Blue Accent Lighting

MAXUM · 03-25-2018, 08:07 AM

I've actually seen people at night tooling around with the exterior and underwater blue lights on - in fact at last year's fireworks display in Ctr Harbor there were a number of barges that had them on and the MP guys did not seem interested in addressing their use while underway. Now could be under the circumstances due to the crowds and so forth they had enough to worry about but I would have thought that if this was "illegal" they would have at least driven by and told those using them to shut them off.

I'm sure most folks that have these installed don't really know they shouldn't use them underway. Just a matter of education.

Hillcountry · 03-25-2018, 10:51 AM

So...respectfully, what exactly is your problem with pontoon boats? You keep using the word “barge” to describe what a lot of folks think is an enjoyable and fun craft for a lake environment. Certainly, these boats can rival anything on the water in looks, quality, and cost...just curious about your obvious bias against them.

Descant · 03-25-2018, 12:06 PM

Some of us prefer to swim in the dark. Lights off, please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C2WpZA_L4E

Descant · 03-29-2018, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Descant

Some of us prefer to swim in the dark. Lights off, please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C2WpZA_L4E

I apologize. This was not the link I intended to post. We re now past the discussion, so the correct link will not be needed.

Dave M · 03-30-2018, 11:29 AM

I have a tree next to shore and I have a spot light on the tree 10-15' up shining directly on my dock stairs. Been like that for 46 years, no complaints, etc. I do live in a cove behind Long Island so there's not that much traffic. It might work anywhere since its not facing out into the water.

Dave M

Hillcountry · 03-30-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave M

I have a tree next to shore and I have a spot light on the tree 10-15' up shining directly on my dock stairs. Been like that for 46 years, no complaints, etc. I do live in a cove behind Long Island so there's not that much traffic. It might work anywhere since its not facing out into the water.

Dave M

Sure...a light up on shore from a mile or two away might appear to be on the water. That said, I’m sure everyone has seen shore lighting from a dark lake and studied it to be sure of what it was...

tis · 03-30-2018, 03:24 PM

Are you sure you can't have lighting on a dock? I thought only colored lights are not allowed?

Descant · 03-30-2018, 04:21 PM

RSA 270-D:7-a Shore Lights. – No person shall display, at any point on the shore visible from the water, any lights that resemble in color or configuration the required navigation lights of any vessel.
Source. 2006, 283:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2007.

Barney Bear · 03-30-2018, 05:56 PM

We have had a post light near our dock for years and years and years and......🐻

tis · 03-30-2018, 06:04 PM

Right, descant, but I think that means any colored lights. ????

BroadHopper · 03-31-2018, 06:22 AM

Decades ago there were very little light pollution along the shores at night. The flashing lights markers were clearly visible and night navigation was not a problem. Today it is difficult to see the lights and night navigation is difficult especially on a moonless night. That is why I despise dock lights that are on during the evening. A good reason why MP will not allow collared or blinking lights. Most of the older residents realize this and turn on dock lights only when needed. Not leaving them on all night like many people do. I even seen docks that have lights on a timer so that the dock is illuminated when no one is on the property! What the purpose? Show off?

tis · 03-31-2018, 06:50 AM

We don't have lights on our docks now but when we did, people used to tell us they liked them because they used them as a guide.

upthesaukee · 03-31-2018, 08:42 AM

I pretty much agree with Broadhopper. My pet peeve is the very bright white lights that seem to be focused out toward the lake. Typically these are spotlights, Also, the homes with a large expanse of glass facing the lake, with every room seemingly lit up obscuring both navigational marker lights or Nav lights on boats.

I don't have too much of a problem with solar powered dock post cap lights, or surface mount solar dock lights. Their intensity are usually less than that of the flashers or white all around lights.

For me, it's all about the intensity. When my first mate (Mrs. Upthesaukee) can't pick out the flashers, the ride goes from "happy wife, happy life" to " #@&% those shore lights! Are you sure you know where we are at? ".

Dave

Descant · 03-31-2018, 09:34 AM

I, too, agree with Broadhopper. Light pollution is a problem. My speculation is that in the suburbs to the south, the police recommend lots of light so prowlers etc can be seen. Magazines and landscapers extol the beauty of landscape lighting. None of them have nighttime boat navigation in mind. I will admit that on a foggy night, navigating between Welch and the mainland in either direction , it was nice to see an identifiable light to confirm compass and clock. Although lots of white lights on your dock will probably not be mistaken for a vessel, they do degrade night vision making it harder to see other boats nav lights.

tis · 03-31-2018, 10:07 AM

I agree too. The cap lights on the docks are fine but bright lights are awful. I do believe you cannot have a bright light like a spotlight shining even off the lake. If it bothers your neighbors it's not allowed.

MAXUM · 03-26-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Hillcountry

So...respectfully, what exactly is your problem with pontoon boats? You keep using the word Â“bargeÂ” to describe what a lot of folks think is an enjoyable and fun craft for a lake environment. Certainly, these boats can rival anything on the water in looks, quality, and cost...just curious about your obvious bias against them.

Respectfully - let's not overstate what I've said, or NOT said.

I'm not trying to insulting anyone, I just call them party barges cause that's what they were called when they first came out. I apologize profusely if "party barge" is now considered a derogatory label.

I don't have a problem with them, never said I did, in fact the ones hitting the market these days are very nicely appointed and arguably a pretty sweet floating living room. Still think the exterior lighting is cheesy, which I might add shows zero bias one way or another towards them just one particular option some come with now. You really need to lighten up a bit (no pun intended, and please enjoy responsibly)

Finally I just happened to mention the use of exterior lights at the fireworks just as an anecdotal observation considering there were a number of MP there doing their usual thing and figured that if in fact this was illegal they didn't seem terribly concerned about addressing it. I figured this observation might add to the conversation is all. I never said or saw or even suggested any of these folks were being rude, obnoxious, unsafe in any way.

I have seen bad captains behind the helm of just about every boat type there is out there. It's not the boat that's the problem it's the meatheads at the controls.

Hillcountry · 03-26-2018, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

Respectfully - let's not overstate what I've said, or NOT said.

I'm not trying to insulting anyone, I just call them party barges cause that's what they were called when they first came out. I apologize profusely if "party barge" is now considered a derogatory label.

I don't have a problem with them, never said I did, in fact the ones hitting the market these days are very nicely appointed and arguably a pretty sweet floating living room. Still think the exterior lighting is cheesy, which I might add shows zero bias one way or another towards them just one particular option some come with now. You really need to lighten up a bit (no pun intended, and please enjoy responsibly)

Finally I just happened to mention the use of exterior lights at the fireworks just as an anecdotal observation considering there were a number of MP there doing their usual thing and figured that if in fact this was illegal they didn't seem terribly concerned about addressing it. I figured this observation might add to the conversation is all. I never said or saw or even suggested any of these folks were being rude, obnoxious, unsafe in any way.

I have seen bad captains behind the helm of just about every boat type there is out there. It's not the boat that's the problem it's the meatheads at the controls.

Can’t argue with your last sentence! For sure, lots of meatheads out there!
Oh, and I won’t “lighten up” either...except when anchored of course!

Phantom · 03-26-2018, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

I'm not trying to insulting anyone, I just call them party barges cause that's what they were called when they first came out. .

WOW !

They've always been "Party Barges" to us as well !!

What's the new PC term ? ( I'm sure after you tell me I'll continue with calling them Party Barges, but it might be nice to know !)

.

Hillcountry · 03-26-2018, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Phantom

WOW !

They've always been "Party Barges" to us as well !!

What's the new PC term ? ( I'm sure after you tell me I'll continue with calling them Party Barges, but it might be nice to know !)

.

Lol... I'm far from a PC kinda guy but the word barges was being used and not party barges...I do recall hearing people calling them party barges and dont have a problem with that...I dont have a problem with barges either I was just wondering why he was calling them barges which conjur up visions of a dirty old work barge...

Patofnaud · 03-25-2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

in fact at last year's fireworks display in Ctr Harbor there were a number of barges that had them on and the MP guys did not seem interested in addressing their use while underway.

I was there. I was one of them at anchor with mine on but turned them off when I was underway. I saw that a lot had them on underway and figured the MP left them alone because they had better things to do.

BroadHopper · 03-26-2018, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

I've actually seen people at night tooling around with the exterior and underwater blue lights on - in fact at last year's fireworks display in Ctr Harbor there were a number of barges that had them on and the MP guys did not seem interested in addressing their use while underway. Now could be under the circumstances due to the crowds and so forth they had enough to worry about but I would have thought that if this was "illegal" they would have at least driven by and told those using them to shut them off.

I'm sure most folks that have these installed don't really know they shouldn't use them underway. Just a matter of education.

I notice the same shenanigan at the Meredith fireworks display! Funny thing the 'barge' owners swear that the GFBL crowd are bad, they are worst!

ishoot308 · 03-26-2018, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I notice the same shenanigan at the Meredith fireworks display! Funny thing the 'barge' owners swear that the GFBL crowd are bad, they are worst!

“They are the worst”

You just insulted about 2/3rds of the boaters on the lake and many on this forum. Does that make you feel good? Do you feel superior with your fiberglass formula?...and since when do pontoon owners ever bad mouth the performance boat owners either here or anywhere for that matter? Many pontoon owners came from performance boats but you already knew that...

Think before you type!

Dan

03-25-2018, 12:06 PM	#3
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,360 Thanks: 1,347 Thanked 1,623 Times in 1,055 Posts	Lights off please Some of us prefer to swim in the dark. Lights off, please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C2WpZA_L4E

03-30-2018, 05:56 PM	#9
Barney Bear Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 962 Thanks: 495 Thanked 273 Times in 174 Posts	Shore White Light We have had a post light near our dock for years and years and years and......🐻

03-31-2018, 06:22 AM	#11
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,576 Thanks: 3,214 Thanked 1,103 Times in 794 Posts	Shore lights Decades ago there were very little light pollution along the shores at night. The flashing lights markers were clearly visible and night navigation was not a problem. Today it is difficult to see the lights and night navigation is difficult especially on a moonless night. That is why I despise dock lights that are on during the evening. A good reason why MP will not allow collared or blinking lights. Most of the older residents realize this and turn on dock lights only when needed. Not leaving them on all night like many people do. I even seen docks that have lights on a timer so that the dock is illuminated when no one is on the property! What the purpose? Show off? __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

03-31-2018, 08:42 AM	#13
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,599 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,458 Thanked 1,981 Times in 1,082 Posts	Light pollution getting worse. I pretty much agree with Broadhopper. My pet peeve is the very bright white lights that seem to be focused out toward the lake. Typically these are spotlights, Also, the homes with a large expanse of glass facing the lake, with every room seemingly lit up obscuring both navigational marker lights or Nav lights on boats. I don't have too much of a problem with solar powered dock post cap lights, or surface mount solar dock lights. Their intensity are usually less than that of the flashers or white all around lights. For me, it's all about the intensity. When my first mate (Mrs. Upthesaukee) can't pick out the flashers, the ride goes from "happy wife, happy life" to " #@&% those shore lights! Are you sure you know where we are at? ". Dave __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

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03-25-2018, 08:07 AM	#1
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 246 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	I've actually seen people at night tooling around with the exterior and underwater blue lights on - in fact at last year's fireworks display in Ctr Harbor there were a number of barges that had them on and the MP guys did not seem interested in addressing their use while underway. Now could be under the circumstances due to the crowds and so forth they had enough to worry about but I would have thought that if this was "illegal" they would have at least driven by and told those using them to shut them off. I'm sure most folks that have these installed don't really know they shouldn't use them underway. Just a matter of education.

03-25-2018, 10:51 AM	#2
Hillcountry Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: In the hills Posts: 2,420 Thanks: 1,677 Thanked 786 Times in 466 Posts	So...respectfully, what exactly is your problem with pontoon boats? You keep using the word “barge” to describe what a lot of folks think is an enjoyable and fun craft for a lake environment. Certainly, these boats can rival anything on the water in looks, quality, and cost...just curious about your obvious bias against them.

03-30-2018, 11:29 AM	#5
Dave M Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 395 Thanks: 4 Thanked 26 Times in 24 Posts	I have a tree next to shore and I have a spot light on the tree 10-15' up shining directly on my dock stairs. Been like that for 46 years, no complaints, etc. I do live in a cove behind Long Island so there's not that much traffic. It might work anywhere since its not facing out into the water. Dave M

03-30-2018, 03:24 PM	#7
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,730 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,457 Times in 1,014 Posts	Are you sure you can't have lighting on a dock? I thought only colored lights are not allowed?

03-30-2018, 04:21 PM	#8
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,360 Thanks: 1,347 Thanked 1,623 Times in 1,055 Posts	RSA 270-D:7-a Shore Lights. – No person shall display, at any point on the shore visible from the water, any lights that resemble in color or configuration the required navigation lights of any vessel. Source. 2006, 283:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2007.

03-30-2018, 06:04 PM	#10
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,730 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,457 Times in 1,014 Posts	Right, descant, but I think that means any colored lights. ????

03-31-2018, 06:50 AM	#12
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,730 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,457 Times in 1,014 Posts	We don't have lights on our docks now but when we did, people used to tell us they liked them because they used them as a guide.

03-31-2018, 09:34 AM	#14
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,360 Thanks: 1,347 Thanked 1,623 Times in 1,055 Posts	I, too, agree with Broadhopper. Light pollution is a problem. My speculation is that in the suburbs to the south, the police recommend lots of light so prowlers etc can be seen. Magazines and landscapers extol the beauty of landscape lighting. None of them have nighttime boat navigation in mind. I will admit that on a foggy night, navigating between Welch and the mainland in either direction , it was nice to see an identifiable light to confirm compass and clock. Although lots of white lights on your dock will probably not be mistaken for a vessel, they do degrade night vision making it harder to see other boats nav lights.

03-31-2018, 10:07 AM	#15
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,730 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,457 Times in 1,014 Posts	I agree too. The cap lights on the docks are fine but bright lights are awful. I do believe you cannot have a bright light like a spotlight shining even off the lake. If it bothers your neighbors it's not allowed.