"Social Distancing" at the Lake

[Andromeda321]

Anyone else doing this in these strange times? My husband and I are now both on remote work for the foreseeable future, and our Internet is good up there, so we are decamping in the next few days to head up to the lake. Now that social distancing is the new trend I can't help but think it's basically what lake life is anyway- go for walks in the woods, kayak, and read a good book without getting within six feet of anyone else!

This is going to also be our first time up there for ice out, so that'll be an interesting point in a spring I'm sure no one is going to forget anytime soon.

[Major]

Nope. Looking forward to having a nice dinner with good friends on Saturday night. Not sure where we are going. No social distancing for this cat.

[Susie Cougar]

Andromeda321, If you look under the post McMansions, you will see that this is one of the things I have suggested that people start doing. I am taking this coronavirus very seriously and I am very upset that so many others think it’s a media hype. Good for you for doing the right thing. Didn’t

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

Andromeda321, If you look under the post McMansions, you will see that this is one of the things I have suggested that people start doing. I am taking this coronavirus very seriously and I am very upset that so many others think it’s a media hype. Good for you for doing the right thing. Didn’t

Sorry, the post is the New Hampshire Boat Show. I think I better get off this forum for a while. Lol 😂

[MAXUM]

I love the newly coined phrase "social distancing" how quaint and politically correct.

It's a virus it will spread, some will die from it most will not. Simple as that. What is happening now is mass hysteria fueled by a 24X7 news cycle that has nothing better to do than whip up their viewers for ratings. That is not to downplay how severe it is, by creating mass panic it just makes it that much worse.

The world will survive this, mankind as we know it will not come to an end. If anything, we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate.

[Top-Water]

I think I'm going to try and "social distance" myself as much as posible with the smallmouth this summer.



Hopefully I'll survive.

[MAXUM]

Good way to keep people out of your hot spot. Just start coughing real bad

I ponder the thought what is adequate "social distancing" while fishing? This is VERY critical for the safety of others.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Good way to keep people out of your hot spot. Just start coughing real bad

I ponder the thought what is adequate "social distancing" while fishing? This is VERY critical for the safety of others.

Gas will be cheaper this summer. Get a bigger boat (low interest rates!) so you
can fish socially distant from the same boat. Watching the market in the last few days, I wouldn't be surprised to see some bargains in boats and other discretionary items this summer.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I ponder the thought what is adequate "social distancing"

I'm going to have to separate the stools at the tiki bar a bit more!...

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I'm going to have to separate the stools at the tiki bar a bit more!...

[garysanfran]

2009-2010 when Obama was President...60,000,000 Americans infected. 30,000 hospitalized...In the USA!

Anyone remember?

Probably not.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

2009-2010 when Obama was President...60,000,000 Americans infected. 30,000 hospitalized...In the USA!

Anyone remember?

Probably not.

Sorry, viruses have no politics. And you need to recheck your numbers...the first is correct, but the second is low by a factor of 9. From the CDC website "The United States mounted a complex, multi-faceted and long-term response to the pandemic." We're not seeing that as of now for this pandemic. Hopefully, that will change.

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[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I'm going to have to separate the stools at the tiki bar a bit more!...

LMAO...as long as you don't start "pushing them in" Dan!

[steve-on-mark]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

LMAO...as long as you don't start "pushing them in" Dan!

Yikes...I have a great joke here, but I'd better refrain!

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[Garcia]

The idea of limiting contact with others prior to a major outbreak is not new. Epidemiologists use data from the 1918 flu pandemic to help better plan for and avoid crises today. Here's one article that shows how two communities approached the 1918 flu, https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-th...tancing-works/.

Public health officials are caught between a rock and a hard place. If they do nothing and the crises grows, people complain. If they take drastic action and a crises is minimized, people say the measures were not necessary.

Right now Italy is being overwhelmed by the COVID-19 outbreak. We are a couple weeks behind them in terms of the outbreak. It certainly seems wise to take careful, thoughtful, even dramatic actions to limit the spread. Do we need to panic and make decisions based on fears? Of course not. But, thoughtful, science based decisions are prudent.

[Andromeda321]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I love the newly coined phrase "social distancing" how quaint and politically correct.

It's a virus it will spread, some will die from it most will not. Simple as that. What is happening now is mass hysteria fueled by a 24X7 news cycle that has nothing better to do than whip up their viewers for ratings. That is not to downplay how severe it is, by creating mass panic it just makes it that much worse.

The world will survive this, mankind as we know it will not come to an end. If anything, we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate.

Ok, boomer.

[Orion]

I think the property values of island properties just went up.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Orion

I think the property values of island properties just went up.

It will be an interesting season. Rates will be low but with the market taking such a beating it may limit people wanting to tap into investments or use up cash to buy a luxury item like an island property.

Me? I will be shopping. No need to overpay now.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by codeman671

It will be an interesting season. Rates will be low but with the market taking such a beating it may limit people wanting to tap into investments or use up cash to buy a luxury item like an island property.

Me? I will be shopping. No need to overpay now.

I learned a long time ago to save when things are good and buy when things aren't.

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[BroadHopper]

In the 60's, 70's and 80's, i knew a lot of folks from various part of the lake. Block parties in neighborhoods where everyone is invited were common. The water ski races and exhibits were popular places to meet folks. Sand bars were popular before all the crazy laws enacted. Neighborhoods even had crazy boat parades! Everyone was very sociable!

Now, the mcmansion owners would complain about the block parties and sand bars. Speed limit divided the lake community. Watersport activities are almost non existence! The weekend are practically crazy with the bad attitude in boating. Social disengagement becomes the norm. Sad.

[steve-on-mark]

Originally Posted by Orion

I think the property values of island properties just went up.

As long as the increases offset our 401k losses!

[TiltonBB]

Lakes Region General Hospital reports two positive tests:

From the Laconia Sun:

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...ntent=headline

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Andromeda321

Ok, boomer.

Sorry to disappoint but I'm actually way to young to be a "boomer".

[Susie Cougar]

Andromeda321, how long are they closing down for?

[Andromeda321]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

Andromeda321, how long are they closing down for?

Right now all regular activity at my work (visits, travel, gatherings over 25, etc) are suspended through April 30, with the understanding that it can of course be longer.

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by Andromeda321

Right now all regular activity at my work (visits, travel, gatherings over 25, etc) are suspended through April 30, with the understanding that it can of course be longer.

As important as these closings are, I can’t help but feel sorry for the people who will be affected the most, the hourly workers who do not have sick pay or vacation pay or any time to use. Food-service workers are going to be hit very hard by this. All those workers in all those school cafeterias. So many people live from paycheck to paycheck anyway, I’m not sure what people are supposed to do in a situation like this.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

So many people live from paycheck to paycheck anyway, I’m not sure what people are supposed to do in a situation like this.

You asked the question.

A : Create government nanny state program (slash) feel good legeslation and everything will be fine.

[Overlake97]

“LONDON (Reuters) - At least one in five people worldwide were infected with swine flu during the first year of the 2009-2010 H1N1 pandemic, an international research group said on Friday, but the death rate was just 0.02 percent.” COVID-19’s mortality rate looks to be around 3%, overall; higher for people over 65 (not sure of that number).

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Overlake97

“LONDON (Reuters) - At least one in five people worldwide were infected with swine flu during the first year of the 2009-2010 H1N1 pandemic, an international research group said on Friday, but the death rate was just 0.02 percent.” COVID-19’s mortality rate looks to be around 3%, overall; higher for people over 65 (not sure of that number).

While at the moment those numbers may be accurate at the outset of H1N1 the mortality rate being observed was reported to be in a similar range as well but as time went on and it ran it's due course the actual numbers were far from that. In fact I recall where it was first observed the mortality rate was very high. It's all in how accurate the sampling is, as already noted by several doctors I have seen interviewed who appear to be interested in spreading fact not fear, many cases will be mild and as such may not be identified as COVID-19. Instead it seems quite plausible the numbers are skewed now because nobody has an accurate count of how many actually are infected or recovered.

It would be nice if there was more responsible reporting on this. Not to downplay the threat, but to put context to it. That way the focus can be placed on protecting those who's lives really do depend on protection from it. We are NOT in the midst of a Zombie Apocalypse as many would like you to believe.

[Top-Water]

My son who works in a hospital operating room in southern new hampshire said it best last night on our way out to dinner last evening.

I wish the talking heads that are not qualified to speak about the issuse would just shut up. ............ we can't even do elective surgery anymore. Way to much misinformation.

Originally Posted by MAXUM

It would be nice if there was more responsible reporting on this. Not to downplay the threat, but to put context to it. That way the focus can be placed on protecting those who's lives really do depend on protection from it. We are NOT in the midst of a Zombie Apocalypse as many would like you to believe.

[MAXUM]

When you have politicians pontificating about xenophobia, as if that is relevant to the situation at hand, it's pretty clear we are not in grave danger from this virus, we are in grave danger because the people who are in placed in a position of authority are completely and utterly incompetent.

For once it would be nice to see the political posturing to stop and the entire country band together and address this like adults. Fact is a virus has no concept of race or political persuasion.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

While at the moment those numbers may be accurate at the outset of H1N1 the mortality rate being observed was reported to be in a similar range as well but as time went on and it ran it's due course the actual numbers were far from that. In fact I recall where it was first observed the mortality rate was very high. It's all in how accurate the sampling is, as already noted by several doctors I have seen interviewed who appear to be interested in spreading fact not fear, many cases will be mild and as such may not be identified as COVID-19. Instead it seems quite plausible the numbers are skewed now because nobody has an accurate count of how many actually are infected or recovered.

It would be nice if there was more responsible reporting on this. Not to downplay the threat, but to put context to it. That way the focus can be placed on protecting those who's lives really do depend on protection from it. We are NOT in the midst of a Zombie Apocalypse as many would like you to believe.

This is completely reasonable, and it's critical that we have responsible reporting. But a central problem here is that it is extraordinarily difficult to predict or even understand exponential growth. So when we see something dangerous growing exponentially, it is responsible to sound the alarm.

Here's a bit of fun to illustrate the exponential growth problem--take a sheet of paper and fold it in half. Then fold it half again (so that the sheet is now 1/4 of it's original size and 4 sheets thick). Then fold it in half again, and again...Assuming we could fold the paper in half 40 times and then sit it on the a table, how tall would the stack be?

A beer on my porch in June awaits the first reasonably close guesser.

[AC2717]

Can someone give an update on the ground thaw? I want to turn my water on and get started a lot earlier than normal this year

[MAXUM]

2^(40) - 1

It's a big number! I just don't have a calculator handy to do this math.

[Top-Water]

Not solve-able ........ you did not include the thickness of the paper. So how can you figure it out how tall it is.

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

how tall would the stack be?

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by Andromeda321

Ok, boomer.

I hope you’re not an educator with this kind of response.


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[Susie Cougar]

All public schools in Maryland are closed immediately until March 27.
I guess people are starting to take this as seriously as they should. It’s just too bad that my grandkids can’t come down here for a couple of weeks while they’re out of school. They get to be stuck in Baltimore city with nothing to do.
Being stuck at the lake sounds pretty good to me.

[nj2nh]

Originally Posted by Andromeda321

Ok, boomer.

Ok, boomer? Could you be any ruder or more obnoxious? Since when did those born before 1964 become vilified and stupid?


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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by nj2nh

Ok, boomer? Could you be any ruder or more obnoxious? Since when did those born before 1964 become vilified and stupid?


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Didn’t you know that all the current ills of society were caused by boomers?


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[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by nj2nh

Ok, boomer? Could you be any ruder or more obnoxious?

I found the comment to be apt.

It's a dismissive shortcut, ala "that's enough, grandpa, now go watch Fox news."

It was a curt, on point response to Maxum's asinine claim that "we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate."

[Andromeda321]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

I found the comment to be apt.

It's a dismissive shortcut, ala "that's enough, grandpa, now go watch Fox news."

It was a curt, on point response to Maxum's asinine claim that "we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate."

Yes. It's not about age.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I love the newly coined phrase "social distancing" how quaint and politically correct.

It's a virus it will spread, some will die from it most will not. Simple as that. What is happening now is mass hysteria fueled by a 24X7 news cycle that has nothing better to do than whip up their viewers for ratings. That is not to downplay how severe it is, by creating mass panic it just makes it that much worse.

The world will survive this, mankind as we know it will not come to an end. If anything, we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate.

We could be like China and have all our news coming from the Government. They downplayed the virus until it was so bad they couldn't hide the results any longer.
My best friend has business associates over there and he said they all told him that it's much worse than the government is letting on.

[nj2nh]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I love the newly coined phrase "social distancing" how quaint and politically correct.

It's a virus it will spread, some will die from it most will not. Simple as that. What is happening now is mass hysteria fueled by a 24X7 news cycle that has nothing better to do than whip up their viewers for ratings. That is not to downplay how severe it is, by creating mass panic it just makes it that much worse.

The world will survive this, mankind as we know it will not come to an end. If anything, we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate.

No one can say for sure that this will dissipate in warm weather. Italy is warm. The Middle East is warm. Spain is warm. All are hot spots right now.

I prefer panic to complacency which is infinitely worse.


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[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by nj2nh

No one can say for sure that this will dissipate in warm weather. Italy is warm. The Middle East is warm. Spain is warm. All are hot spots right now.

I prefer panic to complacency which is infinitely worse.


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An interesting map showing the current "hot spots" as it relates to temperature.... all these areas are in a similar temperature band.

Again it's early to make assumptions here, but there certainly seems to be a trend forming. There have already been observations doing in labs indicating that temperature, more so humidity has a direct effect on the ease at which this spreads.

[erick26]

Originally Posted by Major

Nope. Looking forward to having a nice dinner with good friends on Saturday night. Not sure where we are going. No social distancing for this cat.

Major I would ask that you reconsider your actions. Even if you and your friends are not concerned with getting the virus, I’ve heard the contagious factor is like an invisible wildfire so even if you have no symptoms at all you can spread it for up to 2 weeks to others. You could infect a family member or friend that could become extremely sick or even die. I know this whole thing is crazy, but I believe the numbers are much worse than reported due to lack of testing. The longer people ignore this, the longer it will drag out and potentially create full shutdowns of everything! Just my 2 cents. Thx #stayingthe’F’home


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[Major]

Originally Posted by erick26

Major I would ask that you reconsider your actions. Even if you and your friends are not concerned with getting the virus, I’ve heard the contagious factor is like an invisible wildfire so even if you have no symptoms at all you can spread it for up to 2 weeks to others. You could infect a family member or friend that could become extremely sick or even die. I know this whole thing is crazy, but I believe the numbers are much worse than reported due to lack of testing. The longer people ignore this, the longer it will drag out and potentially create full shutdowns of everything! Just my 2 cents. Thx #stayingthe’F’home


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Too late. Had an awesome time with no regrets. Went to Mass on Sunday and lunch with friends at Canoe. I have no choice now. The world has stopped. We'll invite friends over to our home to socialize.

I realize there are risks. However, personally, I think it makes sense for persons to be responsible for their own actions. If you are over a certain age, or have a compromised immune system, the responsibility should be on you to make sure you are safe. We shouldn't destroy our economy. I refuse to live in fear. Quite honestly, the government's actions and our compliance without question to the government's actions scare me way worse than the Chinese coronavirus. In the case of a real crisis, where our liberties and freedoms are at stake, will we be so compliant?

It's all about understanding and accepting risks. I've stated this before so forgive me for boring you, but last year 36,000 U.S. citizens died from the flu and nearly 500,000 were hospitalized with the flu. Each year between 20,000 and 80,000 U.S. citizens die from the flu. It is a risk that we accept, much like driving a car, which kills roughly 35,000 U.S. citizens per year. With the Chinese coronavirus, we do not understand the risks so we are unwilling to accept it and in the meantime overreacting and panicking.

For the time being, I am enjoying traveling to work on near empty roads and trains and working quietly in a near empty office.

[erick26]

Originally Posted by Major

Too late. Had an awesome time with no regrets. Went to Mass on Sunday and lunch with friends at Canoe. I have no choice now. The world has stopped. We'll invite friends over to our home to socialize.

I realize there are risks. However, personally, I think it makes sense for persons to be responsible for their own actions. If you are over a certain age, or have a compromised immune system, the responsibility should be on you to make sure you are safe. We shouldn't destroy our economy. I refuse to live in fear. Quite honestly, the government's actions and our compliance without question to the government's actions scare me way worse than the Chinese coronavirus. In the case of a real crisis, where our liberties and freedoms are at stake, will we be so compliant?

It's all about understanding and accepting risks. I've stated this before so forgive me for boring you, but last year 36,000 U.S. citizens died from the flu and nearly 500,000 were hospitalized with the flu. Each year between 20,000 and 80,000 U.S. citizens die from the flu. It is a risk that we accept, much like driving a car, which kills roughly 35,000 U.S. citizens per year. With the Chinese coronavirus, we do not understand the risks so we are unwilling to accept it and in the meantime overreacting and panicking.

For the time being, I am enjoying traveling to work on near empty roads and trains and working quietly in a near empty office.

I truly hope you are right, but for me right now with too much unknown (and slightly decreases immune system), I’m sitting on the sidelines. I just hope everyone’s “ah ha” moment doesn’t come too late. Be safe everyone !


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Major

Too late. Had an awesome time with no regrets. Went to Mass on Sunday and lunch with friends at Canoe. I have no choice now. The world has stopped. We'll invite friends over to our home to socialize.

I realize there are risks. However, personally, I think it makes sense for persons to be responsible for their own actions. If you are over a certain age, or have a compromised immune system, the responsibility should be on you to make sure you are safe. We shouldn't destroy our economy. I refuse to live in fear. Quite honestly, the government's actions and our compliance without question to the government's actions scare me way worse than the Chinese coronavirus. In the case of a real crisis, where our liberties and freedoms are at stake, will we be so compliant?

It's all about understanding and accepting risks. I've stated this before so forgive me for boring you, but last year 36,000 U.S. citizens died from the flu and nearly 500,000 were hospitalized with the flu. Each year between 20,000 and 80,000 U.S. citizens die from the flu. It is a risk that we accept, much like driving a car, which kills roughly 35,000 U.S. citizens per year. With the Chinese coronavirus, we do not understand the risks so we are unwilling to accept it and in the meantime overreacting and panicking.

For the time being, I am enjoying traveling to work on near empty roads and trains and working quietly in a near empty office.

A section from my reading this morning seems apt. Excerpt from Where You'll Find Me: Risk, Decisions, and the Last Climb of Kate Matrosova.

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[Major]

Here is a picture from the Kendall Square T station. Easy commute today into work!

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Major

Here is a picture from the Kendall Square T station. Easy commute today into work!

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Wow, things are going sideways in MA for real!

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[Major]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Wow, things are going sideways in MA for real!

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Yeah, I couldn't get the picture to rotate. It is fine on my desktop but when I uploaded it, it rotated. My apologies. Let me know if you know how to fix it.

[Top-Water]

Here you go.

[Biggd]

The best case outcome is when this has passed all the people that are preaching that we are overreacting can say "I told you so". Let's all pray that this is the the outcome because the alternative is much worse.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Major

Yeah, I couldn't get the picture to rotate. It is fine on my desktop but when I uploaded it, it rotated. My apologies. Let me know if you know how to fix it.

Just messin' with ya. I'm not totally against your way of thinking—remember I was still willing to hit up the boat show if it looked ok. My concern is that the number of cases is looking to be doubling every couple days...even with the restrictions in place.

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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Just messin' with ya. I'm not totally against your way of thinking—remember I was still willing to hit up the boat show if it looked ok. My concern is that the number of cases is looking to be doubling every couple days...even with the restrictions in place.

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The increase in reported cases may be due to more testing, at least in part.


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[webmaster]

Originally Posted by Major

Yeah, I couldn't get the picture to rotate. It is fine on my desktop but when I uploaded it, it rotated. My apologies. Let me know if you know how to fix it.

I've rotated it for you using an image editor. If you're interested here's an article explaining why this happens (usually with cell phone pictures):

https://www.howtogeek.com/254830/why...ectly-rotated/

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Major

Here is a picture from the Kendall Square T station. Easy commute today into work!

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Just curious - do you commute from Laconia to Boston? I've always assumed from your posts you live in Laconia. If you are commuting, my guess is that not only is no one on the T, traffic on 93 is minimal as well.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Just curious - do you commute from Laconia to Boston? I've always assumed from your posts you live in Laconia. If you are commuting, my guess is that not only is no one on the T, traffic on 93 is minimal as well.

Thanks for asking. I live in Laconia. I have an apartment in Cambridge, where my office used to be for 16 years. Our office recently moved to State Street.

My normal routine is that I drive down Monday morning and stay in the apartment Monday-Wednesday, and return home Thursday evening where I work from home on Friday. I have been doing this for 12 years, and the last three I have shared the apartment with my youngest son who also works on State Street.

It's tough, but I make the most of it on weekends. When I'm down here, I'm here to work. The last few days I've had a chance to catch up with the Forum, which as I can tell by the responses to my posts, everyone is thrilled!

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by Major

It's tough, but I make the most of it on weekends. When I'm down here, I'm here to work. The last few days I've had a chance to catch up with the Forum, which as I can tell by the responses to my posts, everyone is thrilled!

Personally, I’m glad you have time to input your thoughts. I may not agree with you, and may even think your positions are crazy, but if everyone had the same point of view the forum would be awfully boring. Keep up the ridiculous comments (sorry, I just had to&#129322



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[Major]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

A section from my reading this morning seems apt. Excerpt from Where You'll Find Me: Risk, Decisions, and the Last Climb of Kate Matrosova.Attachment 15677Attachment 15678

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again, what was our response to the much worse (at least as of right now) H1N1 virus. We did not overreact then and destroy our economy. Did you think that event was mismanaged? Probably not since we did not have the media and social media whipping us into a frenzy.

And you assume that I haven't adapted. That isn't true. We offered our employees the option of working from home on Monday. Since last Thursday (3/12), we surveyed our employees technologies from home, outfitted them with the hardware and software to work from home, and conducted a test of our systems to make sure that it could handle the load. All went well and roughly 3/4 of our staff is working from home. Personally, I chose to work from the office.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Major

And you assume that I haven't adapted. That isn't true. We offered our employees the option of working from home on Monday. Since last Thursday (3/12), we surveyed our employees technologies from home, outfitted them with the hardware and software to work from home, and conducted a test of our systems to make sure that it could handle the load. All went well and roughly 3/4 of our staff is working from home. Personally, I chose to work from the office.

Nice that your business has complied with the recommendations. But with all due respect, you have made it very clear to the group that you have not adapted personally. You noted this on restaurants a day or two ago, and you note it on work today.

[Major]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Nice that your business has complied with the recommendations. But with all due respect, you have made it very clear to the group that you have not adapted personally. You noted this on restaurants a day or two ago, and you note it on work today.

As far as I know, I still have the right to go to work. It is a recommendation only. That may change, however. I heard Tall Deval is speaking right now.

[PENIVISA]

Some people are more selfish than others.
Not being critical,just stating a fact.
Either your part of the problem or part of the solution.
I`m sure there is a grey area were we are sometimes part of one and part of another.
I`m doing my part and waiting for ice out.
Be safe,stay healthy and be kind to one another

[Major]

Originally Posted by PENIVISA

Some people are more selfish than others.
Not being critical,just stating a fact.
Either your part of the problem or part of the solution.
I`m sure there is a grey area were we are sometimes part of one and part of another.
I`m doing my part and waiting for ice out.
Be safe,stay healthy and be kind to one another

I fail to see the selfish part. I have a family. Our business has 50+ employees. We need to process payrolls, regardless of the Chinese coronavirus and the restrictions on our liberties placed on us by our government. As Joey stated, I'm not breaking the law.

I refuse to be scared. This is a complete overreaction in my opinion. As long as I have the RIGHT to go to work, I will. You can label me all you want. You don't want to hear how I would label you.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Major

I refuse to be scared. \

Right there with you. In fact I have been at work every day since this thing broke pulling very long hours. Ironically enough..... there is a good reason for it. I happen to work for a Pharma company that specializes in hosting clinical trials for the big drug companies. Over the past week and a half there have been several of us who have been here engineering and setting up the necessary infrastructure to support 3 new clinical trials for COVID-19 treatments. This required us to be on site to get this done.

This is going to benefit everyone potentially and I'll be damned if I would sit at home and cower in fear when there is work to be done. Many are out there risking exposure to save or help others, and to them all THANK YOU! Our medical professionals and scientists especially are owed a great deal of gratitude for what they do.

[Major]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Right there with you. In fact I have been at work every day since this thing broke pulling very long hours. Ironically enough..... there is a good reason for it. I happen to work for a Pharma company that specializes in hosting clinical trials for the big drug companies. Over the past week and a half there have been several of us who have been here engineering and setting up the necessary infrastructure to support 3 new clinical trials for COVID-19 treatments. This required us to be on site to get this done.

This is going to benefit everyone potentially and I'll be damned if I would sit at home and cower in fear when there is work to be done. Many are out there risking exposure to save or help others, and to them all THANK YOU! Our medical professionals and scientists especially are owed a great deal of gratitude for what they do.

I would thank you, but the thank button is broken!

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by Major

I would thank you, but the thank button is broken!

Just an FYI ...... there is a limit on how much you can use it in one day.


I think it is limited to 4 or 5 times per day.

[TheRoBoat]

Which part? The numbers, or the prediction that CA’s number of infected is going to go up?

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by TheRoBoat

Which part? The numbers, or the prediction that CA’s number of infected is going to go up?

The prediction and you didn't specify which states numbers would significantly increase

[Top-Water]

Gentlmen sincerly I enjoy all of your postings, you all seem to have good souls.

However ....... have a cookie, ... I promise by the the time your done eating it "you will feel right as rain'.




Sadly this whole thing is driving us all nuts. There are valid argumnets on both sides of this.

Like Tic tack toe ,,,,,,, you cant win.

[PENIVISA]

Originally Posted by Major

I fail to see the selfish part. I have a family. Our business has 50+ employees. We need to process payrolls, regardless of the Chinese coronavirus and the restrictions on our liberties placed on us by our government. As Joey stated, I'm not breaking the law.

I refuse to be scared. This is a complete overreaction in my opinion. As long as I have the RIGHT to go to work, I will. You can label me all you want. You don't want to hear how I would label you.

Major,
So I was just stating a fact about people. If the shoe fits wear it.
Show your true colors and label me.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Major

As far as I know, I still have the right to go to work. It is a recommendation only. That may change, however. I heard Tall Deval is speaking right now.

Absolutely you have the right, but that was not the point of Think's thought-provoking post. The point was that different personalities choose different paths when faced with new information/decision points.

I'm not sure if it's ironic or completely predictable that you've now pushed back twice while seeming to have ignored the central idea...which is largely about ignoring...

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Nice that your business has complied with the recommendations. But with all due respect, you have made it very clear to the group that you have not adapted personally. You noted this on restaurants a day or two ago, and you note it on work today.

As far as I know you are under no legal obligation to comply with a recommendation as such Major should not be chastised as he is not breaking the law and if he, which I am pretty sure he is, taking the proper precautions while traveling and at work there should be no issue.

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by joey2665

As far as I know you are under no legal obligation to comply with a recommendation as such Major should not be chastised as he is not breaking the law and if he, which I am pretty sure he is, taking the proper precautions while traveling and at work there should be no issue.

The law v. moral obligation!

Thank you. Major = The man with the unknown name! Love him or hate him!

[Major]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

The law v. moral obligation!

Thank you. Major = The man with the unknown name! Love him or hate him!

I would hope I’m not hated just because I have differing opinions from time to time! By the way, my name is Keith.


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[erick26]

Originally Posted by Major

I would hope I’m not hated just because I have differing opinions from time to time! By the way, my name is Keith.


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Opinions and actions are different - your opinions won’t hurt someone but your actions can


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[Major]

Originally Posted by erick26

Opinions and actions are different - your opinions won’t hurt someone but your actions can


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Do you know for sure? Sounds like an opinion to me.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Major

Do you know for sure? Sounds like an opinion to me.

I'm with you on it being an opinion.

But it is an opinion shared by virtually every medical and political leader in the entire world. This would include Donald Trump, and what I would assume is your favorite TV source, Fox News. Here's an overview of how their opinions have evolved over the past few weeks. You can skip the editorial if you'd like to avoid bias, but the video clips are all facts (i.e. it's a fact that certain people said certain things at certain times).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...8c0_video.html

I look forward to your opinion on their more recent statements

[Major]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I'm with you on it being an opinion.

But it is an opinion shared by virtually every medical and political leader in the entire world. This would include Donald Trump, and what I would assume is your favorite TV source, Fox News. Here's an overview of how their opinions have evolved over the past few weeks. You can skip the editorial if you'd like to avoid bias, but the video clips are all facts (i.e. it's a fact that certain people said certain things at certain times).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...8c0_video.html

I look forward to your opinion on their more recent statements

Unfortunately, our president had no choice. The media and social media has whipped us up into such a frenzy that politically he could not take more metered actions to avoid destroying what otherwise was a booming economy. I'm not sure he really believes it. However, he has to politically.

I am not impressed by the so-called experts, who for the most part are government employees who have a vested interest in making a mountain out of a molehill. I've made the comparison before, but there are so-called experts who say that manmade climate change is an existential threat.

I've asked this many times with absolutely no response. Where was all of the hand waving and hysteria for the much worse H1N1 virus? Don't tell me the Chinese coronavirus is worse, the comparative numbers do not bear it out. Where are the Forum threads demanding that we destroy our economy to save lives.

As stated before by many others, I think we've exhausted this topic. I have my opinion, everyone else has theirs. I am as resolute if not more so than before just as others are with their views. The one good thing from this is that the President's approval rating is skyrocketing, which given the press against him, is a pretty good result. Even political rivals are praising him. I think history will treat him well on this.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Major

Unfortunately, our president had no choice. The media and social media has whipped us up into such a frenzy that politically he could not take more metered actions to avoid destroying what otherwise was a booming economy. I'm not sure he really believes it. However, he has to politically.

I am not impressed by the so-called experts, who for the most part are government employees who have a vested interest in making a mountain out of a molehill. I've made the comparison before, but there are so-called experts who say that manmade climate change is an existential threat.

I've asked this many times with absolutely no response. Where was all of the hand waving and hysteria for the much worse H1N1 virus? Don't tell me the Chinese coronavirus is worse, the comparative numbers do not bear it out. Where are the Forum threads demanding that we destroy our economy to save lives.

As stated before by many others, I think we've exhausted this topic. I have my opinion, everyone else has theirs. I am as resolute if not more so than before just as others are with their views. The one good thing from this is that the President's approval rating is skyrocketing, which given the press against him, is a pretty good result. Even political rivals are praising him. I think history will treat him well on this.

Once again you have evaded the central question of a post that disagrees with you. The link has a series of quotes from Fox news--an organization that has evolved remarkably as new information has come in. I hope you will let us know if you agree with their recent opinions.

[Major]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Once again you have evaded the central question of a post that disagrees with you. The link has a series of quotes from Fox news--an organization that has evolved remarkably as new information has come in. I hope you will let us know if you agree with their recent opinions.

No I don't. There's a lot of money involved in hyping the Chinese coronavirus. They are jumping on the bandwagon.

Now answer my question, where were you and everyone else for the much worse H1N1 virus? Did the fact that we had a savior as president and a complicit press have anything to do with it?

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Major

Unfortunately, our president had no choice. The media and social media has whipped us up into such a frenzy that politically he could not take more metered actions to avoid destroying what otherwise was a booming economy. I'm not sure he really believes it. However, he has to politically.

I am not impressed by the so-called experts, who for the most part are government employees who have a vested interest in making a mountain out of a molehill. I've made the comparison before, but there are so-called experts who say that manmade climate change is an existential threat.

I've asked this many times with absolutely no response. Where was all of the hand waving and hysteria for the much worse H1N1 virus? Don't tell me the Chinese coronavirus is worse, the comparative numbers do not bear it out. Where are the Forum threads demanding that we destroy our economy to save lives.

As stated before by many others, I think we've exhausted this topic. I have my opinion, everyone else has theirs. I am as resolute if not more so than before just as others are with their views. The one good thing from this is that the President's approval rating is skyrocketing, which given the press against him, is a pretty good result. Even political rivals are praising him. I think history will treat him well on this.

So, what you are saying is, we WAIT until covid-19 actually becomes worse than H1N1, THEN we do something about it?

I think this will be what history remembers about Trump...

February 26th, 2020. President Trump: “When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

March 20th, 2020. Confirmed cases in the United States rise to 16,064.

[Major]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

So, what you are saying is, we WAIT until covid-19 actually becomes worse than H1N1, THEN we do something about it?

I think this will be what history remembers about Trump...

February 26th, 2020. President Trump: “When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

March 20th, 2020. Confirmed cases in the United States rise to 16,064.

So the only option we had was to destroy a thriving economy? There was no intermediate, or metered option? I'm no genius, but 16,064 seems to be a lot less than over 1,000,000. Is there any potential that the Chinese coronavirus may be less of a crisis than the H1N1 crisis?

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I'm with you on it being an opinion.

But it is an opinion shared by virtually every medical and political leader in the entire world. This would include Donald Trump, and what I would assume is your favorite TV source, Fox News. Here's an overview of how their opinions have evolved over the past few weeks. You can skip the editorial if you'd like to avoid bias, but the video clips are all facts (i.e. it's a fact that certain people said certain things at certain times).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...8c0_video.html

I look forward to your opinion on their more recent statements

Yep it's just Fox News..... just watch how the rest of the media has remained consistent in their reporting as well. No political agenda on display there either. How ironic the last clip is of the master of objectivity himself Jim Acosta.

https://twitter.com/mrctv/status/1238186498433966081

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Yep it's just Fox News..... just watch how the rest of the media has remained consistent in their reporting as well. No political agenda on display there either. How ironic the last clip is of the master of objectivity himself Jim Acosta.

https://twitter.com/mrctv/status/1238186498433966081

I did not post that just to troll my Fox-ish pen pals on consistency. (I try to refrain from that sort of thing.)

I posted it to push Major and others to recognize that even Fox News asserts that we are in a crisis situation. I hope all of you will come around soon to the current Fox talking points from the video.

[Major]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I did not post that just to troll my Fox-ish pen pals on consistency. (I try to refrain from that sort of thing.)

I posted it to push Major and others to recognize that even Fox News asserts that we are in a crisis situation. I hope all of you will come around soon to the current Fox talking points from the video.

Nope. I’m more resolute than ever. This is completely overkill, especially in New Hampshire.


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Andromeda321

Anyone else doing this in these strange times? My husband and I are now both on remote work for the foreseeable future, and our Internet is good up there, so we are decamping in the next few days to head up to the lake. Now that social distancing is the new trend I can't help but think it's basically what lake life is anyway- go for walks in the woods, kayak, and read a good book without getting within six feet of anyone else!

This is going to also be our first time up there for ice out, so that'll be an interesting point in a spring I'm sure no one is going to forget anytime soon.

What a wonderful option you have! I hope you enjoy it—the way you describe being up there is making me yearn for our season to start, something I don't often do before warmer weather!

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[Andromeda321]

Hah, silly me for not knowing that was the correct place to discuss this!

My thoughts on this is we are both young and two weeks with a flu isn't fun either, but it's not me I'm worried about. I work at a university that just completely shut down and sent the students home with a few days notice (so stressful for them), but I certainly don't want to get anyone ill around me who may get sick. And frankly anyone who looks at reports coming out of the hospitals in Italy, a Western nation with advanced medicine, knows this isn't "just the flu" or "just hysteria." (I also hate when people point to swine flu stats as comparison- they always do so for one year of stats, and we're only three months into this! Let alone non-linear in growth!)

Plus honestly, I don't need much of an excuse to hang out by the lake. Beats sitting in my small apartment getting bored of what's on Netflix any day!

[umbrellapoint]

Andromeda321, ice out is spectacular. Last time I was up for it, the wind kicked up waves underneath the ice and there were massive swells of ice rolling across the broads. One of the most awesome sites I have seen. Enjoy your time up there.

[WinnisquamZ]

I have been practicing social distancing for years, that is why we move here. All be well, this will pass.


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[dippasan]

Originally Posted by Andromeda321

Anyone else doing this in these strange times? My husband and I are now both on remote work for the foreseeable future, and our Internet is good up there, so we are decamping in the next few days to head up to the lake. Now that social distancing is the new trend I can't help but think it's basically what lake life is anyway- go for walks in the woods, kayak, and read a good book without getting within six feet of anyone else!

This is going to also be our first time up there for ice out, so that'll be an interesting point in a spring I'm sure no one is going to forget anytime soon.

Social distancing at the lake is 150'

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by dippasan

Social distancing at the lake is 150'

And ...... includes no wake clause ........

[jeffk]

No worries about "wake" because the lake is still frozen.

[Seaplane Pilot]

https://youtu.be/izQB2-Kmiic


In the year 2525, if man is still alive
If woman can survive, they may find
In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lie
Everything you think, do and say
Is in the pill you took today
In the year 4545
You ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your eyes
You won't find a thing to chew
Nobody's gonna look at you
In the year 5555
Your arms hangin' limp at your sides
Your legs got nothin' to do
Some machine's doin' that for you
In the year 6565
You won't need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long glass tube
In the year 7510
If God's a coming, He oughta make it by then
Maybe He'll look around Himself and say
Guess it's time for the judgment day
In the year 8510
God is gonna shake His mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been
Or tear it down, and start again
In the year 9595
I'm kinda wonderin' if man is gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing
Now it's been ten thousand years
Man has cried a billion tears
For what, he never knew, now man's reign is through
But through eternal night, the twinkling of starlight
So very far away, maybe it's only yesterday
In the year 2525, if man is still alive
If woman can survive, they may find

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

https://youtu.be/izQB2-Kmiic


In the year 2525, if man is still alive
If woman can survive, they may find
In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lie
Everything you think, do and say
Is in the pill you took today
In the year 4545
You ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your eyes
You won't find a thing to chew
Nobody's gonna look at you
In the year 5555
Your arms hangin' limp at your sides
Your legs got nothin' to do
Some machine's doin' that for you
In the year 6565
You won't need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long glass tube
In the year 7510
If God's a coming, He oughta make it by then
Maybe He'll look around Himself and say
Guess it's time for the judgment day
In the year 8510
God is gonna shake His mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been
Or tear it down, and start again
In the year 9595
I'm kinda wonderin' if man is gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing
Now it's been ten thousand years
Man has cried a billion tears
For what, he never knew, now man's reign is through
But through eternal night, the twinkling of starlight
So very far away, maybe it's only yesterday
In the year 2525, if man is still alive
If woman can survive, they may find

Zager and Evans wrote and performed that “one hit wonder” song...did you know that Denny Zager (long retired from performing) has his own line of hand made guitars, made in the USA?
Check out Zager “easy play” Guitars...I own one and they are very nice with great playability due to the mods and adaptations that Zager builds them with.

[The Real BigGuy]

What is “Chinese” coronavirus? Oh, that’s right, a “true believer” needs to mimic the words of the “great” leader or get drummed out of the corps.


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[Major]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

What is “Chinese” coronavirus? Oh, that’s right, a “true believer” needs to mimic the words of the “great” leader or get drummed out of the corps.


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Where did it originate? I take my cues from the left. I like to label things.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

What is “Chinese” coronavirus? Oh, that’s right, a “true believer” needs to mimic the words of the “great” leader or get drummed out of the corps.


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Sorry, big guy...as long as people like you and the fake news, and the lying, corrupt, deranged and triggered, left keep harping on people to adopt the absurdity of political correctness, we will say what we feel we need and want to say. That, and it's fun to watch liberal heads explode when we do.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

What is “Chinese” coronavirus? Oh, that’s right, a “true believer” needs to mimic the words of the “great” leader or get drummed out of the corps.


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He's like a parrot perched on the shoulder of the President.