New/proposed dock fees

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Major

I am happy to provide amusement whenever possible!

Regarding climate change, our records go back 150 or so years. Based on this limited sample size, how can anyone determine that manmade climate change exists? We know where we live was once a tropical paradise and once covered by a glacier, so we know climate change does exist. My point is that with the such small sample size how does anyone know that it can be caused by man. Remember, in the 1970s, all we heard about was the danger of global cooling. So things change. (That said, I am not an advocate of pollution, and would support efforts to reduce/eliminate pollution.)

Regarding wealth inequality, during my lifetime the playing field has been slanted to help the disadvantaged. I could name countless federal and state programs designed to help people improve their lot in life. What has that achieved? Nothing. The successful people I know are hard working, somewhat intelligent, willing to take risks, and resilient. No one of these traits guarantees success. However, anyone, and I mean anyone, who employs these traits stands a good chance of achieving some level of success. Wealth inequality, especially in the United States, has more to do with the person in the mirror than institutional forces working against success.

Regarding white privilege, this is just silly, especially over the past 50 years. As mentioned above, affirmative action and federal programs designed to help people of color are actually examples of reverse discrimination and should be unconstitutional. Notwithstanding, what is the result of all of these programs? Things are worse than ever. Not because of ones skin color, but because of the degradation of our institutional structure, such as family, church and community. In the Army, where the playing field is as level as anywhere, I can assure you there was no such thing as white privilege. I certainly never witnessed it. Each person was evaluated and promoted on his or her own merit.

You sound like a Fox News Hallucination digest.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

You sound like a Fox News Hallucination digest.

I probably don't agree with much of what Major says, but I don't have enough of a problem with him saying it to take the time to argue about it. This comment is another matter. Our problem isn't that we have people who don't believe in man-made climate change or that we have people who think socialism might not be so bad after all. Our problem is that too many people are too thin-skinned and self-righteous to accept that a person with a different opinion than their own might have some legitimate points, and they're too lazy or dim-witted to craft a persuasive agreement in favor of their own position so they just resort to throwing insults. If insults are all you have, please don't bother. It doesn't help. It simply makes it look like you and, by association, your stated position are weak and indefensible.

[TiltonBB]

"Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared."

"Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds."

"Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable."

I apologize.

I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 97 years ago.

These events might have been caused by Ford Model T emissions or possibly from horse gas releases.

[radar4401]

I don't think that anyone has an issue with climate change. The problem that people have is man made climate change and what we can do to help the situation. If the US makes draconian changes in our use of fossil fuels, does that solve the problem. I don't think so. It will only make a couple of tenths of a degree change. The real problem is with China and India who are increasing their output. Killing our economy without their cooperation in this situation does nothing but ruin our economy without doing much good. I don't hear anyone talking about getting their cooperation. My 2 cents worth.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by radar4401

I don't think that anyone has an issue with climate change. The problem that people have is man made climate change and what we can do to help the situation. If the US makes draconian changes in our use of fossil fuels, does that solve the problem. I don't think so. It will only make a couple of tenths of a degree change. The real problem is with China and India who are increasing their output. Killing our economy without their cooperation in this situation does nothing but ruin our economy without doing much good. I don't hear anyone talking about getting their cooperation. My 2 cents worth.

I agree completely that we need cooperation from India and China, that is the goal of the Paris Agreement which was signed by all 3 countries, and dozens of others. But with Trump saying the US will withdraw, we have given away our authority and leverage here.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I agree completely that we need cooperation from India and China, that is the goal of the Paris Agreement which was signed by all 3 countries, and dozens of others. But with Trump saying the US will withdraw, we have given away our authority and leverage here.

When every one else in the world understands that neither country gives a damn about climate change. That's reality. Some feel good phony agreement isn't going to incentivize them to change what they are doing. What gets their attention is putting financial pressure on them. That gives us real leverage. It'd be a heck of a lot more effective if others did the same thing.

[CaptT820]

Agreed. The US needs to do our part regardless of what India and China do, but we do need to put pressure on them (by whatever means) to get them to change. 40% of the world population lives in two nations who do not really have any limiting factors to industrial growth. We may have a shot getting India to change, but China is a whole different story. When dealing with a communist country who likes capitalism, the solution will need to be multi-faceted and well thought out.

[Lakegeezer]

The hike in fees is one way to get more funds and DES needs more funds to help protect the state's natural resources. Locally, we can't do much about global climate change but DES can help us act locally. Many people have already noticed the impact of what human development is doing to our lakes. Silt and nutrients from increased storm water run-off are aging the lakes, much faster than if we weren't here. Clean sandy bottoms are turning to muck. Water clarity is down and color is up. Fish populations are down and invasive species are up. The thousands of home and driveway cuts into the lake and the matrix of poorly maintained private roads contribute to the problem. Add to that the impact of global climate change, including shorter winters (this one excluded) and more frequent heavy rain storms, and we can clearly see the local impact. Better education about best practices, along with requirements to use best practices and better enforcement in wetlands are what we can do locally. What we do today will make a difference in 2100 - and only with a well funded DES will this happen.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I agree completely that we need cooperation from India and China, that is the goal of the Paris Agreement which was signed by all 3 countries, and dozens of others. But with Trump saying the US will withdraw, we have given away our authority and leverage here.

When I was little my mother would yell at me to clean up my room. My response was, my sister does't clean her room so why do I have to clean mine. The easiest thing to do is to do nothing!

[webmaster]

Would it do any good to remind everyone that the topic of this thread is "New/proposed dock fees"?

[Descant]

COMMISSION TO STUDY THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE CURRENT STATUTES RELATED TO
MANAGEMENT OF NON-TIDAL PUBLIC WATERWAYS AND THE CONSTRUCTION OR PLACEMENT OF STRUCTURES WITHIN THEM (RSA 482-A:35), Room 305, LOB
1:00 p.m. Regular meeting

Maybe Shore Things is attending and will let us know what went on?

[Onshore]

What was scheduled to be a 1 hour talk explaining how and why the state became involved in dock permitting, what requires permitting now, and the underlying principles governing how decisions on applications are made turned into a little over 2 hours. It went so long because there was a fair amount of questions and discussion among those in attendance. The powerpoint presentation should be posted on the Commission's website soon if has not been already.

[Descant]

Do you have a link to the Commission website? TIA

[Onshore]

Originally Posted by Descant

Do you have a link to the Commission website? TIA

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/stat...mmittees/1400/

[Descant]

Thank you. Hope you get overtime for working on Saturday.

[Dad sold the C * C]

Thank you, interesting reading.