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[ApS]

Originally Posted by chipj29

2. SBONH does NOT equal NHRBA. Sure some SBONH members might have been members of NHRBA. But it is a completely different leadership group from what I understand.

1) Well, that is very interesting: it's previously been posted that only one SBONH member has been shared with Erica's-own NHRBA.

Fosters.com writes this excerpt:

Ric Perreault- VP of the NHRBA and Dick Hickok ([NHRBA] Board of Directors).

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll...69/0/citnews02

Are those two among the missing?

2) In addition, below are items on NHRBA's own mission-statement from the website GraniteGrok.

3) In your consideration of the Erica's hugely-discredited NHRBA, how do these "talking points" differ from those of the brand-new SBONH?

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NHRBA:


1) Issues of current laws not being followed or enforced (headway speeds, 150 foot passage rule),

2) lack of statistics showing [speed] is a problem,

3) personal responsibility vs insistence on personal rights (kayaking in the middle of the Broads).

4) The role of mandatory boating education classes and certifications.

5) Freedom vs encroaching Nanny Statism.

6) Cost of enforcement.

7) Different boats are built for different speeds.

8) Class envy.

9) Would removal of performance boats cut down the chop experienced by small craft?

10) Noise problems

11) Accidents in the state wholly due to speed in the State (not alcohol related)? Zero.

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Other than jabbing sticks into quiet areas of New Hampshire law, I fail to see how SBONH has accomplished any mission separation from Erica's hugely-discredited NHRBA.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

1) Well, that is very interesting: it's previously been posted that only one SBONH member has been shared with Erica's-own NHRBA.

Fosters.com writes this excerpt:
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll...69/0/citnews02

Are those two among the missing?

2) In addition, below are items on NHRBA's own mission-statement from the website GraniteGrok.

3) In your consideration of the Erica's hugely-discredited NHRBA, how do these "talking points" differ from those of the brand-new SBONH?

______________________________
______________________________

NHRBA:


1) Issues of current laws not being followed or enforced (headway speeds, 150 foot passage rule),

2) lack of statistics showing [speed] is a problem,

3) personal responsibility vs insistence on personal rights (kayaking in the middle of the Broads).

4) The role of mandatory boating education classes and certifications.

5) Freedom vs encroaching Nanny Statism.

6) Cost of enforcement.

7) Different boats are built for different speeds.

8) Class envy.

9) Would removal of performance boats cut down the chop experienced by small craft?

10) Noise problems

11) Accidents in the state wholly due to speed in the State (not alcohol related)? Zero.

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Other than jabbing sticks into quiet areas of New Hampshire law, I fail to see how SBONH has accomplished any mission separation from Erica's hugely-discredited NHRBA.

I honestly do not know the exact number of NHRBA members who are now members of SBONH. I would suggest you refer to SBONH for those numbers, if that info is availabile.

However, my main point was that SBONH gas NOTHING to do with NHRBA. And I stand behind that point.

[lawn psycho]

APS, you can repeat the same stuff over and over again in an effort to discredit people. However, even the Blizzard case which you want to highlight had nothing to do with 45/25.

As a speed limit advocate, I'd like to see you provide factual evidence that the law has any impact on safety. I'd like to see you admit that the request for a NWZ in the Barber's Pole area even after the SL passed, casts a shadow on the law's effectiveness.

If you can show me true data that supports the speed limit I would support it. If it's about specific people that you want to be the focus then you've lost objectivity.

Meanwhile you can beat the dead horse that is the Blizzard story. That's not what will play out in Concord.

Think big picture. There are many lakes in this country where there is no safe passage rule, no rafting restrictions, no speed limit, and yet there is no pandomonium and weekly loss of life.

[VtSteve]

And there are many states that have had a speed limit in place for many, many years, that continue to suffer fatalities and accidents.

Some of us move forward and do what we can to enjoy boating, and enjoy it safely. Others will stand on their soapbox until there's nobody left to preach to.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

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Other than jabbing sticks into quiet areas of New Hampshire law, I fail to see how SBONH has accomplished any mission separation from Erica's hugely-discredited NHRBA.

So as one of the founding members of SBONH, and as in fact one of the two people that meet, to start laying the foundation for the group that would become SBONH, let me say this.... NHBRA or its officers have had nothing to do with SBONH, its development, and its stance on issues....

Now as for the talking points you also listed... Sure like NHBRA, SBONH is against the speed limit... the fact that the reasoning, and argument points are the same, is a sign, that both groups understand the issues, and facts that surround the debate.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by lawn psycho

However, even the Blizzard case which you want to highlight had nothing to do with 45/25.

When driving on New Hampshire's roads, I don't achieve the marked speed limit in darkness, rain, drizzle, snow, sleet, hail or fog.

Had there been a speed limit, could this aspect of safety have reduced injury, pain, property damage, and averted an unnecessary fatality?

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

So as one of the founding members of SBONH, and as in fact one of the two people that meet, to start laying the foundation for the group that would become SBONH, let me say this.... NHBRA or its officers have had nothing to do with SBONH, its development, and its stance on issues....

Your "insider knowledge" of these issues begs two questions,

1)

"Did you have any part in the NHRBA?"

2)

"Were your two references to NHBRA intentional?"

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Now as for the talking points you also listed... Sure like NHBRA, SBONH is against the speed limit... the fact that the reasoning, and argument points are the same, is a sign, that both groups understand the issues, and facts that surround the debate.

Then you'd accept former NHRBA members or a former boat club President into your organization?

Is there a club requirement that those former members/Presidents must declare they had no connection to NHBRA?