Proposal to Develop Bay View Pavillion

mcdude · 11-28-2005, 09:59 AM

From the Laconia Citizen - November 26, 2005

"ALTON — Since 1928, the Bay View Pavilion has been a two-story movie theater with an orchestra pit, boat storage, restaurant, and roller-skating rink. Now a long time resident is hoping to convert it into a seven unit condominium complex with two small retail stores......"

See complete article here....(PS - I did not have to register to view the article)

http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll...-1/citizen0107

RumGuy · 11-30-2005, 05:37 PM

Some of my first dates were skating at the pavillion. There's a lot of fond memories there. The Oak Birch Inn was another great place.

Paugus Bay Resident · 11-30-2005, 10:11 PM

I too remember roller skating there in the 60s and watching the water ski show on the bay. Our parents would always go over to Dello's lodge while we hung out.

mcdude · 12-01-2005, 07:15 AM

Recognize this place? Built originally in the 1800's to accommodate people coming by rail and called the Winnipesogee House. Then the Winnipesaukee House and apparently at some point the Dell-O-Lodge with a swimming pool! I have been going to the lake for many years and always knew it as the Alton Bay Inn. Card reads, "Owner-management: Mr. and Mrs. Ralph J. Dello Iacono. Tel. Alton, N.H. TRiangle 5-7700. 'Everything for your vacation pleasure' Entertainment nightly, Movies, dancing with orchestra in recreation hall. Cabana and swimming pool. Good food, comfortable rooms, cocktail lounge. Ideally situated for all nearby sports and other activities. Gay atmosphere - informal and congenial. Only a 2 hour ride from Boston via Rt. #1 to Portsmouth, NH on to Spaulding Turnpike to Rochester, onto Rt. #11 to Alton Bay. Also trains from North Station and busses from Park Square, Boston. Rates Resonable.

Dave R · 12-01-2005, 09:50 AM

I used to rollerskate there in the mid 1970s. Girls were "icky" then, so no dates.

Paugus Bay Resident · 12-01-2005, 09:52 PM

McDude,

Thanks for the postcards of Dello's. I'm going to print them off and show them to my 87 year old Mom. I'm sure it will bring back a lot of memories.

Just Sold · 12-01-2005, 10:41 PM

My first and only time roller skating was at the Pavillion in the 60's. Went with the family from Peggy's Cove. We went in the blue 54 Chevy wagon that they only used during the summer at their cottage. LC's mom drove. I enjoyed ice skating more than rollers on the wood floor.

I also remember the Dello Lodge. We never went there as it was quite the jumpin place

way back then and my dad, was as you would say, a little too old fashioned

for the place.

Thanks McD for the posts.

gtxrider · 12-02-2005, 01:01 PM

I only skated there once and seem to remember the floor sloping towards the back (bay side) of he building.

My dad, brother, nephew and I were in the building this summer for a tool sale and it seems much smaller inside.

Is my memory right?

John A. Birdsall · 12-02-2005, 02:01 PM

Roller Skating at the Pavilion was done at least once a month maybe a couple times more every summer. I have even taken my children their. Smaller, I don't think so, although it did not take me so much room to go around it.

GTO · 12-02-2005, 03:45 PM

I had heard that Mr Bahre was going to buy it and store his cars and dolls there.....maybe that was just a rumor.

upthesaukee · 12-02-2005, 05:00 PM

GTXRider--- The interior has been remodelled, cutting in the the size of the floor space...kitchen..stage area..it's not as wide open as it was when it was the roller rink. At least by my recollection.

mcdude · 12-02-2005, 06:47 PM

"In October, the Alton Zoning Board of Adjustment granted three variances to Winnipesaukee Pavilion, which included relief from the minimum lot requirement, minimum parking requirements and multi-family unit restrictions."

Regarding the Bahre Resort Museum/Garage/Dollhouse/with living quarters for the guard/caretaker/tour director.....

"Charles Shield told the Zoning Board of Adjustment — which is rehearing the case based on an appeal from the Board of Selectmen — that the town is lucky to have someone to that is able to put the money into the upkeep of old cars."

The Alton ZBA hasn't seen this much action in years!

I'd be curious as to what the tax bill would be on this 45 foot tall car museum. It's waterfront property, right?

Concerning the Pavillion: I always thought the place would make a great "satellite" campus for the NH Boat Museum. Displays inside and seven (apparently) dock spaces outside to display some nice old garwoods, cruisers and a few Steelcrafts or Penn Yan Swifties.

How much interest do you think there would be for a condo with boatslip in this "historic building"?

McD

Silver Duck · 12-02-2005, 07:24 PM

seeing OakBirch and Dello's in the same thread. My best friend's dad used to be involved with OakBirch in the summers (maybe owned a piece of it?) and I remember him spending his summers up there.

And, my step-mom and her mother used to work at Dello's in the summers way back when (I'm pretty sure that they were related to the owners in some way!)

Too bad I started frequenting the big lake too late to be familiar with either one.

Silver Duck

upthesaukee · 12-02-2005, 11:22 PM

Here's a link to the Alton section of Vision Appraisal's website:

Looking at the assessed tax base for Mr. Bahre (Robert) shows that currently he has nearly $20 Million (let's put in the zeros), that is to say
$20,000,000.00, in assessed property. That doesn't include the parcel(s) where Hannaford is going in.

Also, look at the values for young Mr. Bahre (Gary) and see he has approximately $12,000,000.00 assessed value property.

Take the proposed square footage of the building, place a really high custom built cost-per-square-foot value in, do the simple multiplication (with a calculator that has at least 8 characters, better to have 10, and safest to have 12!

), and see what additional tax assessment this gentleman will generate.

And remember, the structure will not look like the two story gambrel garage(s) we see around town, that have been there for 5 years, and have been wrapped in Tyvek...how do we know that, it isn't on the appraisal...'cause they never finished the outside, no cedar shakes, no clapboards.

I would anticipate that when finished, you would not recognize the garage as being such, and given the grand size of the estate, the building will fit nicely into the rest of the estate.

MikeM · 12-02-2005, 11:54 PM

It would be good to see someone find a use for the place. its a shame that its just sits.

WakeUp · 12-04-2005, 08:10 AM

Great memories are there. Some folks remember roller skating. I sparked up my first doobie behind the 'ol building. Forever in my heart!

11-30-2005, 05:37 PM	#2
RumGuy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cape Cod / W.Alton Posts: 76 Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	Skating Some of my first dates were skating at the pavillion. There's a lot of fond memories there. The Oak Birch Inn was another great place.

12-01-2005, 07:15 AM	#4
mcdude Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rock Haven Lake - West Newfield, ME Posts: 5,367 Thanks: 374 Thanked 1,057 Times in 495 Posts	Dell-O-Lodge Recognize this place? Built originally in the 1800's to accommodate people coming by rail and called the Winnipesogee House. Then the Winnipesaukee House and apparently at some point the Dell-O-Lodge with a swimming pool! I have been going to the lake for many years and always knew it as the Alton Bay Inn. Card reads, "Owner-management: Mr. and Mrs. Ralph J. Dello Iacono. Tel. Alton, N.H. TRiangle 5-7700. 'Everything for your vacation pleasure' Entertainment nightly, Movies, dancing with orchestra in recreation hall. Cabana and swimming pool. Good food, comfortable rooms, cocktail lounge. Ideally situated for all nearby sports and other activities. Gay atmosphere - informal and congenial. Only a 2 hour ride from Boston via Rt. #1 to Portsmouth, NH on to Spaulding Turnpike to Rochester, onto Rt. #11 to Alton Bay. Also trains from North Station and busses from Park Square, Boston. Rates Resonable.

12-01-2005, 10:41 PM	#7
Just Sold Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Suncook, NH, but at The Lake at Heart Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 1,083 Thanked 434 Times in 210 Posts	Pavillion and Dello's My first and only time roller skating was at the Pavillion in the 60's. Went with the family from Peggy's Cove. We went in the blue 54 Chevy wagon that they only used during the summer at their cottage. LC's mom drove. I enjoyed ice skating more than rollers on the wood floor. I also remember the Dello Lodge. We never went there as it was quite the jumpin place way back then and my dad, was as you would say, a little too old fashioned for the place. Thanks McD for the posts. __________________ Just Sold At the lake the stress of daily life just melts away. Pro Re Nata

12-02-2005, 01:01 PM	#8
gtxrider Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Piscataway, NJ Posts: 1,030 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 24 Posts	Tilt I only skated there once and seem to remember the floor sloping towards the back (bay side) of he building. My dad, brother, nephew and I were in the building this summer for a tool sale and it seems much smaller inside. Is my memory right?

12-02-2005, 02:01 PM	#9
John A. Birdsall Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Norwich, CT Posts: 599 Thanks: 27 Thanked 51 Times in 35 Posts	paviliom Roller Skating at the Pavilion was done at least once a month maybe a couple times more every summer. I have even taken my children their. Smaller, I don't think so, although it did not take me so much room to go around it.

11-28-2005, 09:59 AM	#1
mcdude Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rock Haven Lake - West Newfield, ME Posts: 5,367 Thanks: 374 Thanked 1,057 Times in 495 Posts	Proposal to Develop Bay View Pavillion (and the Dell-O Lodge) From the Laconia Citizen - November 26, 2005 "ALTON — Since 1928, the Bay View Pavilion has been a two-story movie theater with an orchestra pit, boat storage, restaurant, and roller-skating rink. Now a long time resident is hoping to convert it into a seven unit condominium complex with two small retail stores......" See complete article here....(PS - I did not have to register to view the article) http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll...-1/citizen0107 Last edited by mcdude; 06-28-2006 at 09:44 AM.

11-30-2005, 10:11 PM	#3
Paugus Bay Resident Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Gilmanton, NH Posts: 754 Thanks: 136 Thanked 93 Times in 51 Posts	I too remember roller skating there in the 60s and watching the water ski show on the bay. Our parents would always go over to Dello's lodge while we hung out.

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12-01-2005, 09:50 AM	#5
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,985 Thanks: 246 Thanked 744 Times in 444 Posts	I used to rollerskate there in the mid 1970s. Girls were "icky" then, so no dates.

12-01-2005, 09:52 PM	#6
Paugus Bay Resident Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Gilmanton, NH Posts: 754 Thanks: 136 Thanked 93 Times in 51 Posts	McDude, Thanks for the postcards of Dello's. I'm going to print them off and show them to my 87 year old Mom. I'm sure it will bring back a lot of memories.

12-02-2005, 03:45 PM	#10
GTO Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,085 Thanks: 338 Thanked 349 Times in 161 Posts	I heard....... I had heard that Mr Bahre was going to buy it and store his cars and dolls there.....maybe that was just a rumor. __________________ GTO

12-02-2005, 05:00 PM	#11
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,597 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,457 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	GTXRider--- The interior has been remodelled, cutting in the the size of the floor space...kitchen..stage area..it's not as wide open as it was when it was the roller rink. At least by my recollection. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

12-02-2005, 06:47 PM	#12
mcdude Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rock Haven Lake - West Newfield, ME Posts: 5,367 Thanks: 374 Thanked 1,057 Times in 495 Posts	GTO: I heard that same Rumor! "In October, the Alton Zoning Board of Adjustment granted three variances to Winnipesaukee Pavilion, which included relief from the minimum lot requirement, minimum parking requirements and multi-family unit restrictions." Regarding the Bahre Resort Museum/Garage/Dollhouse/with living quarters for the guard/caretaker/tour director..... "Charles Shield told the Zoning Board of Adjustment — which is rehearing the case based on an appeal from the Board of Selectmen — that the town is lucky to have someone to that is able to put the money into the upkeep of old cars." The Alton ZBA hasn't seen this much action in years! I'd be curious as to what the tax bill would be on this 45 foot tall car museum. It's waterfront property, right? Concerning the Pavillion: I always thought the place would make a great "satellite" campus for the NH Boat Museum. Displays inside and seven (apparently) dock spaces outside to display some nice old garwoods, cruisers and a few Steelcrafts or Penn Yan Swifties. How much interest do you think there would be for a condo with boatslip in this "historic building"? McD

12-02-2005, 07:24 PM	#13
Silver Duck Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Billerica, MA Posts: 364 Thanks: 40 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Funny Coincidence seeing OakBirch and Dello's in the same thread. My best friend's dad used to be involved with OakBirch in the summers (maybe owned a piece of it?) and I remember him spending his summers up there. And, my step-mom and her mother used to work at Dello's in the summers way back when (I'm pretty sure that they were related to the owners in some way!) Too bad I started frequenting the big lake too late to be familiar with either one. Silver Duck

12-02-2005, 11:22 PM	#14
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,597 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,457 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	Here's a link to the Alton section of Vision Appraisal's website: Looking at the assessed tax base for Mr. Bahre (Robert) shows that currently he has nearly $20 Million (let's put in the zeros), that is to say $20,000,000.00, in assessed property. That doesn't include the parcel(s) where Hannaford is going in. Also, look at the values for young Mr. Bahre (Gary) and see he has approximately $12,000,000.00 assessed value property. Take the proposed square footage of the building, place a really high custom built cost-per-square-foot value in, do the simple multiplication (with a calculator that has at least 8 characters, better to have 10, and safest to have 12! ), and see what additional tax assessment this gentleman will generate. And remember, the structure will not look like the two story gambrel garage(s) we see around town, that have been there for 5 years, and have been wrapped in Tyvek...how do we know that, it isn't on the appraisal...'cause they never finished the outside, no cedar shakes, no clapboards. I would anticipate that when finished, you would not recognize the garage as being such, and given the grand size of the estate, the building will fit nicely into the rest of the estate. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

12-02-2005, 11:54 PM	#15
MikeM Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SWFl Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	It would be good to see someone find a use for the place. its a shame that its just sits.

12-04-2005, 08:10 AM	#16
WakeUp Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	..aahhh the 'ol Pavillion... Great memories are there. Some folks remember roller skating. I sparked up my first doobie behind the 'ol building. Forever in my heart!