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Actually, my only issue with The Dive is when it is not, as I would define, neighborly. Anchoring out all day, every day in one place infringed on people's use of that resource. The hot dog cart in a state park analogy is apt--I made a similar point a year or so ago. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
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Information I have is that the Dive will be at Lakeshore Park this Thursday 7/5(weather permitting) !!
I believe it is in conjunction with events they hold over the 4th.
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West Alton today. Hideous, and takes up a LOT of room. It appeared to have customers, though, so clearly some people like it. At least we were able to set up far away from it.
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Thankfully the lake is large enough that anybody who wishes to not see the Dive or be near it can simply go elsewhere. Plenty of room...many calm coves. Kind of like turning the channel on the TV if you don't like a show.
For lakefront owners who complain about it being so busy or people anchoring in front of their property - there is always the option to sell your Winni property and buy a place on Squam or Winnisquam that may better suit your speed. Not being disrespectful - just pointing out what I see as viable options for those who don't like the Dive or how busy the lake is nowadays. It's a busy lake - we are all lucky to be here and able to enjoy it. ![]() |
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Good points on it being a big/busy lake and all of us being lucky. But the flip side is that all of us should be mindful of not too having too much impact on others, just in terms of manners. This Dive skeptic is not so much concerned about one Dive as about the potential for a dozen more. And that would make the lake feel smaller and the chances of finding that smaller cove more remote. Also, I have not looked recently, but at any given time there are typically no more than a handful of properties available on all of Squam, and their prices are stratospheric, and I'm not sure many of us would think of Winnisquam as a rough equivalent to Winnipesaukee. So these are not realistic alternatives. |
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Doubtful there would be a market for a dozen more like the Dive.
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Feel bad for the camps right there. Its supposed to be a LSP only thing but I'm curious how they are going to stop boats from anchoring in front of the park? |
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Nice article about the Dive!!!
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I prefer to get away from the crowds when I'm at the Lake, hence sandbars - and the Dive - are not my cup of tea. For those of you who find it fun, enjoy!
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That's exactly the reason I would stay far away! I probably would visit if I was younger but I would never be a regular there at any age. Just not what I go to the lake for.
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There are 7.48 gallons of water in 1 ft^3. Thus there is over 3.7 million gallons of water in the Braun Bay area alone. Let's assume you have 1,000 people there, and they each pee .5 gallons over the course of the day, that 500 gallons / 3.7M gallons, or a diluted amount of .013% pee. That is of course not accounting for any additional dilution caused from currents through the area (natural, or just caused by boat movement). Meh, not really in my Top 10 list of concerns about a sandbar.
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I think my timeline is more like 25 years ago - at least that's when I was hanging around Braun Bay and West Alton as a regular. I don't care how much dilution there is, now I call them Urination Cove
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Petition to help the Dive stay at the pier after several complaints by a non resident has created issues.
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Let's not get hung up on complainant being a "nonresident" from Florida (who obviously is spending the whole Summer on the lake). FlyingScot From Massachusetts |
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The "complainer" is not the same person who posted here a few weeks back about his view? I gotta think there is more than one person with an issue, given its orientation?
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BTW, when The Dive settled in, he is far enough away that his view is not effected at all! He's the one been complaining about Biketember Fest, Wake the Lake and the soon to be famous Blues Fest! I think he should start thinking about moving, perhaps to the 'boros?!?!?!?!
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The petition said he is stopping gas to 3 businesses. How is this possible? Sounds like Russia stopping gas to some Eastern European countries.
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I loved Winnisquam and looked for another place to buy there but we found a place on Waukewan, which we fell in love with. We've been there 5 years now and I don't think I would ever go back to Winni. If something came available on Winnisquam in the town of Meredith that was reasonable I would consider it. But I was in Sanbornton and the taxes, just like Laconia, are outrageous, no thanks! My brother inlaw has a place in Sanbornton with no beach rights, 1/2 the size of my house, 1/2 the size of my land and pays double what I pay in taxes in Meredith. |
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comment for Joey I am sorry but you are wrong about the complainers renting their property that the Dive is almost directly in front of they are there almost everyday throughout the year.. although not permanent.The Dive is a major nuisance and unlike what they say their music is NOT ambient and it starts early in the morning and continues all day non stop especially on weekends when you would like to enjoy your property with friends but cant because of a huge billboard with noise overlooking you all day. Imagine paying huge taxes for waterfront property and being able to work from home and having to shut your windows because of for lack of a better word raucous behavior untilpast midnight I think not. The Dive does NOT belong in a residential area but where they claim they were going to be on the lake and hopefully they can see that they affect many people and can try to become good neighbors to all and correct their errors
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Nice lake but the “destinations” are not there like on the big lake. |
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Really glad this monstrosity is moored on the SW side of the lake. Honestly, too bad it's so popular. It's an eyesore and does nothing to enhance the lake Winni experience.
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This thread has obviously drawn a lot of interest on both sides. It would be interesting for someone to start a poll, for and against.
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The person that is complaining bought a home directly next to the pier in the weirs which is zoned commercial...did they really expect serenity?? The pier and the dive did absolutely nothing wrong and the town approved everything as being per their code. There is no argument here whatsoever. They have the right to run their business in a commercial area as they see fit as long as no noise ordinances or other town laws are broken. In my opinion the Dive has added a lot of visitors to the Weirs. It is where it should be and I cannot think of a better place for it. They will be and have been very successful thus far in that location and I wish them well! Dan
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Biggd..... Just more NIMBY attitude!
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Like I've said before, I don't have an issue with the Dive, I have an issue with the Dive impacting people's access/use of public property. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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I guess I was smart not to buy a home abutting a commercial zoned property in the busiest area of the lake sandwiched between multiple live music bars and an arcade!! This is not rocket science! ..
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I have no skin in the game. I'm not on Winni but I can understand why people don't want to look at that out their front window, where ever it's parked.
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Yes you where, but I still think it would look better in front of your property, JMO!
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As to "not much you can do about it", Mr Florida seems to be doing something, or the Dive would not have set up petition |
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The Dive took the mooring space that they were given by East Coast Flightcraft and the city. My reference is to mooring in coves for rafting in purely residential areas that are "NOT" commercially zoned areas which is not the case where they dock nightly and keep in mind not only are they in that location but many other bars and restaurants that play music and have a tremendous amount of night activity especially on the weekends this is just the type of area the Weirs Boardwalk is, again they purchased is this neighborhood and should expect this type of activity. |
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The Laconia Sun reported “After the busy 4th of July weekend, water testing at Ellacoya State Park showed fecal bacteria at levels beyond state standards, making the area unsuitable for wading or swimming, the state Department of Environmental Services said Tuesday.”
Does anyone know if the State conducts bacterial testing in Braun Bay and Smalls Cove when they are mobbed with people who come for the day with no rest room facilities? Water circulation moves that “stuff” somewhere in the lake. It is good that the Dive has facilities, but it can not possibly take care of The “crowds” of people they are reportedly drawing to the sand bars. |
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Maybe the town of Moultonborough and town of Alton would agree to pay the $270-each for the NH-DES to test the waters at the Braun Bay sandbar area, and West Alton sandbar area on a monthly basis during the summer months, similar to a swim beach? Perhaps DES could catch a boat ride from the Marine Patrol or probably someone could volunteer a boat ride for DES testing to get the tester, out there and back.
Here's a great idea ..... just have the DES tester person spend the whole day on board The Dive, for a round trip visit moving along at 4-mph, out and back ..... strictly for testing purposes.
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Canada tells me he likes the Cheez-it originals in the $4-family box from Walmart, best! Whenever any foreign geese get within 200-yards of Horse Island, Canada goes into high alert, starts honking, and goes into fighter air attack mode and shoos away the incoming goose or geese .... he is all powered up by Cheez-its original .... which will float .... and can be tossed 40-feet like a Frisbee.
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No, the city does not have a tax specifically for "rental space". Of course, that rental income would be considered part of the value of the property and reflected in the assessment for real estate tax purposes. I have commercial property and docks on the lake and the decision of who I rent to is totally up to me. The only tax I pay, other than real estate taxes on the property, is the income tax on the revenue generated by the rentals. That tax goes to the Federal Government, not to the state or the city. There is no city income tax. (This is not New York) ![]() |
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The mis-information and off topic posts on this thread are embarrassing. A little restraint, please. Try to be positive. Lets's all just enjoy Lake Winnipesaukee and the forum. Remember, you'll want to shake hands and hug these folks at the next ForumFest.
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It just amazes me that 271 posts into this thread the same OLD people are continuing to find cause (ugly, expensive, bad neighbor, not sea worthy- despite coast Guard approvals, so on & so on snipes by the same "armchair experts") why the Dive should not be on the Lake.
Why not embrace it . It is simply another "attraction" to our Seasonal business...….if you do not personally like it - simply don't go! If the sight of it at a sand bar bothers you - find another! ONE property owner at Weirs has an issue -- we'll see how that turns out. Clearly - being into their second Season of operation with 2,000+ petition supporters in just one day and appears over 5,600 supporters on Facebook they are doing something right for one fairly large segment of the "market" ! I cannot recall another thread that has SO MUCH negativity consistently thrown in by such a small circle of members.
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To your other point "I cannot recall another thread that has SO MUCH negativity consistently thrown in by such a small circle of members." I can...but won't bring up the taboo subject.... |
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That petition (for whatever good having a petition is) is closing in on 2,500 signatures in a few days, not that bad. |
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I will say that I'm appreciative that we can head to WA sandbar sans Dive most days. The good neighbor metaphor is apt. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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and no -- I have no vested interest … in fact, I have indeed been aboard, but personally would not go back unless I was taking guests for the novelty experience.
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You missed the point.... nobody said the Dive was anywhere near Ellacoya on July 4. Each opposing side of this forum (aka debate) will believe what they want to believe. There are lovers and haters of the Dive and this forum will only reinforce this, but it is fun to read
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A petition, whether pro or anti-Dive, will have the legal significance of a burst of flatulence in a hurricane.
Just sayin'.
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Spent half my time at WAM sandbar today keeping unattended boats with ineffective anchors from banging into my, and other, boats.
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I'm thinking of becoming a Mantus traveling salesman. I could've sold 5 or 6 today so people could sell their souls at The Dive.
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For $23.74 the Gilford Walmart has a 15-lb anchor, named a river anchor, that is coated with black vinyi and has three large prongs ...... is basically a mushroom style anchor with three prongs designed to claw into the lake bottom, and these work good on both rocky and sandy lake bottoms.
For about $50, the Walmart website has a similar design anchor that weighs 30-lbs which is probably the maximum weight for an anchor to be removed by muscle power, without an electric winch. Have to wonder if one of these 30-lb three prong anchors and 100' of 3/4" line would be able to hold The Dive, a 22'x62' barge, in place in water that's about 15-20' deep? ....... anchors away ....... and bottoms up ...... here's to this anchor holding The Dive barge in place! ..... otherwise just aim for the rocks ..... and think positive thoughts!
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You're right, though--there's a difference between needing a hand and leaving to let others deal with your mess. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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It's just closer to his house than "Big Lot's"
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In biology, detritus is dead particulate organic material. It typically includes the bodies or fragments of dead organisms as well as fecal material. Icky!
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"Bain Bay"????.......There we have it!
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Over and over ... "Wal-Mart ... Wal-Mart." Just saying those words must soothe his soul. It takes all kinds.
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Sanders Bay or Saunders Bay? Brain Bay or Braun Bay? All local knowledge.
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"Laconia officials say the floating restaurant needs a site plan amendment" (google that) in today's July 23 Union Leader.
Citing the spuds down site of The Dive for noise and blocking the view for residents on nearby Simpson Ave, The Dive could maybe get relocated to the other side of the large Pier building as a way to mitigate the noise and view issues for the neighbors. It would probably be a better spot for attracting customers just because it would be much more visible from the boardwalk and the road if moved to the inside of the Winni Pier, between the Mount Washington cruise ship and the Pier. Isn't that the spot where the Winnipesaukee Queen, a two masted 48' sailboat used to dock in between 90-minute sailing cruises out to Mark Island and back.
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See the link for the article below:
https://www.unionleader.com/news/pol...13829508d.html Two issues with the article: 1) this is their 1st season at the pier not there second 2) in my opinion and I pass by the area frequently as a keep my boat close by, I do not believe that the current location of the Dive is a safety hazard to other boats navigating the area near the pier. Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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As the Dive passed by East Bear Island on its return to the Weirs this evening, I wondered :
Is the Dive required to have PFDs for patrons when at its location at Braun Bay, etc.? Are there any patrons aboard when she travels? ⚓️ |
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As far at patrons at the sand bars I’m not sure if they are required to have a PFD for each person since the spuds are down but it is a good question. Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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