New to Boating

BMAB · 03-18-2014, 10:52 AM

Hi All.
My wife and I have loved coming to Winni and spending time on our friend’s boat over the years. We are getting closer to making our own purchase in the next year or so. I am looking for some advice.
We live in MA, south of Boston and do not own a place in NH. I am thinking our best bet would be to buy a used cruiser so we could spend the weekends up north and sleep on the boat (me, my wife, and 2 small children). We would like to hang at sand bar, tube, ski if possible with the kids.
Does anyone have advice on different boats, we like a lot of the Sea Ray 240 Sundancers out there.. Something big enough, but trailerable if necessary.
Also, we have not visited any of the marinas yet. Which marinas are recommended? We would like some place to rent a wet slip, with decent amenities, showers, bathrooms, etc.
Thanks!

Lakeboater · 03-18-2014, 11:11 AM

IMO you can't go wrong with a sea ray. Quality boat that if taken care of really holds it's value.

jrc · 03-18-2014, 12:27 PM

Plenty of used cruisers around. Unless cash is really tight, I would go a little bigger, maybe 28'. I started my overnighting with a 30' and it was a good fit for two of us. With four it would start to get crowded. A 24' seems like it would be tight.

Then again model year is important, older boats seem to have more space for the same size. Later models tend to cheat a little, counting swim platforms as length, for example.

Diver Vince · 03-18-2014, 12:43 PM

I'm partial to Cobalt myself. Try MVYC in Gilford which has nice amenities.

BMAB · 03-18-2014, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Diver Vince

I'm partial to Cobalt myself. Try MVYC in Gilford which has nice amenities.

I love Cobalts, but have not seen many used ones recently.

I will check out MVYC.

thanks!

Dave R · 03-18-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BMAB

I love Cobalts, but have not seen many used ones recently.

Don't bother with Cobalt, they make great boats, but Cobalt does not make anything remotely like a Sea Ray 240 Sundancer. Look for brands like Larson, Crownline, Regal, Chaparral, Monterey, Bayliner, Glastron, Stingray, Ebbtide, Wellcraft etc. They have all made pocket cruisers in your size range.

If I were looking, I'd want at least a 5.7 liter engine and a dual prop drive in a 24-25 footer, anything bigger, I'd want twin 4.3s or bigger (with single or dual prop drives) or a single big block (7.4, 8.1, or 8.2 liter) with a dual prop drive.

Condition is far more important than brand or age, so be a careful shopper and don't get hung up on brand names.

Good luck.

Descant · 03-18-2014, 05:40 PM

If you buy from a dealer and he owns the boat, he may offer some sort of warranty. If he's a broker or you're buying privately, a licensed surveyor can be worth a lot of money to you. My last purchase, a 30 footer, the survey took about six hours including a sea trial and pulling the boat out of the water to inspect bottom and running gear. I used the survey to negotiate some work to be done by the seller, and paid a small fee to have the surveyor come back and reinspect. He also pointed out several items for future preventive work that we did this winter, and gave an estimate of fair market value. Many insurance companies will want a survey after you reach a certain size/age/value. As you might surmise, I was very happy with my surveyor, Bob Gallagher. I talked to a few; they specialize. Although he's from MA, he loves to come to Winnipesaukee. gallaghermarinesurveyors.com

If you rent or buy a slip, check out the policies of the condo/owner/landlord regarding who is available or allowed on the property to work on your boat.

jetlag100 · 03-18-2014, 05:57 PM

Not sure about the boat but Quayside Marina in Moultonborough has great amenities. We rent our slip there.Granted we don't sleep on our boat (we live very close to the place) but we do see lots of families and there's a lot of people sleeping on their boats..I noticed that there are some slips for rent right now and there's some for sale too! Good Luck

8gv · 03-18-2014, 06:44 PM

About the boat brand and size...

I have two smaller (18' and 20') Sea Rays and will attest to their quality.

Back in '98 I bought a 28' Bayliner for my family of five. The kids were 8, 5 and 1.

My search for a cruiser led me to the Bayliner because it had more interior space for its length. At that time, and I suspect now, the other brands had styling that was curvatious and sexy. The Bayliner was more boxy inside. The others had an 8'6" beam, suitable for trailering sans permit. The Bayliner had a 9'7" beam thus making trailering an event.

I doubt you'll trailer at all. That requires a trailer, a place to store the trailer and a vehicle powerful enough to tow a 24' or larger boat.

Here's the big and in my opinion, important difference for a family of four:

Fancy, expensive boat has tighter aft cabin, a narrow forward v-berth and minimal galley table that converts to a minimal berth THAT YOU NEED because the other sleeping areas are small.

Non fancy, cheaper (Bayliner) boat has a queen aft berth, generous v-berth and a full size table that sleeps two kids or one, shorter adult.

In the non fancy boat, dad can snooze in the aft cabin while mom sits at the table drinking her coffee while the kids snooze up front. Later, when everybody rises, all four can eat breakfast at the table. At night, the kids can watch TV from the table and then crawl off to sleep in the v-berth while mom and dad watch TV at the table. Later, mom and dad crawl off to the aft QUEEN SIZED berth, which is far away from the kids, for adult playtime.

Get 28' or more.
Forget about trailering.
Be sure the boat has three good sized sleeping areas.
Curves in the cabin are pretty but waste space!

MiFi · 03-18-2014, 07:08 PM

Couple of points, one could argue a twin engine cruiser actually is easier to maneuver in tight spots/docking than a single engine sleeper. Don't let the size of the boat be a deterant until you take one of each out for a trial.

I had a 25ft overnight sleeper, sleeping four on a 25 is doable however very tight quarters, especially as you invite guests up for day trips and such. After one season we decided to get serious and move up to a searay 34 but as other have noted 28 on up have good space. (Still less expensive than a lake front home).

Plus a smaller boat you need to constantly make the bed to a table and back again, painful. Also, most 25's don't have a/c, for overnight sleeping during the summer it's a must. Don't get the trailer, I did and never used it on the 25, look at the weight of the boat and trailer and consider the size vehicle you will need to haul it, and for what, the lake is where you want to be!

Rinkerguy · 03-18-2014, 08:01 PM

I would recommend going bigger. 26-28'. You will outgrow a 24' quickly and lose your shirt trading up. spend a little more now, to save a lot later.

Try West Alton Marina, great marina, with room for a gazebo behind your slip. Gas and service on site, can service and store your boat for you, all at a reasonable price

RLW · 03-18-2014, 08:42 PM

BMAB, I just noticed that you are fairly new to posting on the forum and glad you have joined us. Have fun and enjoy the Winni Forum while making many new friends.

VitaBene · 03-19-2014, 08:14 AM

Welcome to the forum and lake!

There is a lot of great advice above. Look for a good deep vee hull that will cut through the lake as opposed to pounding. You may be aware, but you cannot overnight on the lake unless at your slip or a friend's dock (no overnight anchoring).

Hope to see you out there!

MikeF-NH · 03-19-2014, 08:48 AM

I know you are mostly asking questions and getting answers about the specific boat you are shopping for BUT some of the other considerations are important too.

As posted above West Alton Marina is a GREAT place to consider for overnighting for the season. I only launch there (don't rent a slip) but the community of gazebos there looks very fun, the marina is well protected and in a great area, it has easy access from 93, grocery shopping is not far away in Alton or Laconia, outlet shopping in Tilton and "chain store" shopping in Laconia is convenient, the onsite facilities (laundry, toilets, showers) are clean and modern and the staff is friendly and professional. The West Alton sand bar is right there an the entrance to the marina also. Access to other major points on the lake (Weirs, Wolfboro, Alton Bay) does require a bit of a boat ride across sections of The Broads which can be intimidating when its stormy/windy though.

Since you are new to boating you will probably want to enroll in a Boaters Safety class asap in have someone else in your family go with you (so you aren't the only qualified boater). The lake is a very dangerous place with several unexpected offshore shoals. Pick up a bizer map and understand where these hazards are (for instance when going to Weirs past the Witches). Personally, I use both the bizer map (when planning my route) AND a Navionics chip for my Lowrance GPS on my fish finder. The Navionics ship gives great real time insight on harzardous areas you are approaching.

You have probably considered all this above but it never hurts to be reminded. Enjoy the Lake....IF this ice ever begins to melt.

Perfect Harmony · 03-19-2014, 09:48 AM

I know it was mentioned above, but do not sell yourself short on the importance of air conditioning. 4 in the cabin at night, in the middle of summer, will be the absolute worst experience you'll ever have. Also beam is critical to factor in. 4 in the cabin will get very small, very quickly. Forget adults in a V-berth. Sea Rays are nice but narrow. Four Winns have always impressed.

Last MVYC is good, but year to year you can't be assured of the same slip. but the ammenities are solid. I have heard great things about Alton. Good Luck!!!

jrc · 03-19-2014, 10:37 AM

I can add a third vote for air conditioning. But a lot of smaller boats don't have it, especially northern boats. Obviously you can live without it and you can add it.

But a lot depends on you, do you want a plush or a more camping experience. This can also effect you choice of marina. Money can also play in these decisions. Some marinas cost more and have rules about boat maintenance that can cost you more. Some have strict rules on many subjects some are more lax. Some cater to families, day boaters, partiers, and some have a mix.

Think about what you want from boating beyond the fun of a day on the lake, what about the rest of the day and night? Peace and quiet watching TV with the kids, a campfire, dinner at a nice restaurant, a barbeque, a few drinks with the neighbors, watching the game in the clubhouse, then go find a marina that supports that.

sum-r breeze · 03-19-2014, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfect Harmony

I know it was mentioned above, but do not sell yourself short on the importance of air conditioning. 4 in the cabin at night, in the middle of summer, will be the absolute worst experience you'll ever have. Also beam is critical to factor in. 4 in the cabin will get very small, very quickly. Forget adults in a V-berth. Sea Rays are nice but narrow. Four Winns have always impressed.

Last MVYC is good, but year to year you can't be assured of the same slip. but the ammenities are solid. I have heard great things about Alton. Good Luck!!!

We have been at MVYC for 14 years and have always had the first refusal option when renting a slip through Irwins. They send out a letter around Feb 1st to see if you want to rent the same slip as last year. There is always some turnover for various reasons..... New bigger boat won't fit in old smaller slip...Kid in college this year...IRS audit and the boat had to go...Wife found out about mistress

...take your pick. That being said, the staff at Irwins Carol Downing in particular, have always gone above and beyond to help us find the perfect place for The Breeze. MVYC also has the best July cookout/dance party of the summer for all owners and renters free of charge. This is a REAL "customer appreciation" party, unlike another marina where we used to be that CHARGED you (???) to attend!!! We LOVE Mountain View.

The Breeze
Wave 'cuz I'll be Wavin' Back

Alton Lady · 03-19-2014, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 8gv

About the boat brand and size...

I have two smaller (18' and 20') Sea Rays and will attest to their quality.

Back in '98 I bought a 28' Bayliner for my family of five. The kids were 8, 5 and 1.

My search for a cruiser led me to the Bayliner because it had more interior space for its length. At that time, and I suspect now, the other brands had styling that was curvatious and sexy. The Bayliner was more boxy inside. The others had an 8'6" beam, suitable for trailering sans permit. The Bayliner had a 9'7" beam thus making trailering an event.

I doubt you'll trailer at all. That requires a trailer, a place to store the trailer and a vehicle powerful enough to tow a 24' or larger boat.

Here's the big and in my opinion, important difference for a family of four:

Fancy, expensive boat has tighter aft cabin, a narrow forward v-berth and minimal galley table that converts to a minimal berth THAT YOU NEED because the other sleeping areas are small.

Non fancy, cheaper (Bayliner) boat has a queen aft berth, generous v-berth and a full size table that sleeps two kids or one, shorter adult.

In the non fancy boat, dad can snooze in the aft cabin while mom sits at the table drinking her coffee while the kids snooze up front. Later, when everybody rises, all four can eat breakfast at the table. At night, the kids can watch TV from the table and then crawl off to sleep in the v-berth while mom and dad watch TV at the table. Later, mom and dad crawl off to the aft QUEEN SIZED berth, which is far away from the kids, for adult playtime.

Get 28' or more.
Forget about trailering.
Be sure the boat has three good sized sleeping areas.
Curves in the cabin are pretty but waste space!

I'm glad I read through the responses, or I would have posted almost exactly what you did!

TiltonBB · 03-19-2014, 08:31 PM

So here are some of mine:

First, Carol at Irwin Marine is great. It's too bad she doesn't work at Mountain View any more but I am sure she follows along with everything that is going on there.

Second: I think MVYC is great. I was there for many years but now I rent my slip out because I no longer need it. There are good facilities and two nice beaches and a great view. It is centrally located on the lake and all of the shopping you could want is close by. There is nothing better than staying on your boat as many nights as your schedule will allow and enjoying the lake during the day.

Third: I would get a boat in the 26 - 28 foot range with a single big block engine. Simple to operate, minimal maintenance, and plenty of boat for a first timer.

I would stay away from the boats without two front seats. Many manufacturers are putting a double wide seat at the helm and a lounge on the opposite side. Think about a hot day: Do you want someone sitting up against you? Think about when you take a friend boating: Do you want them snuggled up against you on the "love seat"?

That is just my opinion but it always looks funny to see a boat go by with two adult men sitting up against each other on the love seat! OK. Maybe it's me!

BMAB · 03-18-2014, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jrc

Plenty of used cruisers around. Unless cash is really tight, I would go a little bigger, maybe 28'. I started my overnighting with a 30' and it was a good fit for two of us. With four it would start to get crowded. A 24' seems like it would be tight.

Then again model year is important, older boats seem to have more space for the same size. Later models tend to cheat a little, counting swim platforms as length, for example.

Thanks. I was thinking for our first boat a 28'-30' boat would be too big, but I have also heard you dont want anything smaller than 24' on the lake as it can get rough. I will make sure we get inside a few to make sure there is enough room. For the money we can spend it may be on the smaller side, but we can deal if it means we have something in the water!
Thanks for the help.

polarisman14 · 03-18-2014, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BMAB

Thanks. I was thinking for our first boat a 28'-30' boat would be too big, but I have also heard you dont want anything smaller than 24' on the lake as it can get rough. I will make sure we get inside a few to make sure there is enough room. For the money we can spend it may be on the smaller side, but we can deal if it means we have something in the water!
Thanks for the help.

Even with a 24' plus boat you can still get yourself into some hairy situations if it's windy and you are crossing the broads. 28-30 is definitely a manageable size especially if you are planning on staying overnight. If you just need a day boat (bowrider), in my opinion even a 19' boat is just fine. You just have to be a little more aware of your surroundings.

BMAB · 03-18-2014, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by polarisman14

Even with a 24' plus boat you can still get yourself into some hairy situations if it's windy and you are crossing the broads. 28-30 is definitely a manageable size especially if you are planning on staying overnight. If you just need a day boat (bowrider), in my opinion even a 19' boat is just fine. You just have to be a little more aware of your surroundings.

Thanks for the insight!

jrc · 03-18-2014, 01:51 PM

There are big weekend overnight communities all over the lake. Seems like more are on the west side, probably due to ease of access from RT93. Do some searching on this board about the pros and cons of each.

There are a few true rental properties left, but many are now condo. You can either buy a slip or rent one from an owners. Most will have electrical hookups cable TV and water at each slip. With cell phones I don't think people bother with phone lines on the slip anymore.

Most will have a club house and showers. Some are co-located with boat dealers and use the dealer bathrooms. Quality and cleanliness vary greatly.

We usually launch the week after ice-out, this year that may be the Fourth of July

. After that you're welcome to stop by and see what it's like. Send a PM.

Bandrews7 · 03-19-2014, 02:46 PM

We just purchased a Vista cruiser by Four Winns. It is me, my wife, and two children. I would not go less than 26 feet. Don't plan on trailering for a long distance because it is a lot of boat to pull behind a truck.

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Bear Islander · 03-19-2014, 02:51 PM

Some marinas will only rent you a slip if you buy the boat, new or used, from the marina.

Liquorish · 03-21-2014, 06:04 AM

BMAB, one other thing you might want to consider, if your traveling every weekend from south of Boston, I'd suggest staying in the Gilford, Laconia areas as this cuts down on the drive time from Ma. Others have mentioned Mountain View, there's also, Spinnaker Cove, Fay's and Gilford Yacht Club. Just check out the amenities at each, some nicer than others...

Silver Duck · 03-22-2014, 07:15 AM

24' will almost certainly be too small for a family of four, especially if it becomes an every weekend thing! Twelve years ago, my wife and I started with a non-air conditioned 24 footer; we moved up to a larger boat with a/c before the season was finished. Took an awful beating on the trade up, but never regretted doing it!

Be warned; if you like the marina lifestyle, you will really, really like it and want to spend every possible minute at the lake. So, best to be comfortable in whatever you buy!

By the way, I don't think Shep's has had the "buy here to get a slip" policy for the last few years.

jrc · 03-22-2014, 07:42 AM

Most boat dealers have the "if you buy a boat from us, we will get you a slip" policy. Obviously they don't want to lose a boat sale, just because you're worried about finding a slip. There were times when finding a slip was pretty hard.

While the economy is weak, and boat slips are easier to find, some boat dealers will rent to anyone. It should go without saying that these dealers will favor their boat customers on future rentals. They may rent you a slip this season but next year rent it to a boat customer.

I know one couple who had a slip at dealer "A", and mid-season they bought a boat from dealer "B" and put it in the slip at dealer "A". He was incensed and threw them out. So use common sense, a boat dealer sees his slips as tools to sell boats. Usually a marina not connect to a dealer is free of these worries.

robmac · 03-22-2014, 09:24 AM

I agree with prior post that they rent slips without purchase other wise I'd be in trouble

sum-r breeze · 03-23-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jrc

Most boat dealers have the "if you buy a boat from us, we will get you a slip" policy. Obviously they don't want to lose a boat sale, just because you're worried about finding a slip. There were times when finding a slip was pretty hard.

While the economy is weak, and boat slips are easier to find, some boat dealers will rent to anyone. It should go without saying that these dealers will favor their boat customers on future rentals. They may rent you a slip this season but next year rent it to a boat customer.

I know one couple who had a slip at dealer "A", and mid-season they bought a boat from dealer "B" and put it in the slip at dealer "A". He was incensed and threw them out. So use common sense, a boat dealer sees his slips as tools to sell boats. Usually a marina not connect to a dealer is free of these worries.

Dealer "B" (IRWIN) with me got way ahead of the curve and offered me the slip along with the sale of said boat. It really sweetened the deal and the next season, when we wanted to get into MVYC (slips were at a premium that year) they called me with a list of options for slips near all of our friends there. You can probably guess who got the next purchase from me after that bit of customer service. So weigh the benefits of the extra expense of buying AT the lake. The dealers will be much more receptive to your requests if you are supporting them with your boat buying dollars. I can see their side completely, they tend to take care of the people who are taking care of them.

Good Luck
The Breeze
Wave 'cuz I'll be wavin' back

pcmc · 03-23-2014, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sum-r breeze

Marina "B" (IRWIN) with me got way ahead of the curve and offered me the slip along with the sale of said boat. It really sweetened the deal and the next season, when we wanted to get into MVYC (slips were at a premium that year) they called me with a list of options for slips near all of our friends there. You can probably guess who got the next purchase from me after that bit of customer service. So weigh the benefits of the extra expense of buying AT the lake. The dealers will be much more receptive to your requests if you are supporting them with your boat buying dollars. I can see their side completely, they tend to take care of the people who are taking care of them.

Good Luck
The Breeze
Wave 'cuz I'll be wavin' back

This is really great to hear, this IS how it should be everywhere in every market! imo.
Unfortunately.....not always the case.

Bear Islander · 03-22-2014, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Duck

By the way, I don't think Shep's has had the "buy here to get a slip" policy for the last few years.

They had it last year when they told me to get my 15 horse aluminum skiff out of "my" slip because I didn't buy it there.

mfitz · 03-22-2014, 01:19 PM

I have been at Sheps for the past 3 years and have nothing but good thing to say about them. I purchased my boat there ,I have it serviced there and store it there and get 90 percent of my fuel there. They only have 12 weeks of summer at best. So if your at that marina at a slip then you should utilize there services . It seems to me that most of the the marinas on the lake are all on the same page with there prices so why not stay faithful to the marina that your boat calls home.

robmac · 03-22-2014, 02:04 PM

I have been at Sheps since coming back from FL and have had no problems leaving , servicing or fueling and for the record didn't purchase from them. Very happy since 2002

Bear Islander · 03-22-2014, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mfitz

I have been at Sheps for the past 3 years and have nothing but good thing to say about them. I purchased my boat there ,I have it serviced there and store it there and get 90 percent of my fuel there. They only have 12 weeks of summer at best. So if your at that marina at a slip then you should utilize there services . It seems to me that most of the the marinas on the lake are all on the same page with there prices so why not stay faithful to the marina that your boat calls home.

This is my 21st season as a slip customer at Sheps. I have purchased 4 new boats there and give them all my storage and service. I have mostly good things to say about them. But when I buy a $40k boat from them and pay $3k a year for a slip, I think it is rude of them to tell me to get my 14ft aluminum skiff out of my slip because it was originally purchased a Y-Landing.

In their defense the slip contract clearly states you can't put ANY boat in your slip that is not specifically listed on the contract.

MDoug · 03-22-2014, 03:06 PM

It does seem that marinas hold boaters hostage on the lake. We need more of public docks and ramps imho.

Rich · 03-22-2014, 04:45 PM

BMAB,

Having done what you're thinking of doing just a couple of years ago, I'll also through in my thoughts.

Before we started, I had always wanted to get back into boating (I spent many weekends on a boat as a teenager). A couple of years ago we got an older 27 ft boat, that just the two of us slept on.

We spend EVERY weekend on the boat, renting a slip at one of the 'condo' slips in Gilford. We fell in love with the experience, but the Ms. got tired of crawling under things to get to the berth, and crawling back out if needed in the middle of the night.

So we upgraded to a 38 ft, newer (not new, but much newer) boat the following year. Now the experience is wonderful for both of us. The new boat has AC and HEAT (which we never thought we needed it until we have it).

The boat stays at the dock, so we just drive up and spend the weekends. IF this is what you want to do, don't think of trailering, it's just too much work. You'll spend half a day (on each end of the weekend) hauling the boat back and forth. So just rent a slip and leave the boat in all summer.

When you go shopping for your boat, get into and out of the sleeping berth a few times, with BOTH of you in the berth. Now imagine doing that with four of you on board. Even though our first boat had a wide beam (by 27ft standards, our beam was 9' 6"), we found that even with just two of us, we were always in each other's way when we were below deck. With the larger boat, we don't have this issue at all. Now imagine the four of you.

Also, there were days on the lake when I wouldn't want to be out in something much smaller than the 27' boat. Yes you could be out there, but it wouldn't be much fun.

Of course cost is a big deal as you go up in the size of the boat, so take your comfort into account, try to get something that will fit your family.

As JRC offered, you're also welcome to come by my boat and check it out if we ever see the ice melt this year (we're at the same club in Gilford).

Good luck with your choice and have fun shopping!

Oh, if you don't have it yet, take a boating class and get your NH boating 'licence', don't wait until the spring, or until after you find your boat as it will be too late then! You'll need it either way. And have your wife join you in the class so you can both have your license!

SIKSUKR · 03-24-2014, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

This is my 21st season as a slip customer at Sheps. I have purchased 4 new boats there and give them all my storage and service. I have mostly good things to say about them. But when I buy a $40k boat from them and pay $3k a year for a slip, I think it is rude of them to tell me to get my 14ft aluminum skiff out of my slip because it was originally purchased a Y-Landing.

In their defense the slip contract clearly states you can't put ANY boat in your slip that is not specifically listed on the contract.

Contract smontract. Thats crap. You paid for the slip. What the heck is the difference which boat you put there assuming its no bigger than the one you signed in?

Bear Islander · 03-24-2014, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Contract smontract. Thats crap. You paid for the slip. What the heck is the difference which boat you put there assuming its no bigger than the one you signed in?

For once we are in total agreement.

jrc · 03-24-2014, 04:19 PM

Well in a lot of places you need an insurance policy for the boat, to protect the club against damages. So in that case, they really should only allow you to dock the boat if they have proof of insurance. It doesn't take much to cause big damage in a marina full of expensive boats.

SIKSUKR · 03-28-2014, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jrc

Well in a lot of places you need an insurance policy for the boat, to protect the club against damages. So in that case, they really should only allow you to dock the boat if they have proof of insurance. It doesn't take much to cause big damage in a marina full of expensive boats.

Fair enough. If proof of insurance of the other boat is shown there should be no problem. Especially a 14 ft skiff.

Descant · 03-28-2014, 12:51 PM

As I recall, your homeowners/tenants insurance covers small boats, canoes, etc. (less than 25 hp) automatically for liability, no extra charge or endorsement. Check it out.

SIKSUKR · 03-28-2014, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

For once we are in total agreement.

We agree on a lot more than you think BR. Don't let the past speed law debates cloud your judgement.

Carry on.

03-18-2014, 10:52 AM	#1
BMAB Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 5 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New to Boating Hi All. My wife and I have loved coming to Winni and spending time on our friend’s boat over the years. We are getting closer to making our own purchase in the next year or so. I am looking for some advice. We live in MA, south of Boston and do not own a place in NH. I am thinking our best bet would be to buy a used cruiser so we could spend the weekends up north and sleep on the boat (me, my wife, and 2 small children). We would like to hang at sand bar, tube, ski if possible with the kids. Does anyone have advice on different boats, we like a lot of the Sea Ray 240 Sundancers out there.. Something big enough, but trailerable if necessary. Also, we have not visited any of the marinas yet. Which marinas are recommended? We would like some place to rent a wet slip, with decent amenities, showers, bathrooms, etc. Thanks!

03-18-2014, 05:40 PM	#7
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,368 Thanks: 1,352 Thanked 1,624 Times in 1,056 Posts	Consider a pro surveyor If you buy from a dealer and he owns the boat, he may offer some sort of warranty. If he's a broker or you're buying privately, a licensed surveyor can be worth a lot of money to you. My last purchase, a 30 footer, the survey took about six hours including a sea trial and pulling the boat out of the water to inspect bottom and running gear. I used the survey to negotiate some work to be done by the seller, and paid a small fee to have the surveyor come back and reinspect. He also pointed out several items for future preventive work that we did this winter, and gave an estimate of fair market value. Many insurance companies will want a survey after you reach a certain size/age/value. As you might surmise, I was very happy with my surveyor, Bob Gallagher. I talked to a few; they specialize. Although he's from MA, he loves to come to Winnipesaukee. gallaghermarinesurveyors.com If you rent or buy a slip, check out the policies of the condo/owner/landlord regarding who is available or allowed on the property to work on your boat.

03-18-2014, 08:42 PM	#12
RLW Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Alton Bay on the mountain by a lake Posts: 2,023 Thanks: 563 Thanked 444 Times in 311 Posts	*BMAB,* I just noticed that you are fairly new to posting on the forum and glad you have joined us. Have fun and enjoy the Winni Forum while making many new friends. __________________ There is nothing better than living on Alton Mountain & our grand kids visits.

03-19-2014, 08:14 AM	#13
VitaBene Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 3,587 Thanks: 1,625 Thanked 1,640 Times in 843 Posts	Welcome Welcome to the forum and lake! There is a lot of great advice above. Look for a good deep vee hull that will cut through the lake as opposed to pounding. You may be aware, but you cannot overnight on the lake unless at your slip or a friend's dock (no overnight anchoring). Hope to see you out there!

03-19-2014, 08:31 PM	#19
TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 3,009 Thanks: 699 Thanked 2,203 Times in 937 Posts	Everyone has their own opinion So here are some of mine: First, Carol at Irwin Marine is great. It's too bad she doesn't work at Mountain View any more but I am sure she follows along with everything that is going on there. Second: I think MVYC is great. I was there for many years but now I rent my slip out because I no longer need it. There are good facilities and two nice beaches and a great view. It is centrally located on the lake and all of the shopping you could want is close by. There is nothing better than staying on your boat as many nights as your schedule will allow and enjoying the lake during the day. Third: I would get a boat in the 26 - 28 foot range with a single big block engine. Simple to operate, minimal maintenance, and plenty of boat for a first timer. I would stay away from the boats without two front seats. Many manufacturers are putting a double wide seat at the helm and a lounge on the opposite side. Think about a hot day: Do you want someone sitting up against you? Think about when you take a friend boating: Do you want them snuggled up against you on the "love seat"? That is just my opinion but it always looks funny to see a boat go by with two adult men sitting up against each other on the love seat! OK. Maybe it's me!

03-18-2014, 11:11 AM	#2
Lakeboater Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 394 Thanks: 20 Thanked 131 Times in 94 Posts	IMO you can't go wrong with a sea ray. Quality boat that if taken care of really holds it's value.

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03-18-2014, 12:27 PM	#3
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Plenty of used cruisers around. Unless cash is really tight, I would go a little bigger, maybe 28'. I started my overnighting with a 30' and it was a good fit for two of us. With four it would start to get crowded. A 24' seems like it would be tight. Then again model year is important, older boats seem to have more space for the same size. Later models tend to cheat a little, counting swim platforms as length, for example.

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03-18-2014, 12:43 PM	#4
Diver Vince Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Bonaire Dutch Caribbean and Gilford NH Posts: 103 Thanks: 31 Thanked 27 Times in 17 Posts	I'm partial to Cobalt myself. Try MVYC in Gilford which has nice amenities.

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03-18-2014, 05:57 PM	#8
jetlag100 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Revere, Massachusetts and Moultonborough, N.H. Posts: 311 Thanks: 228 Thanked 79 Times in 50 Posts	Not sure about the boat but Quayside Marina in Moultonborough has great amenities. We rent our slip there.Granted we don't sleep on our boat (we live very close to the place) but we do see lots of families and there's a lot of people sleeping on their boats..I noticed that there are some slips for rent right now and there's some for sale too! Good Luck

03-18-2014, 06:44 PM	#9
8gv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,099 Thanks: 64 Thanked 745 Times in 479 Posts	About the boat brand and size... I have two smaller (18' and 20') Sea Rays and will attest to their quality. Back in '98 I bought a 28' Bayliner for my family of five. The kids were 8, 5 and 1. My search for a cruiser led me to the Bayliner because it had more interior space for its length. At that time, and I suspect now, the other brands had styling that was curvatious and sexy. The Bayliner was more boxy inside. The others had an 8'6" beam, suitable for trailering sans permit. The Bayliner had a 9'7" beam thus making trailering an event. I doubt you'll trailer at all. That requires a trailer, a place to store the trailer and a vehicle powerful enough to tow a 24' or larger boat. Here's the big and in my opinion, important difference for a family of four: Fancy, expensive boat has tighter aft cabin, a narrow forward v-berth and minimal galley table that converts to a minimal berth THAT YOU NEED because the other sleeping areas are small. Non fancy, cheaper (Bayliner) boat has a queen aft berth, generous v-berth and a full size table that sleeps two kids or one, shorter adult. In the non fancy boat, dad can snooze in the aft cabin while mom sits at the table drinking her coffee while the kids snooze up front. Later, when everybody rises, all four can eat breakfast at the table. At night, the kids can watch TV from the table and then crawl off to sleep in the v-berth while mom and dad watch TV at the table. Later, mom and dad crawl off to the aft QUEEN SIZED berth, which is far away from the kids, for adult playtime. Get 28' or more. Forget about trailering. Be sure the boat has three good sized sleeping areas. Curves in the cabin are pretty but waste space!

03-18-2014, 07:08 PM	#10
MiFi Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 10 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Couple of points, one could argue a twin engine cruiser actually is easier to maneuver in tight spots/docking than a single engine sleeper. Don't let the size of the boat be a deterant until you take one of each out for a trial. I had a 25ft overnight sleeper, sleeping four on a 25 is doable however very tight quarters, especially as you invite guests up for day trips and such. After one season we decided to get serious and move up to a searay 34 but as other have noted 28 on up have good space. (Still less expensive than a lake front home). Plus a smaller boat you need to constantly make the bed to a table and back again, painful. Also, most 25's don't have a/c, for overnight sleeping during the summer it's a must. Don't get the trailer, I did and never used it on the 25, look at the weight of the boat and trailer and consider the size vehicle you will need to haul it, and for what, the lake is where you want to be!

03-18-2014, 08:01 PM	#11
Rinkerguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 122 Thanks: 0 Thanked 33 Times in 24 Posts	I would recommend going bigger. 26-28'. You will outgrow a 24' quickly and lose your shirt trading up. spend a little more now, to save a lot later. Try West Alton Marina, great marina, with room for a gazebo behind your slip. Gas and service on site, can service and store your boat for you, all at a reasonable price

03-19-2014, 08:48 AM	#14
MikeF-NH Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 318 Thanks: 2 Thanked 120 Times in 80 Posts	I know you are mostly asking questions and getting answers about the specific boat you are shopping for BUT some of the other considerations are important too. As posted above West Alton Marina is a GREAT place to consider for overnighting for the season. I only launch there (don't rent a slip) but the community of gazebos there looks very fun, the marina is well protected and in a great area, it has easy access from 93, grocery shopping is not far away in Alton or Laconia, outlet shopping in Tilton and "chain store" shopping in Laconia is convenient, the onsite facilities (laundry, toilets, showers) are clean and modern and the staff is friendly and professional. The West Alton sand bar is right there an the entrance to the marina also. Access to other major points on the lake (Weirs, Wolfboro, Alton Bay) does require a bit of a boat ride across sections of The Broads which can be intimidating when its stormy/windy though. Since you are new to boating you will probably want to enroll in a Boaters Safety class asap in have someone else in your family go with you (so you aren't the only qualified boater). The lake is a very dangerous place with several unexpected offshore shoals. Pick up a bizer map and understand where these hazards are (for instance when going to Weirs past the Witches). Personally, I use both the bizer map (when planning my route) AND a Navionics chip for my Lowrance GPS on my fish finder. The Navionics ship gives great real time insight on harzardous areas you are approaching. You have probably considered all this above but it never hurts to be reminded. Enjoy the Lake....IF this ice ever begins to melt.

03-19-2014, 09:48 AM	#15
Perfect Harmony Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Gilford, Meredith Posts: 7 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I know it was mentioned above, but do not sell yourself short on the importance of air conditioning. 4 in the cabin at night, in the middle of summer, will be the absolute worst experience you'll ever have. Also beam is critical to factor in. 4 in the cabin will get very small, very quickly. Forget adults in a V-berth. Sea Rays are nice but narrow. Four Winns have always impressed. Last MVYC is good, but year to year you can't be assured of the same slip. but the ammenities are solid. I have heard great things about Alton. Good Luck!!!

03-19-2014, 10:37 AM	#16
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	I can add a third vote for air conditioning. But a lot of smaller boats don't have it, especially northern boats. Obviously you can live without it and you can add it. But a lot depends on you, do you want a plush or a more camping experience. This can also effect you choice of marina. Money can also play in these decisions. Some marinas cost more and have rules about boat maintenance that can cost you more. Some have strict rules on many subjects some are more lax. Some cater to families, day boaters, partiers, and some have a mix. Think about what you want from boating beyond the fun of a day on the lake, what about the rest of the day and night? Peace and quiet watching TV with the kids, a campfire, dinner at a nice restaurant, a barbeque, a few drinks with the neighbors, watching the game in the clubhouse, then go find a marina that supports that.

03-18-2014, 01:51 PM	#23
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	There are big weekend overnight communities all over the lake. Seems like more are on the west side, probably due to ease of access from RT93. Do some searching on this board about the pros and cons of each. There are a few true rental properties left, but many are now condo. You can either buy a slip or rent one from an owners. Most will have electrical hookups cable TV and water at each slip. With cell phones I don't think people bother with phone lines on the slip anymore. Most will have a club house and showers. Some are co-located with boat dealers and use the dealer bathrooms. Quality and cleanliness vary greatly. We usually launch the week after ice-out, this year that may be the Fourth of July . After that you're welcome to stop by and see what it's like. Send a PM.

03-19-2014, 02:46 PM	#24
Bandrews7 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Holden, ma Posts: 45 Thanks: 44 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	We just purchased a Vista cruiser by Four Winns. It is me, my wife, and two children. I would not go less than 26 feet. Don't plan on trailering for a long distance because it is a lot of boat to pull behind a truck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "Isabethan"

03-19-2014, 02:51 PM	#25
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	Some marinas will only rent you a slip if you buy the boat, new or used, from the marina.

03-21-2014, 06:04 AM	#26
Liquorish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Medfield Ma & Meredith Nh Posts: 93 Thanks: 8 Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts	BMAB, one other thing you might want to consider, if your traveling every weekend from south of Boston, I'd suggest staying in the Gilford, Laconia areas as this cuts down on the drive time from Ma. Others have mentioned Mountain View, there's also, Spinnaker Cove, Fay's and Gilford Yacht Club. Just check out the amenities at each, some nicer than others...

03-22-2014, 07:15 AM	#27
Silver Duck Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Billerica, MA Posts: 364 Thanks: 40 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	24' will almost certainly be too small for a family of four, especially if it becomes an every weekend thing! Twelve years ago, my wife and I started with a non-air conditioned 24 footer; we moved up to a larger boat with a/c before the season was finished. Took an awful beating on the trade up, but never regretted doing it! Be warned; if you like the marina lifestyle, you will really, really like it and want to spend every possible minute at the lake. So, best to be comfortable in whatever you buy! By the way, I don't think Shep's has had the "buy here to get a slip" policy for the last few years.

03-22-2014, 07:42 AM	#28
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Most boat dealers have the "if you buy a boat from us, we will get you a slip" policy. Obviously they don't want to lose a boat sale, just because you're worried about finding a slip. There were times when finding a slip was pretty hard. While the economy is weak, and boat slips are easier to find, some boat dealers will rent to anyone. It should go without saying that these dealers will favor their boat customers on future rentals. They may rent you a slip this season but next year rent it to a boat customer. I know one couple who had a slip at dealer "A", and mid-season they bought a boat from dealer "B" and put it in the slip at dealer "A". He was incensed and threw them out. So use common sense, a boat dealer sees his slips as tools to sell boats. Usually a marina not connect to a dealer is free of these worries.

03-22-2014, 09:24 AM	#29
robmac Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashua,Meredith Posts: 951 Thanks: 213 Thanked 106 Times in 81 Posts	I agree with prior post that they rent slips without purchase other wise I'd be in trouble

03-22-2014, 01:19 PM	#33
mfitz Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 12 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Slips I have been at Sheps for the past 3 years and have nothing but good thing to say about them. I purchased my boat there ,I have it serviced there and store it there and get 90 percent of my fuel there. They only have 12 weeks of summer at best. So if your at that marina at a slip then you should utilize there services . It seems to me that most of the the marinas on the lake are all on the same page with there prices so why not stay faithful to the marina that your boat calls home.

03-22-2014, 02:04 PM	#34
robmac Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashua,Meredith Posts: 951 Thanks: 213 Thanked 106 Times in 81 Posts	I have been at Sheps since coming back from FL and have had no problems leaving , servicing or fueling and for the record didn't purchase from them. Very happy since 2002

03-22-2014, 03:06 PM	#36
MDoug Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 342 Thanks: 116 Thanked 42 Times in 39 Posts	Slips It does seem that marinas hold boaters hostage on the lake. We need more of public docks and ramps imho.

03-22-2014, 04:45 PM	#37
Rich Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Derry / Gilford Posts: 1,246 Thanks: 73 Thanked 345 Times in 235 Posts	BMAB, Having done what you're thinking of doing just a couple of years ago, I'll also through in my thoughts. Before we started, I had always wanted to get back into boating (I spent many weekends on a boat as a teenager). A couple of years ago we got an older 27 ft boat, that just the two of us slept on. We spend EVERY weekend on the boat, renting a slip at one of the 'condo' slips in Gilford. We fell in love with the experience, but the Ms. got tired of crawling under things to get to the berth, and crawling back out if needed in the middle of the night. So we upgraded to a 38 ft, newer (not new, but much newer) boat the following year. Now the experience is wonderful for both of us. The new boat has AC and HEAT (which we never thought we needed it until we have it). The boat stays at the dock, so we just drive up and spend the weekends. IF this is what you want to do, don't think of trailering, it's just too much work. You'll spend half a day (on each end of the weekend) hauling the boat back and forth. So just rent a slip and leave the boat in all summer. When you go shopping for your boat, get into and out of the sleeping berth a few times, with BOTH of you in the berth. Now imagine doing that with four of you on board. Even though our first boat had a wide beam (by 27ft standards, our beam was 9' 6"), we found that even with just two of us, we were always in each other's way when we were below deck. With the larger boat, we don't have this issue at all. Now imagine the four of you. Also, there were days on the lake when I wouldn't want to be out in something much smaller than the 27' boat. Yes you could be out there, but it wouldn't be much fun. Of course cost is a big deal as you go up in the size of the boat, so take your comfort into account, try to get something that will fit your family. As JRC offered, you're also welcome to come by my boat and check it out if we ever see the ice melt this year (we're at the same club in Gilford). Good luck with your choice and have fun shopping! Oh, if you don't have it yet, take a boating class and get your NH boating 'licence', don't wait until the spring, or until after you find your boat as it will be too late then! You'll need it either way. And have your wife join you in the class so you can both have your license! __________________ Don't listen to me, obviously I don't understand what I'm talking about! Let's help each other save time and money: WinniGas.com

03-24-2014, 04:19 PM	#40
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Well in a lot of places you need an insurance policy for the boat, to protect the club against damages. So in that case, they really should only allow you to dock the boat if they have proof of insurance. It doesn't take much to cause big damage in a marina full of expensive boats.

03-28-2014, 12:51 PM	#42
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,368 Thanks: 1,352 Thanked 1,624 Times in 1,056 Posts	Insurance As I recall, your homeowners/tenants insurance covers small boats, canoes, etc. (less than 25 hp) automatically for liability, no extra charge or endorsement. Check it out.