Crank up Dock Options

codeman671 · 03-07-2017, 02:56 PM

Why not just do a Permit by Notification and install a single 6x40'? No crazy permitting/wait time required.

http://www.des.nh.gov/organization/d.../project-1.pdf

I could be wrong, but I do not recall a separate permit process being needed to install a base point on shore. Watermark does tons of these yearly.

Descant · 03-07-2017, 03:31 PM

From CaptT820: Do we need a permit for the anchor point, if it is a natural object (boulder) and does not require concrete to be poured or placed?"
Interesting question. I suspect the answer is another question: Is the boulder fully yours, i.e. above the high water mark, or is it partially in the water?

What's the cost analysis?
You have to buy a new dock, and (pay?) to dispose of the old one.
A crank up is considered taxable (probably not much. Does it affect the total value of the property?)
Permit efforts and fees?
Will you have to barge the new dock to your site?

Temporary seasonal dock is usually not taxed and you already own it.

There are lots of folks who will install and remove your dock seasonally. Probably cheaper than you think. Always nice to have an ongoing relationship with somebody to do various projects that require a professional or special equipment/tools. (Insert plug for Island Support Services here. 293-HELP).

Winni_Bay · 03-07-2017, 04:13 PM

sluggo
i would like more info on your used docks
i will send u a pm

sluggo · 03-07-2017, 05:05 PM

Capt. We custom build our docks here in our shop, Center Harbor Dock & Pier ... If you attach a steel header to existing shoreline stone to support the dock no permit is needed for that application. If you pour a cement pad you will need to file a PBN. if you want to remove the existing crib dock even though it is abandoned ( five year rule ) you will need to file PBN . If everything meets wetland rule and this would be the only dock on the property and you have a minimum 75 FT. of frontage a seasonal dock notification is all that's needed for permitting and that does not cost any money. Good thing to remember the only dock you can get a binder attached to you home owners insurance is a crank up dock and they will cover it for wind , tree and in some cases ice damage.

CaptT820 · 03-08-2017, 09:07 AM

I am very aware of the required PBN process to remove the old crib dock. If anyone else runs into this situation and needs to perform this, please let me know as I would be happy to help. Very lengthy and exhaustive process to remove a man-made object and return the shoreline to its original natural condition. This is definitely one of those things that the DES should have an exception to the rule on and streamline the paperwork a lot more.

I am aware that there are people and services to remove the dock in the fall and replace in the spring, I was just looking for a more convienient way for us to do it ourselves since we extend the season to the maximum on an island. Last year our season was April 7 to November 16. We found out that our favorite months at the island were April and late October due to the absolute calm and complete lack of neighbors.

MAXUM · 03-08-2017, 01:56 PM

I have a typical wood dock that has to be assembled/disassembled every year. You can have somebody do it for you... but it ain't cheap. Last quote I got was 1K per season in and out. I decided that for a few hours of my time 2-3 in and about 1-2 hours out and 200.00 worth of wetsuit I'd do it myself.

That said being a rather young buck it's OK for now but eventually I'll replace that with a crankup, I don't think I will be so willing 20 or 30 years from now!

2K for a used crank up is a pretty good deal.

03-07-2017, 03:31 PM	#2
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,598 Thanks: 1,418 Thanked 1,705 Times in 1,109 Posts	Who owns the boulder? From CaptT820: Do we need a permit for the anchor point, if it is a natural object (boulder) and does not require concrete to be poured or placed?" Interesting question. I suspect the answer is another question: Is the boulder fully yours, i.e. above the high water mark, or is it partially in the water? What's the cost analysis? You have to buy a new dock, and (pay?) to dispose of the old one. A crank up is considered taxable (probably not much. Does it affect the total value of the property?) Permit efforts and fees? Will you have to barge the new dock to your site? Temporary seasonal dock is usually not taxed and you already own it. There are lots of folks who will install and remove your dock seasonally. Probably cheaper than you think. Always nice to have an ongoing relationship with somebody to do various projects that require a professional or special equipment/tools. (Insert plug for Island Support Services here. 293-HELP).

03-07-2017, 04:13 PM	#3
Winni_Bay Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 50 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	docks 40ft sluggo i would like more info on your used docks i will send u a pm

03-08-2017, 09:07 AM	#5
CaptT820 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 122 Thanks: 86 Thanked 46 Times in 27 Posts	PBN Process I am very aware of the required PBN process to remove the old crib dock. If anyone else runs into this situation and needs to perform this, please let me know as I would be happy to help. Very lengthy and exhaustive process to remove a man-made object and return the shoreline to its original natural condition. This is definitely one of those things that the DES should have an exception to the rule on and streamline the paperwork a lot more. I am aware that there are people and services to remove the dock in the fall and replace in the spring, I was just looking for a more convienient way for us to do it ourselves since we extend the season to the maximum on an island. Last year our season was April 7 to November 16. We found out that our favorite months at the island were April and late October due to the absolute calm and complete lack of neighbors.

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03-07-2017, 02:56 PM	#1
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,604 Thanks: 223 Thanked 856 Times in 519 Posts	Why not just do a Permit by Notification and install a single 6x40'? No crazy permitting/wait time required. http://www.des.nh.gov/organization/d.../project-1.pdf I could be wrong, but I do not recall a separate permit process being needed to install a base point on shore. Watermark does tons of these yearly.

03-07-2017, 05:05 PM	#4
sluggo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 172 Thanks: 13 Thanked 71 Times in 44 Posts	Capt. We custom build our docks here in our shop, Center Harbor Dock & Pier ... If you attach a steel header to existing shoreline stone to support the dock no permit is needed for that application. If you pour a cement pad you will need to file a PBN. if you want to remove the existing crib dock even though it is abandoned ( five year rule ) you will need to file PBN . If everything meets wetland rule and this would be the only dock on the property and you have a minimum 75 FT. of frontage a seasonal dock notification is all that's needed for permitting and that does not cost any money. Good thing to remember the only dock you can get a binder attached to you home owners insurance is a crank up dock and they will cover it for wind , tree and in some cases ice damage.

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03-08-2017, 01:56 PM	#6
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 244 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	I have a typical wood dock that has to be assembled/disassembled every year. You can have somebody do it for you... but it ain't cheap. Last quote I got was 1K per season in and out. I decided that for a few hours of my time 2-3 in and about 1-2 hours out and 200.00 worth of wetsuit I'd do it myself. That said being a rather young buck it's OK for now but eventually I'll replace that with a crankup, I don't think I will be so willing 20 or 30 years from now! 2K for a used crank up is a pretty good deal.