Speed Traps

[Tired of Waiting]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

lately and I'm beginning to wonder if the troopers can pull you over because of the 'move over' law passed last year.

If they don't have their flashers on then they are not an emergency vehicle. No move over required. So if they have a speed trap and are not running their flasher bar then you don't have to move over any more than any other car that is in the break down lane. You only need to exercise the normal caution you always do.

ToW

[hancoveguy]

Originally Posted by Tired of Waiting

If they don't have their flashers on then they are not an emergency vehicle. No move over required. So if they have a speed trap and are not running their flasher bar then you don't have to move over any more than any other car that is in the break down lane. You only need to exercise the normal caution you always do.

ToW

You are correct Sir. However, as a former tractor trailer driver and current police officer, it is absolutely the smart thing to "move over" anyway. If the vehicle in the breakdown lane pulls out, opens its door etc you will be technically not in violation of any law but definitely worse off than just a ticket. If you ever watch tractor trailers (professional drivers) when there is a vehicle (any vehicle) in the BDL they instinctively move over to a safe lane. Is it required? NO. Is it the smartest, most courteous thing to do? YES.

Just my .02 cents
HCG


BTW- the move over law extends beyond emergency vehicles. It includes anything with amber strobes as well i.e., construction, tow and maintenance vehicles.

[Lakepilot]

Originally Posted by hancoveguy

You are correct Sir. However, as a former tractor trailer driver and current police officer, it is absolutely the smart thing to "move over" anyway. If the vehicle in the breakdown lane pulls out, opens its door etc you will be technically not in violation of any law but definitely worse off than just a ticket. If you ever watch tractor trailers (professional drivers) when there is a vehicle (any vehicle) in the BDL they instinctively move over to a safe lane. Is it required? NO. Is it the smartest, most courteous thing to do? YES.

Just my .02 cents
HCG


BTW- the move over law extends beyond emergency vehicles. It includes anything with amber strobes as well i.e., construction, tow and maintenance vehicles.

I agree. I always move over if possible, whether they have flashers on or not. It's just smart.

[pcmc]

Originally Posted by Lakepilot

I agree. I always move over if possible, whether they have flashers on or not. It's just smart.

Getting back to the move over issue, if you've ever had to pull to the side of the highway for any reason, you know its dangerous. (flat tire, check a trailer, pee stop, ect...) The gust of wind as a car or truck goes by is intense, it shakes the whole car.

My .02 move over if you can.

[Tired of Waiting]

Originally Posted by hancoveguy

You are correct Sir. However, as a former tractor trailer driver and current police officer, it is absolutely the smart thing to "move over" anyway. If the vehicle in the breakdown lane pulls out, opens its door etc you will be technically not in violation of any law but definitely worse off than just a ticket. If you ever watch tractor trailers (professional drivers) when there is a vehicle (any vehicle) in the BDL they instinctively move over to a safe lane. Is it required? NO. Is it the smartest, most courteous thing to do? YES.

Just my .02 cents
HCG


BTW- the move over law extends beyond emergency vehicles. It includes anything with amber strobes as well i.e., construction, tow and maintenance vehicles.

You're right. That is why I ended my post with "You only need to exercise the normal caution you always do." That was in reference to a car in the BDL. You should always use caution around them and move over if you can. But there is no law that states you have to. That was my point.

Good add with your BTW. Yes any veichle with amber or blue flashers must be moved over for.

[trfour]

More on speed traps. http://editorial.autos.msn.com/artic..._073&GT1=22013




Terry
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[SAMIAM]

I noticed in the police report in the Meredith News a while back that the Meredith PD had 33 traffic stops for the week but only two tickets. All the rest were warnings. An expesive ticket can mean a bill doesn't get paid that week for lots of folks and I congratulate the chief for giving people a break for minor infractions....especially in this economy. I'm sure the two that got written up deserved it.

[Sunrise Point]

My husband received a warning from a very young, courteous and very professional Meredith police officer several years ago for traveling too fast on Waukewan Street in Meredith. He now observes the speed limit without fail.

BTW, this was not a "speed trap", but my husband and the officer were traveling in opposite directions. The officer did a quick calculation and came up with a pretty accurate estimate of my husband's speed.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Sunrise Point

BTW, this was not a "speed trap", but my husband and the officer were traveling in opposite directions. The officer did a quick calculation and came up with a pretty accurate estimate of my husband's speed.

It was no doubt what is termed "forward facing radar" ...... I am no familiar with the details of the Merideth cruisers but in many of our local towns the officer driving in a cruiser has both forward and rear facing radar units built into the vehicles front annd rear dashboards. A simple flick of the switch changes from front to rear collection.

This is no doubt what your husband encountered.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by Phantom

It was no doubt what is termed "forward facing radar" ...... I am no familiar with the details of the Merideth cruisers but in many of our local towns the officer driving in a cruiser has both forward and rear facing radar units built into the vehicles front annd rear dashboards. A simple flick of the switch changes from front to rear collection.

This is no doubt what your husband encountered.

And the equipment does the calculation based on the cruisers speed against the zapped vehicle. The readout on the ones I have seen actually show the cruisers travel speed right next to the offenders speed. Its all tied together.

[hancoveguy]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

I noticed in the police report in the Meredith News a while back that the Meredith PD had 33 traffic stops for the week but only two tickets. All the rest were warnings. An expesive ticket can mean a bill doesn't get paid that week for lots of folks and I congratulate the chief for giving people a break for minor infractions....especially in this economy. I'm sure the two that got written up deserved it.

I agree with 90% of this post with one exception. It is not the chief or any chief that determines who gets warnings or money fines etc, it is the officer on the stop. Because quotas are illegal and to my knowledge not used in any dept I know of, the officer on the stop has the sole discretion as to what the outcome of the stop will be. Many dept's have policies about "preferred responses" but they are not binding nor enforceable. Again I agree with most of this post, a warning, be it written or verbal, serves the purpose in 99% of all stops. A money fine is reserved for serious issues and repeat offenders that don't get the message. As a police officer, I refuse to be an agent for the insurance company (because as we know the insurance company is the only one that wins when someone gets a large ticket).

A senior officer once rationalized it like this-
When you pull someone over, regardless of the outcome, ticket, warning etc, it is a huge issue for them. It is more than likely all they talk about all day long. They tell all their friends and family about how they got stopped today. This tells me that the incident left a meaningful impact on them and, chances are, they will remember it AND THE REASON for the stop in the first place ie, speeding etc, for some time. You have now done your job and served your purpose as a police officer. However, as a police officer that makes literally 20-50 "routine stops" per week they all run together and we forget what a large impact the stop has on a normal person. In other words, you don't need to ruin someones day with a money fine to do your job...


Again, just my .02 cents
HCG

[tis]

You are my kind of cop, hangcoveguy! We need more like you!

Last year we were going through Emporia, VA. and got stopped for doing 76 in a 65. We actually thought it was 70 in that area, but it wasn't. Anyway, he gave us a ticket which was $55. but administratives fees were 61$ so the ticket was $116.

We were surprised as we didn't think it was that unreasonable for the highway and it was a straight stretch, but we WERE speeding. (I wasn't driving but it was the first ticket for my better half in probably twenty years.)

After the cop thanks us for being so nice. I was very surprised at that.

[hilltopper]

I received a ticket two years ago coming into the Concord tolls. A $200 ticket. How many people do you see slow down to 35 MPH a good quarter mile before the tolls as the speed limit signs instruct you to? I told the officer I'd get run over if I did the speed limit but he didn't seem to care. Been driving for 19 years and this was my 2nd ticket. I'm still shaking my head about that one.

[trfour]

When approaching toll booths, there's not much room for error.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...idents&spell=1



Terry
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[The Real BigGuy]

In the late 70's I lived in Belgium for a while. I was driving down one of their country roads - the ones that have 20 foot tall hedge rows on either side - and about 50 yards ahead a person wearing a shoulder to foot bright orange coat steps into the roadway and points to the side of the road with his right hand. His left hand was securely attahced to the pistol grip of a submachine gun strapped across his chest. He was a member of the Federal Police and wasn't stopping me for speeding - he wanted to check my "papers."

A LEO stepping out and waving me over for speeding is so much less exciting.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by hilltopper

I received a ticket two years ago coming into the Concord tolls. A $200 ticket. How many people do you see slow down to 35 MPH a good quarter mile before the tolls as the speed limit signs instruct you to? I told the officer I'd get run over if I did the speed limit but he didn't seem to care. Been driving for 19 years and this was my 2nd ticket. I'm still shaking my head about that one.

They were strictly enforcing that 35 MPH speed limit through the tolls for a while, although I think they have lightened up a bit. There is a cruiser there very often, but I don't see many cars getting busted.

[hilltopper]

Originally Posted by chipj29

They were strictly enforcing that 35 MPH speed limit through the tolls for a while, although I think they have lightened up a bit. There is a cruiser there very often, but I don't see many cars getting busted.

It's a bit ridiculous. It's my understanding that a lot of states that have EZ Pass have it designed so you can pass through "at speed" or at a bit of a reduced speed. Here in good 'ol NH we have a 35MPH spedd limit with NH's finest hiding at the tolls with radar guns. Not to mention the money the state spends on the warning letters that go out if you pass through the tolls at 32 MPH.

[LakeSnake]

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[jmen24]

"at speed" let me be the first to say that this will be the stupidest idea. Now this does not apply to everyone, so if you do not think it applies to you, there is no real need to bark at me. But, if you sit in a parking lot on a Saturday and just watch people drive around and park, you will notice that quite a few folks have no idea where the passenger side of their car is. They park directly next to another car on the drivers side with 3 feet on the passenger side. This is just one place to notice this activity, you can see folks constantly hugging the drivers side on their vehicle against something when they still have a car width on the passenger side.

And now they are going to let people pass through very unforgiving concrete toll booths AT SPEED (I am sure they are wider than a typical travel lane, but still). This does not even bring into account the folks that will not pass through at speed, that will slow to 20 or 30 mph and get run up on by Joe Salesman yapping on the cell and jotting down notes. Cause this will be great, now you have no need to even turn the cruise control off.

Just seems like an idea that will come back to bite someone. Maybe it is happening in other states without issue, if that is the case, I will stand corrected.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by jmen24

"at speed" let me be the first to say that this will be the stupidest idea. Now this does not apply to everyone, so if you do not think it applies to you, there is no real need to bark at me. But, if you sit in a parking lot on a Saturday and just watch people drive around and park, you will notice that quite a few folks have no idea where the passenger side of their car is. They park directly next to another car on the drivers side with 3 feet on the passenger side. This is just one place to notice this activity, you can see folks constantly hugging the drivers side on their vehicle against something when they still have a car width on the passenger side.

And now they are going to let people pass through very unforgiving concrete toll booths AT SPEED (I am sure they are wider than a typical travel lane, but still). This does not even bring into account the folks that will not pass through at speed, that will slow to 20 or 30 mph and get run up on by Joe Salesman yapping on the cell and jotting down notes. Cause this will be great, now you have no need to even turn the cruise control off.

Just seems like an idea that will come back to bite someone. Maybe it is happening in other states without issue, if that is the case, I will stand corrected.

At the "highway speed" toll booths in NJ, the ones that you can cruise through are super wide. They are on the far left of the toll plaza, and are easily 2-3 car widths.

[SIKSUKR]

The 35 mph at the Hooksett tolls is not the pass through speed, its the speed leading up to the tollbooth. The pass through speed is only 10 mph.

[Rattlesnake Guy]

I will bet you $0.75 the guy who can't figure out what lane to be in will drive across the high speed lane in confusion.

[pcmc]

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

I will bet you $0.75 the guy who can't figure out what lane to be in will drive across the high speed lane in confusion.

Moderator remove this if it is inappropriate.

hancoveguy, Have you ever heard of anything like this before, maybe pass it around the dept. if you think its a possibility.

I don't want to start any bad ideas, but I must say TWICE this year going through the EZ Pass lane I've come close to rear ending 1-bike and 1-car.

What happened the first time was heading home on a Sunday night going through the toll on 93, heading south, following two bikes. Traffic is slowing for the toll (no delays) and the first bike holds up a EZ Pass and goes through, as the second bike enters the toll area he slows to the point he is trying to balance, I hit the brakes to avoid hitting him, and he keeps looking at the camera equiptment, I'm guessing. It must have took a pic of the side of his bike and then he took off to catch the other bike. Or, he wanted the EZ Pass equiptment to pick up mine and he would get the free toll. ( I'll have to recheck my statement, as I don't recall if the light was green as he sped away)
The second time, as I was approching the toll a car darted out of the pay toll line right in front of me and creeped almost stopping, again like the bike. I got the impression he was trying to get me to tail gate him as we went through the toll. No one was behind me, this was later at night, so I stopped about 10 feet before the toll, he stopped less then 1/2 way into the booth and must have been waiting for me get closer to him but I didn't. Then when he went through the booth he did start to pull over to the side, but I didn't see where he went.

Maybe he was confused....I feel its the latest scam to get the car behind you to be charged the toll. Regardless, BE CAREFUL, people think nothing of just darting out, doing something stupid!!!!!!!!!

[jacka82942]

north alton on rte 11 where long open stretch ends and limit drops from 55 to 40.cop sits right at 40 marker when you come down the hill with his radar.not much time to see sign and slow down before gotcha.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

The 35 mph at the Hooksett tolls is not the pass through speed, its the speed leading up to the tollbooth. The pass through speed is only 10 mph.

Some of the lanes are marked 10 MPH with signage, others aren't. So can one do 35 MPH through those left unsigned ?

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

Some of the lanes are marked 10 MPH with signage, others aren't. So can one do 35 MPH through those left unsigned ?

Currently, the speed limit through the tolls is 35 MPH. A lower speed limit is being considered. The yellow 10 MPH signs that you see at the tolls are not the speed limit.

CONCORD, N.H.—New Hampshire's House is setting a 25 mph speed limit on E-ZPass lanes.

The House voted Wednesday to lower the limit from 35 mph for vehicles that use E-ZPass transponders to electronically pay tolls. The bill allows higher speeds in open toll lanes which are being build on Interstate 95.

The Senate next considers the bill.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new...h_speed_limit/

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by chipj29

Currently, the speed limit through the tolls is 35 MPH. A lower speed limit is being considered. The yellow 10 MPH signs that you see at the tolls are not the speed limit.

Ok Chip now I'm confused.The sign that says 10 mph is not the speed limit?Then what is the sign for?

[Shore Driver]

Originally Posted by chipj29

At the "highway speed" toll booths in NJ, the ones that you can cruise through are super wide. They are on the far left of the toll plaza, and are easily 2-3 car widths.

Those tollbooths on the GSP are the benchmark for which all tollbooths should be measured, IMO. EZPass never makes me feel smarter than when I fly through those at full speed.

[RI Swamp Yankee]

Originally Posted by hilltopper

... How many people do you see slow down to 35 MPH a good quarter mile before the tolls as the speed limit signs instruct you to? ....

Me for one. I often chuckle watching those that have to get there first as they slam on the brakes just before the booth .... or the car they couldn't cut off. Much easier on the brakes to just ease up ahead of time and roll gently through the ezpass lane.

[ishoot308]

Just an fyi... I got a letter from the state a while back because I had exceeded the 35 MPH speed limit in the EZ Pass lane. The letter stated I did this more than once and that I could be fined if I continued to do it. So they do keep track of how fast you go through the EZ pass lane.

Dan

[hilltopper]

Originally Posted by RI Swamp Yankee

Me for one. I often chuckle watching those that have to get there first as they slam on the brakes just before the booth .... or the car they couldn't cut off. Much easier on the brakes to just ease up ahead of time and roll gently through the ezpass lane.

I find it safest to travel with the general flow of traffic. Good luck not getting run over (or causing an accident as people try to get around your moving roadblcok).

[Begonezvous]

I was travelling south on the Spaulding Turnpike (Rt 16). Just as the road forks either left ( Rt 95 points in Maine) or right (Rt 95 points south) I see a NH State Trooper standing in the middle of the fork pointing his radar gun at oncoming traffic. He was standing in front of his motorcycle and no lights were flashing. The officer and his bike were not very large targets so they were hard to see.
All it would take is one inattentive driver to head to the center of the fork. The officer would not have time to move out of the way. This area is confusing and I've seen many drivers swerve left or right as they realize which fork they need to take. Not a lot of thought went into the placement of this speed trap.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Begonezvous

I was travelling south on the Spaulding Turnpike (Rt 16). Just as the road forks either left ( Rt 95 points in Maine) or right (Rt 95 points south) I see a NH State Trooper standing in the middle of the fork pointing his radar gun at oncoming traffic. He was standing in front of his motorcycle and no lights were flashing. The officer and his bike were not very large targets so they were hard to see.
All it would take is one inattentive driver to head to the center of the fork. The officer would not have time to move out of the way. This area is confusing and I've seen many drivers swerve left or right as they realize which fork they need to take. Not a lot of thought went into the placement of this speed trap.

I have seen the exact same thing at the I-93 south/Rt 101 east split in Manchester. I used to see them there rather often, but it has been a while since the last time I saw them. Same thing though, very difficult to see.

[RI Swamp Yankee]

Originally Posted by hilltopper

I find it safest to travel with the general flow of traffic. Good luck not getting run over (or causing an accident as people try to get around your moving roadblcok).

No, NOT a moving roadblock. I DO slow down, go with the flow and follow the speed limits, rather than try to race others to the "finish line" and see how many cars I can cut off.

[hilltopper]

Originally Posted by RI Swamp Yankee

No, NOT a moving roadblock. I DO slow down, go with the flow and follow the speed limits, rather than try to race others to the "finish line" and see how many cars I can cut off.

Look, my point is that if you are truly doing 35 MPH when you hit the 35 MPH speed limit sign, you are definitely not moving with the flow of traffic.

I'm not the one weaving around cars. The day I got stopped there was no traffic and I got clocked at 65 MPH. I told the Statie that I'd get run over if I did 35. He agreed and said he wouldn't have stopped me if I wasn't exceeding 60 MPH.

[Belmont Resident]

I drive thru the tolls on my way to northern Maine all year. Their posted speed thru the tolls is 10mph. When I approach the tolls I look for cops, I watch the traffic in front of me for brake lights which can indicate police presence and adjust my speed accordingly. If I'm alone I automatically slow down to at least 45 by the sign.
INHO if you were doing 65 then you probably deserved to be caught because they almost never sit at the sign. They usually give you time to slow down even though you are suppose to be at 35 when you pass the sign. Which I almost am never doing and I do not believe I’ve ever seen anyone actually doing 35 at the sign.
I try to drive no more than 5 over around town and unless in traffic or passing, no more than 10 over on the highway. If I see a cop I never flash to let people know because if they are going that much over then they deserve to get caught.
I learned that the difference between 65 and 75 on the highway translates to 3-4 mpg in fuel loss and will add up to just a few minutes earlier that I might get from point A to point B even on a 4.5 hour drive.

[SIKSUKR]

I don't understand what you do not understand.

[SteveA]

I have heard that NH is going to install this new speed enforcement plan into practice.

This should slow folks down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2xnWYx8YK8

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by SteveA

I have heard that NH is going to install this new speed enforcement plan into practice.

This should slow folks down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2xnWYx8YK8

That was funny. I've heard talk that those speed monitoring signs that tell you how fast you are going will some day lead to automatic tickets.
I suppose it makes sense. If the thing is using a radar gun and clocks you at say 40 in a 30 all they would have to have is video of the license plate to make it work.
Aren’t they are already doing it at toll booths?

[SIKSUKR]

They have been doing it in Canada for quite some time.On one of my heliskiing trips to British Columbia we rented a car and drove to the middle of BC.A few weeks later the guy that had his name on the rental recieved at speeding ticket.He wasn't even driving.

I have one of those mobile units on a street near me.For some reason I drive real fast up to it to see how high I can get it.Seems to work backwards in my case.