’m not chasing a cloud. How can it hurt to attend a meeting, send an email or make a phone call to try to reduce my property tax or have the DOT take over the roads. Yes it’s a very long shot but it might only cost just a little bit of time to try.
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www.drpower.com ....... is all you need to know about living on a private road .... which usually means a NH dirt road ..... and yes, it can be towed behind your 1993 Geo Tracker ..... for a super smooth dirt road ......
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In Joe's case, the gate house is the primary reason his roads are private. The city owns and maintains the water lines under the road. LOCs (bonds are not used anymore) have to be in place to be able to sell units in the community per town and NH attorneys generally for large subdivisions. Not gonna win either way Joe. Maybe win for more services though not reduced taxes. For example, If I were you I would be more pissed Laconia doesn't do garbage removal in your development. Laconia does in other private roads.
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TiltonBB, I beg to differ. I have a 2 bedroom, 1 bath, in heated, uninsulated island cottage valued at $600,000. On the mainland, I don’t think it would bring anywhere near that. I’m not seeing a discount, in fact I’m paying a premium to fund schools, roads, fire & police protection for mainlanders. With regards to a road maintenance rebate; HOAs may not use the town to plow their roads but they use public roads to access the HOA, shop, etc. how do you calculate the tax rebate? Everyone must have a GPS tracker to monitor usage? Tracking vs Live Free or die!! Hmmm who do you think wins? Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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Hi RBG--having bought on the mainland waterfront just a few years ago, I am virtually certain that island waterfront is significantly less expensive than mainland waterfront on an apples to apples basis. OK, your modest structure at $600K seems steep in a vacuum. But don't they show assessed land value and assessed structure value separately? You might compare your assessed land value to comparable plots on the mainland, or ask your assessor's office to do the same. |
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I had that issue in Gilford and brought them several comps from their website and they reduced my assessment. Remember, the assessment is done by humans that make mistakes! |
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Seems to me that a private road isn't much different than a driveway, albeit a sometimes long driveway shared with other owners.
The city won't plow a private driveway either, will they?
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