What Speed Limit ????????

[winni83]

I have been lurking for a while reading with some interest various posts. Most of them, while entertaining (e. g. the “restaurant wars”), have little impact on me personally. However, the current debate (that term is a generous description of the exchange of facts, views and opinions in this area) over speed limits prompts me to join and make at least one post.

I am not a “go fast boat” owner and do not intend to be, but I am adamantly in favor of having the current speed limit law cease to exist as of January 1, 2011, pursuant to its terms as enacted by our legislature and signed by our governor.

I have owned lakefront property on Winnipesaukee since 1983. I have 2 boats with engines, one of which is technically capable of exceeding 45 mph on a calm day with a clean hull and light load, three kayaks, one canoe and one rowboat, so that about covers the gamut of watercraft, other than personal water craft.

In all my 25 plus years of boating, swimming or otherwise being in or on the Lake, the only instances in which I have felt threatened by another boat occurred as a direct result of the other boat operator’s violation of the 150 foot rule or other basic navigation and right of way rules and these, quite frankly, often involved personal water craft. In no case was speed in excess of 45 mph involved and for that matter if the speed had been within that required for compliance under the 150 foot rule, then no such speed problem would have existed.

Simply put, the current speed limit law is a solution in search of a problem. Whether there are ulterior motives involved by proponents of the speed limit is a good question. Certain posts have implied that if “go fast boats” don’t like the law, they should leave (e. g. “I can understand why some people love the speed and sound of these powerful speed boats, but they have a time and place for them and Lake Winni is not one of them.”).

I am not naïve enough to believe that it is only the “supporters” who have an agenda. However, from the side of certain of the “supporters”, the diatribes, misinformation, misleading and inaccurate conclusions and the elevation of an alleged subjective feeling that the Lake is somehow “better”, “nicer”, “safer” or “calmer” to a positive, provable and demonstrable fact is most disturbing and often sinks to the level of pedantic drivel in my opinion.

When and if the legislature considers a proposal to introduce a new bill imposing speed limits on the Lake I certainly expect the House and Senate to consider only positive, provable and demonstrable facts relevant to Lake Winnipesaukee in the analysis. Based on my experience and knowledge, such facts do not exist except in the minds of certain people.

[hazelnut]

I promised myself I would stop responding to the elchase because he is clearly and idiot and his mother did not show him any attention as a child.

#1 I am a male as has been pointed out several times. So now what you are doing is simple name calling so I will do the same to you Mr. Village Idiot.

#2 Being the fool you are you continue to misuse punctuation with regard to quotations and continue to tell me that I am wrong.

Silly boy why don't you show everyone your resource. I believe it was Answerbucket or some ridiculous website like that?

As I said before sir "You are an idiot." Note the period appears inside the quote.

Here is a link from Purdue. Yes Purdue not some fly by night stupid resource you are accustomed to citing.
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/

You look more and more foolish with every post. We are enjoying watching you embarrass yourself. I really wonder if I would actually show my face in public if I were you as you might get laughed at.

Sorry if I offended you with this post but turnabout is fair play as you continue to call me names, like a child. So I am stooping to your level.


Sunset, read el's previous post as reason why he "reaps what he sows." Again note the proper placement of the punctuation.

P.S. When you respond with the "I didn't know you were not a girl or I forgot." remember how much of an idiot you will look like. Everyone on here knew that I was male and you had been told several times. So if you want to confirm what we already knew about you please respond in kind.

[DEJ]

I agree NoBozo, time to shut this nonsense down. There are other websites where this issue is being discussed in a civil manner.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by DEJ

I agree NoBozo, time to shut this nonsense down. There are other websites where this issue is being discussed in a civil manner.

I'm done reading idiotic posts that is for sure. Although it can be entertaining there has been no new insight lately. Just name calling from one person. Sorry to have offended any other readers I thought we were making progress. I had come to enjoy Sunset and Yosemite Sam. Unfortunately elchase has ruined it for everyone else. I swear if he was banned this place would be beyond civil. I really do enjoy debating this issue with most of the SL supporters, save for one.

[Gavia immer]

There were NO concurring results from unmarked MP boats. The Marine Patrol claim that they did use unmarked boats in the speed test, however they failed to record which tests were done with marked boats and which were done with unmarked boats. So a piece of information that would go a long way to validating the data was never recorded.

Just one more indication that nobody ever took the study seriously. The study, none the less, did what it was intended to do. It delayed the SL by one year.

NObody took the study seriously?

That's a serious charge to say that the MPs intended to delay the SL for one year.

If the night limit had been in force last June, a young lady would still be alive. That is, had Erika been impressed with the seriousness of her driving record receiving a violation against it.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

I'm done reading idiotic posts that is for sure. Although it can be entertaining there has been no new insight lately. Just name calling from one person. Sorry to have offended any other readers I thought we were making progress. I had come to enjoy Sunset and Yosemite Sam. Unfortunately elchase has ruined it for everyone else. I swear if he was banned this place would be beyond civil. I really do enjoy debating this issue with most of the SL supporters, save for one.

It sure can get intertaining at times and I guess kinda aggravating also. I am also sorry if I offended anyone, it wasn't my intention to do that.

As NoBoza said: "The situation is no more resolved now than it was at post number two. SO: Why does this continue?"

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

It sure can get intertaining at times and I guess kinda aggravating also. I am also sorry if I offended anyone, it wasn't my intention to do that.

whether or not that apology included me, I also want to say that I also did not mean to offend anyone directly, that does include you Yosemite...

I think with the new session coming up things are bound to get even more heated and it is posts like this that help to keep things civil and how things actually can get done.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

It sure can get intertaining at times and I guess kinda aggravating also. I am also sorry if I offended anyone, it wasn't my intention to do that.

As NoBoza said: "The situation is no more resolved now than it was at post number two. SO: Why does this continue?"

Honestly Sam I mean it. You are one of the many members that contribute to other threads on the site www.winnipesaukee.com I have read your posts and even collaborated with you on the site support forum when we were showing others the screencast/jing tool. You and many others on this website come here to talk all things Winnipesaukee. Unfortunately one person and only one person comes to this thread "Speed Limits" ONLY and tosses bombs and calls names and then accuses everyone ELSE of doing it first. He is a useless member of the winni.com community. He offers no other insight on any other thread all he does is come here and cause problems. I know we all look at our posts through rose colored glasses and we tend to lash out at posts that don't fit our own views but this person goes WAY WAY over the line with every post. It seems he is not happy unless he is creating controversy and bickering.

Sam thanks for the apology and I mean what I say about all of the SL supporters except one. We all would most likely enjoy each others company and we all know and appreciate how lucky we are to have access to this great resource, the lake and the website.