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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I don't disagree that government budgets need to be scrutinized... That goes for every state, and also the feds...

I do disagree that NH is doing better the other states... NH faces that same delemia's as other states... and in some cases more so.....

At the end of the day, a number of things need to happen... the problem is the same elected officials keep getting elected back... And when that happens nothing is ever going to change....

I agree I am a huge advocate of a ONE term limit on every level of government.

President & Governors-5 years
Senate (federal and State)-6 years
House (federal and State)-3 years

It is the only way to bring in fresh people with fresh ideas and eliminate entitlement.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I agree I am a huge advocate of a ONE term limit on every level of government.

President & Governors-5 years
Senate (federal and State)-6 years
House (federal and State)-3 years

It is the only way to bring in fresh people with fresh ideas and eliminate entitlement.

I agree except sometimes a President needs a full 4 years to undo what his/her predescessor has done to turn the country toward his desired direction. Perhaps if the house/senate bozos would do their jobs with smart, debate and compromises instead of obstructing and resisting, a president could manage a proper agenda in 4-5 years of one term. And I mean bozos on either side of the aisle.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

I agree except sometimes a President needs a full 4 years to undo what his/her predescessor has done to turn the country toward his desired direction. Perhaps if the house/senate bozos would do their jobs with smart, debate and compromises instead of obstructing and resisting, a president could manage a proper agenda in 4-5 years of one term. And I mean bozos on either side of the aisle.

You are correct there. Especially on the "both sides of the aisle". Maybe 1 6 year for president and governor ?

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Only as stupid as the electorate that puts them there.

It's ALL by design. All you have to do is look at this millennial generation. You have to be TAUGHT to be that stupid!! The majority of millennials think that socialism is better than capitalism... Shame on their parents, and our public school systems. PATHETIC.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

It's ALL by design. All you have to do is look at this millennial generation. You have to be TAUGHT to be that stupid!! The majority of millennials think that socialism is better than capitalism... Shame on their parents, and our public school millennals believe that socialism is better than capitalism.

Below is an interesting article about why millennials believe socialism is better than capitalism.

The Millennials grew up and began their careers in a time when:

Almost every home (except 3rd world countries) had an internet connection and a computer.
2008, the largest economic decline since the great depression.
911 Terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
The effect of 20+ years of offshoring of American jobs is finally felt.
Enron - energy trading scams and corporate fraud on a national level.
Global warming becoming obvious with unusually severe storms, hotter weather, colder weather, more droughts etc.
President G. W. Bush, Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney deceived the entire nation about weapons of mass destruction of the nuclear and biological type and the subsequent invasion and occupation of Iraq.
The explosive growth in online companies such as Google, Facebook, SalesForce.com, LinkedIn, EBay, PayPal.
A revolution in the way we work, including widespread acceptance of flex-time, work from home, freelancing.
The US is divided 50:50 with different and opposite fundamental beliefs and values.
Way too many crazy people are shooting their fellow Americans with weapons of rapid destruction.
Congress becoming dysfunctional.
Housing prices growing beyond most young people's reach.

https://www.careerplanner.com/Career...enerations.cfm

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Below is an interesting article about why millennials believe socialism is better than capitalism.



https://www.careerplanner.com/Career...enerations.cfm

Funny, (NOT) how there is not ONE word about Obama and/or the media... That whole list is Democrat talking points and/or unintended consequences of Democrat policies/ globalism. I question the source of that list... I tried to click on the link, but it warned me of a virus and told me to "go back"!! "Just a coincidence", I'm sure... It all boils down to one word: LIBERALISM. It is the (domestic) enemy of the American way of life, and needs to be defeated every time, (at the ballot box). I just ask one simple question of all you homeowner's out there, but there is a "catch", you HAVE to be completely HONEST with yourself: How long would you "tolerate", and "coexist" with a person that was "down and out" that you invited into YOUR house, that wants to change everything about the way you have set it up, and doesn't clean up after themsevles???? Now imagine the music from the game show "Jeopardy" while you think about it...!! That person is supposed to respect your home, and help you maintain it the way you intended, not the way they want it. It's NOT real complicated...

[ApS]

Time to dust-off this old US commemorative stamp.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

It's ALL by design. All you have to do is look at this millennial generation. You have to be TAUGHT to be that stupid!! The majority of millennials think that socialism is better than capitalism... Shame on their parents, and our public school systems. PATHETIC.

You have to be stupid to believe every article you pull up on the WWW as the truth.

[Rusty]

America is a mix of socialism and capitalism.
Prime example is that you can have private property but MUST pay taxes or you will lose it.

Capitalism is ideal until it fails and socialism has to bail it out.

[Cal Coon]

Liberals control the 3 biggest influences on our society and culture. Main stream media, Hollywood (movies), and education, so as you witness our culture going down the tubes, think about that at the ballot box...

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by ApS

Time to dust-off this old US commemorative stamp.

Unfortunately, I think the media is invested waaaaayyy to deep covering up all the Democrats, and deep state corruption, and John Q Public is on to them now more than ever, and will NEVER forgive them, so something has to give... It's going to be very interesting to watch how things play out...

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Rusty

America is a mix of socialism and capitalism.
Prime example is that you can have private property but MUST pay taxes or you will lose it.

Capitalism is ideal until it fails and socialism has to bail it out.

Please, give me one example where socialism bailed out capitalism. Socialism has FAILED every time it's been tried, and capitalism has worked every time it's been tried. Socialism breeds misery, capitalism inspires people. Losing something, (property in this case), because you don't pay for it, is not socialism. Is it socialism when the bank repo's your car when you don't make the payments? Socialism was the mandate in obamacare, (that Trump removed), that made anyone without health insurance pay a fine for NOT having it!! That is so wrong. The Federal Govt should NEVER force anyone to HAVE to buy anything, or be penalized. NOT EVER. That goes against everything this country was founded on!!! Shame on Justice Roberts.

[Rusty]

How about the wall street bail out.



Than there was the auto bail out.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Rusty

America is a mix of socialism and capitalism.
Prime example is that you can have private property but MUST pay taxes or you will lose it.

Capitalism is ideal until it fails and socialism has to bail it out.

"Socialism is Communism, but without the tanks".

Watch Venezuela as an entropic, "empty-shelves", Socialist country collapses into Communism.

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Unfortunately, I think the media is invested waaaaayyy to deep covering up all the Democrats, and deep state corruption, and John Q Public is on to them now more than ever, and will NEVER forgive them, so something has to give... It's going to be very interesting to watch how things play out...

The media has devolved into the "Democratic" Party's mouthpiece!

But Congress has to wake up. To me, it's amazing to see the vast corruption investigators have found in the FBI!

FBI Departures:
James Comey, director (fired)
Andrew McCabe, deputy director (fired)
Peter Strzok, counterintelligence expert (fired)
Lisa Page, attorney (demoted; resigned)
James Rybicki, chief of staff (resigned)
James Baker, general counsel (resigned)
Mike Kortan, assistant director for public affairs (resigned)
Josh Campbell, special assistant to James Comey (resigned)
James Turgal, executive assistant director (resigned)
Greg Bower, assistant director for office of congressional affairs (resigned)
Michael Steinbach, executive assistant director (resigned)
John Giacalone, executive assistant director (resigned)

DOJ Departures:
Sally Yates, deputy attorney general (fired)
Bruce Ohr, associate deputy attorney general (twice demoted)
David Laufman, counterintelligence chief (resigned)
Rachel Brand, deputy attorney general (resigned)
Trisha Beth Anderson, office of legal counsel for FBI (demoted or reassigned*)
John P. Carlin, assistant attorney general (resigned)
Peter Kadzik, assistant attorney general, congressional liaison (resigned)
Mary McCord, acting assistant attorney general (resigned)
Matthew Axelrod, principal assistant to deputy attorney general (resigned)
Preet Bharara, U.S. attorney, SDNY (fired along with 45 other U.S. Attorneys)
Sharon McGowan, civil rights division (resigned)
Diana Flynn, litigation director for LGBTQ civil rights (resigned)
Vanita Gupta, civil rights division (resigned)
Joel McElvain, assistant branch director of the civil division (resigned)
https://www.theepochtimes.com/strzok...d_2624607.html

And ALL of this followed the Democratic Party's purchase of the discredited "Steele-dossier" derived from a British spy with Russian roots!

British newspaper says your tax money went to the FBI's multiple purchases of the same "Steele-dossier"...

Yesterday, one declassified document shows Bob Woodward has been an FBI asset since 1973.

[Rusty]

To me it is also amazing to see the vast corruption that the FBI have found hanging around the current administration in the WH:

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Rusty

To me it is also amazing to see the vast corruption that the FBI have found hanging around the current administration in the WH:

Fake news.

[noreast]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Below is an interesting article about why millennials believe socialism is better than capitalism.



https://www.careerplanner.com/Career...enerations.cfm

The biggest factor is probably the wage gap growth. along with all that. We will lose the right to capitalism due to are greed at some point, A holes ruin everything. Not that I endorse it, But the Nordic countries are doing pretty good.

[Major]

Originally Posted by noreast

The biggest factor is probably the wage gap growth. along with all that. We will lose the right to capitalism due to are greed at some point, A holes ruin everything. Not that I endorse it, But the Nordic countries are doing pretty good.

We will lose the right to capitalism when there are more people in the boat than people rowing the boat. Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money. And regarding "wage gap," what a crock! Anyone, and I mean anyone, could earn between $100,000 and $150,000 if they are committed to hard work. I know several house cleaners and landscapers that make huge money. No special skills. They do a good job and work 70+ hours per week. "Wage gap" is merely an excuse to be lazy, or not push oneself to be better.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Major

We will lose the right to capitalism when there are more people in the boat than people rowing the boat. Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money. And regarding "wage gap," what a crock! Anyone, and I mean anyone, could earn between $100,000 and $150,000 if they are committed to hard work. I know several house cleaners and landscapers that make huge money. No special skills. They do a good job and work 70+ hours per week. "Wage gap" is merely an excuse to be lazy, or not push oneself to be better.

The country Has been running on other peoples money for years. The national debt is at 21 trillion and rising.
Trump has made his fortune using other people money and then filing for bankruptcy when the bottom falls out. I hope he doesn't think he can do that with the country.
This administration has just kept adding to it as if it will never run out.

[noreast]

Originally Posted by Major

We will lose the right to capitalism when there are more people in the boat than people rowing the boat. Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money. And regarding "wage gap," what a crock! Anyone, and I mean anyone, could earn between $100,000 and $150,000 if they are committed to hard work. I know several house cleaners and landscapers that make huge money. No special skills. They do a good job and work 70+ hours per week. "Wage gap" is merely an excuse to be lazy, or not push oneself to be better.

You have no idea what you're talking about, as usual, How could a blue collar worker in the 50's or 60's live on one income, buy a house, and have a comfortable life, in 40 hours bye the way.Who said socialism is good. let alone great. Look at the numbers, It's a fact. We all know you don't believe in facts, All you give is dumb little like anectdotes about about hard work.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by ApS

"Socialism is Communism, but without the tanks".

Watch Venezuela as an entropic, "empty-shelves", Socialist country collapses into Communism.


The media has devolved into the "Democratic" Party's mouthpiece!

But Congress has to wake up. To me, it's amazing to see the vast corruption investigators have found in the FBI!


And ALL of this followed the Democratic Party's purchase of the discredited "Steele-dossier" derived from a British spy with Russian roots!

British newspaper says your tax money went to the FBI's multiple purchases of the same "Steele-dossier"...

Yesterday, one declassified document shows Bob Woodward has been an FBI asset since 1973.

Jeff Sessions was Trump's biggest mistake so far, although not his fault Sessions recuses himself the day AFTER he is confirmed. Sessions should be having a field day with all the fbi/doj corruption. In a perfect world, republicans add (Trump supporting) seats to the house in the mid terms and Trump can fire Sessions and get a "PITBULL" AG confirmed to go after all the corruption!!!

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Major

We will lose the right to capitalism when there are more people in the boat than people rowing the boat. Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money. And regarding "wage gap," what a crock! Anyone, and I mean anyone, could earn between $100,000 and $150,000 if they are committed to hard work. I know several house cleaners and landscapers that make huge money. No special skills. They do a good job and work 70+ hours per week. "Wage gap" is merely an excuse to be lazy, or not push oneself to be better.

Only 12% of the working people in America make $100-150K a year and 80% make less.
Looks like you need to get your old brogans out & kick some butt.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Rusty

How about the wall street bail out.

Attachment 14203

Than there was the auto bail out.

Attachment 14204

The "bail outs" were NOT socialism in it's standard form... I understand your point, but you are still not comparing apples to apples. Not an accurate analogy IMHO. Every single person you listed as "pleading guilty" had NOTHING to do with Donald Trump, or his campaign. Mueller is not even investigating a crime, he is trying to fabricate one up where there is none, and he has broken MANY laws with his conspirators (including the main stream media) along the way!!! THIS ENTIRE "WITCH HUNT" IS ALL A DISTRACTION FROM THE REAL CORRUPTION IN THE FBI/DOJ, AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. I'm not a gambling man, but I would bet my LIFE on this one!!! Obama was probably the most corrupt president this country has ever seen. He politicized the IRS and the FBI/DOJ that we know of, who knows what else... Two reasons he got away with it all, (so far...) is he has had the media protecting him, and he has had a republican party too scared of being called racists to even criticize him, let alone actually go after him for his real corruption. The swamp is deeper than anyone thought possible...

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by noreast

You have no idea what you're talking about, as usual, How could a blue collar worker in the 50's or 60's live on one income, buy a house, and have a comfortable life, in 40 hours bye the way.Who said socialism is good. let alone great. Look at the numbers, It's a fact. We all know you don't believe in facts, All you give is dumb little like anectdotes about about hard work.

He makes perfect sense to me. He is being sarcastic when he says that socialism is great - until you run out of other people's money. He is absolutely right. What is so hard to understand about this? What I don't understand is your response. What are the facts you mentioned, and what numbers are you referring too? And what do you mean when you ask how a blue collar worker in the 50's or 60's live on one income? What does that have to do with anything we are talking about? Please explain, I'm confused.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Jeff Sessions was Trump's biggest mistake so far, although not his fault Sessions recuses himself the day AFTER he is confirmed. Sessions should be having a field day with all the fbi/doj corruption. In a perfect world, republicans add (Trump supporting) seats to the house in the mid terms and Trump can fire Sessions and get a "PITBULL" AG confirmed to go after all the corruption!!!

Back in May, according to a DC attorney [DiGenova] had predicted that Brennan, Clapper and Comey will be indicted—but this is "old-news".

DiGenova says, “We now know that there was indeed a criminal conspiracy involving John Brennan, James Clapper, Sally Yates, James Comey, senior DOJ officials and FBI officials. It is not beyond any doubt that those people engaged in illegal criminal conduct to subvert a national election before the election took place and then to subvert the presidency of the opposition party candidate who won.”

DiGenova also predicts Brennan, Clapper and Comey will be indicted.

More indictments are to be handed down soon (next week?) regarding the FBI agents and appointees I'd listed previously.

.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Fake news.

And speaking of Fake News...

http://freegifmaker.me/img/res/1/5/3...gif?1536976582

[noreast]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

He makes perfect sense to me. He is being sarcastic when he says that socialism is great - until you run out of other people's money. He is absolutely right. What is so hard to understand about this? What I don't understand is your response. What are the facts you mentioned, and what numbers are you referring too? And what do you mean when you ask how a blue collar worker in the 50's or 60's live on one income? What does that have to do with anything we are talking about? Please explain, I'm confused.

Of course he makes perfect sense to you, You're delusional. Off course he's being sarcastic, he's also using a straw man since no one was arguing that. The facts are the % increase in the gap, it's east to find, It's also a fact that the younger generation Is looking at alternative forms of gov due to factors mentioned above, one of them being the wage gap. I know you're fairly new to the forum so I'll give you my recap. I've voted for libertarians my entire life, Never voted for a national Dem, Meaning pres, congress, senate. I also voted for your hero in the primary but it took me about a week to realize what a mistake that was.The difference between you and me is you're blinded by ideology so you can't clearly see the problems. If you can't figure out how the wage gap is a reason why single income family's are a tiny percent of the nation as a whole then I can't help you. I think it was Twain who said " It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled". I don't care to fool people or have time to convince them they've been fooled anymore. End rant.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by noreast

Of course he makes perfect sense to you, You're delusional. Off course he's being sarcastic, he's also using a straw man since no one was arguing that. The facts are the % increase in the gap, it's east to find, It's also a fact that the younger generation Is looking at alternative forms of gov due to factors mentioned above, one of them being the wage gap. I know you're fairly new to the forum so I'll give you my recap. I've voted for libertarians my entire life, Never voted for a national Dem, Meaning pres, congress, senate. I also voted for your hero in the primary but it took me about a week to realize what a mistake that was.The difference between you and me is you're blinded by ideology so you can't clearly see the problems. If you can't figure out how the wage gap is a reason why single income family's are a tiny percent of the nation as a whole then I can't help you. I think it was Twain who said " It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled". I don't care to fool people or have time to convince them they've been fooled anymore. End rant.

I'm delusional...??? Every post of yours is more proof that liberalism is a mental disorder!! "You people" make no sense at all. I still have no idea what the hell you are talking about in your rant, but I'm the stupid one, right??? This younger generation is looking for an alternative form of govt because they have been fed a bunch of BS propaganda since kindergarten. They have been taught that America sucks, and is the source of all the problems in the world by the (overwhelmingly liberal) school systems. They are destroying what has been the BEST thing that has ever happened in the history of the entire world: The Constitution of the United States. Any American citizen that does not agree with this is sadly, ill informed IMHO.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by noreast

The biggest factor is probably the wage gap growth. along with all that. We will lose the right to capitalism due to are greed at some point, A holes ruin everything. Not that I endorse it, But the Nordic countries are doing pretty good.

So what do you endorse? I am sincerely curious.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by ApS

Back in May, according to a DC attorney [DiGenova] had predicted that Brennan, Clapper and Comey will be indicted—but this is "old-news".



More indictments are to be handed down soon (next week?) regarding the FBI agents and appointees I'd listed previously.

.

DiGenova would be an awesome AG!! He get's my vote, or Judge Jeannine Pirro, flip a coin!!! I just saw a video on youtube that James O'keefe (from Project Veritas) is going to be releasing video's that he has been (secretly) taking on individuals involved in the deep state corruption scheme one by one!!! Between that, and Trump releasing the documents (that Rosenstien has been refusing to release to Devin Nunes), any day now, should make things pretty interesting...!!! This news makes me feel like a kid on Christmas Eve!!! Can't wait for the media's reaction...!!!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

I'm delusional...??? Every post of yours is more proof that liberalism is a mental disorder!! "You people" make no sense at all. I still have no idea what the hell you are talking about in your rant, but I'm the stupid one, right??? This younger generation is looking for an alternative form of govt because they have been fed a bunch of BS propaganda since kindergarten. They have been taught that America sucks, and is the source of all the problems in the world by the (overwhelmingly liberal) school systems. They are destroying what has been the BEST thing that has ever happened in the history of the entire world: The Constitution of the United States. Any American citizen that does not agree with this is sadly, ill informed IMHO.

The other day, I was watching TV with my Liberal neighbors, when a spokes-person stated,

"Conservatives are homophobic, Islamophobic, sexists, ageists (think throwing Grannie over a cliff), racist, deplorable, anti-gay marriage, anti-gender-neutral bathrooms, xenophobic, war-hawks, gun-loving, anti-government, and anti-Socialist bigots".

I pointed to the TV, smirked and said, "My people".

They both laughed.

[noreast]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

I'm delusional...??? Every post of yours is more proof that liberalism is a mental disorder!! "You people" make no sense at all. I still have no idea what the hell you are talking about in your rant, but I'm the stupid one, right??? This younger generation is looking for an alternative form of govt because they have been fed a bunch of BS propaganda since kindergarten. They have been taught that America sucks, and is the source of all the problems in the world by the (overwhelmingly liberal) school systems. They are destroying what has been the BEST thing that has ever happened in the history of the entire world: The Constitution of the United States. Any American citizen that does not agree with this is sadly, ill informed IMHO.

Again, you reading comprehension stands out, that's tough to do on line.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by noreast

Again, you reading comprehension stands out, that's tough to do on line.

My reading comprehension is good enough to get around your spelling and punctuation, but again, what does this mean????? I don't even know what you are talking about. I am dead serious. I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. It's like I'm trying to read something in a foreign language I don't read or speak!!! I will send you my cell phone number in a PM if you think that would help you explain, since you can't (or won't) do it on line cause I would really like to try and understand... Maybe someone else (Rusty) can explain your message to me, since he seems to agree with you. I am really confused... Somebody, pleeeeeeease help me understand this liberal jibberish speak...

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by ApS

The other day, I was watching TV with my Liberal neighbors, when a spokes-person stated,
I pointed to the TV, smirked and said, "My people".

They both laughed.

The reason they call conservatives all those ridiculous names is simply because they KNOW they can not debate the issues and come out looking like the winner. They lose the argument EVERY time, (unless they lie through their teeth!!) so they have to "destroy" their opponents rather than debate the issues. No true, red blooded American would ever vote for today's liberal if the liberal actually stated his beliefs honestly, ie: Obama!!! They have just gone way to far to the left, hence the reason why they fight so hard for open borders. (They NEED those people on the Govt dole for future votes...) It's just a "play" in their playbook that they have been using for many, many years... The problem now though for them, is that the people are now realizing they have been getting "played" for all these years, and are realizing what the truth is, and it is starting to backfire on them starting with the election of Trump...!!! The results of these upcoming mid term elections will tell us all we need to know as to where the "majority" is in this country. Funny, all you hear about is the "blue wave" that is coming from the msm just like they said Trump can never beat hillary!! We shall see...

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Again, what does this mean????? I don't even know what you are talking about. I am dead serious. I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. It's like I'm trying to read something in a foreign language I don't read or speak!!! I will send you my cell phone number in a PM if you think that would help you explain, since you can't (or won't) do it on line cause I would really like to try and understand... Maybe someone else (Rusty) can explain your message to me, since he seems to agree with you. I am really confused... Somebody, pleeeeeeease help me understand this liberal jibberish speak...

noreast made an articulate explanation of his concerns about the wage gap and needs no further comments from me.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Rusty

noreast made an articulate explanation of his concerns about the wage gap and needs no further comments from me.

Why am I not surprised... What is your definition of "articulate"...?

[Rusty]

These little toddlers know how to scare a certain temporary WH resident.

[DEJ]

Grow up everyone.

[noreast]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

So what do you endorse? I am sincerely curious.

I endorse nothing, It would have to be a cultural change. I believe it was Warren Buffet who said "When Bernie Sanders, or someone like him gets elected president, The same people who will be crying in there Perrier will be the ones to blame".

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by noreast

I endorse nothing, It would have to be a cultural change. I believe it was Warren Buffet who said "When Bernie Sanders, or someone like him gets elected president, The same people who will be crying in there Perrier will be the ones to blame".

That "someone like him" was obama! We have already been there, done that, that's why we are where we are... Notice how conservatives dealt with obama with so much more class than the lib's are dealing with Trump!!! That's another thing I like about Trump, he is forcing liberals to show their "true colors" with their Trump derangement syndrome. Their behavior is beyond embarrassing. Trump is working on changing the culture now, (back to the way our founding fathers intended) and he is in for the fight of his life, and I think he is loving it!! You know he loves to fight, this is what he lives for!!!

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Rusty

These little toddlers know how to scare a certain temporary WH resident.

You got this exactly backwards!!!! Wait and see...

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by DEJ

Grow up everyone.

We are all consenting adults here. We don't need "parenting". If you are not interested, then you don't have to participate. The webmaster put us in our "safe zone", and we are utilizing it!! That's all. Some people enjoy this stuff!!!

[DEJ]

I rest my case.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

That "someone like him" was obama! We have already been there, done that, that's why we are where we are... Notice how conservatives dealt with obama with so much more class than the lib's are dealing with Trump!!! That's another thing I like about Trump, he is forcing liberals to show their "true colors" with their Trump derangement syndrome. Their behavior is beyond embarrassing. Trump is working on changing the culture now, (back to the way our founding fathers intended) and he is in for the fight of his life, and I think he is loving it!! You know he loves to fight, this is what he lives for!!!

If this is the culture change of the future then the I feel for our children. It's too bad it has to always come down to what people will do and say for the almighty dollar.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Biggd

If this is the culture change of the future then the I feel for our children.
It's too bad it has to always come down to what people will do and say for the almighty dollar.

Bill Clinton's, "It's The Economy, Stupid" defeated GHWB.

'Liked it better when we were promised, "A Fundamental Change for America"?

Or "We Are The People We Were Waiting For"

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by ApS

Bill Clinton's, "It's The Economy, Stupid" defeated GHWB.

'Liked it better when we were promised, "A Fundamental Change for America"?

Or "We Are The People We Were Waiting For"

I just want a leader with some class. Someone that won't shock my kids and grand kids when he speaks.
I don't think the president of our great nation should act like a child. I think he could still do a good job without all the trash talk. But that's the culture that he is fostering and it's sad to see.

[Major]

Originally Posted by noreast

You have no idea what you're talking about, as usual, How could a blue collar worker in the 50's or 60's live on one income, buy a house, and have a comfortable life, in 40 hours bye the way.Who said socialism is good. let alone great. Look at the numbers, It's a fact. We all know you don't believe in facts, All you give is dumb little like anectdotes about about hard work.

I could only hope to be as smart, educated and well-read as you. I guess you haven't read much about Margaret Thatcher who stated that "the problem with socialism is that your eventually run out of other people's money." Anyway, I am sure you will continue to blame the wealthy for all of the world's problems, but rest assured I'll continue to blame liberals.

[fatlazyless]

Let me tell you something here ....... rich or poor ...... you is better off rich!


If you want socialism, then go move to Cuba ........ adios amigo!


Down in Cuba, there's no Walmart with 13.5' Sea Dolphin Bali kayaks in medium blue, family kayaks that hold 500-lbs or two adults, two kids, and a basset hound, normally $495 ...... reduced to $250 .... two left in stock at the Plymouth Walmart. Down in Cuba there's no kayaks like this ....... all you can get in socialist Cuba is an old dead tree and you get to make it into a hollowed out canoe that maybe looks like a '57 Chevy Bel-Air if you are good ....... adios amigo!

Fidel and his brother Raul have very nice kayaks (and Fidel is dead), but for everyone else ...... all they get is a dead tree trunk.

If you save $250 on a $500 kayak, then paying for a ten dollar annual kayak sticker is not so much ...... plus it makes you feel like you own a small piece of the lake ...... the piece of the lake that you are paddling ..... and you own it, temporarily!

[Rusty]

I wonder what these former employees of the Don have to offer in their new job?

[Major]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I just want a leader with some class. Someone that won't shock my kids and grand kids when he speaks.
I don't think the president of our great nation should act like a child. I think he could still do a good job without all the trash talk. But that's the culture that he is fostering and it's sad to see.

Focus on the policies. Politicians have disappointed us with their behavior forever. Rhetoric between parties is nothing new. I just read a book about General US Grant. President Andrew Johnson's behavior was unbelievable, only matched by the Radical Republicans. Read letters between Adams and Jefferson, who each called into question the other's manhood.

I wonder if your kids and grandkids are offended by the actions of Presidents Roosevelt (with Mrs. Simpson), Kennedy (with Fiddle and Faddle), and Clinton (with the fat intern). So what, Trump says some outrageous things. His actions speak louder than his words. He's not a politician, which is a good thing. If you like his policies, that should be good enough. Also, Democrats have hardly covered themselves in glory. I wonder if they are as concerned about the credible allegations against Representative Keith Ellison as they are with the half-baked allegations against Judge Kavanagh. I know the answer to this question.

[Biggd]

Yes, you have all the answers. Why can't you get your point across without resorting to trash taking and name calling? "with the fat intern" This is exactly what I'm taking about.

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[Major]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Yes, you have all the answers. Why can't you get your point across without resorting to trash taking and name calling? "with the fat intern" This is exactly what I'm taking about.

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Firstly, I thought it was kind of funny. Secondly, of all the options, it was in the best taste. After all, her name is synonymous with an act that Clinton defined as not being a sexual act.


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[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I just want a leader with some class. Someone that won't shock my kids and grand kids when he speaks.
I don't think the president of our great nation should act like a child. I think he could still do a good job without all the trash talk. But that's the culture that he is fostering and it's sad to see.

So you would rather have a leader with class that is driving the country towards socialism, (Obama, or any other Democrat), than a leader that talks more like the electorate that voted him in, and whose policies has the best economy this country has seen in years...?? Not to mention his foreign policies. How "shocked" would your kids be if they lost their freedom to socialism??? Yup, that makes about as much sense as affirmative action, another STUPID Democrat policy!!! The culture has been going down the tubes looooong before Trump got elected. Nice try. I blame the culture on Hollywood, the public school system, main stream media, and political correctness. All Democrat controlled. Do you see the pattern here...??

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Rusty

I wonder what these former employees of the Don have to offer in their new job?

NOTHING, since Trump ran for, and got elected president. Something would of leaked if Mueller had anything. It doesn't matter anyways. This entire investigation was started on fraudulent premises, so anything they find will be for not since they went about business illegally. There is a "thing" called the Bill of Rights that we citizens are entitled to, and if law enforcement agencies get caught infringing on those rights, or don't cross their T's and dot their I's, charges are dropped. Even when they're made up out of thin air!! There will be no charges. A sitting President cannot be indicted. Our founding fathers were absolutely brilliant. It's almost as if they knew back then that the Democrat party would eventually go rouge with corruption!! I really don't think you realize what is going on here. You should try watching something other than cnn, all it does is dumb down it's viewer(s) with fake news. Luckily it's not many, but one is too much!!

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

NOTHING, since Trump ran for, and got elected president. Something would of leaked if Mueller had anything. It doesn't matter anyways. This entire investigation was started on fraudulent premises, so anything they find will be for not since they went about business illegally. There is a "thing" called the Bill of Rights that we citizens are entitled to, and if law enforcement agencies get caught infringing on those rights, or don't cross their T's and dot their I's, charges are dropped. Even when they're made up out of thin air!! There will be no charges. A sitting President cannot be indicted. Our founding fathers were absolutely brilliant. It's almost as if they knew back then that the Democrat party would eventually go rouge with corruption!! I really don't think you realize what is going on here. You should try watching something other than cnn, all it does is dumb down it's viewer(s) with fake news. Luckily it's not many, but one is too much!!

You don't know and I don't know what the outcome will be of the Mueller investigation.
I just hope it is best for the country so we can all come together and stop all this hate and dscontent from both sides.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Rusty

These little toddlers know how to scare a certain temporary WH resident.

A "little premature cartoon" on the 16th?

But conciliatory on the 17th?

How about a cartoon that expresses a "primary Democrat ideal"—about the "treasure of Democracy"?



Yes, she really said it—at the debates!

>

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Rusty

You don't know and I don't know what the outcome will be of the Mueller investigation.
I just hope it is best for the country so we can all come together and stop all this hate and dscontent from both sides.

The hate is only coming from one side... and it's never ending. It's what they do since they can't debate the issues. They do it to EVERY Republican president. Think about it. Since I have been around, it has been Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush, and now Trump. They did it to McCain when he was running for president, but all of a sudden (lately) they loved him because he hated Trump. Hypocrites. They will only stop when they are in power, (God forbid). That's what it is all about to them, POWER, even at the expense of the country, they don't care about the country, all they care about is POWER. That's why liberalism is a mental disorder. The Mueller investigation will come up with NOTHING it was supposedly intended for: Russian collusion, (which isn't even a crime!!). I would bet my life on it.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by ApS

A "little premature cartoon" on the 16th?

But conciliatory on the 17th?

How about a cartoon that expresses a "primary Democrat ideal"—about the "treasure of Democracy"?



Yes, she really said it—at the debates!

>

So true!!!!! Remember when Chris Wallace asked Trump (at one of the debates) if he would accept the results of the election if he lost, and Trump wouldn't definitively say yes at that precise moment, and he got hammered by the media for days... He said he would want a chance to make sure everything was on the up and up before he accepted it. To bad he (Chris Wallace) didn't ask Hillary, (probably by design...).

[fatlazyless]

Starting on April 15, 2019, paying the federal 2018 personal federal income tax will include a ten thousand dollar limit on your state property tax deduction from your federal income tax. So, if you pay $30,000/year property tax on a Lake Winnipesaukee mcmansion, you will now have a new $20,000 net cash pay-out in federal tax.

How does that feel? This is just so unfair ...... boo-hoo ..... and could make the difference for not buying a new motor boat. Gee wiz ..... our income tax is going up, so no new boat this year ..... maybe just a new Sun Dolfin Bali 13.5' family kayak for the low, low, low price of ...... don't a u-know ....only $250 .... at u-know where ...... the Plymouth Walmart!

With the new tariff increases on consumer goods made in China, will this $250 price seem like a steal of a deal, come next year? It is a steal of a deal and the Plymouth Walmart has two big blue kayaks left, as of yesterday. So, go beat the Trump China tariff increase on consumer goods and buy it soon.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

The hate is only coming from one side... and it's never ending. It's what they do since they can't debate the issues. They do it to EVERY Republican president. Think about it. Since I have been around, it has been Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush, and now Trump. They did it to McCain when he was running for president, but all of a sudden (lately) they loved him because he hated Trump. Hypocrites. They will only stop when they are in power, (God forbid). That's what it is all about to them, POWER, even at the expense of the country, they don't care about the country, all they care about is POWER. That's why liberalism is a mental disorder. The Mueller investigation will come up with NOTHING it was supposedly intended for: Russian collusion, (which isn't even a crime!!). I would bet my life on it.

Oh "They" do, do "they". Too funny!

So Clinton and Obama got a free pass during their presidency Selective memory there my friend.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Rusty

So Clinton and Obama got a free pass during their presidency Selective memory there my friend.

Yes, they did receive a free pass. Look back on the confirmations of Ginsberg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan. All sailed through with moderate to strong Republican support. You know why, it was the right thing to do. They were qualified candidates who deserved to be treated in a respectful manner. Republicans did not pull the stunts being pulled by Democrats. Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts, Neil Gorsuch, and now Kavanaugh, each a dog fight. Good men being maligned for political gain. Cal Coon said it accurately, the hate comes from one side only.

Look at how an honorable man like Mitt Romney was treated. He had a binder of qualified women to fill important positions and was crucified by the press. Nothing nefarious. If only he had a little of Trump in him, and fought back, he may have been President.

What backlash did Obama receive for lying to us? (Bengasi; "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance.") Clinton lied under oath and was never convicted by the Senate. Free passes to both.

The tone and behavior is being set by liberals. Look at how Occupy Wall Street and BLM protestors behave versus Tea Party protestors. How the left takes the law into their own hands and tears down statues instead of going through the process in a democratic way. The examples are endless.

I love that Trump fights back. He doesn't let one slight go unnoticed.

[fatlazyless]

At age-72, Donald Trump is too danged old and DEFICIENT ...... an old time, crime boss ..... the crime boss in chief .... a mafia guy character from a movie ..... hope to see him in handcuffs and an orange, prison jump suit with a large 'P' on the back .... for money laundering scheme ..... for colluding to sell expensive Trump condos to Russia organized crime associates ..... in Russia, organized crime is the government ..... and Putin has him over a barrel ....

Between his sleeping late, going to bed early, writing tweets, watching Fox-TV, flying to golf, and flying to campaign events, how much time does he actually spend in the Oval Office now that Hope Hicks is no longer there?

USA needs Hope Hicks back in the Oval Office ...... she was age-28 and a very smart hottie ....... and Donald must be missing her ....... where is the Hope?


Definition of deficient: not having enough of a specified ingredient or quality ..... so what is he missing? ...... how's about dishonesty ......and he does not like dogs ...... which actually says a lot ....


You know there's a big, big difference between Donald Trump, candidate from the www.wwe.com, and Mitt Romney, candidate from the www.gop.com/platform ……. why, just look at their two hair-dos …… is totally different. One is real, and one is fake.

[Major]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

At age-72, Donald Trump is too danged old and deficient to be president.

Between his sleeping late, going to bed early, writing tweets, watching Fox-TV, flying to golf, and flying to campaign events, how much time does he actually spend in the Oval Office now that Hope Hicks is no longer there?

USA needs Hope Hicks back in the Oval Office ...... she was age-28 and a very smart hottie ....... and Donald must be missing her ....... where is the Hope?

Trump has standards! He wouldn't be caught dead with a fat intern!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Rusty

To me it is also amazing to see the vast corruption that the FBI have found hanging around the current administration in the WH:

Yup.

One of Trump's associates is serving 14 days in prison.

Did the FBI find anything in the eight years of the Obama Administration?

That associate—and the rest—may be asking about prison library books from Martha Stewart, who served five months for the FBI's version of a "Procedural Crime".

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Oh "They" do, do "they". Too funny!

So Clinton and Obama got a free pass during their presidency Selective memory there my friend.

Yes, "they" do. If you were capable of being HONEST with yourself, you would see what I see... It's right there in your face!!! Couldn't be any more obvious. "They" are not even trying to hide the hypocrisy as much as "they" used to. Politics 101.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Yes, "they" do. If you were capable of being HONEST with yourself, you would see what I see... It's right there in your face!!! Couldn't be any more obvious. "They" are not even trying to hide the hypocrisy as much as "they" used to. Politics 101.

Oh I "see".."see" what you "see".
Case closed my friend.

[ApS]

When hair "makes the man"...

[fatlazyless]

... talking about Donald's hair and sailing - good for the world


Why ...... isn't the Donald a sort of a sailor every time he steps outdoors ..... without his hat on ..... with his comb-over exposed to the breeze .... his hair can easily do an uncontrolled flying jibe ....... ready about ...... hard to windward ..... there he goes ..... the Donald!



"Excuse me, Melania, where's my hat?"

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Oh I "see".."see" what you "see".
Case closed my friend.

Yeah, you got me. I lose, you win. Damn, you're good at this...

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Yes, you have all the answers. Why can't you get your point across without resorting to trash taking and name calling? "with the fat intern" This is exactly what I'm taking about.

Democrats never curse and use "F-bombs".

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Biggd

If this is the culture change of the future then the I feel for our children. It's too bad it has to always come down to what people will do and say for the almighty dollar.

I don't know about that...

[Shrimpbrain]

Originally Posted by Rusty

How about the wall street bail out.

Attachment 14203

Than there was the auto bail out.

Attachment 14204

So Rusty, you are FINALLY admitted that Barack Hussein is a SOCIALIST. Good Boy for finally telling the truth about something.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Below is an interesting article about why millennials believe socialism is better than capitalism.https://www.careerplanner.com/Career...enerations.cfm

Millennials are still in "indoctrination factories".

(Colleges and Universities).

[MAXUM]

They start them young believing that everyone is on an equal playing field, that there are no winners or losers (just participants which are worthy of a trophy) and squelch any concept that accomplishment is a good thing. Just be a useless victim and demand what you want. Don't need to work for it, no no, just wait for the nanny state to re-distribute it to you.

The sad thing is liberals while pontificating how they care so much about the poor, downtrodden, minorities and so on purposely exploit them for their own benefit and power. What better way to ensure total control over the masses than to get them addicted to government and what they call "free stuff".

While it may seem like all is lost, there has been an upswell of people who have extracted their kids out of this cesspool called the education system and actually taught their kids at home with a real curriculum. These kids are smart and motivated and will at some point rule the pansy masses that are being cranked out of the school systems today. Why? Because they don't cry over an election result, run to safe spaces because they don't like something and actually have a backbone to take on this nonsense.

The reason why the liberals and mainstream media despise Trump is the guy doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks of him and isn't beholden to anyone's money. He doesn't care about power, maybe his ego, but we all have flaws. He cares deeply for this country and is trying to fix it which starts by upending the political establishment in DC which explains why they, career politicians from both sides of the aisle, want him out. They don't know what to do with somebody who has the nuts to call things what they are. Thank GOD it's a breath of fresh air for a change.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

They start them young believing that everyone is on an equal playing field, that there are no winners or losers (just participants which are worthy of a trophy) and squelch any concept that accomplishment is a good thing. Just be a useless victim and demand what you want. Don't need to work for it, no no, just wait for the nanny state to re-distribute it to you.

The sad thing is liberals while pontificating how they care so much about the poor, downtrodden, minorities and so on purposely exploit them for their own benefit and power. What better way to ensure total control over the masses than to get them addicted to government and what they call "free stuff".

While it may seem like all is lost, there has been an upswell of people who have extracted their kids out of this cesspool called the education system and actually taught their kids at home with a real curriculum. These kids are smart and motivated and will at some point rule the pansy masses that are being cranked out of the school systems today. Why? Because they don't cry over an election result, run to safe spaces because they don't like something and actually have a backbone to take on this nonsense.

The reason why the liberals and mainstream media despise Trump is the guy doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks of him and isn't beholden to anyone's money. He doesn't care about power, maybe his ego, but we all have flaws. He cares deeply for this country and is trying to fix it which starts by upending the political establishment in DC which explains why they, career politicians from both sides of the aisle, want him out. They don't know what to do with somebody who has the nuts to call things what they are. Thank GOD it's a breath of fresh air for a change.

"He doesn't care about power" I had to read that twice to make sure I was reading it right.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

They start them young believing that everyone is on an equal playing field, that there are no winners or losers (just participants which are worthy of a trophy) and squelch any concept that accomplishment is a good thing. Just be a useless victim and demand what you want. Don't need to work for it, no no, just wait for the nanny state to re-distribute it to you.

The sad thing is liberals while pontificating how they care so much about the poor, downtrodden, minorities and so on purposely exploit them for their own benefit and power. What better way to ensure total control over the masses than to get them addicted to government and what they call "free stuff".

While it may seem like all is lost, there has been an upswell of people who have extracted their kids out of this cesspool called the education system and actually taught their kids at home with a real curriculum. These kids are smart and motivated and will at some point rule the pansy masses that are being cranked out of the school systems today. Why? Because they don't cry over an election result, run to safe spaces because they don't like something and actually have a backbone to take on this nonsense.

The reason why the liberals and mainstream media despise Trump is the guy doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks of him and isn't beholden to anyone's money. He doesn't care about power, maybe his ego, but we all have flaws. He cares deeply for this country and is trying to fix it which starts by upending the political establishment in DC which explains why they, career politicians from both sides of the aisle, want him out. They don't know what to do with somebody who has the nuts to call things what they are. Thank GOD it's a breath of fresh air for a change.

Amen brother, couldn't agree more!! However, I feel the need to add one thing you missed. Now their latest load of crap they're trying to force down our throats on top of not wanting to recognize winners and losers, is not wanting to recognize penis' and vagina's!!! I heard a lib the other day saying that from the time a child is born, they are not going to use the words "he" or "she" until the CHILD decides what gender they want to be, usually around the age of 4!!! That sounds like a serious mental disorder to me. Now I ask, who is destroying the culture?????

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Biggd

"He doesn't care about power" I had to read that twice to make sure I was reading it right.

He cares about transferring the power back to the people, NOT having power OVER the people... Big difference!! He is also demonstrating peace through strength to the rest of the world, ie: POWER. They don't have to like us, just respect us. N Korea is a good example of this so far. Trump has already gotten more out of that nut job in N Korea than any other president did. POWER commands respect.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Amen brother, couldn't agree more!! However, I feel the need to add one thing you missed. Now their latest load of crap they're trying to force down our throats on top of not wanting to recognize winners and losers, is not wanting to recognize penis' and vagina's!!! I heard a lib the other day saying that from the time a child is born, they are not going to use the words "he" or "she" until the CHILD decides what gender they want to be, usually around the age of 4!!! That sounds like a serious mental disorder to me. Now I ask, who is destroying the culture?????

CNN may take issue with what you've written:

CNN aired a segment...that described what Donald Trump’s genitals looks like on The Lead with Jake Tapper Tuesday. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...esident-trump/

[fatlazyless]

With socialism, everyone starves, except for the bosses in charge of supplying the food.

Capitalism works best, just look at the super-duper kayaks you can get for season end mark down prices at the Plymouth Walmart ...... they all sold out .... all gonzo ....... just one left ..... a $529 now $265, 10' , cap 500-lb, fishing specialized big water kayak, paddle included, duck hunter green!

With socialism, the bosses get fat eating sugar donuts and smoking cigars, and everyone else is thin and sick from living on stale bread crusts and sour milk!

[Dave R]

Since there seem to be some avid Trump supporters here, seems like a good place to ask...

Trump says he's going to release some classified documents that will prove there was bias against him within the the FBI during the 2016 election and therefore shows the investigation was tainted from the start. To be completely honest, his assertions seem completely plausible, most people hate the guy.

So let's say Trump does prove bias, so what? Why would it matter? The investigation has already produced dozens of indictments and a bunch of convictions (most from airtight confessions and plea deals) which means that regardless of the impetus for the investigation, there was clearly a lot of law-breaking going on around the man.

I totally get that you can't use illegally gathered evidence to convict someone, but I don't think there are any laws prohibiting law enforcement from investigating (and legally gathering evidence on) someone that they also happen to dislike personally. Anyone here know what the actual laws are on this? To me, it seems like Trump is just posturing in order to change public opinion and that won't have any effect on the current and future convictions that result from the Mueller probe.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Since there seem to be some avid Trump supporters here, seems like a good place to ask...

Trump says he's going to release some classified documents that will prove there was bias against him within the the FBI during the 2016 election and therefore shows the investigation was tainted from the start. To be completely honest, his assertions seem completely plausible, most people hate the guy.

So let's say Trump does prove bias, so what? Why would it matter? The investigation has already produced dozens of indictments and a bunch of convictions (most from airtight confessions and plea deals) which means that regardless of the impetus for the investigation, there was clearly a lot of law-breaking going on around the man.

I totally get that you can't use illegally gathered evidence to convict someone, but I don't think there are any laws prohibiting law enforcement from investigating (and legally gathering evidence on) someone that they also happen to dislike personally. Anyone here know what the actual laws are on this? To me, it seems like Trump is just posturing in order to change public opinion and that won't have any effect on the current and future convictions that result from the Mueller probe.

If you note, Mueller says nothing! He's a very smart man! He just does his job regardless of what anyone says and ignores all the outside noise. He's not looking to sway public opinion he's just looking for facts.

Personally, I think he's just reveling in the fact that he will get the last laugh.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Biggd

If you note, Mueller says nothing! He's a very smart man! He just does his job regardless of what anyone says and ignores all the outside noise. He's not looking to sway public opinion he's just looking for facts.

Personally, I think he's just reveling in the fact that he will get the last laugh.

Maybe, but I get the impression he is not much of a reveler. He seems really shy and reserved and there's no history of gloating with that guy. He seems like the Bill Belichick of prosecutors.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Since there seem to be some avid Trump supporters here, seems like a good place to ask...

Trump says he's going to release some classified documents that will prove there was bias against him within the the FBI during the 2016 election and therefore shows the investigation was tainted from the start. To be completely honest, his assertions seem completely plausible, most people hate the guy.

So let's say Trump does prove bias, so what? Why would it matter? The investigation has already produced dozens of indictments and a bunch of convictions (most from airtight confessions and plea deals) which means that regardless of the impetus for the investigation, there was clearly a lot of law-breaking going on around the man.

I totally get that you can't use illegally gathered evidence to convict someone, but I don't think there are any laws prohibiting law enforcement from investigating (and legally gathering evidence on) someone that they also happen to dislike personally. Anyone here know what the actual laws are on this? To me, it seems like Trump is just posturing in order to change public opinion and that won't have any effect on the current and future convictions that result from the Mueller probe.

You also can't make stuff up and submit it to a court for surveillance purposes knowing the source of it is questionable at best.

Is this really the precedence you'd like to set, make up a story start an investigation and have political hit jobs going on back and forth between rival parties? All you need to do is open an investigation then search for ANYTHING that might destroy the subject. If that's where we are going I suggest doing the same for every member of congress starting with those that have been there the longest!

We shall see what comes out from this release of information but I can bet the contents will put the entire basis of this investigation in question, and furthermore could very well show that coordination of this may have reached beyond the DOJ and FBI. Now I'm no Obama lover, frankly I didn't like him at all, but I really hope this doesn't uncover that he was a knowing participant because that would be unfortunate. While I never liked his policies I'd like to think he had enough integrity to not condone this sort of thing never mind being a participant.

I understand politics is an ugly business, but these days it's not ugly it's disgusting when in the pursuit of power people are destroying one another. This sets the stage and example for everyone else - when leaders act like this is there no surprise that the electorate is equally divided and confrontational. Difference of opinion is one thing, letting that get as combative as it has is destructive to this nation as a whole I don't care what political ideology you happen to adhere to. Sadly I firmly believe there are forces at work that want this country to be tore apart and destroyed and the big question is why?

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

You also can't make stuff up and submit it to a court for surveillance purposes knowing the source of it is questionable at best.

One could reasonably assume that if the FISA warrant was indeed obtained illegally, lawyers would have jumped all over that when defending Manafort, Flynn, Papadopoulos, Gates, Van Der Zwaan, Pinedo, Patten and Cohen. It would have been the easiest defense to mount.

Basically, the FISA warrant legality question comes down to believing either:

A. That a whole bunch of expensive defense attorneys all forgot to implement the easiest defense ever. AND A guy who lies all the time is telling the truth, this time.

OR

B. The FISA warrant was legally obtained.

I'm pragmatic, I believe option B. All those convictions/guilty pleas make it to impossible to believe option A.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Dave R

One could reasonably assume that if the FISA warrant was indeed obtained illegally, lawyers would have jumped all over that when defending Manafort, Flynn, Papadopoulos, Gates, Van Der Zwaan, Pinedo, Patten and Cohen. It would have been the easiest defense to mount.

Basically, the FISA warrant legality question comes down to believing either:

A. That a whole bunch of expensive defense attorneys all forgot to implement the easiest defense ever. AND A guy who lies all the time is telling the truth, this time.

OR

B. The FISA warrant was legally obtained.

I'm pragmatic, I believe option B. All those convictions/guilty pleas make it to impossible to believe option A.

Who is the guy that lies all the time? Trump? Name one lie that comes even remotely close to "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor?" Or better yet, "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" (Otherwise referred to in this thread as the "fat intern.")

Get your timeline straight. When the FISA warrants were obtained, no one knew they were based on the Democrat paid for dossier. NONE of the convictions involve Trump or supposed Russian collusion. Most of the convictions involve lying to FBI during interviews. Only Manafort's appears to be substantive, but for wrongdoings way before he was ever involved with Trump or his election. All the rest are for providing false official statements. Only recently did we become aware that warrants were obtained by using false information so the defendants did not have that defense available to them at that time. It appears that Carter Page may be reneging on his plea deal. It also appears that all of the people who accepted plea deals are in for a huge payday.

Anyway, you're just trolling. If you can't see how despicable and dishonorable democrats have been since the election, there's no convincing you otherwise.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Major

Who is the guy that lies all the time? Trump?

Yeah, do you really think he's honest?

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Major

When the FISA warrants were obtained, no one knew they were based on the Democrat paid for dossier.

How could you possibly know that the Steele Dossier was the only basis for the FISA warrants?

[Major]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Yeah, do you really think he's honest?

Yes, why do you believe he's dishonest? He's done or tried to do everything he promised in his campaign.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Dave R

How could you possibly know that the Steele Dossier was the only basis for the FISA warrants?

You won't find it on CNN or MSNCB, but if you watched Fox News you would know why. The dossier is at the heart of the warrant request.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Dave R

One could reasonably assume that if the FISA warrant was indeed obtained illegally, lawyers would have jumped all over that when defending Manafort, Flynn, Papadopoulos, Gates, Van Der Zwaan, Pinedo, Patten and Cohen. It would have been the easiest defense to mount.

Basically, the FISA warrant legality question comes down to believing either:

A. That a whole bunch of expensive defense attorneys all forgot to implement the easiest defense ever. AND A guy who lies all the time is telling the truth, this time.

OR

B. The FISA warrant was legally obtained.

I'm pragmatic, I believe option B. All those convictions/guilty pleas make it to impossible to believe option A.

If you want to educate yourself on the fisa warrants, and this whole corrupt DOJ, look up these reporters: Sarah Carter, Kimberly Strassel, and John Soloman. Also look up Greg Jarrett, he is a lawyer and he wrote a book out about the whole thing. It would do you some good to watch a few episodes of Sean Hannity as well, or listen to his radio show. You will learn alot from Hannity. He explains everything just about every day, and NEW stuff comes out every day. STUFF THAT THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA HAS BEEN IGNORING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS!!! These five people have been all over this deep state corruption for the last two years!!! The media has been complicit with the deep state, but they can't ignore it much longer... It is real, and it is deeper than anyone thought possible, but it is finally coming to light... and I would bet any amount of money that Obama knows EVERYTHING about it. I believe it was him that weaponized the fbi, cia, doj, and the irs as well. There are text messages between peter struk and lisa page about the "boss" (Obama) wanting to know EVERYTHING that is going on!! When the New York Times starts to write about it, you know the S##t is about to hit the fan. The NYT has an article today about Rod Rosenstein wanting to secretly tape trump to use as "evidence" to throw Trump out of office. There is a lot more to it, but you can look it up for yourselves if you don't want to believe me... The information is out there, you just have to look it up for yourself because the MSM is corrupt and is just an extension of the democrat party, and will NOT report what doesn't fit their agenda. They are fake news.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

You also can't make stuff up and submit it to a court for surveillance purposes knowing the source of it is questionable at best.

Is this really the precedence you'd like to set, make up a story start an investigation and have political hit jobs going on back and forth between rival parties? All you need to do is open an investigation then search for ANYTHING that might destroy the subject. If that's where we are going I suggest doing the same for every member of congress starting with those that have been there the longest!

We shall see what comes out from this release of information but I can bet the contents will put the entire basis of this investigation in question, and furthermore could very well show that coordination of this may have reached beyond the DOJ and FBI. Now I'm no Obama lover, frankly I didn't like him at all, but I really hope this doesn't uncover that he was a knowing participant because that would be unfortunate. While I never liked his policies I'd like to think he had enough integrity to not condone this sort of thing never mind being a participant.

I understand politics is an ugly business, but these days it's not ugly it's disgusting when in the pursuit of power people are destroying one another. This sets the stage and example for everyone else - when leaders act like this is there no surprise that the electorate is equally divided and confrontational. Difference of opinion is one thing, letting that get as combative as it has is destructive to this nation as a whole I don't care what political ideology you happen to adhere to. Sadly I firmly believe there are forces at work that want this country to be tore apart and destroyed and the big question is why?

The answer to your question is simple. POWER. That is all Liberals care about. They don't care about this country, women, blacks, Hispanics, gays, lesbians, or anything else. They just use these things as pawns in their chess game to get what they want: POWER. If you want proof, I have the perfect example. Right now we have this circus going on about Judge Kavanaugh. Democrats say he is "guilty" of whatever his accuser has accused him of so he shouldn't be confirmed to the SCOTUS, even though the accuser hasn't even told her side of the story yet. So, if Judge Kavanaugh shouldn't be confirmed because an accusation has been made, how come you don't hear a peep out of any Liberals about Keith Ellison??? If you don't know who he is, look him up because you won't hear anything about him from the main stream media!!! If the liberals were really sincere in their beliefs, then they would be calling for the head of Keith Ellison like they are calling for the head of Kavanaugh, but they're not because Ellison has a "D" next to his name!! I won't even get into Ted Kennedy... who they admired so much he became "The Lion of the Senate" to them. REALLY????????????? Can you say DOUBLE STANDARD??? Do you see the problem here??? I don't mean "you" Maxum, I think you and I are pretty much on the same page, I'm speaking to the "other's" that don't see what we see when it is right there in front of their face!!

[MAXUM]

Keep in mind that the FISA warrant was the entry point to this investigation and in particular to watch Carter Page who ironically has never been charged with anything. That was the door opening to the FBI and DOJ to go on a fishing expedition for whatever they could find. The others who have been caught in this have been charged with making misleading statements which in and of itself is bad, but they have not lead the investigation that we know of to any significant findings related to the core purpose of this investigation. The validity of the FISA warrant cannot be used as a defense of these individuals because them being targeted is a separate issue. How is Manafort going to use that as a defense for example? What he did and got busted for is a completely separate issue all together. That doesn't clear him from wrong doing just saying they are in no way related - in fact if I'm not mistaken the prosecution of that case was handed off to a different group of people.

The bigger issue here is the way this investigation started, based on what evidence and so forth. While the FISA application presented may have been legal and approved by a judge, the omission of facts related to the supporting evidence presented to obtain it is what is in question. Clearly if there were omissions or misleading information presented to secure this warrant then that is a big problem, especially when you look at who knew what when these were signed off. The evidence thus far as reported is indicating that dossier was a key piece of evidence presented, those that signed off on the warrant knew who gathered that information and who paid for it, and there was a clear link between Fusion GPS, Steel, Ohr who was the conduit to backchannel information into the feds. Such an elaborate scheme only leads one to conclude somebody was trying to cover their tracks. Then we have the leaking of information to the media all done and timed in a coordinated fashion. Something here stinks really bad.

Bottom line the whole basis of this "investigation" seems to be a complete sham but when you have the head honchos at the FBI and DOJ pushing this who's going to question it? Where is the oversight of their actions? Why isn't any of this being looked at. How Mueller can honestly keep this going knowing the entire basis of this was tainted shows me one of two things. He has zero integrity or another partisan hack.

What's sad about this is that the credibility of both the DOJ and FBI have been seriously damaged by this. That should be the big story coming out of this, but it seems that is irrelevant to many on the left as the end justifies the means. That's pretty scary.

It will be interesting to see what comes out with all the information that gets declassified. If the dems are crying national security and keep it away from the public eye, and now the UK is crying as well, there has to be some interesting information coming that they don't want in the public arena. It begs the question as to why. Soon enough we'll find out.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Since there seem to be some avid Trump supporters here, seems like a good place to ask...Trump says he's going to release some classified documents that will prove there was bias against him within the the FBI during the 2016 election and therefore shows the investigation was tainted from the start. To be completely honest, his assertions seem completely plausible, most people hate the guy. So let's say Trump does prove bias, so what? Why would it matter? The investigation has already produced dozens of indictments and a bunch of convictions (most from airtight confessions and plea deals) which means that regardless of the impetus for the investigation, there was clearly a lot of law-breaking going on around the man. I totally get that you can't use illegally gathered evidence to convict someone, but I don't think there are any laws prohibiting law enforcement from investigating (and legally gathering evidence on) someone that they also happen to dislike personally. Anyone here know what the actual laws are on this? To me, it seems like Trump is just posturing in order to change public opinion and that won't have any effect on the current and future convictions that result from the Mueller probe.

"Changing public opinion" has been the macro-focus of the media. They're being called the "Fifth Column" for a reason.

If you have a Smart Phone, you can tune-out from TV ONCE, and tune-in to Hannity on 610 AM-radio at WGIR-Manchester. During just one three hour show, he will educate you with everything we're discussing here—and how media is propagandizing with every broadcast.

It's alarming how the Electorate has become so propagandized! They don't know that, first, the IRS became "weaponized". Now it's the DOJ and FBI!

Who knows how extensive the "Deep State" has become—except that Obama maintains an office in sight of the White House. (And his former advisor, Valerie Jarrett, shares the house with him).

Why do I have to search for the British Daily Mail for a picture of Obama's newly-gated, rental-mansion? Is it because Google is "shadow-banning" such photographs?

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

With socialism, everyone starves, except for the bosses in charge of supplying the food. Capitalism works best, just look at the super-duper kayaks you can get for season end mark down prices at the Plymouth Walmart they all sold out all gonzo just one left a $529 now $265, 10' , cap 500-lb, fishing specialized big water kayak, paddle included, duck hunter green! With socialism, the bosses get fat eating sugar donuts and smoking cigars, and everyone else is thin and sick from living on stale bread crusts and sour milk!

DC=District of Corruption...

Why would you ever vote Democrat, seeing they are morphing into Democratic-Socialists? They'll be the ones "in charge of supplying the food"!

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Dave R

How could you possibly know that the Steele Dossier was the only basis for the FISA warrants?

Another great source of information on the whole deep state corruption is to watch Judge Jeanine Pirro's show on the Fox news channel on Saturday nights at 9pm. She is a PITBULL. Not bad to look at either (for a 60 something year old woman!!). Her opening monologue is usually pretty interesting... Highly recommended. Most liberals tell me Fox news sucks, Hannity sucks, Rush Limbaugh sucks, etc,etc, "I NEVER listen to them", but you can't possibly get all your news and information from one place. That is just stupid, and makes you stupid. I watch msnbsc (Brian Williams who was fired from NBC nightly news cast for lying about Katrina) in the morning, and cnn when I get home from work till 8pm, and then I switch to Fox for the rest of the night. I hate watching cnn and msnbc, but I do it every day because I'm fascinated to see how far these people will go to spread their BS. It amazes me every day. You need to pay attention to BOTH sides and decide who you are going to trust for the facts. I agree that Fox is slanted to the right, but they are definitely more credible in my book than any other news channel, IMHO. No one from Fox has ever been fired or suspended for intentionally lying about "the facts"!! You have Brian Williams and Dan Rather on the "other side" that have both been fired for lying, but you never really heard about it... NBC did bring Brian Williams back after a "suspension", but he is out of "prime time" and is basically all washed up. So there is a pattern with the MSM that you don't see at Fox. Just the facts. Also, fwiw, another interesting guy to keep an eye on is James O'keefe from Project Veritas. He is doing GOD'S work. Check out his video's on you tube.

[MAXUM]

It's easy to say that FOX news is right and everyone else is wrong when your way of thinking aligns with the slant the commentators have. Anyone of a liberal mindset would say just the opposite and that MSNBC or CNN or fill in tbe blank is telling the truth and correct and FOX news or Newsmax (another great channel) is wrong. They all get things wrong but I do agree these days CNN and MSNBC are the worst at pushing stories that aren't accurate or flat out wrong. People now a days aren't interested in "unbiased" news anymore they want it delivered in a package of their liking.

The commentators are what they are, much as I like Hannity after a while I get a little tired of him because at times he simply over does it just like Maddow who I can barely stand to listen to for 10 minutes. Tucker Carlson is pretty good and probably the most level headed opinion guy out there. Glad he's got that show defiantly an upgrade from O'Reilly.

[ApS]

This Brian Williams?

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

The answer to your question is simple. POWER. That is all Liberals care about. They don't care about this country, women, blacks, Hispanics, gays, lesbians, or anything else. They just use these things as pawns in their chess game to get what they want: POWER. If you want proof, I have the perfect example. Right now we have this circus going on about Judge Kavanaugh. Democrats say he is "guilty" of whatever his accuser has accused him of so he shouldn't be confirmed to the SCOTUS, even though the accuser hasn't even told her side of the story yet. So, if Judge Kavanaugh shouldn't be confirmed because an accusation has been made, how come you don't hear a peep out of any Liberals about Keith Ellison??? If you don't know who he is, look him up because you won't hear anything about him from the main stream media!!! If the liberals were really sincere in their beliefs, then they would be calling for the head of Keith Ellison like they are calling for the head of Kavanaugh, but they're not because Ellison has a "D" next to his name!! Can you say DOUBLE STANDARD??? Do you see the problem here??? I don't mean "you" Maxum, I think you and I are pretty much on the same page, I'm speaking to the "other's" that don't see what we see when it is right there in front of their face!!

Keith Ellison (D) the Middle-Eastern-system convert—the wife-beater?

It's allowed in that "system". ("Just don't hit 'em where it shows").

As for Brennan:

When I got a U. S. Navy Classified Clearance, I was asked if I'd ever joined the W.E.B. DuBois Society. That name, W.E.B. DuBois, an American Communist, showed up on the 1976 ballot for the Presidency.

Probably the briefest YouTube you've ever seen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEnlAu_edNg

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

It's easy to say that FOX news is right and everyone else is wrong when your way of thinking aligns with the slant the commentators have. Anyone of a liberal mindset would say just the opposite and that MSNBC or CNN or fill in tbe blank is telling the truth and correct and FOX news or Newsmax (another great channel) is wrong. They all get things wrong but I do agree these days CNN and MSNBC are the worst at pushing stories that aren't accurate or flat out wrong. People now a days aren't interested in "unbiased" news anymore they want it delivered in a package of their liking.

The commentators are what they are, much as I like Hannity after a while I get a little tired of him because at times he simply over does it just like Maddow who I can barely stand to listen to for 10 minutes. Tucker Carlson is pretty good and probably the most level headed opinion guy out there. Glad he's got that show defiantly an upgrade from O'Reilly.

I disagree with one thing you said here. I believe (most) people would want the NEWS delivered to them objectively (if asked HONESTLY about it) so they can form their opinions with an informed mind. Most people don't even realize they are getting news fed to them on a "biased" basis ( as it's happening to them), ie: millennials!!! It's the dumbing down of America. I believe that NOT telling an important news story (because it doesn't fit an agenda), is the same thing as lying. PROPAGANDA. In a (truly) free society, it is imperative that journalists are objective. However, I agree that most people like to tune in to OPINION shows that they are like minded too, ie: Hannity, Maddow, etc,etc, that is just human nature, and that's fine, they are not "advertising" themselves as the "NEWS". "NEWS" programs that are not objective shouldn't be advertising themselves as "the news"!! It's just wrong, and it's the ENTIRE main stream media, and I think our libel laws need to be "reformed" so that so called "news" channels are held accountable. I realize it can be a slippery slope with the first amendment, but there has to be some sort of "regulation" on these so called "news" programs that spew their propaganda... Again, IMHO.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Major

Who is the guy that lies all the time? Trump? Name one lie that comes even remotely close to "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor?" Or better yet, "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" (Otherwise referred to in this thread as the "fat intern.")
Get your timeline straight. When the FISA warrants were obtained, no one knew they were based on the Democrat paid for dossier. NONE of the convictions involve Trump or supposed Russian collusion. Most of the convictions involve lying to FBI during interviews. Only Manafort's appears to be substantive, but for wrongdoings way before he was ever involved with Trump or his election. All the rest are for providing false official statements. Only recently did we become aware that warrants were obtained by using false information so the defendants did not have that defense available to them at that time. It appears that Carter Page may be reneging on his plea deal. It also appears that all of the people who accepted plea deals are in for a huge payday. Anyway, you're just trolling. If you can't see how despicable and dishonorable democrats have been since the election, there's no convincing you otherwise.

• Now Democrats are indicating they'll impeach the newest Republican Supreme Court nominee, even if he's confirmed by the Senate: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...confirmed.html

• Accuser hired same attorney who "Borked" Republican's previous nominee, Robert Bork. "Was also involved with Anita Hill’s decision to testify against Supreme Court Nominee Clarence Thomas"—Politico
Audio recording of plot: http://dailycaller.com/2018/09/21/ri...eat-kavanaugh/

• High School Yearbook scrubbed of accuser's sex/alcohol environment: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...s-and-elitism/

• Her witness, Ms. Keyser, does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Christine Ford.” https://ktvq.com/cnn-us-politics/201...d-about-party/

• A third named witness denies accuser's allegations. https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...s-allegations/

• Christine Blasey Ford is a co-author of at least eight published scientific papers produced by the pharmaceutical giant to promote its mifepristone abortion pills. http://www.corcept.com/prod...

• Christine Ford’s brother was formerly employed at the D.C. offices of Baker & Hostetler LLP. That’s the same firm that made payments over half a million dollars to Fusion GPS. https://www.pacificpundit.com/2018/0...to-fusion-gps/

• Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent towards, or resistance against lawful authority...—Wikipedia

• Expect a book, a movie, and that the accuser—however discredited—will become a millionaire.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by ApS

• Now Democrats are indicating they'll impeach the newest Republican Supreme Court nominee, even if he's confirmed by the Senate: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...confirmed.html

• Accuser hired same attorney who "Borked" Republican's previous nominee, Robert Bork. "Was also involved with Anita Hill’s decision to testify against Supreme Court Nominee Clarence Thomas"—Politico
Audio recording of plot: http://dailycaller.com/2018/09/21/ri...eat-kavanaugh/

• High School Yearbook scrubbed of accuser's sex/alcohol environment: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...s-and-elitism/

• Her witness, Ms. Keyser, does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Christine Ford.” https://ktvq.com/cnn-us-politics/201...d-about-party/

• A third named witness denies accuser's allegations. https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...s-allegations/

• Christine Blasey Ford is a co-author of at least eight published scientific papers produced by the pharmaceutical giant to promote its mifepristone abortion pills. http://www.corcept.com/prod...

• Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent towards, or resistance against lawful authority...—Wikipedia

• Expect a book, a movie, and that the accuser—however discredited—will become a millionaire.

As usual, it's ALL politics. Democrats (and ANYONE that KNOWINGLY supports them) are RUTHLESS scumbags that have NO problem destroying otherwise decent people. IT IS SO WRONG. They need to be held accountable... GO TRUMP!!!!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Rusty

To me it is also amazing to see the vast corruption that the FBI have found hanging around the current administration in the WH:

It's amazing to me the vast corruption that the FBI DID NOT FIND in the Obama White House.

If you were President Trump, what would you think about 43 former Obama "Czars" who have converted to Civil-Service employment in DC—impervious to firing while creating mischief or treason?

("Czar" Van Jones was outed as an admitted Communist—founder of a Communist cell—and resigned).

"Ooh. Van Jones. We were so delighted to recruit him to the White House," White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett told a conference of left-wing bloggers last month. "We were watching him for as long as he's been active out in Oakland."
Did the Secret Service object to Van Jones? If so, who overrode them? What did the president know and when did he know it?https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...nes_98293.html

Valerie Jarrett shares a DC mansion with Obama—today—in sight of the White House.

Originally Posted by Dave R

One could reasonably assume that if the FISA warrant was indeed obtained illegally, lawyers would have jumped all over that when defending Manafort, Flynn, Papadopoulos, Gates, Van Der Zwaan, Pinedo, Patten and Cohen. It would have been the easiest defense to mount.
Basically, the FISA warrant legality question comes down to believing either:
A. That a whole bunch of expensive defense attorneys all forgot to implement the easiest defense ever. AND A guy who lies all the time is telling the truth, this time.
OR
B. The FISA warrant was legally obtained.
I'm pragmatic, I believe option B. All those convictions/guilty pleas make it to impossible to believe option A.

The FISA warrant "onion" is slowly being peeled away.

An effort (later abandoned) by Republicans was picked up the Democrats (Hillary's DNC), who gave it to a DC attorney group (Perkins-Coie), who contracted with "Fusion GPS", a group who has, as a member, Nellie Ohr. Her husband, Bruce Ohr works at the FBI...

"The longtime government prosecutor was demoted in December 2017 after the DOJ learned he had been in touch with [UK agent] Christopher Steele" . https://thehill.com/policy/national-...nder-fire-from

Each time the Steele Dossier exchanges hands, many dollars go to "Fusion GPS". The FBI indicated it wanted copies, but that was dropped when impropriety raised its ugly head.

"But neither the FBI nor Justice informed FISC that the information had in fact been paid for by the Democrats, which would have immediately raised doubts about the surveillance request's legitimacy". https://www.investors.com/politics/e...-spy-on-trump/

This is all the work of the Deep State. It's in e-book form, so DaveR doesn't have to listen to Sean Hannity.




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