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03-20-2019, 12:37 PM | #1 |
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Alcohol and Boating Don't mix
I know this did not happen on the lake but there is a boating lesson to be learned.
At Fort Myers Beach a boat got stuck on a sandbar. In the area where the accident happened there is a sandbar about 50 feet offshore that runs parallel to the shore. The depth varies between 1 and 3 feet depending upon the tides. The operator trimmed up the three outboards and tried to power off of the sandbar. A woman attempting to push the boat fell into the moving propellers. A sad story and a tough way to go. https://www.nbc-2.com/story/40136328...ani-kai-resort |
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The press loves misery
The press loves misery. Bet you can't find a story about thousands of boaters having a fun, safe day on the water.
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Alcohol sucks period. All it does is make (otherwise intelligent) people STUPID, and destroy lives... IMHO
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Alcohol does not suck, alcohol abuse is what sucks. If you are impaired you should not be driving ANYTHING not even a kids Big Wheel.
But even impaired, only the stupidest of the gene pool would get out and push a boat with the engines running, or ask someone to do that. (Drunk people would just take a nap until the tide came in.) |
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People just like negative news, this thread has @850 views compared to the volleyball thread which has only a little over 100.
Look at the amount of views for the latest threads, negative threads get more views than positive ones.
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I'm not against having a couple of cold ones as long as no driver is impaired but the golden rule on my boat is......if anyone is in the water near the boat,motors are off.
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Going in the water behind the boat with the motors running to push it off a sand bar?
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I think any threads which comment on the lake, boating, and regulations affecting the people who use the lake, will draw more attention than others not related to those subjects.. |
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That thread isn't about boating. The reality is that news agencies use data statics as to what people view so that advertisers will get the most bang for their buck. Even this forum could be used by how many viewers review certain threads. So, the more negative news the more viewers equal more products being looked at. Look at Fox and CNN News, all negative news from opposing side. They get the most viewers which turns into more money from advertisers. That was my point for the comment I made.
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You want what he has, so you give him your money. Years go by and things seem to be good (perception), until one day it all catches up to him, and you come to the realization that he lost all your money, and in some cases, completely destroyed some people. This is where the analogy is not completely accurate. To my knowledge, Bernie didn't kill anybody, where alcohol does. Alcohol doesn't always kill its victims, sometimes it just destroys them like Bernie did to his clientele. Either way, it's devastating. It may take years, but eventually, without you even realizing it is happening to you, it destroys, or kills you. Obviously there are always going to be some people that never have a problem with alcohol, but imho, they are few and far between and there are far more people that can't handle it responsibly, than there are that can. Many people will probably not agree with that, just my opinion. On the other hand, in my analogy, the perception of heroin is Charlie Manson. (I know Charlie didn't actually do any of the killings which is another reason why the analogy is not perfect) However, the perception is killer, bad news, loser's, homelessness, dangerous, dark alley's, crazy, brutal suffering, no future, stay away, because you know it will destroy, or perhaps even kill you quite quickly. That is heroin in most people's eyes. Either way, both Bernie and Charlie ended up in the same place, just like alcohol and heroin can both bring you to the same place, JUST IN DIFFERENT WAYS... That's why I think alcohol sucks, because it is so cunning, which in my eyes, actually makes it worse than the hard core "killer" drugs. And please, don't misunderstand, I have nothing against people that drink. Just like hunting, I could never shoot an animal, but I'll be there to eat the meat!! Live, and let live. To each his own, Live Free or Die. Sorry, didn't mean to go on a rant, just a very passionate subject to me that a lot of people don't quite understand. Last edited by Cal Coon; 03-22-2019 at 08:11 PM. |
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Your contention that alcohol either kills you or destroys you and exceptions are few and far between is absurd. The vast majority of people who consume alcoholic beverages never have a problem that has a negative effect on them or their family. The consumption of alcohol is widely accepted in most every social circle, and heroin use is not. People who use alcohol in social situations are entirely different than a person who uses heroin. Every week in Laconia there are numerous overdoses that require Narcan to keep the victim alive. There are approximately 100 overdoses per month in New Hampshire and in 2018 there were over 340 overdose deaths in NH. . It is a rare occasion when someone consumes enough alcohol that medical intervention becomes necessary. Heroin and alcohol are two entirely different things. |
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That being said, I do see a distinct difference between alcohol and harder drug use. It is entirely possible, and the overall norm, for a successful life to involve the periodic use of alcohol. It is virtually impossible, however, to use heroin, fentanyl, crack, meth, etc. even for a short time without being utterly destroyed. I say this as a teacher who has had hundreds of kids go through my life using alcohol without deadly consequences (there are certainly financial, domestic, etc.) but having lost 5 graduates alone this year to opioid ODs, including one just yesterday, who lost his father similarly a few years back. Though we shouldn't minimize the damage caused by all drugs, some are absolutely more damaging than others. Sent from my Moto G (5S) Plus using Tapatalk |
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Never While Boating...!
One beer made me happy—two beers put me to sleep—and NO beers when on the highway, racing cars, or boating. Even crewing on a long cruise, there are too many boat-handling responsibilities for a sailor.
Like texting, there is much inattention among those captains who drink, so I disagree with those who take in alcohol while at the helm of a powerboat. Averaging up my most alcohol-using years, I doubt I've consumed one beer a day. (Alternatively, one glass of wine per day—and probably far less of either). If you're over 65, you're wisely skipping alcohol altogether. As for societal effects, heroin rarely takes the lives of innocents—which can't be said for alcohol. (Examples: the boating lives lost on Lake Winnipesaukee and on the roadways). One's very first drink affects judgment! (So there's the link to "cunning" mentioned earlier).
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Opiates, https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ion-180967673/ Alcohol, https://www.cato.org/publications/po...on-was-failure Neither is the definitive statement but do show how opiate and alcohol use has been debated in US society for generations. My guess, and it is just that, is if nicotine, alcohol, or opiates were “discovered “ today, all would be banned or highly regulated. To return to the original post, I don’t think anyone should drink and drive - one drink when driving is one too many. I realize not everyone shares my belief, but to me it’s just not worth it. |
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Legally, does NH d.u.i. law get applied and enforced any different for kayaks/canoes/rowboats/small sailboats/sups - all without a motor than for a boat with a motor?
As I understand it, the NH open container law does not apply to boats, so maybe d.u.i. is enforced different for a rower than for a motor boater? Rowing has you sitting backwards, so you don't really see where you are going, but see where you've been ....row row row ..... oopsie-doopsie! .... and just hope you don't row into something. As a rower, are you legally supposed to keep a forward look-out while seated backwards? If you get arrested for rowing a row boat while d.u.i., will that apply to your car insurance?
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03-23-2019, 04:31 PM | #29 |
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...... now seriously, dat's one heck of a dud qusteon!!!
Likewise, and similarly, all at da dame tyme ..... how's about riding that Inflat-a-Bull ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EU71y5jGdY for $36.99 ..... measures 94"x77"x32" .... and worth every penny ..... I should know .... I have one .... and cannot wait for the ice to melt ..... and you know what ..... riding the Inflat-a-Bull gets easier to do ..... with each beer you drink .... honestly ..... you become one with the Inflat-a-Bull! ..... ride em Inflat-a-Bull! ..... just get'n up and onto the bull ..... in water over 6' deep is very challenging ..... it takes practice! ..... destined to become an Olympics event! For a well spent $36.99 ...... with its' dynamic 3-point, anchor design ..... bobbing up and down the Winnipesaukee waves and boat wakes ...... the Inflat-a-Bull .... is a lot of fun ..... and not so easy to ride over incoming big boat wakes and deeper water ..... a real fun challenge especially when done totally sober!
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Doesn't matter what sort of vessel. Too much is too much, especially at 6:40 am. Remember this??
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