When does it end? How can it?

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

Me thinks the ignorance is all yours.

Check the message on the sign held by the flag festooned guy in the center of the photo.

"Give me liberty, or give me covid-19."

Actually, it should read "Give me liberty AND give me covid-19."

Liberty helps to cause it; sheltering helps to prevent it.

Just sayin.'

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

Liberty helps to cause it; sheltering helps to prevent it.

Liberty is freedom of choice. Like my body, my choice. Free to choose sheltering in place. Freedom to choose isn't the enemy.

The enemy is nominds like you who don't respect freedom of choice.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by Chris M

Liberty is freedom of choice. Like my body, my choice. Free to choose sheltering in place. Freedom to choose isn't the enemy.

The enemy is nominds like you who don't respect freedom of choice.

Your response is pretty harsh. How about disagreeing without being disagreeable? Cutting down on snarky comments would be a move in the right direction.

[Susie Cougar]

I just read that the Sandwich Fair has been canceled for 2020! This is not until Columbus weekend in October!

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

I just read that the Sandwich Fair has been canceled for 2020! This is not until Columbus weekend in October!

ridiculous, and this is getting way out of hand. It is now an excuse maker which has been a concern for a while.

[4 for Boating]

Seems like we are starting to find out that people were infected weeks before the alarm went off and the first hospital trigger. The latest estimates (Reported by NBC New York yesterday) for New York who is doing antibody testing now is that the death rate may be closer to .5. (Yes, worse than the flu - but one can only hope the number is closer to .5 than what has been reported in the past)

Going to be a lot of looking back on this down the road regarding what the best steps should have been. A lot easier to do after the fact we all know that.

One thing that jumps out to me is the sad aspect around nursing homes and how disproportionally they have been hit with the most susceptible population. One quarter of the deaths in NY have been at such institutions. Very, very sad.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by 4 for Boating

Seems like we are starting to find out that people were infected weeks before the alarm went off and the first hospital trigger. The latest estimates (Reported by NBC New York yesterday) for New York who is doing antibody testing now is that the death rate may be closer to .5. (Yes, worse than the flu - but one can only hope the number is closer to .5 than what has been reported in the past)

Going to be a lot of looking back on this down the road regarding what the best steps should have been. A lot easier to do after the fact we all know that.

One thing that jumps out to me is the sad aspect around nursing homes and how disproportionally they have been hit with the most susceptible population. One quarter of the deaths in NY have been at such institutions. Very, very sad.

Today's Globe reported 49 people dead of covid in a single nursing home a couple of miles from my house. Their website gives total capacity as 135 beds. It's just horrific.

[ApS]

California doctors pressured to list deaths as COVID-19:

https://youtu.be/D5GDPCUUBEE

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by ApS

California doctors pressured to list deaths as COVID-19:

https://youtu.be/D5GDPCUUBEE

Note: YouTube sensors yanked this video tidbit. Gone.

Or maybe the authors took it down. Who knows.

[Seaplane Pilot]

A friend sent this to me earlier today. If this doesn’t make you question what’s going on, then we’re all doomed.

https://americanconsequences.com/the...&ICID=ref_fark

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

A friend sent this to me earlier today. If this doesn’t make you question what’s going on, then we’re all doomed.

https://americanconsequences.com/the...&ICID=ref_fark

"we rate American Consequences Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting based on minimal use of sources to support opinions."

LINK

[Not to Worry]

I guess we cannot stay closed forever so I understand the need to reopen. Still I wonder how many of us will die as a result of this decision. Both choices are fraught with disaster. Thank you China for being open, transparent hand helping the world avoid this. NOT!

"As nearly half of U.S. states begin to ease restrictions that were put in place to slow the spread of the coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is quietly projecting a stark rise in the number of new cases of the virus and deaths from it over the next month.

Modeling from the CDC, incorporated into a chart prepared by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and circulated within the administration, was obtained by the New York Times. It projects 200,000 new daily cases of the coronavirus by the end of May and 3,000 daily deaths in the U.S. At present, approximately 25,000 new cases are reported each day, with roughly 1,750 deaths."

https://news.yahoo.com/as-states-pus...182250157.html

[Bigstan]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

"we rate American Consequences Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting based on minimal use of sources to support opinions."

LINK

So what? Doesn't make it incorrect. And who checks Media Bias Fact Check for bias? Someone has to watch the watchers.

I'm sure somewhere in the mix even CNN has an accurate story posted, you can't discount everything you don't like.

[Biggd]

Every article is slanted toward the writers bias, whether it's on MSM or the WWW. When you search anything online you are being profiled. So when you access your computer, phone, or tablet every day the articles that come up are geared towards your profile. They know what you have search and what you most likely want to see, "click bait". Everyone has an agenda and can easily find articles that fit that agenda.

[Mr. V]

Some people in rural, conservative republican SE Washington are hosting "Covid-19 parties" in the hopes of catching the virus and getting it over with.

see: https://www.columbian.com/news/2020/...st-washington/

Looks like their infection rate is increasing.

A classic "good news/bad news."

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

A friend sent this to me earlier today. If this doesn’t make you question what’s going on, then we’re all doomed.
https://americanconsequences.com/the...&ICID=ref_fark

Seaplane Pilot's thoughtful essay link seems to have attracted a detractor. The last sentence (pictured last) covers the direction of the article.

"This virus is definitely dangerous to the old and diseased. To everyone else, it's going to be a nonevent...just like every other flu season."

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

"we rate American Consequences Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting based on minimal use of sources to support opinions."
LINK

"We rate?"

Bigstan just wrote, "Who watches the Watchers?"
Excellent point.

This screen shot from Seaplane Pilot's article (below) indicates any bias is in the opposite direction.

[dickiej]

I'm generally not one to believe in conspiracies, but honest to god, the more you read and research this whole thing just makes you shake your head. 99.2% of us are unaffected, yet the entire nation was shut down and economic havoc was wreaked upon everyone. Clyde Lewis thinks this was set up to instill fear and pave the way for what he calls "the new world order." I don't know, maybe I'm just getting paranoid in my old age. We'll see.....

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by dickiej

I'm generally not one to believe in conspiracies, but honest to god, the more you read and research this whole thing just makes you shake your head. 99.2% of us are unaffected, yet the entire nation was shut down and economic havoc was wreaked upon everyone. Clyde Lewis thinks this was set up to instill fear and pave the way for what he calls "the new world order." I don't know, maybe I'm just getting paranoid in my old age. We'll see.....

Put a neck brace on before you watch this video, because your head will really be shaking!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ixYea...a4wjZL0qJdxi7s

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Put a neck brace on before you watch this video, because your head will really be shaking!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ixYea...a4wjZL0qJdxi7s

Should probably read this as well:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sc...accine-jailed/

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Put a neck brace on before you watch this video, because your head will really be shaking!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ixYea...a4wjZL0qJdxi7s

OMG! here we again. This is old bull crap. It has been disproven. Check your facts before you post this crap.. This is why social media is so wrong.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by dickiej

I'm generally not one to believe in conspiracies, but honest to god, the more you read and research this whole thing just makes you shake your head. 99.2% of us are unaffected, yet the entire nation was shut down and economic havoc was wreaked upon everyone. Clyde Lewis thinks this was set up to instill fear and pave the way for what he calls "the new world order." I don't know, maybe I'm just getting paranoid in my old age. We'll see.....

The whole point of the last two months is to make sure that "99.2% of us" remain unaffected.

So I agree that you are "just getting paranoid" if you believe that somehow virtually every government in the world, virtually every public health official, virtually every medical professional, and virtually every individual political leader in our country--from Donald Trump to Bernie Sanders--all somehow conspired to hurt the system(s) that all of us and all of them depend upon.

[Biggd]

The NH moto "live free or die" doesn't appeal to me all that much when it's an either or option.

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

I just read that the Sandwich Fair has been canceled for 2020! This is not until Columbus weekend in October!

Concerns about the coronavirus pandemic have led organizers to cancel this year’s Stratham, Lancaster, Sandwich and Cheshire fairs.

https://www.unionleader.com/news/hea...lock_id=664693

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Your response is pretty harsh. How about disagreeing without being disagreeable? Cutting down on snarky comments would be a move in the right direction.

I think some people don’t understand that their freedom of choice ends where it starts to effect others freedom to live safely. Kind of like someone choosing to drive down the road at 100 mph.


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[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by Chris M

Liberty is freedom of choice. Like my body, my choice. Free to choose sheltering in place. Freedom to choose isn't the enemy. The enemy is nominds like you who don't respect freedom of choice.

In a way the current situation is similar to times when our great nation was on a wartime footing: think WWII, for example.

The gov't enacted many draconian laws which severely impacted ones liberty interests, and it was deemed appropriate by the courts and the general public due to the perceived consequences of not adopting such harsh laws.

We interred Japanese nationals and seized their property (didn't do it to German nationalss though; gee, I wonder why not?).

More to the point we adopted very strict rationing: the law said no matter how much money you had, no matter what your need, this is all you got.

Many people felt that the rationing laws shouldn't and didn't apply to them, and they turned to the black market, which undermined the national effort.