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03-02-2019, 03:03 AM | #1 |
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Bahre Property Sold
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Sold for 5,600,000 I think that is just the main house as they split it into 2 listings a while back. A lot right next to it also sold for just over 1,000,000 so maybe same buyer who felt he needed a bit more space. Seems like a great deal if ostentatious hideous design is your thing.
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It is true according to Adam Dow, Realtor. It was sold by Bob Corsoni. (sp.?)
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...... Long view!
'Long View' is the name of the big fancy-dancy mansion house there ...... and 'Long View' really has a loooooong vieeeeeew!
Back in July and August of 1964, as a summer camper at Camp Alton, I used to sit on that Clay Point embankment, close to where the three bay, boat house is now located, and look down the lake. On a clear sunny day, in the afternoon, I could see all the way down to the bright white Mount Washington cruise vessel at its' Center Harbor stop, which is maybe 12-miles down the lake from Clay Point ..... that view just keeps going and going and going ...... threading all down the lake there ......... a truly loooooooong vieeeeeeeew! Understand that the one tennis court now present was also one of the three juniors' tennis courts from back in 1964 ...... one of the very, very few items that survived the demolition of www.CampAlton.com 1937-1992 .... and the design/construction of the big money 'Long View.' From 1937-1992, there was like 300 campers and staff there for the summer months, returning year after year ...... and that got reduced down to a BIG ZERO with the recent owner. Hope the new owner gets some good use with their Long View purchase.
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Yeah, lack of timing = questionable word choice. Replace with "swallowed by." Or is it that you're cool with awesome properties that provide priceless experiences to hundreds becoming singular estates? I get that it can happen, but I'll lament it forever. The best thing the US government ever did was create the national park system.
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Local property taxes made the camps close not the "rich" who "absconded" the land. Yes, I know they could probably make more selling the valuable properties than they could keeping the camps open, but I still think a lot of them would still be here if it wasn't for the taxes. You notice most of the camps that are open today are non profits so they don't have to pay taxes.
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It's for the children
"privately owned" camps were never big money makers. People ran them in part because they want ed to give an experience to children, and yes, they could live on the lake and make a little money. Then go back to their teaching job in September.
Fifty years later, you die (or move to AZ) and you have no next generation that wants to run a camp. There's a lot of land and a lot of deferred maintenance and costs are going up. Your kids see the land value and the dollar signs. Sell. Similar to what happened to family run motels that were condominiumized in the eighties. Taxes, land values, costs to upgrade and no interest in continuing the family business all came together at once. Remember old camps? Big dining hall, lodge, common rest room facilities? Cabins without sprinklers, inadequate exits for sleeping quarters. Now you have to put sprinklers in all these buildings, depending on the town, I guess. That means laying new pressure water lines, new septics, maybe ADA facilities. It's a long list. Taxes, yes, but so much more. |
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Yup. Because I'm disappointed in the loss of summer camps and public access in exchange for absurdly ostentatious compounds I must be a socialist.
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No because you are blatantly pitting the "rich" against the "average people". It's not a sin to work hard and enjoy the fruits of your labors. The property was on the open market when the camp closed. Many had the opportunity to purchase it including the town. A successful person stepped up and added greatly to the tax rolls of the town. It may not have been the highest or best use of the property but it happened and the town allowed it. Don't make it a Us against them. As much as we all would like to live at Lake Winni in the 1950's those days are gone.
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Given the way support for public lands, parks, and access has been going in the last couple decades--and, to me, that includes things like youth camps and other programs that provide opportunities for the non-rich--an extrapolation for my children and their children is bleak. That's my point. Much of my opinion is built upon the process I've faced when seeking opportunities for my children's youth groups, which is becoming exponentially more difficult given the shuttering, or rising costs, of access. I have no idea of the connection between de-sexualizing the breast--or, more accurately, the quarter-sized areola that frightens so many of you--and being disappointed in the loss of public lands. As for The Dive, I've, again, been more than consistent in my view: the business is fine, but staying at one location infringes upon the others who use or own in that location. I was always taught that "your freedom ends at my nose," but that's swiftly becoming a thing of the past (since you know so much of my past opinions--weird, by the way--you might see that I've railed against portable speakers on hiking trails as breaking Leave No Trace). Sent from my Moto G (5S) Plus using Tapatalk |
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That is so true, APS! Until I saw some old pictures, I had forgotten how few trees there were. You could see the lake from Lakeview Inn at the top of the hill on North Main St. (Now the Inn on Main) That is just one example, there were few trees everywhere.
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I think I've mentioned it before, but my hometown has done a great job of securing public lands. We've got six nice properties, four of which are river front, that townspeople are always using to swim, bike, boat, ride horses, etc. I'm not sure what the overall effect on our taxes is, but it's one of the main reasons we bought here and they provide a ton of "town" opportunities, such as last week's winter festival, etc. It's not easy, I get that, but it still makes me sad. Sent from my Moto G (5S) Plus using Tapatalk |
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..... $10,000 federal max?
Seems like the new federal limit of $10,000 for deducting state and local taxes from your federal personal income tax for 2018 helped to drive down the selling price for Long View.
The Town of Alton will be mailing the new Long View owners a smaller property tax bill, compared with recent tax bills. Is this true, or what? Alton selectmen here:
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Ya never know ...... with that new 10k max ..... maybe Long View will become an air-bnb weekly rental ..... to help pay those taxes above the 10,000/yr.
"Switching to a less expensive brand of tuna fish just won't do it ...... is time to go weekly rental and make some real money, honey ...... that prop tax bill comes in every three months, you know."
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Yes, even in the 50s there were far less trees and more open fields. It's not like it was eons ago.
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Someone posted photos on Facebook of Mount Hale a few decades ago, when it was essentially bald. Now there are almost zero views. Crazy how quickly New England has moved from farmland to forest.
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A deed recorded on 2/22/2019 was for sale of land only on Hopewell Road. Book 3223 page 305
Sellers: Sandra and Gary Bahre Buyers: John and Marie Calabro of New Cannon, CT Transfer tax $15,575 Also on 2/28/2019 land and buildings Book 3224 page 69 Sellers Robert and Sandra Bahre Buyers: Jason and Maria Muise as trustees of Windham, MH Transfer tax $84,000 Now back to speculation Last edited by Slickcraft; 03-03-2019 at 10:45 AM. |
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FLL - Remember it’s the assessed value that determine’s taxes, not sale price. Property tax bill will probably increase . . . It always does.
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Most, if not all, large parcels of undeveloped land in NH are in "current use" tax status. If the land is sold, or purchased by the Town, there is little change in tax status or revenue. There is a "Land Use Change Tax" that applies when the land is taken out of current use (developed into parcels less than 10 acres) Many towns give all or some of that tax to the Conservation Commission so they can buy open space. Often, they manage the property as a tree farm and the harvest provides revenue to the town. As you move northward, Selectmen are less interested in buying and owning land because there is still a lot of open space. That will change as more intense development moves north.
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“You are correct but after the sale the town receives a copy of the closing statement and then reassess based in part on the sale price. “
I not believe that the Town or the State receives a copy of the closing statement. The Town gets a copy of Form PA 34. The State gets Form CD 57 and Form PA 34. See: https://www.revenue.nh.gov/forms/real-estate.htm |
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Adam Dow who is a well known realtor in Wolfeboro posted a picture of the Bahre house (the father's) saying it was so. And another realtor congratulate the seller. I don't think you need to doubt it was sold.
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I guess I waited too long. I was hoping the price would come down to about a million then I was going to cash in all my IRA's and jump on it.
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Taxes and budgets
If the town was collecting taxes on Longview for a much higher assessed value, then the lower taxes to be collected could result in having a higher spending budget than the revenue received. A.K.A. a budget deficit. Ultimately doesn't this then lead to more overall increases in the mil rate for everyone?
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To get back on topic, I'm a democratic socialist, and I have no problem with what occurred at Longview, as long as Bahre was good to his employees and didn't treat them like chattel. I know someone who owned a home on the lake who thought her employees were an albatross 'round her neck. I abhor capitalists whose mind set is only take, take, take.
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So if one were to compare the numbers and the people enjoying it, his investments have been a huge net positive, providing enjoyment to hundreds of thousands. Even though he sold the track, and attendance is down, many more people enjoy the track than ever would have gone to camp or a park in Alton. Furthermore, numerous people enjoy shopping at the Hannaford in Alton that was also built by Bob Bahre. With grocery shopping so much closer, and more affordable for many, those people will have more money and time left over to enjoy the lake. There are many other examples (One: He bought Oxford Plains Speedway in Maine in 1964) but after providing so much for so many I am glad that Bob Bahre could afford to build the property of his dreams for himself and his family. |
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So oddly it was sold to a guy who seems to own a construction business for 5.6M. I wonder if a flip is in the works? I assume the place has been maintained over the years. There are always lights on and the landscape team spends all day Thursday there
I'd think the town of Alton will have to change the valuation to something close to the sales price given it took 4 years to sell. That will lose the town ~60k a year in taxes and I bet the other property will sell for even less. I wonder how many dollars per night it cost Mr Bahre to stay there given the huge loss he must have taken? In the 6 years I've lived across from it there has almost never been signs of life there other than Nascar weekends and party he'd have every August. |
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I don't think Bahre built the speedway. It was already there. I also heard, at least at the beginning, the taxes were a LOT more than 60 a year. Of course that could have been for all the houses and land. And maybe there were reduced as he fought for it.
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And as everyone knows, starting with tax year 2018, due in April 2019, with the new tax law that was passed in December 2017, only the first $10,000 of state and local taxes are deductible from your federal income tax. A big change ....... and first real estate change like this since the 1913 birth of our federal income tax.
So, that will maybe lower the selling price for high priced homes? Wait and see? Looks like the new owner is a home building company, so's could be it will sub-divide the open land, squeeze in another house or two, and not really care about the high property taxes since everything including the big house will get sold? As long as it still got that looooong vieeeeeeew! How's that for a plan, and then name them Long View I, II, & III. If the town approves they could sub-divide and build condo town houses on the land out back, with eight condo town houses and a shared dock?
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It was Bryar Motorsport Park, built in the early 60's by Keith Bryar the owner of Belknap Tire in Laconia.
In the late 80's both the courses and the facilities had deteriorated due to a lack of capital investment. As a result, many series had dropped Bryar from their schedule, and motorcycles were the only vehicles still using the road course. In 1989, Bob Bahre – who had previously run Oxford Plains Speedway for 23 years – bought the facility and immediately announced plans to transform it into what would become New Hampshire Motor Speedway. |
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In 2008, Bruton Smith bought the speedway from Bob Bahre for $340,000,000., and starting in September, 2019, the September NASCAR event formerly held in Loudon NH will be held in Las Vegas, Nevada .... at another race track owned by Bruton .......which is one big reason why Mr Smith paid so danged much.
So, what do you think, for making money, what's a better spot for a big fancy-dancy NASCAR race ...... Loudon or Las Vegas ....... budda-boom ..... budda-bing ...... budda-boom ....... will the drivers puh-lease start their engines ......... thank-you! ..... and, what happens in Vegas ..... stays in Las Vegas.
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That's all just conjecture about what will get built here, so just have to wait.
Off the top of my head, just guessing here that for the Town of Alton, a property has to be valued at about $750,000 to receive an annual property tax bill total of $10,001. or more. Probably, condo town houses would be way below $750,000. but maybe not? You never know but maybe the big mansion house gets re-constructed inside into three or four smaller condo units ….. is possible? And they could call it The Big House at Long View along with a row of townhouses out back, in what is now a large grass lawn area with some super nice waterfront. Working it with a construction loan from a friendly banker for 12%/yr? To see it up close, go to a map for 'clay point, Alton NH' and snoop around with Google Earth.
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Besides, President Trump has given the rich other tax breaks that will more than offset that deduction cap. |
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From the Laconia Sun:
advertisement While the property is assessed for tax purposes at $23,109,500, it is being offered for sale for $17.8 million — $31.2 million less than the $49 million asking price when it first went on the market four years ago. Two years ago the Bahres cut the asking price in half to $25.8 million. Based on the current Alton tax rate of $12.86 per $1,000 of assessed value, the Bahres paid $309,280.17 in property tax. On July 30, the town of Alton reduced the assessment on the property by $936,400 and refunded the Bahres $12,092 they had paid on their 2017 tax bill. I told you it was a LOT more than 60,000 a year! Now do you believe me? I remember being told a long time ago he paid a thousand dollars a day in just property taxes to live there. |
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03-06-2019, 11:38 AM | #70 |
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Someone absolutely stole it for $5.6mil. Look at some of the Governors Island properties and what they are going for. Bahre must have really wanted out of the place. I am sure he took a HUGE hit on it.
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Form 1040 only?
I doubt Mr. Bahre files only a Form 1040 and a few supplement pages. Trying to make his taxes relate to those filing a 1040-EZ just won't work. Skim through the assessment data base for lakeside properties and see how many are owned by trusts of various types, LLC's, other corporation types and partnerships. Many, many. Must be some reason, not all part of the attorney- CPA-CFP relief program.
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I imagine any plans to develop the property beyond it's current use would be very hotly contested. The neighbors (including the virtual neighbors just across the channel on Barndoor Island) already put up with years of noise when the original property was built. The town later denied the request to build a large building for Mr Baher's auto collection. I don't know if the current zoning would allow condos in the location or not. Hopefully the new owner just wants to live large on the lake or maybe rent it out as a corporate retreat
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Did the 5.6+ include the total property? I thought it was just one of the houses.
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Here is a link to the closed listing. it shows 9.48 acres and 733 feet of shoreline with the one house. 142 Hopewell is still for sale.
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His wife works hard and has done very well for herself, certainly not all builder/developer $
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.... going on Safari!
It was plain to see ..... from a post above with a link to the registry of deeds showing the property was transferred to Safari Construction in Windham. Hey, I ain't no real estate whiz, that's for sure, but it was plain to see it in that there link, there.
Looks like LONG VIEW will be going SAFARI ...... what will it, they, be hunting? Will the snipe hunts with 8-10 year old Camp Alton campers fanning out along the top of that tall embankment, armed with brooms, beating the bushes, looking for snipe as the sun sets in the west, be returning to clay point? Hey ..... where's the snipe ....... it's almost sun down?
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In the simplest of terms... These are legal maneuvers people are taking to legally protect an asset such as a piece of property or any asset of significant value. It does NOT free them from tax liability or make the taxes being paid any less. The trust, LLC, LLP, corporation or owner in whatever legal format it is defined must pay the same taxes as everyone else at the same rate. In fact most trusts are established simply for the purposes of augmenting a will to pass assets to beneficiaries avoiding any kind of probate or lawsuit claiming a right of ownership outside what is defined within the trust itself. Nothing nefarious here, in fact in today's overly litigious society it's almost a necessity. |
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True but you are mixing property taxes with income taxes which are in no way related in the context of how much any entity pays specifically in property taxes.
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I understand that but the reason people use LLC's and Corps is for liability and overall tax burden purposes, esp now that Trump changed the tax laws. As I was reading this thread I think overall tax burden as well as the 10K tax deduction was being brought up.
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I find reading this post taxing.
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Avoidance
I saw the relationship in how to get a better deal i.e. where the $10K cap fits into your plans or if you can avoid it on your income tax, whether it be personal or business. Looks like the answer is, there are some options.
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03-09-2019, 07:57 AM | #93 |
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.... the Lake Winnipesaukee LONG VIEW rooming house
You know ..... without doing much of anything in the way of re-construction .... this totally huge home has seven large bedrooms and a lot of bathrooms and a very nice kitchen with a huge refrigerator.
Why not turn it into a vacation rooming house, with linens, towels, an old canoe and kayak or two, and kitchen privileges included. Attach a black marker pen on a 36" string to the edge of the frig, and let residents know they should label what is theirs; like milk, bagels, ice cream, yogurt, Marie Callender frozen $2.50 turkey pot pies .... to keep it a happy rooming house ..... the LONG VIEW Rooming House ...... come visit the famous Lake Winnipesaukee rooming house with the long view ..... for a single day, two days, three days, whatever, or a 7-day stretch, ..... as available. And, what's the price per day, to stay overnight at Long View? Have to work that pricing out, over time, through trial and error ...... and just go with the flow? But, keep the price low to keep the occupancy high, and limit the stay to seven days per year, or something???
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I don't know if it shows in the pictures, but I thought it already had a second kitchen. So you don't have to share if it does. No markers, no strings.
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Would a seven day rental be considered short-term?- and therefore controversial?
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short term rental
I think anything less than six months is short term and requires that you pay the 9% Room and Meals tax. Short term may not be allowed depending on zoning in any given town.
Long discussion here" https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...hlight=rentals |
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An hour?
$5.6MM, 30 years, 365 days/year is only $21 per hour. Plus tax and tip, of course.
My friend in Rindge will rent his castle, private lake, 500 acres. https://www.vrbo.com/240837ha |
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Since there seems to be some confusion as to what value a property's assessed value should be....
As defined by the state: Rev 901.11 “Fair market value” means the price property would command if: (a) Sold by a seller who is willing, but not compelled, to sell; and (b) Purchased by a purchaser who is willing, but not compelled, to purchase. |
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Looking at the photo on google earth, it seems like a sure bet that another huge, super-duper waterfront mansion home will get built on what was the junior's softball field and is now the large grass lawn to the left of the big house.
Plus, some townhouse condos with deeded docks and waterfront could be happening for the center lawn area which was formerly, the www.CampAlton.com seniors baseball field and sprinter's track area. During Capture the Flag Day-1964, I landed at the camp infirmary with some bloody chest scrapes, having missed a flying tackle on the hard pack sprinter's track area, there. Can remember getting bandaged up by the camp nurse, and that was the end of Capture the Flag for me, on that sunny, hot day in August. It was two intense months of Gray vs Green color war, and the Green team will bury those Grays! Buy it with financed $5.5-mil, sell it all for $16.5-mil, 1-2-3 years later ..... and everybody ...... friendly banker, busy developer and sharpie town assessor is very happy .... amen!
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