The Dive!

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

I don't like cancer either. But I've never actually had it so you think I should withhold judgement about cancer being bad until I actually experience it?

Seriously.

Seriously! Nice comparison. Did you have to think long and hard to come up with the comparatives?


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Seriously! Nice comparison. Did you have to think long and hard to come up with the comparatives?


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I also don't like cancer. Or The Dive.

Actually, my only issue with The Dive is when it is not, as I would define, neighborly. Anchoring out all day, every day in one place infringed on people's use of that resource.

The hot dog cart in a state park analogy is apt--I made a similar point a year or so ago.

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[Phantom]

Information I have is that the Dive will be at Lakeshore Park this Thursday 7/5(weather permitting) !!

I believe it is in conjunction with events they hold over the 4th.

[Slickcraft]

On the move heading south

[thinkxingu]

West Alton today. Hideous, and takes up a LOT of room. It appeared to have customers, though, so clearly some people like it. At least we were able to set up far away from it.

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[gravy boat]

Thankfully the lake is large enough that anybody who wishes to not see the Dive or be near it can simply go elsewhere. Plenty of room...many calm coves. Kind of like turning the channel on the TV if you don't like a show.

For lakefront owners who complain about it being so busy or people anchoring in front of their property - there is always the option to sell your Winni property and buy a place on Squam or Winnisquam that may better suit your speed.

Not being disrespectful - just pointing out what I see as viable options for those who don't like the Dive or how busy the lake is nowadays.

It's a busy lake - we are all lucky to be here and able to enjoy it.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

It's a busy lake - we are all lucky to be here and able to enjoy it.

And thank you for that statement.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

Thankfully the lake is large enough that anybody who wishes to not see the Dive or be near it can simply go elsewhere. Plenty of room...many calm coves. Kind of like turning the channel on the TV if you don't like a show.

For lakefront owners who complain about it being so busy or people anchoring in front of their property - there is always the option to sell your Winni property and buy a place on Squam or Winnisquam that may better suit your speed.

Not being disrespectful - just pointing out what I see as viable options for those who don't like the Dive or how busy the lake is nowadays.

It's a busy lake - we are all lucky to be here and able to enjoy it.

Sort of--

Good points on it being a big/busy lake and all of us being lucky. But the flip side is that all of us should be mindful of not too having too much impact on others, just in terms of manners. This Dive skeptic is not so much concerned about one Dive as about the potential for a dozen more. And that would make the lake feel smaller and the chances of finding that smaller cove more remote.

Also, I have not looked recently, but at any given time there are typically no more than a handful of properties available on all of Squam, and their prices are stratospheric, and I'm not sure many of us would think of Winnisquam as a rough equivalent to Winnipesaukee. So these are not realistic alternatives.

[gravy boat]

Doubtful there would be a market for a dozen more like the Dive.

It's a big lake - but I don't see the traffic for another floating bar/restaurant that operates for only 3 months of the year. Maybe where it's warm all year round...but not NH.

Time will tell if the Dive makes enough to stay afloat.

[webmaster]

This just in...

[chachee52]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Information I have is that the Dive will be at Lakeshore Park this Thursday 7/5(weather permitting) !!

I believe it is in conjunction with events they hold over the 4th.

It will be there tomorrow, July 5th all day. Its supposed to tie up to Big Pier wind depending.
Feel bad for the camps right there. Its supposed to be a LSP only thing but I'm curious how they are going to stop boats from anchoring in front of the park?

[joey2665]

Nice article about the Dive!!!

https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/new-...restaurant-nh/


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Nice article about the Dive!!!

https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/new-...restaurant-nh/


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Looking at the overhead picture of that cluster**** at the sand bar is enough to keep me far, far, away.

[Slickcraft]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Nice article about the Dive!!!

https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/new-...restaurant-nh/


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Looks like it needs a 1,000 gal + holding tank with overnight pump out service

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Looking at the overhead picture of that cluster**** at the sand bar is enough to keep me far, far, away.

I do not think so at all. I believe if we were all a bit younger it would be a regular hang out for us. Not my thing now but 15 years ago absolutely.

[Garcia]

I prefer to get away from the crowds when I'm at the Lake, hence sandbars - and the Dive - are not my cup of tea. For those of you who find it fun, enjoy!

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I do not think so at all. I believe if we were all a bit younger it would be a regular hang out for us. Not my thing now but 15 years ago absolutely.

That's exactly the reason I would stay far away! I probably would visit if I was younger but I would never be a regular there at any age. Just not what I go to the lake for.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Slickcraft

Looks like it needs a 1,000 gal + holding tank with overnight pump out service

I doubt everyone is using the bathroom facilities. It's pretty nasty if you really think about it. You're swimming around in pee!

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I do not think so at all. I believe if we were all a bit younger it would be a regular hang out for us. Not my thing now but 15 years ago absolutely.

but maybe 30 (or 40) years ago


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[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I doubt everyone is using the bathroom facilities. It's pretty nasty if you really think about it. You're swimming around in pee!

The Braun Bay area would be about 500,000 cubic feet of water area (~800'x200'x3' deep).

There are 7.48 gallons of water in 1 ft^3.

Thus there is over 3.7 million gallons of water in the Braun Bay area alone.

Let's assume you have 1,000 people there, and they each pee .5 gallons over the course of the day, that 500 gallons / 3.7M gallons, or a diluted amount of .013% pee.

That is of course not accounting for any additional dilution caused from currents through the area (natural, or just caused by boat movement).

Meh, not really in my Top 10 list of concerns about a sandbar.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

The Braun Bay area would be about 500,000 cubic feet of water area (~800'x200'x3' deep).

There are 7.48 gallons of water in 1 ft^3.

Thus there is over 3.7 million gallons of water in the Braun Bay area alone.

Let's assume you have 1,000 people there, and they each pee .5 gallons over the course of the day, that 500 gallons / 3.7M gallons, or a diluted amount of .013% pee.

That is of course not accounting for any additional dilution caused from currents through the area (natural, or just caused by boat movement).

Meh, not really in my Top 10 list of concerns about a sandbar.

You would conclude that but they close beaches down for duck itch and I think there are far fewer ducks going in the water around the beaches than what's going on at that sandbar.
But that's where we have a difference of opinion.
If you're OK with it then have at it, but keep your mouth closed. I'll pass.

[Hillcountry]

They should rename Braun Bay “Lake Titticacapeepee”

[Formula260SS]

I think my timeline is more like 25 years ago - at least that's when I was hanging around Braun Bay and West Alton as a regular. I don't care how much dilution there is, now I call them Urination Cove Guess I'm an old fart now but have at it if that's what you like. It's all good

[Slickcraft]

Originally Posted by Biggd

You would conclude that but they close beaches down for duck itch and I think there are far fewer ducks going in the water around the beaches than what's going on at that sandbar.
But that's where we have a difference of opinion.
If you're OK with it then have at it, but keep your mouth closed. I'll pass.

You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOhfGezdcXU

[joey2665]

Petition to help the Dive stay at the pier after several complaints by a non resident has created issues.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https...laZuNm9_On&s=1


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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Petition to help the Dive stay at the pier after several complaints by a non resident has created issues.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https...laZuNm9_On&s=1


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Joey From New York,

Let's not get hung up on complainant being a "nonresident" from Florida (who obviously is spending the whole Summer on the lake).

FlyingScot From Massachusetts

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Joey From New York,

Let's not get hung up on complainant being a "nonresident" from Florida (who obviously is spending the whole Summer on the lake).

FlyingScot From Massachusetts

If you know the property like I do then you know it is not occupied by the owner it is a rental property so they are NOT spending any time at the lake.

Also not hung up on it just quoted the article


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[thinkxingu]

The "complainer" is not the same person who posted here a few weeks back about his view? I gotta think there is more than one person with an issue, given its orientation?

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[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Also, I have not looked recently, but at any given time there are typically no more than a handful of properties available on all of Squam, and their prices are stratospheric, and I'm not sure many of us would think of Winnisquam as a rough equivalent to Winnipesaukee. So these are not realistic alternatives.

I lived 40 years on Lake Winnipesaukee, (family since 1892), the property tax went through the roof! I decided to sell the property on The Broad and moved to Lake Winnisquam. Peace at last and affordable. Personally Lake Winnisquam is a better retirement alternative and far better for boating on weekends than Winnipesaukee. Yes, off season, it can't hold a candle to the big lake, but year round Winnisquam has more value.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

The "complainer" is not the same person who posted here a few weeks back about his view? I gotta think there is more than one person with an issue, given its orientation?

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The 'complainer' is in one of those cottages near the Pier, a Florida native, who thinks he own the lake! When he bought the property he must realize he is in a commercial zone, and the lake is for the enjoyment of all, as a lakefront owner I realize this and I don't go fuming if someone casually drove by my property!
BTW, when The Dive settled in, he is far enough away that his view is not effected at all! He's the one been complaining about Biketember Fest, Wake the Lake and the soon to be famous Blues Fest! I think he should start thinking about moving, perhaps to the 'boros?!?!?!?!

[The Real BigGuy]

The petition said he is stopping gas to 3 businesses. How is this possible? Sounds like Russia stopping gas to some Eastern European countries.


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I lived 40 years on Lake Winnipesaukee, (family since 1892), the property tax went through the roof! I decided to sell the property on The Broad and moved to Lake Winnisquam. Peace at last and affordable. Personally Lake Winnisquam is a better retirement alternative and far better for boating on weekends than Winnipesaukee. Yes, off season, it can't hold a candle to the big lake, but year round Winnisquam has more value.

I had a cottage in Alton Bay on Winni back in the 70's then sold that and built a place on Winnisquam in the 80's.
I loved Winnisquam and looked for another place to buy there but we found a place on Waukewan, which we fell in love with. We've been there 5 years now and I don't think I would ever go back to Winni.
If something came available on Winnisquam in the town of Meredith that was reasonable I would consider it. But I was in Sanbornton and the taxes, just like Laconia, are outrageous, no thanks!
My brother inlaw has a place in Sanbornton with no beach rights, 1/2 the size of my house, 1/2 the size of my land and pays double what I pay in taxes in Meredith.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I lived 40 years on Lake Winnipesaukee, (family since 1892), the property tax went through the roof! I decided to sell the property on The Broad and moved to Lake Winnisquam. Peace at last and affordable. Personally Lake Winnisquam is a better retirement alternative and far better for boating on weekends than Winnipesaukee. Yes, off season, it can't hold a candle to the big lake, but year round Winnisquam has more value.

I've never been on Winnisquam--are there ports/public docks like Winni? Sandbars?

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[wdlincolnjr]

comment for Joey I am sorry but you are wrong about the complainers renting their property that the Dive is almost directly in front of they are there almost everyday throughout the year.. although not permanent.The Dive is a major nuisance and unlike what they say their music is NOT ambient and it starts early in the morning and continues all day non stop especially on weekends when you would like to enjoy your property with friends but cant because of a huge billboard with noise overlooking you all day. Imagine paying huge taxes for waterfront property and being able to work from home and having to shut your windows because of for lack of a better word raucous behavior untilpast midnight I think not. The Dive does NOT belong in a residential area but where they claim they were going to be on the lake and hopefully they can see that they affect many people and can try to become good neighbors to all and correct their errors

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I've never been on Winnisquam--are there ports/public docks like Winni? Sandbars?

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There is a restaurant/ dock at the bridge on the right as you head toward Laconia. On the opposite side there is a popular sandbar.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by wdlincolnjr

comment for Joey I am sorry but you are wrong about the complainers renting their property that the Dive is almost directly in front of they are there almost everyday throughout the year.. although not permanent.The Dive is a major nuisance and unlike what they say their music is NOT ambient and it starts early in the morning and continues all day non stop especially on weekends when you would like to enjoy your property with friends but cant because of a huge billboard with noise overlooking you all day. Imagine paying huge taxes for waterfront property and being able to work from home and having to shut your windows because of for lack of a better word raucous behavior untilpast midnight I think not. The Dive does NOT belong in a residential area but where they claim they were going to be on the lake and hopefully they can see that they affect many people and can try to become good neighbors to all and correct their errors

I’m sorry I disagree and I also own in the area. As long at the Dive is not breaking any law regarding noise or the location of its mooring then it has every right to be at its location at the pier. You may not like it but as long as they are law abiding then there is not much you can do other than petition to the City.

Note the history of this location has always been entrainment drive way back to the dances and concerts held at the Winnipesaukee Gardens.


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by wdlincolnjr

comment for Joey I am sorry but you are wrong about the complainers renting their property that the Dive is almost directly in front of they are there almost everyday throughout the year.. although not permanent.The Dive is a major nuisance and unlike what they say their music is NOT ambient and it starts early in the morning and continues all day non stop especially on weekends when you would like to enjoy your property with friends but cant because of a huge billboard with noise overlooking you all day. Imagine paying huge taxes for waterfront property and being able to work from home and having to shut your windows because of for lack of a better word raucous behavior untilpast midnight I think not. The Dive does NOT belong in a residential area but where they claim they were going to be on the lake and hopefully they can see that they affect many people and can try to become good neighbors to all and correct their errors

Everyone loves the concept until it's in their back yard, or in this case, front yard. I don't blame them at all for complaining.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I've never been on Winnisquam--are there ports/public docks like Winni? Sandbars?

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There are a couple of private business docks (small docks), one at the Mosquito Bridge store and one at the Lobster Connection. No public “3 hour” docks that I know of. There is a couple of sand bars and one loon sanctuary. There are not many “hazards” like rocks anywhere on the lake. I believe there are 2 marinas on Winnisquam...Winnisquam Marine (same owner as Winni Marine on the channel) and one on the Winnipesaukee River across from the state boat ramps.
Nice lake but the “destinations” are not there like on the big lake.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

There are a couple of private business docks (small docks), one at the Mosquito Bridge store and one at the Lobster Connection. No public “3 hour” docks that I know of. There is a couple of sand bars and one loon sanctuary. There are not many “hazards” like rocks anywhere on the lake. I believe there are 2 marinas on Winnisquam...Winnisquam Marine (same owner as Winni Marine on the channel) and one on the Winnipesaukee River across from the state boat ramps.
Nice lake but the “destinations” are not there like on the big lake.

Thanks! I think we're spoiled being in the north of Winni, as we've got enough No Wake areas to chill and with a (short enough) ride, we can be to the "Big Lake."

Cheers, and back to our regularly scheduled debate about The Dive's presence at The Weirs pier.

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[tis]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Everyone loves the concept until it's in their back yard, or in this case, front yard. I don't blame them at all for complaining.

I have been thinking the same thing as I have been reading these comments.

[rsmlp]

Really glad this monstrosity is moored on the SW side of the lake. Honestly, too bad it's so popular. It's an eyesore and does nothing to enhance the lake Winni experience.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

Really glad this monstrosity is moored on the SW side of the lake. Honestly, too bad it's so popular. It's an eyesore and does nothing to enhance the lake Winni experience.

Too each his own you said it, it’s very popular so not an eyesore to everyone.


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Too each his own you said it, it’s very popular so not an eyesore to everyone.


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Not everyone has to look at it, just those it parks in front of.

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[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

Really glad this monstrosity is moored on the SW side of the lake. Honestly, too bad it's so popular. It's an eyesore and does nothing to enhance the lake Winni experience.

rsmip; Are you trying to say that it's becoming a little too much like Hampton Beach?

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

It's an eyesore and does nothing to enhance the lake Winni experience.

It is certainly enhancing the experience of those that frequent it.

[Biggd]

This thread has obviously drawn a lot of interest on both sides. It would be interesting for someone to start a poll, for and against.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Biggd

This thread has obviously drawn a lot of interest on both sides. It would be interesting for someone to start a poll, for and against.

A poll like that on this forum would mean absolutely nothing. It is quite obvious based on the amount of people that frequent the dive (its packed every day and night at the pier, not to mention at the sandbars) that anyone against it would by FAR be in the minority. Go on their facebook page and look at the support they have.

The person that is complaining bought a home directly next to the pier in the weirs which is zoned commercial...did they really expect serenity??

The pier and the dive did absolutely nothing wrong and the town approved everything as being per their code. There is no argument here whatsoever. They have the right to run their business in a commercial area as they see fit as long as no noise ordinances or other town laws are broken.

In my opinion the Dive has added a lot of visitors to the Weirs. It is where it should be and I cannot think of a better place for it. They will be and have been very successful thus far in that location and I wish them well!

Dan

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

A poll like that on this forum would mean absolutely nothing. It is quite obvious based on the amount of people that frequent the dive (its packed every day and night at the pier, not to mention at the sandbars) that anyone against it would by FAR be in the minority. Go on their facebook page and look at the support they have.

The person that is complaining bought a home directly next to the pier in the weirs which is zoned commercial...did they really expect serenity??

The pier and the dive did absolutely nothing wrong and the town approved everything as being per their code. There is no argument here whatsoever. They have the right to run their business in a commercial area as they see fit as long as no noise ordinances or other town laws are broken.

In my opinion the Dive has added a lot of visitors to the Weirs. It is where it should be and I cannot think of a better place for it. They will be and have been very successful thus far in that location and I wish them well!

Dan

I think a better place for it would be in front of your home.

[Woodsy]

Biggd..... Just more NIMBY attitude!

Woodsy

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Not everyone has to look at it, just those it parks in front of.

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Yes but if it legally docked, as it is, there is nothing they can really do about it. Keep in mind the pier and its entertainment activity have been there for over 70 years so they knew what they were getting into when they purchased their property

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

A poll like that on this forum would mean absolutely nothing. It is quite obvious based on the amount of people that frequent the dive (its packed every day and night at the pier, not to mention at the sandbars) that anyone against it would by FAR be in the minority. Go on their facebook page and look at the support they have.

The person that is complaining bought a home directly next to the pier in the weirs which is zoned commercial...did they really expect serenity??

The pier and the dive did absolutely nothing wrong and the town approved everything as being per their code. There is no argument here whatsoever. They have the right to run their business in a commercial area as they see fit as long as no noise ordinances or other town laws are broken.

In my opinion the Dive has added a lot of visitors to the Weirs. It is where it should be and I cannot think of a better place for it. They will be and have been very successful thus far in that location and I wish them well!

Dan

Dan, stop being so logical!! I have not been to the Dive, but will at some point soon.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Yes but if it legally docked, as it is, there is nothing they can really do about it. Keep in mind the pier and its entertainment activity have been there for over 70 years so they knew what they were getting into when they purchased their property

Agreed on the legality, but I wonder if there'd be a better setup orientation so's it wouldn't interfere with the homes nearby.

Like I've said before, I don't have an issue with the Dive, I have an issue with the Dive impacting people's access/use of public property.

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[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I think a better place for it would be in front of your home.

I guess I was smart not to buy a home abutting a commercial zoned property in the busiest area of the lake sandwiched between multiple live music bars and an arcade!! This is not rocket science! ..

Dan

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Biggd..... Just more NIMBY attitude!

Woodsy

I have no skin in the game. I'm not on Winni but I can understand why people don't want to look at that out their front window, where ever it's parked.
It's never going to block my view but that doesn't mean I have no right to an opinion on the matter.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I guess I was smart not to buy a home abutting a commercial zoned property in the busiest area of the lake sandwiched between multiple live music bars and an arcade!! This is not rocket science! ..

Dan

Yes you where, but I still think it would look better in front of your property, JMO!

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I lived 40 years on Lake Winnipesaukee, (family since 1892), the property tax went through the roof! I decided to sell the property on The Broad and moved to Lake Winnisquam. Peace at last and affordable. Personally Lake Winnisquam is a better retirement alternative and far better for boating on weekends than Winnipesaukee. Yes, off season, it can't hold a candle to the big lake, but year round Winnisquam has more value.

I did not mean to suggest Winnisquam (or Waukewan) is not as good, only that it is not really comparable in that the pluses and minuses of each are so different. Some folks like size, some like quaintness; it's all good.

[rsmlp]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

It is certainly enhancing the experience of those that frequent it.

Totally agree. And yes, I think it does bring a Hampton/Weirs beach vibe here to its location. Not something I personally like. Hence, why I'm happy to have it not near us.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I’m sorry I disagree and I also own in the area. As long at the Dive is not breaking any law regarding noise or the location of its mooring then it has every right to be at its location at the pier. You may not like it but as long as they are law abiding then there is not much you can do other than petition to the City.

Note the history of this location has always been entrainment drive way back to the dances and concerts held at the Winnipesaukee Gardens.


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You seem to equate the law with being a good neighbor, these are separate things. No one has said they aren't following the law, only that they are a lousy neighbor. Even many of your posts imply this when you say things like "as long as they don't go to the same place every day..."

As to "not much you can do about it", Mr Florida seems to be doing something, or the Dive would not have set up petition

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

You seem to equate the law with being a good neighbor, these are separate things. No one has said they aren't following the law, only that they are a lousy neighbor. Even many of your posts imply this when you say things like "as long as they don't go to the same place every day..."

As to "not much you can do about it", Mr Florida seems to be doing something, or the Dive would not have set up petition

Who says they are a lousy neighbor? Just one person.

The Dive took the mooring space that they were given by East Coast Flightcraft and the city.

My reference is to mooring in coves for rafting in purely residential areas that are "NOT" commercially zoned areas which is not the case where they dock nightly and keep in mind not only are they in that location but many other bars and restaurants that play music and have a tremendous amount of night activity especially on the weekends this is just the type of area the Weirs Boardwalk is, again they purchased is this neighborhood and should expect this type of activity.

[ishoot308]

In less than 20 hours they already have over 2000 signatures on their petition in support...

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by joey2665

The Dive took the mooring space that they were given by East Coast Flightcraft and the city.

Originally Posted by ishoot308

The pier and the dive did absolutely nothing wrong and the town approved everything as being per their code.

Dan

Just a point of information: The city of Laconia does not approve or enforce anything on the water. It is up to the state.

[Momo]

The Laconia Sun reported “After the busy 4th of July weekend, water testing at Ellacoya State Park showed fecal bacteria at levels beyond state standards, making the area unsuitable for wading or swimming, the state Department of Environmental Services said Tuesday.”

Does anyone know if the State conducts bacterial testing in Braun Bay and Smalls Cove when they are mobbed with people who come for the day with no rest room facilities? Water circulation moves that “stuff” somewhere in the lake. It is good that the Dive has facilities, but it can not possibly take care of The “crowds” of people they are reportedly drawing to the sand bars.

[fatlazyless]

Maybe the town of Moultonborough and town of Alton would agree to pay the $270-each for the NH-DES to test the waters at the Braun Bay sandbar area, and West Alton sandbar area on a monthly basis during the summer months, similar to a swim beach? Perhaps DES could catch a boat ride from the Marine Patrol or probably someone could volunteer a boat ride for DES testing to get the tester, out there and back.

Here's a great idea ..... just have the DES tester person spend the whole day on board The Dive, for a round trip visit moving along at 4-mph, out and back ..... strictly for testing purposes.

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by Momo

The Laconia Sun reported “After the busy 4th of July weekend, water testing at Ellacoya State Park showed fecal bacteria at levels beyond state standards, making the area unsuitable for wading or swimming, the state Department of Environmental Services said Tuesday.”

Does anyone know if the State conducts bacterial testing in Braun Bay and Smalls Cove when they are mobbed with people who come for the day with no rest room facilities? Water circulation moves that “stuff” somewhere in the lake. It is good that the Dive has facilities, but it can not possibly take care of The “crowds” of people they are reportedly drawing to the sand bars.

Looks like a Baby Ruth! Yummmm...

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Just a point of information: The city of Laconia does not approve or enforce anything on the water. It is up to the state.

Interesting...so the pier does not have to answer to the city on how their property, dock space in this matter, gets rented out? Would the city not collect taxes on the revenue generated by the rental space?

Thanks for the info!

Dan

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Looks like a Baby Ruth! Yummmm...

Your not talking about something like this are you.

Classic..




Actually fake news / trick photography. Not that it really matters unless you encounter one. Kids Prove Baby Ruth! not a floater

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Maybe the town of Moultonborough and town of Alton would agree to pay the $270-each for the NH-DES to test the waters at the Braun Bay sandbar area, and West Alton sandbar area on a monthly basis during the summer months, similar to a swim beach? Perhaps DES could catch a boat ride from the Marine Patrol or probably someone could volunteer a boat ride for DES testing to get the tester, out there and back.

Here's a great idea ..... just have the DES tester person spend the whole day on board The Dive, for a round trip visit moving along at 4-mph, out and back ..... strictly for testing purposes.

Speaking of __it or should I say water quality, how about $270 from you after you feed the geese and ducks with your famous boxes of Cheez-It's and they can test the water around your place. As mentioned Strictly for testing purposes.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Speaking of __it or should I say water quality, how about $270 from you after you feed the geese and ducks with your famous boxes of Cheez-It's and they can test the water around your place. As mentioned Strictly for testing purposes.

.....is just one goose, named Canada, who has shown up for the last six years from last week of March thru first week of May ..... while he lounges about, keeping one eye on his nesting mate ..... she sits on the nest about 150-yds away on Horse Island.

Canada tells me he likes the Cheez-it originals in the $4-family box from Walmart, best!

Whenever any foreign geese get within 200-yards of Horse Island, Canada goes into high alert, starts honking, and goes into fighter air attack mode and shoos away the incoming goose or geese .... he is all powered up by Cheez-its original .... which will float .... and can be tossed 40-feet like a Frisbee.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Interesting...so the pier does not have to answer to the city on how their property, dock space in this matter, gets rented out? Would the city not collect taxes on the revenue generated by the rental space?

Thanks for the info!

Dan

Correct. The city cannot tell them who they can rent to. The pier is privately owned and that is a decision of the owner.

No, the city does not have a tax specifically for "rental space". Of course, that rental income would be considered part of the value of the property and reflected in the assessment for real estate tax purposes.

I have commercial property and docks on the lake and the decision of who I rent to is totally up to me. The only tax I pay, other than real estate taxes on the property, is the income tax on the revenue generated by the rentals. That tax goes to the Federal Government, not to the state or the city. There is no city income tax. (This is not New York)

[Descant]

The mis-information and off topic posts on this thread are embarrassing. A little restraint, please. Try to be positive. Lets's all just enjoy Lake Winnipesaukee and the forum. Remember, you'll want to shake hands and hug these folks at the next ForumFest.

[Reilly]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Correct. The city cannot tell them who they can rent to. The pier is privately owned and that is a decision of the owner.

No, the city does not have a tax specifically for "rental space". Of course, that rental income would be considered part of the value of the property and reflected in the assessment for real estate tax purposes.

I have commercial property and docks on the lake and the decision of who I rent to is totally up to me. The only tax I pay, other than real estate taxes on the property, is the income tax on the revenue generated by the rentals. That tax goes to the Federal Government, not to the state or the city. There is no city income tax. (This is not New York)

The dive would look good in the channel at one of your docks

[Phantom]

It just amazes me that 271 posts into this thread the same OLD people are continuing to find cause (ugly, expensive, bad neighbor, not sea worthy- despite coast Guard approvals, so on & so on snipes by the same "armchair experts") why the Dive should not be on the Lake.

Why not embrace it . It is simply another "attraction" to our Seasonal business...….if you do not personally like it - simply don't go! If the sight of it at a sand bar bothers you - find another! ONE property owner at Weirs has an issue -- we'll see how that turns out.


Clearly - being into their second Season of operation with 2,000+ petition supporters in just one day and appears over 5,600 supporters on Facebook they are doing something right for one fairly large segment of the "market" !

I cannot recall another thread that has SO MUCH negativity consistently thrown in by such a small circle of members.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Phantom

It just amazes me that 271 posts into this thread the same OLD people are continuing to find cause (ugly, expensive, bad neighbor, not sea worthy- despite coast Guard approvals, so on & so on snipes by the same "armchair experts") why the Dive should not be on the Lake.

Why not embrace it . It is simply another "attraction" to our Seasonal business...….if you do not personally like it - simply don't go! If the sight of it at a sand bar bothers you - find another! ONE property owner at Weirs has an issue -- we'll see how that turns out.

Clearly - being into their second Season of operation with 2,000+ petition supporters in just one day and appears over 5,600 supporters on Facebook they are doing something right for one fairly large segment of the "market" !

I cannot recall another thread that has SO MUCH negativity consistently thrown in by such a small circle of members..

AMEN Phantom! This is really comical to see some of these ridiculous comments! Water testing at the sand bar, just because the DIVE is there? Typical smoke and mirrors arguments from the same cry babies.

To your other point "I cannot recall another thread that has SO MUCH negativity consistently thrown in by such a small circle of members." I can...but won't bring up the taboo subject....

[neckdweller]

Originally Posted by Momo

The Laconia Sun reported “After the busy 4th of July weekend, water testing at Ellacoya State Park showed fecal bacteria at levels beyond state standards, making the area unsuitable for wading or swimming, the state Department of Environmental Services said Tuesday.”

Does anyone know if the State conducts bacterial testing in Braun Bay and Smalls Cove when they are mobbed with people who come for the day with no rest room facilities? Water circulation moves that “stuff” somewhere in the lake. It is good that the Dive has facilities, but it can not possibly take care of The “crowds” of people they are reportedly drawing to the sand bars.

I think you've got it backwards. The Dive isn't drawing crowds to the sand bar, the sand bar crowd is drawing The Dive.

That petition (for whatever good having a petition is) is closing in on 2,500 signatures in a few days, not that bad.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by neckdweller

I think you've got it backwards. The Dive isn't drawing crowds to the sand bar, the sand bar crowd is drawing The Dive.

That petition (for whatever good having a petition is) is closing in on 2,500 signatures in a few days, not that bad.

Exactly, but don't forget that those 2,500 aren't affected by the Dive's presence--they get to leave. Ask how many people want the ice cream truck anchoring in front of their homes.

I will say that I'm appreciative that we can head to WA sandbar sans Dive most days. The good neighbor metaphor is apt.

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[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Momo

The Laconia Sun reported “After the busy 4th of July weekend, water testing at Ellacoya State Park showed fecal bacteria at levels beyond state standards, making the area unsuitable for wading or swimming, the state Department of Environmental Services said Tuesday.”

Does anyone know if the State conducts bacterial testing in Braun Bay and Smalls Cove when they are mobbed with people who come for the day with no rest room facilities? Water circulation moves that “stuff” somewhere in the lake. It is good that the Dive has facilities, but it can not possibly take care of The “crowds” of people they are reportedly drawing to the sand bars.

LET'S be CLEAR --- --- the Dive was nowhere (relatively) near the State Park over the 4th weekend … in addition -- the Dive event was NOT open to the public -- it was a "shore" party for Lake Shore Residents and they boarded by the "Big Pier" (no boats, no sand bar event)………………. as stated in my other post -- just another lame accusation towards the Dive....

and no -- I have no vested interest … in fact, I have indeed been aboard, but personally would not go back unless I was taking guests for the novelty experience.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Phantom

LET'S be CLEAR --- --- the Dive was nowhere (relatively) near the State Park over the 4th weekend … in addition -- the Dive event was NOT open to the public -- it was a "shore" party for Lake Shore Residents and they boarded by the "Big Pier" (no boats, no sand bar event)………………. as stated in my other post -- just another lame accusation towards the Dive....

and no -- I have no vested interest … in fact, I have indeed been aboard, but personally would not go back unless I was taking guests for the novelty experience.

Great post!!! just one small correction, the Dive was in Brain Bay on the 4th.


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[Momo]

You missed the point.... nobody said the Dive was anywhere near Ellacoya on July 4. Each opposing side of this forum (aka debate) will believe what they want to believe. There are lovers and haters of the Dive and this forum will only reinforce this, but it is fun to read

[Mr. V]

A petition, whether pro or anti-Dive, will have the legal significance of a burst of flatulence in a hurricane.

Just sayin'.

[thinkxingu]

Spent half my time at WAM sandbar today keeping unattended boats with ineffective anchors from banging into my, and other, boats.

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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Spent half my time at WAM sandbar today keeping unattended boats with ineffective anchors from banging into my, and other, boats.

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Sounds like fun.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Sounds like fun.

I'm thinking of becoming a Mantus traveling salesman. I could've sold 5 or 6 today so people could sell their souls at The Dive.

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[fatlazyless]

For $23.74 the Gilford Walmart has a 15-lb anchor, named a river anchor, that is coated with black vinyi and has three large prongs ...... is basically a mushroom style anchor with three prongs designed to claw into the lake bottom, and these work good on both rocky and sandy lake bottoms.

For about $50, the Walmart website has a similar design anchor that weighs 30-lbs which is probably the maximum weight for an anchor to be removed by muscle power, without an electric winch.

Have to wonder if one of these 30-lb three prong anchors and 100' of 3/4" line would be able to hold The Dive, a 22'x62' barge, in place in water that's about 15-20' deep?

....... anchors away ....... and bottoms up ...... here's to this anchor holding The Dive barge in place! ..... otherwise just aim for the rocks ..... and think positive thoughts!

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Spent half my time at WAM sandbar today keeping unattended boats with ineffective anchors from banging into my, and other, boats.

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Perhaps you should have lifted their ineffective anchor and set their boat adrift toward the deeper water...no excuse for partying while your boat is unattended and unstable. Or get some really sticky stickers and slap one on their boat somewhere obvious saying “ANCHORING BASICS...LEARN THEM!”

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I'm thinking of becoming a Mantus traveling salesman. I could've sold 5 or 6 today so people could sell their souls at The Dive.

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Perhaps as an incentive for looking into the Mantus anchor you could give out free Bibles To help these folks save their souls before entering the den of iniquity at the dive.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Perhaps you should have lifted their ineffective anchor and set their boat adrift toward the deeper water...no excuse for partying while your boat is unattended and unstable. Or get some really sticky stickers and slap one on their boat somewhere obvious saying “ANCHORING BASICS...LEARN THEM!”

I actually like helping people at sandbars--I remember my first time visiting one and how much easier it was when people jumped in to lend a hand.

You're right, though--there's a difference between needing a hand and leaving to let others deal with your mess.

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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Perhaps as an incentive for looking into the Mantus anchor you could give out free Bibles To help these folks save their souls before entering the den of iniquity at the dive.

You must have watched the series Ozark's on Net Flix. What's in those bibles.

[JADAQ]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

For $23.74 the Gilford Walmart has a 15-lb anchor, named a river anchor, that is coated with black vinyi and has three large prongs ...... is basically a mushroom style anchor with three prongs designed to claw into the lake bottom, and these work good on both rocky and sandy lake bottoms.

For about $50, the Walmart website has a similar design anchor that weighs 30-lbs which is probably the maximum weight for an anchor to be removed by muscle power, without an electric winch.

Have to wonder if one of these 30-lb three prong anchors and 100' of 3/4" line would be able to hold The Dive, a 22'x62' barge, in place in water that's about 15-20' deep?

....... anchors away ....... and bottoms up ...... here's to this anchor holding The Dive barge in place! ..... otherwise just aim for the rocks ..... and think positive thoughts!

Do you work at, live at or have large amounts of stock in Walmart? Just curious..

[Phantom]

It's just closer to his house than "Big Lot's"

[znh]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Spent half my time at WAM sandbar today keeping unattended boats with ineffective anchors from banging into my, and other, boats.

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That sandbar is terrible...we love it during the week but never on the weekends...too busy at the channel, way too much boat chop, steep drop offs and soft sand...fts...

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by Phantom

It's just closer to his house than "Big Lot's" .

LMAO at that one, very funny.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by znh

That sandbar is terrible...we love it during the week but never on the weekends...too busy at the channel, way too much boat chop, steep drop offs and soft sand...fts...

Inside at least one row of boats, it calms down a bit and there's no drop-off. We like that there's much less detritus than the other sandbars, the depth is consistent, and, most of all, it's not loud or obnoxious like Braun Bay. It's also the closest sandbar to us.

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[Pineedles]

In biology, detritus is dead particulate organic material. It typically includes the bodies or fragments of dead organisms as well as fecal material. Icky!

[ACME on the Broads]

"Bain Bay"????.......There we have it!

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by JADAQ

Do you work at, live at or have large amounts of stock in Walmart? Just curious..

No, somehow in the past Wal-Mart got "imprinted" in his noggin and he can't get rid of it.

Over and over ... "Wal-Mart ... Wal-Mart."

Just saying those words must soothe his soul.

It takes all kinds.

[Descant]

Sanders Bay or Saunders Bay? Brain Bay or Braun Bay? All local knowledge.

[fatlazyless]

"Laconia officials say the floating restaurant needs a site plan amendment" (google that) in today's July 23 Union Leader.

Citing the spuds down site of The Dive for noise and blocking the view for residents on nearby Simpson Ave, The Dive could maybe get relocated to the other side of the large Pier building as a way to mitigate the noise and view issues for the neighbors.

It would probably be a better spot for attracting customers just because it would be much more visible from the boardwalk and the road if moved to the inside of the Winni Pier, between the Mount Washington cruise ship and the Pier. Isn't that the spot where the Winnipesaukee Queen, a two masted 48' sailboat used to dock in between 90-minute sailing cruises out to Mark Island and back.

[joey2665]

See the link for the article below:

https://www.unionleader.com/news/pol...13829508d.html

Two issues with the article: 1) this is their 1st season at the pier not there second 2) in my opinion and I pass by the area frequently as a keep my boat close by, I do not believe that the current location of the Dive is a safety hazard to other boats navigating the area near the pier.


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[Barney Bear]

As the Dive passed by East Bear Island on its return to the Weirs this evening, I wondered :

Is the Dive required to have PFDs for patrons when at its location at Braun Bay, etc.?

Are there any patrons aboard when she travels? ⚓️

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Barney Bear

As the Dive passed by East Bear Island on its return to the Weirs this evening, I wondered :

Is the Dive required to have PFDs for patrons when at its location at Braun Bay, etc.?

Are there any patrons aboard when she travels? ⚓️

No patrons are aboard as it travels to and from the pier and it’s chosen sand bar. However they to rent it out for chatter. Since it has been inspected and approved by the MP I’m sure it has PFDs for each passenger.

As far at patrons at the sand bars I’m not sure if they are required to have a PFD for each person since the spuds are down but it is a good question.


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