I Remember When 50 Was "Special"...

[jmen24]

APS, I think that it is great that you are involved in racing. Road circuit racing, whether it be club or SCCA is something that I hope to fullfill in my lifetime. Currently it is not practical.

Enjoy the weather, we have had some great days lately. Almost done with my sailing setup on the canoe, amongst other things in my schedule it hasn't seen the proper time required to wrap it up.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by jmen24

APS, I think that it is great that you are involved in racing. Road circuit racing, whether it be club or SCCA is something that I hope to fullfill in my lifetime. Currently it is not practical.

Enjoy the weather, we have had some great days lately. Almost done with my sailing setup on the canoe, amongst other things in my schedule it hasn't seen the proper time required to wrap it up.

Hi jmen24,

I don’t want to start any trouble with you because I know you get very emotional (or maybe sensitive is a better word) about some issues. That being said I am wondering why I rec’d 4 different edits from your post. How do I know you edited your post 4 times? I know this because I have written a program that works with all forums that when certain forum topics get new posts I receive them in an archive file that I can read whenever I want. In the first post you gave the real name of APS and then the other edited posts kept getting more polite and you also removed his real name until you finally praise APS and even tell him to “Enjoy the weather”.
I’m just curious as to your thought process for starting a post and criticizing APS and then finally being real nice to him. It just seems odd to me.

I hope that you get a chance to sail in your canoe. Have a nice day.

Rusty

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Hi jmen24,

I don’t want to start any trouble with you because I know you get very emotional (or maybe sensitive is a better word) about some issues. That being said I am wondering why I rec’d 4 different edits from your post. How do I know you edited your post 4 times? I know this because I have written a program that works with all forums that when certain forum topics get new posts I receive them in an archive file that I can read whenever I want. In the first post you gave the real name of APS and then the other edited posts kept getting more polite and you also removed his real name until you finally praise APS and even tell him to “Enjoy the weather”.
I’m just curious as to your thought process for starting a post and criticizing APS and then finally being real nice to him. It just seems odd to me.

I hope that you get a chance to sail in your canoe. Have a nice day.

Rusty

Guess I didn't know that I come off as sensitive. Remodeling can be a pretty touchy area and I have been known to get excited about it.

I would need to know which post you are referring to that received the edits. If the last one is in question, would you be so kind as to explain that the first two sentences did not change. I changed my mind about the last statement after I had posted it. I made an off the cuff jab that after some thought I decided was not in good taste. It happens, sometimes I just don't feel like continueing the banter. APS and I have more in common than I think he would ever care to admit. But you and I both know that I did not post his name and the statement required some work to render that conclusion.

Plus, being a complete ass does not come naturally to me and if I feel that I have crossed a line, I step back over.

If it is the post I made the other day that he responded too. Well, he was looking for a link that he was not willing to make. Wanted someone else to do it for him, noone stepped up for him.

By the way, I hope you and The Phantom had a nice vacation away from the forums. Picking up where you left off is a sign of good work ethic.

Thanks for checking in.

[NHBUOY]

"I don't want to start any trouble...".......

[BroadHopper]

Mowtorman! It sounds like a plan! I will bring it up with those involved.

We originally thought of small OB and motors. Keeping it simple. So the kids can enjoy it.

Exhibition race.... I will include you in our plans.

[BroadHopper]

Saturday, July 5, 2003 at 9:57 p.m.

"Early this evening a boat flipped over in Chestnut Cove! It was too dark for my digital photographs to come out but so far what we have heard is that

- it was the boaters first day out with his new boat
- the boat cost was $120K
- there were 6 people on board and no one was injured
- it appears in the water that the hull may be cracked
- supposedly the boat flipped twice
- a woman on land was so agitated that she fell down a flight of stairs and broke her nose - and she is pregnant
- the Marine Patrol came just a bit ago and put a buoy on the wreck

I'll try to get some photographs in the daylight!!!

Let's hear it for boating safety!!!!!! "

I search the forum for this quote and I can't find it. I can't validate that aps made it up.

I ask my buddy on Chestnut Cove if he remember the incident. He only remembered an incident when a young man with a new boat ended up in the rocks. Unexperienced and possible uncertified driver with no knowledge of the area. The boat may have capsized and he can't recall the boat flip. If the guy was speeding he would have cleared the submerged rocks.

I binged and googled for a news article and none appeared.

[mowtorman]

I guess it'll be time to buff up those sutphens, checkmates, sidewinders, tahitis, hydrostreams, hondos, sangers, carlsons, magnums, xk's, allisons and any other boats that were bought local and have been hiding in the barn for a while. Any race boat pics from the "old days" would be appreciated. Anyone remember the name of the ice cream stand on the water that was next to the old Winnisquam Bridge? Quite a happening spot after dinner. It sat on a farm property on Rte. 3 for years down near the Tilton exit before it disappeared.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I searched the forum for this quote and I can't find it. I can't validate that aps made it up.

1) Another invalid premise.

2) At ForumFest VIII, ask Don to search our old forum for July 5, 2003, 9:57 PM—a Saturday.

[webmaster]

Why do I have to search it?

http://www.winnipesaukeeforum.com/ar...mes;read=57562

[jrc]

this has to be one of my favorite non sequitors:

- a woman on land was so agitated that she fell down a flight of stairs and broke her nose - and she is pregnant

[VtSteve]

New boat, new owner, bad ending. I would no more think of buying a performance boat and taking it out and run it through its paces without training than I would hop on a 38' sailboat without some serious refresher course. Maybe that's just me. Kind of like the brand new Cobalt bowrider. Same circumstances, sank to the bottom. I think last year two boats collided, nearly head on. They both turned to port at the last moment. Thankfully, nobody was hurt.

The trouble with one-sided arguments that are agenda-driven, is that they accomplish nothing. There are people that shouldn't be out in any boat, much less a large performance boat. Boneheads seem to be in all kinds of boats, and all brands.

APS, study this. We have rougher water, no speed limits, and I can't remember when a boat flipped here, or sunk. We do have our share of canoes and kayaks that need rescue, as well as fishermen in small boats that need rescue. But if you look at the overall safety record in the two states as a whole, it's remarkably good. Because you're always focused on those people and boats you don't like, nothing you post has much to do with safety. In your small sailboats, your odds of being inconvenienced or worse by a large sailboat are far higher than by a powerboat.

[BroadHopper]

I need to learn how to search the archives. Seems like a few of us needs a lesson.

APS. I have mention earlier a long time owner in Chestnut Cove remember the incident. An unexperienced pilot with little knowledge of the lake. Thanks God no one was killed.

And saying that a speed limit will prevent this. I don't think a speed limit will prevent stupidity. I hear speed mayhem every day on our roads despite speed limits. I seroiusly doubt if there was a speed limit in place it would prevent this.

Just because one person says the boat flipped twice is heresay. We don't even know how fast the boat was going! He may even be traveling 45!

The fact is he was travelling too fast for the conditions and he broke the 150' rule alone makes the boat driver guilty! Another little known state law, driving to endanger, should have been applied, as he had passengers. If that law only pertain to road vehicles, perhap we should change the law to include all watercrafts. You can use a sailboat to endanger passengers as well.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by jrc

this has to be one of my favorite non sequitors:

- a woman on land was so agitated that she fell down a flight of stairs and broke her nose - and she is pregnant

Why is that a non sequitur? If she was "well-along in her pregnancy", she wouldn't be able to see the next step(s) down.

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Just because one person says the boat flipped twice is heresay.

1) That information is archived in the forum—just the first of three consecutive flips in three consecutive years.

2) When you write this:

"I have mentioned earlier a long time owner in Chestnut Cove remembered the incident. An unexperienced pilot with little knowledge of the lake."

"The fact is he was travelling too fast for the conditions and he broke the 150' rule alone makes the boat driver guilty!"

Those two statements are no-less heresay!

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I don't think a speed limit will prevent stupidity. Another little known state law, driving to endanger, should have been applied, as he had passengers. If that law only pertain to road vehicles, perhap we should change the law to include all watercrafts. You can use a sailboat to endanger passengers as well.

He broke many regulations, including Rules 5 and 6. You remember, "Reasonable and Prudent"?

Though it certainly possible, I have no recollection of any sailboat collision—and certainly none at 45-MPH!

If you want a new boating law, how about requiring every PFD sold in New Hampshire to have a label affixed prominently to the back of every PFD in children's sizes.

(The wearing of which is required already).

New Law: 45/30

Keep 150-feet distance from everything!

Originally Posted by VtSteve

APS, study this. We have rougher water, no speed limits, and I can't remember when a boat flipped here, or sunk.

Thanks to this Winnipesaukee forum—new and archived since the year 2000—I can!

[jrc]

Sorry, I thought you knew what non-sequitor meant. Please disregard my last post.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

He broke many regulations, including Rules 5 and 6. You remember, "Reasonable and Prudent"?

If you want a new boating law, how about requiring every PFD sold in New Hampshire to have a label affixed prominently to the back of every PFD in children's sizes.

(The wearing of which is required already).

So if the driver broke many rules, why do we need new ones. I can't find anywhere that driver went to court.

Why don't you get WinFabs to pass you new law? Are they too busy being 'Barbie on a pedestal' to do anything else? You certainly don't want SBONH to claim credit to your new law!

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Why is that a non sequitur? If she was "well-along in her pregnancy", she wouldn't be able to see the next step(s) down.






1) That information is archived in the forum—just the first of three consecutive flips in three consecutive years.

2) When you write this:



Those two statements are no-less heresay!


He broke many regulations, including Rules 5 and 6. You remember, "Reasonable and Prudent"?

Though it certainly possible, I have no recollection of any sailboat collision—and certainly none at 45-MPH!

If you want a new boating law, how about requiring every PFD sold in New Hampshire to have a label affixed prominently to the back of every PFD in children's sizes.

(The wearing of which is required already).

Thanks to this Winnipesaukee forum—new and archived since the year 2000—I can!

Great to know you have all these resources available to you. Unfortunately, just as in the real world, resources does not necessarily equate to beneficial.

Most every accident or problem you point to, someone has broken at least one, and usually, several laws. Your answer is usually, if not just condemning one particular group and ignoring others, to bring up another law. So now, you're making a sarcastic remark about a group proposing "another law"?

Let me ask you this APS. When waking up in the morning, do you place your godly feet upon a pedestal?

One thing that seems to no no bounds is the size of your ego. Even when blathering, your ego seems to be ten times the size of your average septic tank, possibly even including a leech field.

[ApS]

Your answer is usually, if not just condemning one particular group and ignoring others, to bring up another law.

A decal pasted on the back of child-sized PFDs would be a nearly cost-free "law" to alert newbies to New Hampshire's special RSAs. (Especially among those who are renting bow-riders).


Children are required to wear PFDs when aboard—directly exposing those most responsible to regulations protecting our Innocents—who are among the least responsible.

Great to know you have all these resources available to you. Unfortunately, just as in the real world, resources does not necessarily equate to beneficial. Let me ask you this APS. When waking up in the morning, do you place your godly feet upon a pedestal? One thing that seems to no no bounds is the size of your ego. Even when blathering, your ego seems to be ten times the size of your average septic tank, possibly even including a leech field.

1) I don't offer my "out-of-state" opinions on Florida boaters, but I see Florida crabbers regularly tending their traps in the wee-hours with no navigation lights whatsoever.

There's no boat traffic at that hour: lighting is augmented by ambient light, and their night-vision has adequately compensated for the darkness.

Docking-light use is a different matter, but is far-more serious matter at 90-MPH!

2) Because I look directly out on Lake Winnipesaukee—night and day—I see a microcosm of the entire lake, and see a continuous flow of RSAs being violated.

IMO, the most hazardous—to the Innocents among us—are those who tout themselves as the "most competent", and continuously complain about "lesser boaters" than themselves.

3) I don't have a say on Lake Champlain, which appears to have suffered enough from mankind's depredations. Those who love Lake Winnipesaukee need to take a special vigilance to prevent any eroding of lake quality.

4) Entirely, I credit "my ego" to the installation of a Google toolbar.

[mowtorman]

Thanks to an older woman I was given the name of the ice cream place by the old Winnisquam bridge - the "Jumping Jack", and it was truly jumping with boat traffic, especially in the evening. It's fun to acknowledge the history of the sand bar and boat access ice cream places. Nothing is really new, it's all been done before going way back when the native americans had the place all to themselves. An observation after covering most of the lake last Saturday. Near Eagle Island, the channel, the Wolfeboro docks, boaters were violating the headway speed rule all over the place, in several instances with the marine patrol within a quarter mile in plain sight. I guess with such high volume you have to be selective about who you ticket. To the guy in the green Cobalt, yes your boat was bigger, newer, and nicer than mine, but you didn't need to race by about 30 feet to my right to beat me to Black Cat bridge. It's not a drawbridge though maybe your wife and kid were impressed. One other thought - how about enforcing the speed limit from June 1 to Sept. 15? That pretty much clears out the summer crowd. Happy motoring!