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Saw on the morning news that there is a statewide crackdown this week on impaired boaters with extra marine patrol on duty.
Every afternoon we see lots of booze cruisers, mostly in pontoon boats having a beer or glass of wine while cruising the shore at 4mph and hope they don't get too heavy handed. On the other hand, I'm glad they're out there to keep an eye out for people in go fast boats after a day of drinking Not sure what the law is.......I believe it's legal for an operator to have an open container as long as he or she is not impaired. Anyone know if that's true? |
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WMUR had a short piece about it. It looks like it was filmed at the Glendale docks.
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Marine patrol can’t navigate a boat at the sand bar without running aground...
Wonder how well said officer can do field sobriety tests..?? |
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Ha...all a MP officer needs to know is: BLOW...BLOW...KEEP BLOWING...BLOW HARDER!
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There isn't an RSA regarding open container on a vessel.
As already stated, .08 BAC is NH DWI threshold. Marine Patrol can act on that threshold as they see fit. EDIT: Nearly forgot..... https://nhtourguide.com/is-it-legal-...shire-208.html |
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A DUI on a boat has EXACTLY the same ramifications as a DUI in your car in the state of NH. You would think WMUR would have mentioned that... However, a good lawyer will have a field day arguing the field sobriety test of someone that is on a "rocking" boat, or even bringing that person to land for the sobriety test after being on a boat for a long period of time, because it is a fact that some people continue to "feel" like they are still "rocking" on a boat long after they have been off the boat. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone drunk driving, just saying that if you are stupid enough to drink and drive, and you get a DUI, you have a better chance of beating it on a boat arrest. I witnessed this trial in Laconia District court a few years ago when I was there fighting a speeding ticket, and the perp was found not guilty because of the "rocking boat" field sobriety test defense... Personally, I don't drink, so I have no worries, but if I did and I was driving the boat, I would not drink one drop of alcohol. The penalties are just way to severe to even chance it, and when you have the Gestapo of MP that is on this lake these days, it's not a question of "IF", it's WHEN you get caught. Also, in this state, if you refuse to blow, you lose your license AUTOMATICALLY for 6 months, and even if charges are dropped, or you are found innocent at trial, you still lose license for 6 months. Which is BS to me, but that's the Gestapo.
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NH MP unfortunately can board your vessel without cause to perform a “ safety check” once they see an open container they will go into alcohol investigation mode. In the end, they need cause to perform a field sobriety check. Keeping your intake to one drink per hour, should allow you to metabolize the alcohol, and eating food and drinking water will help keep you BAC down.
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I weight 250 lbs and can have a little over 4 drinks before I blow .08
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I believe you are correct for normal conditions however, the sun & heat associated with boating causes dehydration which reduces this somewhat. (By the way, I’m also 250 and have been saying and trying to prove for a long time that I can consume more beer than the average 160 pound midget, err I mean man.)
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i do not condone it, but I can see how easy it would be to beat unless you were fall down drunk blacking out
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I honestly think I would have a better shot saying the alphabet backwards if I WAS drunk. I just tried and stumbled through it. Is that really a field sobriety test? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Forget the law--I would never get into a boat with a captain who had 4, even if he was 350
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My brother went to trial on DUI in NH. His lawyer got the arresting officer to admit (over strong objections of the prosecutor) that the field sobriety test are designed to make the defendant fail. In the end it didn’t help his case. I tried the tests stone cold sober and failed all. His lawyer said that If I had been stopped when sober my only defense would be to request a breathalyzer or blood test.
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Exactly the way I feel. I am always especially reluctant to take passengers out that have had too much to drink. When my brother-in-law arrives with a case of beer, I'm much happier staying on the beach.
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I may be Mr Party Pooper but once a beer hits my lips the boat/seadoo is not leaving the dock with me at the controls. It isn’t worth it. The kids better get me early in the day if they want to tube/wakeboard, etc.... Beer in the hand = Feet in the sand. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Of course it's hyperbole, I just used the word Gestapo for emphasis of the overwhelming presence of not just Marine Patrol, I include State Police, Fish & Game, Sheriffs Dept, and just about ALL of the local Police Departments in NH. IMHO ALL are over staffed, and overbearing in this state. I support law enforcement (to a point), but when they can board your boat for any reason, stop your commercial truck for any reason, tell you to "open your hood" (on a snowmobile) for any reason, all for the "sake of safety", I think that is out of control in a state with the greatest motto of all the states in the country!! I don't agree that they should be able to do ANY of it without JUST CAUSE. Not to mention the tax burden on top of it all... One of my all time favorite quotes: WHEN A SOCIETY IS WILLING TO SACRIFICE LIBERTIES FOR THE SAKE OF SAFETY, IT WILL LOSE BOTH, AND DESERVE NEITHER. Benjamin Franklin
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“I support law enforcement (to a point) . . . “. Yea, to the point where it infringes on you. Probably the younger generation if you are using the Gestapo in any of your comparisons. Sometimes it’s good to engage your brain before you open your mouth. You probably have never met anyone w/a number tattooed on their forearm.
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I have a breathalizer at home that I bought from Amazon. Check the reviews to find one that is accurate. They come with multiple mouth pieces so everyone can share in the fun : )
Seriously, it's a hoot and also responsible to let everyone take a test if you're having company at home or on the water. I've found that Rusty's chart is very accurate and you'd be surprised at some of the readings. Many smaller women will blow .05-.08 after two glasses of wine in some cases. I blew .06 after 4 beers and a meal one afternoon but definitely would not drive a boat or anything else. I find it very useful because some people have a high tolerance for alcohol and can be over the limit without realizing. You just might save someone from a DWI or worse if you have one around for company. |
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Makes a great gift for yourself? For $11.06, made by Greenwon, Amazon has a small, key ring sized breathalyzer, designed to go on a key ring along with the keys. It runs on two aaa batteries.
Could be a good reason to shelter in place for the night on the back seat of your car/boat/motorcycle ..... and then show it to an inquiring police officer ..... like, what are you doing here? ...... but officer, my little breathalyzer was saying 0.08 so is better to be safe ...... than sorry? Or, more likely scenario ..... hit the road .....and drive on home, anyway? Like, I am totally capable of driving with a .08 ..... what, me worry?
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I'll go out on a limb and say, you have not been infringed upon and if you have, there was likely a good reason for it. And I want to be sure I'm clear on your message....it's not that they "have", it's that they "can" board your vessel, truck, snowmobile, etc, yes? |
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Every time I've been stopped, boarded and uh hummm... it was justified. I live a law abiding life now. It's funny I've never had as much as a parking ticket since and I'm a pretty conservative guy.
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If you are driving a commercial vehicle you are subject to a safety inspection at any time. Live with it, that is the way it is. My trucks were cited for some of the most inane stuff. But that’s life when you are dragging 40,000 lbs plus on public highways. After seeing a lot crap held together by bailing wire &/or far overweight I have no issue w/safety stops.
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I’ve lived too long to get pissed at the little stuff. I might think the stuff was inane (not insane) but, you are in compliance or you are not. Almost doesn’t count. Anyway, I got into this to address your inappropriate use of “Gestapo”. I did that so, I’m out.
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Cal Coon - I can appreciate many of your sentiments and as a courtesy, heads up if you travel internationally because you are subject to similar infringements from countless TSA-like and ATF-like agencies around the world.
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Hey rusty, I'm still waiting for your version of "the real quote" that you said I butchered. Your silence is deafening... Are you a history teacher in our public school system spewing propaganda to our young unsuspecting minds? It doesn't work on adults that know better...
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For reference here is the origin of this "Operation Dry Water"
https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/...-dry-water.pdf Then WMUR ran one of there Human Interest BS stories about it. I mention BS because there should not be a special weekend where they enforce the laws that are already on the books, because of a press release. BS twice because they mention increased enforcement across the states waterways. Fished most of the day last Saturday June 30 on Winnisquam, then spent the last half of the day at the Winnisquam sand bar ( myself - stone cold sober all day, most of the other folks ****faced). During the daylight hours the Marine Patrol Boat never moved off of its docking space. I'm not trying put down the Marine Patrol, but I hate the BS story. |
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Cal Coon - see above. Not a response from Rusty (which I think you deserve - to paraphrase my father, Don’t tell me what’s wrong, tell me what’s right.) but it does put Franklin in context. However, one of the great things about quotes is we can use them any way we want because we generally have no idea what their original context was. Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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Rusty, you told him he got the quote wrong, don’t you believe you should tell him what the right quote is? Or, was he actually right?
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I have to say, I was on the water all day this past Friday, Saturday & Sunday and don't recall seeing a SINGLE MP boat ! Rather strange actually as we cruised the Lake significantly. .
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Open Container Ordinance
There is no state law pertaining to an open container in boats, ATV, PWC, and or snow machines however if you are on a municipality with open container law who can be cited by local police. This had happen a number of times at the Laconia public docks and on the ATV corridors in Laconia. I'm sure it is the same in other towns.
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I have seen 1 boat since 6/29. My assumption was that they were concentrating on the south & west side of the lake. Wonder how many boats are actually out on a weekday and how many on a weekend.
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Given the fact that it was the first week in July- a big vacation week - and clearly from the posts above confirmed as extremely busy with respect to boating .. I can only speak to what I observed (or didn't )
Quite odd ……… not even the usual MP drifting at the end of Weirs channel or Eagle isl. on Saturday .
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The link you posted is pretty much just what I said. Just talking semantics. That's why I asked rusty to explain how I "butchered" it because I knew rusty's post was completely false, and I just wanted to see if he was capable of admitting he was wrong, like I did in another post when I regretted using the word Gestapo. I have no problem "taking my medicine" when I am wrong about something...
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Operation Dry Water sees uptick in BUI arrests
GILFORD — Captain Tim Dunleavy of the New Hampshire Marine Patrol says that arrests for boating under the influence were up over last year during Operation Dry Water, an operation held in the first week in July.
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