Wolfeboro Hit and Run - Page 2

codeman671 · 08-18-2023, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ApS

Explain why metal trim from the HackerCraft's deck are tangled in the Searay's prop. (And fabric--possibly the remains of PFDs from the HackerCraft).

I see it as the Searay launching itself off the permanent piling dock and shredding the Hackercraft on its way down. (Having angled itself off the keel to spare the other prop from equally severe damage: The HackerCraft acting like a floating cushion).

Subtracting 150' legal distance from each shore (to include boulders, wooden rafts, and that "permanent" bright red warning float), that "pinch-point" at Keewaydin Point is very tight for a 17-ton vessel to be traveling at such an inhumane speed--made even worse when two such craft are passing each other.

It sounds to me like someone has been watching a few too many Dukes of Hazard re-runs…

I doubt highly that a 40k lb vessel launched over the dock with its death machine props shearing the top off the boat as it flew through the air…

steve-on-mark · 08-18-2023, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

It sounds to me like someone has been watching a few too many Dukes of Hazard re-runs…

I doubt highly that a 40k lb vessel launched over the dock with its death machine props shearing the top off the boat as it flew through the air…

Picturing the driver butt- sliding across the bow and into the waiting getaway boat..." Just a good ole boy..." . You know the rest!

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codeman671 · 08-18-2023, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by steve-on-mark

Picturing the driver butt- sliding across the bow and into the waiting getaway boat..." Just a good ole boy..." . You know the rest!

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Judging by the size of the owner not a lot of sliding was going on…

ApS · 08-19-2023, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

It sounds to me like someone has been watching a few too many Dukes of Hazard re-runs…I doubt highly that a 40k lb vessel launched over the dock with its death machine props shearing the top off the boat as it flew through the air…

Take another look at the HackerCraft and the dock:

https://indepthnh.org/2023/08/13/wol...investigation/

The dock's wooden 2x8's are crushed directly downwards (unlike ice damage). The bench seat is depressed towards the splintered dock.

This crime scene is where the Searay traversed the dock at a deadly speed, continued across the secured HackerCraft--depressing the hull downwards--and shredding the forward cockpit/helm. The Searay continued across the HackerCraft wrapping the pumpkin-colored boat cover around the propeller. (Note the cover's elastic edges).

Prove me wrong.

tis · 08-19-2023, 04:21 AM

Now that you mention it, the boat did have a pumpkin colored cover.

Descant · 08-16-2023, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

I have owned CG documented boats before but still always registered in NH. Can’t say that I have ever see a boat on the lake that should have bow numbers and didn’t. It screams pull me over.

My lienholder required it on my Rinker 320EC (which coincidently was sold to a friend of the clown involved in this). I didn’t bother to put the name on it, it was never leaving the lake while I owned it and no CG here to ask questions. Wasn’t opposed to it, just never got to it. It mainly stayed tied up at our dock being used as sleeping quarters as our camp build was in the planning stages.

I first owned a documented vessel in 1993. As above, I was concerned about getting stopped by MP for no bow numbers. A letter from Director Barrett assured me there should be no problem, but I was still required to pay a state fee and display the colored sticker. A recent purchase came from NJ and a title company wanted $700 to do the documentation. Since NH is not a title state, I simply took the bill of sale to a marina and registered the boat. (I always register in Gilford so the town gets the benefit of the tax dollars to support Glendale.)

Little Bear · 08-16-2023, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

I have owned CG documented boats before but still always registered in NH. Can’t say that I have ever see a boat on the lake that should have bow numbers and didn’t. It screams pull me over.

My lienholder required it on my Rinker 320EC (which coincidently was sold to a friend of the clown involved in this). I didn’t bother to put the name on it, it was never leaving the lake while I owned it and no CG here to ask questions. Wasn’t opposed to it, just never got to it. It mainly stayed tied up at our dock being used as sleeping quarters as our camp build was in the planning stages.

See post 11 in this thread. I was skeptical as well.

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...+marine+patrol

ApS · 08-14-2023, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu

My wife just shared this with me. Poor Chris Craft.
https://indepthnh.org/2023/08/13/wol...investigation/

That may be a Hackercraft.

I have sent an email to the NHMP to confirm that name and the location of the "accident". Technically, it maybe been Tuftonboro Bay (Libby Museum area) and not Winter Harbor (Carry Beach area).

That "rescue trip" to Tuftonboro could've been very short.

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Originally Posted by SAB1

Only reason they fled was they were hammered. No other reason to run. You just put a boat worth $100k on the a dock. They are gonna get caught cause you know they gotta call their insurance company lol.

What responsibility has the insurance company to inform authorities?

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot

The guy who hit a rock just hit a rock. Destroying somebody else's boat and fleeing may be criminal. If not criminal, it's at least subject to a civil lawsuit. Either way leaves a public record

"Failure to keep a proper watch" is a ticketable offense. Whether points are assessed is unknown to me.

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Originally Posted by Woodsy

Unfortunately it will be almost impossible to prove impairment or who was driving... Although there may be some charges forthcoming from the investigation. The silver lining of this accident is that thankfully nobody was killed and most likely there is plenty of liability insurance on that 50' SeaRay to cover both the dock rebuild and the old woody rebuild. Woodsy

...And the lake can return to Normal--right?

We may be grooming Lake Winnipesaukee's own Robert Lapointe!

https://www.mrlakefront.net/newsdeta...id=1080&start=

tis · 08-15-2023, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ApS

That may be a Hackercraft.

I have sent an email to the NHMP to confirm that name and the location of the "accident". Technically, it maybe been Tuftonboro Bay (Libby Museum area) and not Winter Harbor (Carry Beach area).

That "rescue trip" to Tuftonboro could've been very short.

What responsibility has the insurance company to inform authorities?

"Failure to keep a proper watch" is a ticketable offense. Whether points are assessed is unknown to me.

...And the lake can return to Normal--right?

We may be grooming Lake Winnipesaukee's own Robert Lapointe!

https://www.mrlakefront.net/newsdeta...id=1080&start=

We always called it Keewaydin Point. They used to have cottages for rent, now they are condos.

ishoot308 · 08-15-2023, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tis

We always called it Keewaydin Point.

That is what I have always known it as well...

Dan

Jeanzb1 · 08-14-2023, 05:22 PM

I may be mistaken, but I believe that the picture of the 50’ Sea Ray is at Mountain View, not Silver Sands. We also heard that the big yellow crane over there belongs to him.

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WinterHarborGuy · 08-14-2023, 05:33 PM

The accident was in the area of the bay right where it goes towards Libby. Pretty close to the corner between the Carry Beach area from the Libby Beach Area.

Wrecked boat not a Chris Craft. Still a beautiful craft.

TiltonBB · 08-14-2023, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeanzb1

I may be mistaken, but I believe that the picture of the 50’ Sea Ray is at Mountain View, not Silver Sands. We also heard that the big yellow crane over there belongs to him.

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You are mistaken. Docking on that side belongs to Silver Sands. It is across from Mountain View's I Dock but not part of it. The owner of the SeaRay does own cranes.

steve-on-mark · 08-15-2023, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB

You are mistaken. Docking on that side belongs to Silver Sands. It is across from Mountain View's I Dock but not part of it. The owner of the SeaRay does own cranes.

Correct...here is the view from Mt. View looking at Silver Sands.

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steve-on-mark · 08-15-2023, 02:28 PM

It's set up on stands... don't imagine it'll be leaving anytime soon, otherwise they would have dropped it on a trailer.

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The Real BigGuy · 08-15-2023, 03:44 PM

Good! I would really be disappointed if he walks. I hope the ChrisCraft owner gets every penny he is due. Too bad you can’t put a price tag on heartbreak!

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thinkxingu · 08-19-2023, 01:24 PM

How is this not a story all over the news?!

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WinnisquamZ · 08-19-2023, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu

How is this not a story all over the news?!

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No arrest warrants have been issued by the NH SP. just looking to talk

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dmjr · 08-19-2023, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

No arrest warrants have been issued by the NH SP. just looking to talk

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I am also wondering if they have made contact with all parties and they are keeping everything hush until their investigation is completed.

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WinterHarborGuy · 08-19-2023, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu

How is this not a story all over the news?!

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Clearly, the police have shared his name with some of the victims. Plus, he was fairly well known for that boat, so other people have so surmised his identity.

Not sure why police have not shared his identity with the media. I don’t understand why they wouldnt if they are looking for him.

dmjr · 08-19-2023, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WinterHarborGuy

Clearly, the police have shared his name with some of the victims. Plus, he was fairly well known for that boat, so other people have so surmised his identity.

Not sure why police have not shared his identity with the media. I don’t understand why they wouldnt if they are looking for him.

At least there’s one thing that’s clear - it will be a good while before that boat is back in the water.

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ApS · 08-19-2023, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu

How is this not a story all over the news?!

Yeah, you'd think all NH print media were controlled by The New York Times!

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Originally Posted by upthesaukee

Why to I feel this thread is going to go "bye bye"?!?!
Dave

There's personal information here that doesn't lead to resolving important details. It is unknown if the alleged operator has yet been interviewed or charged with anything related to the circumstances.

Possible charges so far:
Failure to keep a proper watch,
Failure to observe the 150' rule,
Failure to report an accident within 10 days,
Leaving the scene of an accident (without injuries),
Entering a designated swimming area while under power,

Are any of these felonies? (BWI/"Operating under the influence" remains unproven

ETA:

On occasion, my Smartphone surprises me with "Google Photos", where they play relaxing music and print photos with: "Look at what you were enjoying in 2017"...

So...the latest Google display shows a bright red float, a float-outlined swimming area, a dock, a pumpkin-colored boat cover atop a long wooden boat.

If I'd been paying more attention to the view--than to lunch--I would have witnessed (maybe even heard) this collision.

If the HackerCraft had been docked on the same side as pictured on "Google Photos", the 50-foot Searay would've entered the float-outlined swimming area first!

John Mercier · 08-19-2023, 02:22 PM

No. Mostly fines. With a possible misdemeanor for damages over $2000 should the accident go unreported for 15 days.
But the accident may have already been reported. Since it can be reported by the operator, the boat owner, or representative of either.

They could charge the operator with negligent operation, which would be a misdemeanor. Probably resolved with a fine up to $2000

Jail time is a possibility... but not a likely outcome.

Based on the comment about the NYT, we should be asking why Rep Bordes is not screaming and proposing stricter punishment for those that cause injury or loss in a boating accident. It would help his perennial attempt to change the speed limit if he were seen as trying to be tougher on instances of moral flaw.

dmjr · 08-19-2023, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

No. Mostly fines. With a possible misdemeanor for damages over $2000 should the accident go unreported for 15 days.

But the accident may have already been reported. Since it can be reported by the operator, the boat owner, or representative of either.

They could charge the operator with negligent operation, which would be a misdemeanor. Probably resolved with a fine up to $2000

Jail time is a possibility... but not a likely outcome.

Based on the comment about the NYT, we should be asking why Rep Bordes is not screaming and proposing stricter punishment for those that cause injury or loss in a boating accident. It would help his perennial attempt to change the speed limit if he were seen as trying to be tougher on instances of moral flaw.

Absolutely! I wonder what his take is on the matter of this accident? I think that the state should look into having a stricter regulations on how a boat certificate is obtained and holding to the same standard as a motor vehicle driver’s license which has to be renewed.

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WinnisquamZ · 08-19-2023, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

No. Mostly fines. With a possible misdemeanor for damages over $2000 should the accident go unreported for 15 days.

But the accident may have already been reported. Since it can be reported by the operator, the boat owner, or representative of either.

They could charge the operator with negligent operation, which would be a misdemeanor. Probably resolved with a fine up to $2000

Jail time is a possibility... but not a likely outcome.

Based on the comment about the NYT, we should be asking why Rep Bordes is not screaming and proposing stricter punishment for those that cause injury or loss in a boating accident. It would help his perennial attempt to change the speed limit if he were seen as trying to be tougher on instances of moral flaw.

Great take on where is Rep Bordes on this issue.

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dmjr · 08-19-2023, 01:37 PM

I am just so surprised it’s not being talked about more. I am sure both him and his friends are either on the run or hiding. Hopefully when they apprehend everyone - hopefully the will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

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FlyingScot · 08-19-2023, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dmjr

I am just so surprised it’s not being talked about more. I am sure both him and his friends are either on the run or hiding. Hopefully when they apprehend everyone - hopefully the will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

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Tough to run when you own a business with $18MM/year in revenue

(On the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard when the weight is lead...)

Islandbum · 08-20-2023, 06:48 AM

Love the GD reference , just as hard to run with the weight of lead.

mofn · 08-20-2023, 08:55 AM

For the lawyers out there:
If the boat is not reported stolen
Not reported missing/lost
Can it be sold at auction as abandoned property?
And can a 3rd party step forward to claim it in the name of the owner, or can only the owner do that?

John Mercier · 08-20-2023, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mofn

For the lawyers out there:
If the boat is not reported stolen
Not reported missing/lost
Can it be sold at auction as abandoned property?
And can a 3rd party step forward to claim it in the name of the owner, or can only the owner do that?

Third party representative can claim it in the name of the owner... but it doesn't have to be reported as lost or stolen. Those claims would only be made if it was lost/stolen, or in an attempt to cover the identity of the operator.
Making a false statement would move the criminal charges up.

Based on what we know, we can only infer that the operator had other issues... even more than BAC to be concerned about. That BAC level would have dropped within a 12/24 hr period to be of no legal issue.

The reporting timeline being up to 15 days means that BAC level when leaving the scene is of little to no consequence.

Operating without a valid boating certificate, or having narcotics in your system, could trigger secondary issues if you already had legal troubles from other events.

More than likely insurance will pay, heavy fines will be negotiated, and the boat returned to the owner. Boating operation certificate, if it exists, may be revoked/suspended.

The same thing actually happens in ATV/Snowmobile/Trail Bikes with some minor variation.

KDL · 08-20-2023, 04:45 PM

Maybe the law should be change to make the penalty for leaving the scene of an accident the same as the penalty for causing personal injury or property damage while boating intoxicated.

Juiced06GTO · 08-20-2023, 08:00 PM

This whole story is eerily similar to the one that happened in Boston Harbor about two years ago, with the owner of another demo company in Mass and his 36' Pursuit. Unfortunately, a girl was killed in that incident. As far as I know there were never any charges filed and it dropped out of the media quickly.

There seems to be a similar coincidence with these big demo companies, maybe some of the elected officials should look into that....

**Edit** They did end up charging the guy from Boston with manslaughter and a whole bunch of other charges. Doesn't look like it has been heard yet that I could find.

Riviera · 08-21-2023, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Juiced06GTO

This whole story is eerily similar to the one that happened in Boston Harbor about two years ago, with the owner of another demo company in Mass and his 36' Pursuit. Unfortunately, a girl was killed in that incident. As far as I know there were never any charges filed and it dropped out of the media quickly.

There seems to be a similar coincidence with these big demo companies, maybe some of the elected officials should look into that....

**Edit** They did end up charging the guy from Boston with manslaughter and a whole bunch of other charges. Doesn't look like it has been heard yet that I could find.

Similar, but:

1. A girl died.
2. The authorities let the guy go home after everybody was rescued, with no drug or alcohol testing, and…
3. The boat was stored in a secure yard, where it burned one night, many months later.

Juiced06GTO · 08-21-2023, 07:26 PM

How long until the Sea Ray burns??

I didn't know that until today. An unfortunate reality is that I am in the construction industry and we do business with both of these horrible companies, and trust me they are horrible. I wish I was in a position to change that, but I'm not quite there yet...

John Mercier · 08-21-2023, 08:10 PM

It won't.
There are no felony charges at risk here.

Slickcraft · 08-25-2023, 09:56 AM

Today's Sun.

Alan

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WOLFEBORO — Just shy of two weeks ago, a 50-foot SeaRay motorboat crashed into and heavily damaged both a large dock and the wooden boat tied to it in Winter Harbor.

The State Police press release that described this incident on Aug. 13, the day after the 11 p.m. crash, noted the New Hampshire towns where both the abandoned and pickup vessel are registered — Windham and Pelham, respectively — and that no injuries were reported.

Citing an ongoing investigation, State Police have declined to share any updates since and declined to allow photographs taken of the vessel.

The SeaRay was abandoned on rocks just past the dock where it crashed and the operator and passengers were picked up and fled the scene in a third vessel. Law enforcement located the pick-up boat docked at a Tuftonboro residence the following morning.

The SeaRay remains impounded at Silver Sands Marina in Gilford, donning a halo of yellow tape.

Marine Patrol is asking anyone who witnessed the crash or has additional details to contact Sgt. Nicholas Haroutunian at 603-227-2112 or Nicholas.M.Haroutunian@dos.nh.gov, or call State Police dispatch at 603-846-3333.

steve-on-mark · 08-25-2023, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Juiced06GTO

How long until the Sea Ray burns??

I didn't know that until today. An unfortunate reality is that I am in the construction industry and we do business with both of these horrible companies, and trust me they are horrible. I wish I was in a position to change that, but I'm not quite there yet...

If it does burn, I'll need some long sticks for the marshmallows and hotdogs!

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ApS · 08-27-2023, 04:35 AM

A friend took pictures of the struck dock yesterday.

It's been badly crushed--as has the fencing. My friend says it was a metal fence. I thought it looked (from afar) like a long bicycle rack. Not much left of it, either.

tis · 08-27-2023, 04:59 AM

It's funny we haven't heard a word about it.

Alton Bay · 08-30-2023, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tis

It's funny we haven't heard a word about it.

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ishoot308 · 08-30-2023, 08:18 PM

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...oHgKT2H-2__GV8

Dan

ApS · 08-31-2023, 02:06 AM

I'll go ahead and speculate (some more).

At ~11:00PM, the operator of left a residence in Tuftonboro (a town only a hundred watery yards from Wolfeboro), headed SE, passing a flashing-red marker 19, failed to turn South, continued a hundred yards until crushing the victim's dock with its 20 tons, flew over the HackerCraft (Dukes of Hazzard style--hat-tip to Codeman671), depressing the HackerCraft into the water--yet damaging the helm severely*, ripping through the pumpkin-colored boat cover (collecting part of it in the Searay's crushed starboard propeller), fleeing until running aground nearby, telephoning the party of the Tuftonboro home they'd just left, got a return lift to the same residence, thereby escaping authorities' scrutiny of the operator's condition. (Whether affected by alcohol or drugs).

The Searay could have piles of "empties" abandoned inside it.

*my recollection (and one old photograph) has the HackerCraft docked on the northern (other) side of the dock, wrapped in a pumpkin-colored boat cover.

Those Tuftonboro residences bordering noisy highway 109 are a haven for local (and visiting) noisy oversized boats.

The Real BigGuy · 01-09-2024, 01:09 PM

Dad207, I agree with your summation. Unfortunately, people watch crime/court dramas on TV and in the movies and think that is actually how things happen. It is fantasy vs. reality as you explained it.

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Dad207 · 01-09-2024, 02:57 PM

Yup, the witnesses were the people on the boat (family and friends) who are not going to turn the guy in, unless they can be pressured to do so. Since some may not be known, and there is no crime that the passengers committed, no way for prosecutors to pressure them.

False police report/ false insurance claim? Only false if there is evidence (again, witnesses and documents) showing that the owner (or someone else) was in fact piloting the boat that night at the time of the crash. So long as the people who were on the boat that night do not step up and do the right thing, there is no case.

Descant · 01-09-2024, 06:24 PM

There's a lot of speculation here, and it's a great game with no apparent rules, so here goes:

Hackercraft is insured by company A. Sea Ray is insured by Company B. Company A pays for repairs to the Hacker and subrogates against B. There is a bailment situation, so Hacker owner will get his deductible back. The Sea Ray, company B, is insured and there is nothing in the policy that requires a specific person to be driving, so the Sea Ray damage is covered by company B.
Now, follow this. The Sea Ray was purchased with a loan, say for $1,000,000, with 20% down. The boat is totaled, and the bank gets paid their $800,000 as the mortgagee/additional insured. They're happyy--they m,ade money on the loan. The owner bought his lakefront McMansion just before the pandemic for $750,000 and used a HELOC for the down payment on the boat. He can now sell the house (after all, he's done boating) for $2,000,000, pays off all the debt and has funds available to buy elsewhere. Nobody was hurt, nobody loses money, nobody gets a ticket. Ain't this a great country?

Dad207 · 01-09-2024, 09:21 PM

Absent an honest person or two coming forward, this is just about right. And we complain about insurance rates, and this is how it happens.

SAB1 · 01-10-2024, 06:22 AM

The beautiful world of non accountability we live in…..

Dave R · 01-12-2024, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dad207

Absent an honest person or two coming forward, this is just about right. And we complain about insurance rates, and this is how it happens.

Pretty sure the Sea Ray insurance would cover the damage regardless of a crime conviction or charge.

SAB1 · 01-12-2024, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave R

Pretty sure the Sea Ray insurance would cover the damage regardless of a crime conviction or charge.

Agree. Especially if an attorney involved.

Sue Doe-Nym · 01-12-2024, 01:30 PM

“No consequences for bad behavior”. It’s a sad commentary, starting from childhood and continuing through adulthood.

John Mercier · 01-12-2024, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

“No consequences for bad behavior”. It’s a sad commentary, starting from childhood and continuing through adulthood.

Depends. Without knowing the facts... we do not know what laws may have been broken.

Was the operator going too fast? Too fast relative to the shoreline/etc? Was the operator under the influence? Or was the operator just not paying attention -''failing to keep watch''?

A BWI, depending on other factors, would be the most devastating... but even then it might only be a first offense and the operator would live with it.

In the past, accidents that had the loss of life didn't significantly affect the operators, so this accident with no known injuries would mostly fall to the insurance claim; that should have been expected.

CrownRay · 03-28-2024, 12:43 PM

Not sure if this is related, but just saw a 2004 SeaRay 500 pop up on Facebook marketplace. Location was "laconia"

The name is "WheelSea"

Looks just like it

codeman671 · 03-28-2024, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CrownRay

Not sure if this is related, but just saw a 2004 SeaRay 500 pop up on Facebook marketplace. Location was "laconia"

The name is "WheelSea"

Looks just like it

Its not the same boat. That one is down in Portsmouth. The one up here doesn't have a name on it in the picture I have, and doesn't have the sat dome on the roof.

Cobaltdeadhead · 04-26-2024, 03:07 PM

Arrest made

https://www.wmur.com/article/man-arr...sh-nh/60620407

LIforrelaxin · 04-26-2024, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobaltdeadhead

Arrest made

https://www.wmur.com/article/man-arr...sh-nh/60620407

While this is interesting, it isn't really the operator that caused the incident, it is the "Rescue Boat" driver.... that got the culprit away from the scene. However hopefully it is a sign, that there are more arrests to be made....

tis · 04-26-2024, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

While this is interesting, it isn't really the operator that caused the incident, it is the "Rescue Boat" driver.... that got the culprit away from the scene. However hopefully it is a sign, that there are more arrests to be made....

I was surprised too. I expected the article would be about the operator being arrested, although maybe they can't prove anything because he did leave the scene. Maybe this is the only thing they can prove?

FlyingScot · 04-27-2024, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tis

I was surprised too. I expected the article would be about the operator being arrested, although maybe they can't prove anything because he did leave the scene. Maybe this is the only thing they can prove?

Agreed this may be the only thing they can prove. Maybe they expect to pressure this guy to testify against the Sea Ray captain?

Dad207 · 04-28-2024, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Agreed this may be the only thing they can prove. Maybe they expect to pressure this guy to testify against the Sea Ray captain?

Classic law enforcement technique: charge the lowest-level perpetrator on the criminal ladder, and in exchange for a deal-- say probation or dropped charges, they agree to testify against the higher-up perps, in this case, the captain of the boat who this witness (now defendant) can now identify. This works so long as the lower-level defendant is not bought off, by, and/or is wiling to take a the hit for, the target defendant.

John Mercier · 01-12-2024, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Descant

There's a lot of speculation here, and it's a great game with no apparent rules, so here goes:

Hackercraft is insured by company A. Sea Ray is insured by Company B. Company A pays for repairs to the Hacker and subrogates against B. There is a bailment situation, so Hacker owner will get his deductible back. The Sea Ray, company B, is insured and there is nothing in the policy that requires a specific person to be driving, so the Sea Ray damage is covered by company B.
Now, follow this. The Sea Ray was purchased with a loan, say for $1,000,000, with 20% down. The boat is totaled, and the bank gets paid their $800,000 as the mortgagee/additional insured. They're happyy--they m,ade money on the loan. The owner bought his lakefront McMansion just before the pandemic for $750,000 and used a HELOC for the down payment on the boat. He can now sell the house (after all, he's done boating) for $2,000,000, pays off all the debt and has funds available to buy elsewhere. Nobody was hurt, nobody loses money, nobody gets a ticket. Ain't this a great country?

Does the boat owner lose any devaluation?
If he bought the house for $750,000 and sells for $2,000,000 but has to repay the HELOC, and the boat has devalued with the insurer paying the lower valuation... doesn't the boat owner come out short of full profit?
Or am I missing something?

The Real BigGuy · 04-29-2024, 06:35 AM

It was my understanding (possibly wrong) that the second boat was called to the scene after the accident. Unfortunately, If this is the case he would have no direct knowledge of who was operating the boat at the time of the accident.

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tis · 04-29-2024, 06:49 AM

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It was my understanding (possibly wrong) that the second boat was called to the scene after the accident. Unfortunately, If this is the case he would have no direct knowledge of who was operating the boat at the time of the accident.

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Good point.

codeman671 · 04-29-2024, 07:11 AM

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It was my understanding (possibly wrong) that the second boat was called to the scene after the accident. Unfortunately, If this is the case he would have no direct knowledge of who was operating the boat at the time of the accident.

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Could be the defense taken, but everyone knows who's boat it is and chances are there were not multiple people "capable" of operating a 50' boat at night on board. Possibly none based on the outcome?

tis · 04-29-2024, 07:34 AM

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Could be the defense taken, but everyone knows who's boat it is and chances are there were not multiple people "capable" of operating a 50' boat at night on board. Possibly none based on the outcome?

But it's speculation, no proof. The law is funny, you can't assume anything.

patman · 04-29-2024, 06:07 PM

In order for the owner of the SeaRay to get insurance to cover the damages to their boat, wouldn't they have to say who was operating the boat at the time of the accident? And if they couldn't/wouldn't say who that was, maybe insurance wouldn't cover anything? I have no clue how boat insurance works.

Descant · 04-30-2024, 10:27 AM

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In order for the owner of the SeaRay to get insurance to cover the damages to their boat, wouldn't they have to say who was operating the boat at the time of the accident? And if they couldn't/wouldn't say who that was, maybe insurance wouldn't cover anything? I have no clue how boat insurance works.

The registration apparently had an individual name on it traced from the bow numbers. That person may have been a principal for a trust, LLC or other type of ownership, and perhaps that owner might collect with a claim based on the police report. Unlikely, but possible. In any event if there is a lienholder, they get their money and the owner of the dock and other boat will get paid. The bigger the boat, the stranger the ownership might be.

FlyingScot · 04-30-2024, 06:22 PM

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In order for the owner of the SeaRay to get insurance to cover the damages to their boat, wouldn't they have to say who was operating the boat at the time of the accident? And if they couldn't/wouldn't say who that was, maybe insurance wouldn't cover anything? I have no clue how boat insurance works.

I assume you're right on the insurance. But missing $10,000 or even $100,000 from the insurance company seems to be a lot less expensive than a criminal process/penalty/record.

fatlazyless · 05-17-2024, 04:28 PM

May 17: Keewaydin Point rebuilds ... http://www.concordmonitor.com/Wolfeb...aydin-55129319 dock after August boat crash.

tis · 05-18-2024, 04:26 AM

Yes, I saw the completed dock. Happy for them they could get it done quickly.

LoveLakeLife · 04-29-2024, 07:29 PM

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But it's speculation, no proof. The law is funny, you can't assume anything.

It could be considered a reasonable inference, a form of proof. I think we’ll hear sooner rather than later what happens next.

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sunset on the dock · 04-30-2024, 06:43 AM

I see there is a Demosthenes Macheras who owns a house on Winter Harbor (with a listed mailing address as Pelham NH). And not too far from the crash scene.

FlyingScot · 04-29-2024, 11:02 AM

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It was my understanding (possibly wrong) that the second boat was called to the scene after the accident. Unfortunately, If this is the case he would have no direct knowledge of who was operating the boat at the time of the accident.

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A person can testify to what they were told. Things such as "Dave called me and said "Holy F*k...I just wrecked he boat...I had 12 beers... I can't figure out what happened...Come get me before the cops show up!'"

codeman671 · 04-29-2024, 11:09 AM

What is the simple assault charge?

ApS · 08-11-2024, 05:50 PM

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It was my understanding (possibly wrong) that the second boat was called to the scene after the accident. Unfortunately, If this is the case he would have no direct knowledge of who was operating the boat at the time of the accident.

The article quoted in post #211 says an arrest was made of someone in the "rescue" boat.

sunset on the dock · 04-03-2025, 06:16 AM

Any news on this? It amazes me that we are approaching the 2 year mark and little to nothing has happened in terms of accountability. I know that they identified the get-away boat driver from Tuftonboro and MA. Is this a case of a 2 tiered legal standard?

WinterHarborGuy · 04-03-2025, 01:29 PM

I do know that his insurance company paid out and docks and damaged boats were repaired.

As you said, they did arrest the getaway boat guy, and I always assumed that they would leverage him to get at the driver…but no idea if that is active.

From the rumor mill, the MP (and State Police) are still working this.

The Real BigGuy · 04-29-2024, 08:58 AM

As someone else said, without proof it is just an opinion!

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LIforrelaxin · 04-29-2024, 10:48 AM

We could all speculate on what is going on, and it is just that speculation. My hope as someone earlier eluded to do, that this is an attempt to get the "get away" driver to flip, but it could also be the only charge that they have been able to attach to someone, on something.

The only people that know what happened that night are the ones that where on the SeaRay, and unless one of them points the finger at the captain of the boat it is going to be hard to legally get somewhere.

I just hope that who ever was at the helm that night, decided to spend their money else where and terrorize a new lake.....

camp guy · 04-30-2024, 09:53 AM

The prevailing wisdom among posters seems to be that 'someone', and probably all the occupants, on the Sea Ray knows what happened, and for some reason each of them is keeping quiet. Personally speaking, carrying that "load" the rest of my life would be just too much - somebody is going to crack and the whole story will be resolved. In a way, I feel sorry for the occupants, BUT not for the captain, for him (her) I have disdain.

thinkxingu · 07-30-2024, 09:51 AM

Looks like the offending vessel is being put in the water today...

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tis · 07-30-2024, 11:04 AM

The boat is apparently repaired and in the water where it got hit.

WinterHarborGuy · 07-30-2024, 11:22 AM

Yes, the rebuilt Hackercraft has been back on the dock for a week or so…

tis · 07-30-2024, 11:59 AM

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Yes, the rebuilt Hackercraft has been back on the dock for a week or so…

Yes, I was so happy to see it back in it's place.

WinterHarborGuy · 08-04-2024, 04:59 PM

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Looks like the offending vessel is being put in the water today...

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Wow…this POS is actually back on the lake. Unreal.

08-15-2023, 02:28 PM	#15
steve-on-mark Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Epping, NH / Mark Island Posts: 1,865 Thanks: 187 Thanked 734 Times in 427 Posts	It's set up on stands... don't imagine it'll be leaving anytime soon, otherwise they would have dropped it on a trailer. Sent from my Pixel 6 using Tapatalk __________________ ....keeping " urban decay " out of photos for nearly 3 years!

08-19-2023, 01:37 PM	#26
dmjr Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 274 Thanks: 2 Thanked 10 Times in 8 Posts	I am just so surprised it’s not being talked about more. I am sure both him and his friends are either on the run or hiding. Hopefully when they apprehend everyone - hopefully the will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app __________________ DMJR Moultonborough, NH

08-27-2023, 04:35 AM	#38
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 5,939 Thanks: 2,209 Thanked 776 Times in 553 Posts	You Thought The Boat Looked Bad...? A friend took pictures of the struck dock yesterday. It's been badly crushed--as has the fencing. My friend says it was a metal fence. I thought it looked (from afar) like a long bicycle rack. Not much left of it, either.

08-30-2023, 08:18 PM	#41
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 6,282 Thanks: 2,402 Thanked 5,291 Times in 2,062 Posts	From The Sun https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...oHgKT2H-2__GV8 Dan __________________ It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!

08-31-2023, 02:06 AM	#42
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 5,939 Thanks: 2,209 Thanked 776 Times in 553 Posts	OK, Then... I'll go ahead and speculate (some more). At ~11:00PM, the operator of left a residence in Tuftonboro (a town only a hundred watery yards from Wolfeboro), headed SE, passing a flashing-red marker 19, failed to turn South, continued a hundred yards until crushing the victim's dock with its 20 tons, flew over the HackerCraft (Dukes of Hazzard style--hat-tip to Codeman671), depressing the HackerCraft into the water--yet damaging the helm severely, ripping through the pumpkin-colored boat cover (collecting part of it in the Searay's* crushed starboard propeller), fleeing until running aground nearby, telephoning the party of the Tuftonboro home they'd just left, got a return lift to the same residence, thereby escaping authorities' scrutiny of the operator's condition. (Whether affected by alcohol or drugs). The Searay could have piles of "empties" abandoned inside it. my recollection (and one old photograph) has the HackerCraft* docked on the northern (other) side of the dock, wrapped in a pumpkin-colored boat cover. Those Tuftonboro residences bordering noisy highway 109 are a haven for local (and visiting) noisy oversized boats.

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08-14-2023, 05:22 PM	#11
Jeanzb1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Gilford Posts: 555 Thanks: 629 Thanked 176 Times in 95 Posts	I may be mistaken, but I believe that the picture of the 50’ Sea Ray is at Mountain View, not Silver Sands. We also heard that the big yellow crane over there belongs to him. Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app

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WinterHarborGuy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 90 Thanks: 22 Thanked 47 Times in 29 Posts	The accident was in the area of the bay right where it goes towards Libby. Pretty close to the corner between the Carry Beach area from the Libby Beach Area. Wrecked boat not a Chris Craft. Still a beautiful craft.

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08-15-2023, 03:44 PM	#16
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08-19-2023, 01:24 PM	#17
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08-19-2023, 02:22 PM	#23
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,422 Thanks: 3 Thanked 600 Times in 496 Posts	No. Mostly fines. With a possible misdemeanor for damages over $2000 should the accident go unreported for 15 days. But the accident may have already been reported. Since it can be reported by the operator, the boat owner, or representative of either. They could charge the operator with negligent operation, which would be a misdemeanor. Probably resolved with a fine up to $2000 Jail time is a possibility... but not a likely outcome. Based on the comment about the NYT, we should be asking why Rep Bordes is not screaming and proposing stricter punishment for those that cause injury or loss in a boating accident. It would help his perennial attempt to change the speed limit if he were seen as trying to be tougher on instances of moral flaw.

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mofn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 15 Posts	For the lawyers out there: If the boat is not reported stolen Not reported missing/lost Can it be sold at auction as abandoned property? And can a 3rd party step forward to claim it in the name of the owner, or can only the owner do that?

08-20-2023, 04:45 PM	#31
KDL Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 11 Posts	Maybe the law should be change to make the penalty for leaving the scene of an accident the same as the penalty for causing personal injury or property damage while boating intoxicated.

08-20-2023, 08:00 PM	#32
Juiced06GTO Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 213 Thanks: 9 Thanked 84 Times in 49 Posts	This whole story is eerily similar to the one that happened in Boston Harbor about two years ago, with the owner of another demo company in Mass and his 36' Pursuit. Unfortunately, a girl was killed in that incident. As far as I know there were never any charges filed and it dropped out of the media quickly. There seems to be a similar coincidence with these big demo companies, maybe some of the elected officials should look into that.... Edit They did end up charging the guy from Boston with manslaughter and a whole bunch of other charges. Doesn't look like it has been heard yet that I could find.

08-21-2023, 07:26 PM	#34
Juiced06GTO Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 213 Thanks: 9 Thanked 84 Times in 49 Posts	How long until the Sea Ray burns?? I didn't know that until today. An unfortunate reality is that I am in the construction industry and we do business with both of these horrible companies, and trust me they are horrible. I wish I was in a position to change that, but I'm not quite there yet...

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John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,422 Thanks: 3 Thanked 600 Times in 496 Posts	It won't. There are no felony charges at risk here.

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08-27-2023, 04:59 AM	#39
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01-09-2024, 01:09 PM	#43
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01-09-2024, 02:57 PM	#44
Dad207 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Now residing in Echo Shores, Alton NH, originally from Baltimore MD. Posts: 113 Thanks: 193 Thanked 63 Times in 30 Posts	Boat Crash Yup, the witnesses were the people on the boat (family and friends) who are not going to turn the guy in, unless they can be pressured to do so. Since some may not be known, and there is no crime that the passengers committed, no way for prosecutors to pressure them. False police report/ false insurance claim? Only false if there is evidence (again, witnesses and documents) showing that the owner (or someone else) was in fact piloting the boat that night at the time of the crash. So long as the people who were on the boat that night do not step up and do the right thing, there is no case.

01-09-2024, 06:24 PM	#45
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,382 Thanks: 1,353 Thanked 1,628 Times in 1,060 Posts	Speculation game? There's a lot of speculation here, and it's a great game with no apparent rules, so here goes: Hackercraft is insured by company A. Sea Ray is insured by Company B. Company A pays for repairs to the Hacker and subrogates against B. There is a bailment situation, so Hacker owner will get his deductible back. The Sea Ray, company B, is insured and there is nothing in the policy that requires a specific person to be driving, so the Sea Ray damage is covered by company B. Now, follow this. The Sea Ray was purchased with a loan, say for $1,000,000, with 20% down. The boat is totaled, and the bank gets paid their $800,000 as the mortgagee/additional insured. They're happyy--they m,ade money on the loan. The owner bought his lakefront McMansion just before the pandemic for $750,000 and used a HELOC for the down payment on the boat. He can now sell the house (after all, he's done boating) for $2,000,000, pays off all the debt and has funds available to buy elsewhere. Nobody was hurt, nobody loses money, nobody gets a ticket. Ain't this a great country?

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01-09-2024, 09:21 PM	#46
Dad207 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Now residing in Echo Shores, Alton NH, originally from Baltimore MD. Posts: 113 Thanks: 193 Thanked 63 Times in 30 Posts	Boat Crash Absent an honest person or two coming forward, this is just about right. And we complain about insurance rates, and this is how it happens.