Pier 19 in Tuftonboro water in gas

[knowit]

Pier 19 has a problem with water in their gas tanks. I wouldn’t use them for boat gas anymore.

[FlyingScot]

Thanks, but that's a pretty serious charge, especially since it implies they are leaking gas into the water. Can you provide your source and/or more detail?

[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Thanks, but that's a pretty serious charge, especially since it implies they are leaking gas into the water. Can you provide your source and/or more detail?

Let's hope their gasoline isn't leaking into the lake! That is really serious.....

I was thinking that their asphalt or soil surface may have had too much water to handle during the recent rains and may have leaked into their underground storage tank.

Has anyone been recently boating in that area and notice a shine on the surface of the lake anywhere near the gas pump?

[knowit]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Thanks, but that's a pretty serious charge, especially since it implies they are leaking gas into the water. Can you provide your source and/or more detail?

The gas I just drained from my tank should be proof enough, but feel free to fill your own tank if you need more proof. I am just trying to help boaters avoid this.

There are always rainbows in the lake near the pumps. I see them all the time.

[LIforrelaxin]

Don't assume that because there is water in the gas, that it is leaching into the lake. Also don't assume that it is necessarily Pier 19 fault.

I suggest getting in touch with the store owner, and let them know what you found after filling up using their pump. They can take their due diligence and move forward to understand the severity and root cause of the problem...

With that said, notifying others is a great first step....and appreciated....

[bobkatfly]

Originally Posted by knowit

The gas I just drained from my tank should be proof enough, but feel free to fill your own tank if you need more proof. I am just trying to help boaters avoid this.

There are always rainbows in the lake near the pumps. I see them all the time.

What prompted you to suspect water? Were you having performance issues with your boat?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by knowit

The gas I just drained from my tank should be proof enough, but feel free to fill your own tank if you need more proof. I am just trying to help boaters avoid this.

There are always rainbows in the lake near the pumps. I see them all the time.

Easy, tiger. If you wrote in your first post that you had water in your tank after filling up there, that would have been the detail I was looking for. I hope your engine did not suffer damage. How did you know to look? Thanks

On the potential for gas leaking into the water--I was at the store this morning, so I walked across the street to check. There was no gas on the surface of the water. That's good, but of course it's only one observation, and if a tank is compromised...

You should probably report this to Marine Patrol

[camp guy]

Good answer by FlyingScot. Maybe Marine Patrol monitors the Forum and will see this conversation, or maybe one of the several Lake quality organizations will see this conversation and make a few inquiries f their own. I don't think a series of back and forth conversations will be the answer. JMHO

[Descant]

I recall long standing animosity from Knowit towards Pier 19, mostly centered on the seaplane issues for anybody who wants to look it up. I do not see Knowit as a reliable source vs Pier 19 without some corroboration from another source. Over the years I have had water in the gas, but not from filling up somewhere; intrusion after rough water into the tank vent was one issue. DES is the oversight authority. There is a board that oversees gas and oil discharges and has funds and authority for clean up when appropriate ("Oil Fund Disbursement Board") Owners/operators of gas storage tanks use a dipstick to determine usage and as a backup source to match existing volume to sales receipts. There is a paste that goes on the dipstick that changes color when it contacts water in the tank, as water separates and settles to the bottom of the tank. We're still early in the season. If your tank was stored with only a little gas, there's room in the tank for condensation. Adding a dry gas additive is often a simple solution.

[knowit]

Descant you are quite the piece of work. I post a simple thing advising my fellow boaters about a problem I had, and you pathetically search through my post history looking for a way to discredit me.
It’s no secret I was against the use of the Town owned pier being used by and for a commercial purpose. That was years ago. The town voted and I have moved on, forgot, and forgave. Just because people have different opinions doesn’t mean they are enemies. Our society has forgotten that.
My post was informational. Yours was inflammatory and added zero beneficial information. You choose to believe what you want , but it’s a sad person that feels the need to discredit someone that they disagree with.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by knowit

Descant you are quite the piece of work. I post a simple thing advising my fellow boaters about a problem I had, and you pathetically search through my post history looking for a way to discredit me.

It’s no secret I was against the use of the Town owned pier being used by and for a commercial purpose. That was years ago. The town voted and I have moved on, forgot, and forgave. Just because people have different opinions doesn’t mean they are enemies. Our society has forgotten that.

My post was informational. Yours was inflammatory and added zero beneficial information. You choose to believe what you want , but it’s a sad person that feels the need to discredit someone that they disagree with.

This isn't informational, it reads like a hit job.

I'm glad Descant pointed your history out because I couldn't quite put my finger on what your post felt like.

I'm just disappointed in how many people's natural reactions were to inform the authorities rather than wonder if it's even the truth...which you still haven't provided.



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[knowit]

What a bunch of old ladies on these forums. I have no time for your nursing home arguments. Done with you old ladies.
Simple facts. Engine was running poor. Troubleshooting revealed water in fuel. Removed said fuel. All I running good now. I was hoping to save someone the trouble I went through. Now, I really don’t care. These forums certainly have changed for worse. I won’t tell you where there are unmarked rocks in Melvin Bay either. Go find them yourselves. Knowit out.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

This isn't informational, it reads like a hit job.

I'm just disappointed in how many people's natural reactions were to inform the authorities rather than wonder if it's even the truth...which you still haven't provided.


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And I'm disappointed at how many people view calling the authorities as inconsistent with wondering what the truth is

Seriously--knowit should call the authorities (and the store if he has not already). If a person believes that someone is damaging engines and/or the lake, that's a moral obligation.

DES can inspect professionally and then everyone will know the truth at that point. Then the problem can be fixed, and/or apologies made.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

And I'm disappointed at how many people view calling the authorities as inconsistent with wondering what the truth is

Seriously--knowit should call the authorities (and the store if he has not already). If a person believes that someone is damaging engines and/or the lake, that's a moral obligation.

DES can inspect professionally and then everyone will know the truth at that point. Then the problem can be fixed, and/or apologies made.

If you found a fly in your soup, would you assume the restaurant did it on purpose or that another (of many) explanation exists?

And would you then call the Department of Health and go on multiple threads to throw the restaurant under the bus without addressing it with them first and/or getting confirmation?

The above comment made by knowit had no good will as claimed, and, in the 11 years I've been on this forum, I've not heard one complaint about the fuel at Pier 19...and there's even a Winnigas app for hundreds/thousands of users tracking fuel costs, additives, etc.

AND if it was a widespread issue, you don't think the myriad Facebook pages or this forum would have posts about similar issues?

Hell, if someone comes within 150' of another boater, there's a thread about it in seconds.

It just feels disingenuous.

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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

If you found a fly in your soup, would you assume the restaurant did it on purpose or that another (of many) explanation exists?

And would you then call the Department of Health and go on multiple threads to throw the restaurant under the bus without addressing it with them first and/or getting confirmation?

The above comment made by knowit had no good will as claimed, and, in the 11 years I've been on this forum, I've not heard one complaint about the fuel at Pier 19...and there's even a Winnigas app for hundreds/thousands of users tracking fuel costs, additives, etc.

AND if it was a widespread issue, you don't think the myriad Facebook pages or this forum would have posts about similar issues?

Hell, if someone comes within 150' of another boater, there's a thread about it in seconds.

It just feels disingenuous.

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I agree it feels disingenuous, but that's not really for me to judge; I do not know knowit, mistakes happen everywhere, and I care a lot more about gas in the water than a fly in my soup.

Another way to look at my assertion than knowit should call the authorities is that it pressure-tests his conviction. First, if he's not serious, he will not call. Second, if he's mistaken, they will know right away.

I'm not sure why you think it would be a problem for Pier 19 if he called DES. If there is no water in the gas, the inspector and owner can chuckle over the "dope" who called in and have a Coke together. If I were the owner of Pier 19, I would much prefer that to him posting online as he has done.

[Lake Fan]

Filled up our pontoon boat there Saturday. Ran all weekend with no problems.
There was a steady stream of boats in and out of the gas dock. Seems like if there was a widespread problem, it would have affected more than one person?