Buying a Jetski

Island Girl · 03-07-2006, 08:51 AM

While this may seem early... I want to shop now. What considerations should one have is chosing a brand and model? I will want something large with storage.

Why did you pick your model? What should I watch out for, look for? Why one brand over another. What new technology is a must have.

Since I want a 3-4 seater (a boat) do they have running lights? etc, etc.

Since I don't know what I don't know... all suggestions are appreciated.

Think Ice-out
IG

Woodsy · 03-07-2006, 09:11 AM

IG...

I would definitely go 4 stroke... they are environmentally better and no 2-stroke smell. To my knowledge they don't come with running lights but you can add them.

Woodsy

chipj29 · 03-07-2006, 09:23 AM

Hello IG,
I have a Sea Doo GTX Limited. It is a 1999, and is a 3-seater. I recommend a larger jet ski for a few reasons. One is that it will handle better, and is easier to board both on the dock and in the water, as it is more stable. Another reason is that in NH, a jet ski with more than 2 seats is classified as a boat, which means that you could use it on a body of water that jet skis are not allowed. You have to get a special sticker from DMV for that. All the 3+ seaters have tons of storage, I know mine does. No PWCs that I know of have running lights of any kind, and are restricted to daytime use only.

I believe all the manufacturers offer a 4-stroke motor, which are much easier on gas than the 2-strokes. I would go with that if you can afford it. Personally I own a Sea Doo, and 3 friends also own Sea Doos (same size) and none of us have had any kind of problems. I have another friend who has owned 2 Kawasakis, and had no probs with either. I know one person with a Honda, and has had no probs. I do know of someone who owned a Polaris and had mulitple probs. That would be the manufacturer that I would avoid.

If I can answer any other questions, please let me know! I could go on and on with this subject!

Chip

BTW, I love mine!!

billhurley · 03-07-2006, 09:26 AM

I would stick to the 4 stroke as Woodsy said. It leaves less to chance. I like the Kawasaki myself. I owned a 2003 STX 12F 2 years ago and loved it. I am in the process of buying it back. Most newer machines have good storage. A rear step is helpful. If you are going to tube or ski make sure you get a 3 seater.

They don't put running lights on because they are not allowed on the lake after dusk.

Bill

Bear Islander · 03-07-2006, 11:19 AM

I would argue for a four stroke as well.

The biggest headache with a pwc is getting it serviced. If you are on the island and it will not run you tow it to a ramp, get it on the trailer and bring it back where you bought it. Then they tell you how many weeks till they can look at it.

Its not like getting a boat repaired, most marinas will not even look at a pwc. The more complex models have on-board computers that can only be accessed by authorized dealers.

Woodsy · 03-07-2006, 11:36 AM

Bear Islander has a great point....

Choose your dealer wisely!

Buying local to the lake might not get you the best price, but will probably insure pretty good service. I have had great luck getting my sleds serviced at HK Powersports in Laconia. I never had to wait more than a few days. PWC's might be a bit different.

Woodsy

Merrymeeting · 03-07-2006, 11:41 AM

IG,

We have owed a 4-stroke SeaDoo for 2 years now. I'd recommend the 4-stroke for several reasons,

they are much quieter than the 2 strokes. Newer models are as quiet as a boat
they usually have closed cooling systems (antifreeze) so winterization is a lot easier
as mentioned, the pollution element is a lot less

As with boats, the issues are mostly with the users and not the machine. You won't find ours doing donuts off someones dock (we do them, just go out to the middle of a large area before doing so).

Send me a PM if you would like more info on where we got it, etc.

CHSLTD · 03-07-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsy

Bear Islander has a great point....

Choose your dealer wisely!

Buying local to the lake might not get you the best price, but will probably insure pretty good service. I have had great luck getting my sleds serviced at HK Power sports in Laconia. I never had to wait more than a few days. PWC's might be a bit different.

Woodsy

We have had great service at HK in Laconia. I say four stroke because you will want to explore all the small coves and places that you may not want to go in a full sized boat. All that idling on a two stroke makes for lots of smoke and can foul spark plugs. Four strokes are quiet clean and better on fuel.

SIKSUKR · 03-08-2006, 01:54 PM

Please ignore Waukewanderer's inflammatory post.I for one only own a PWC and have almost never spun around in circles.I use it as a boat.I have a Yamaha XL 1200 that is 5 years old and has been absolutely flawless.It is a 2-stroke but has oil injection which greatly reduces emmisions into the lake.If I can find the article on the comparison between modern 2-strokes and 4-strokes I will post it here.There was very little difference between emisions in the new 2-strokes.Having said that,I will probably buy a 4-stroke because they are finally getting close in performance to the 2-strokes,mainly the out-of-the-water power and they are quieter.A couple friends have the Yamaha 4-stroke high output and I love the way it rides.My 3 person has plenty of storage.Under my seat I can actually store a soft cooler that will hold a case of beverages.Under that in the engine comparment,there's more storage for x-tras like anchors,dock lines,and tools.The front compartment holds even more than the rear.I use it for dry storage.Best of all,I believe I get about 3 miles or better per gallon.Just remember ALL PWC OPERATORS ARE NOT ABOUT RUNNING IN CIRCLES!!

CHSLTD · 03-08-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Please ignore Waukewanderer's inflammatory post.I for one only own a PWC and have almost never spun around in circles.I use it as a boat.I have a Yamaha XL 1200 that is 5 years old and has been absolutely flawless.It is a 2-stroke but has oil injection which greatly reduces emmisions into the lake.If I can find the article on the comparison between modern 2-strokes and 4-strokes I will post it here.There was very little difference between emisions in the new 2-strokes.Having said that,I will probably buy a 4-stroke because they are finally getting close in performance to the 2-strokes,mainly the out-of-the-water power and they are quieter.A couple friends have the Yamaha 4-stroke high output and I love the way it rides.My 3 person has plenty of storage.Under my seat I can actually store a soft cooler that will hold a case of beverages.Under that in the engine comparment,there's more storage for x-tras like anchors,dock lines,and tools.The front compartment holds even more than the rear.I use it for dry storage.Best of all,I believe I get about 3 miles or better per gallon.Just remember ALL PWC OPERATORS ARE NOT ABOUT RUNNING IN CIRCLES!!

Thanks for sticking up for the riders that are responsible....

Dave R · 03-08-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

ALL PWC OPERATORS ARE NOT ABOUT RUNNING IN CIRCLES!!

You know, not to argue with you, but if people want to make circles on their jetskis, why should we even care? It's as arbitrarily silly as strapping your feet to a board, getting towed by a boat and turning back and forth over and over again. Don;t see many people complaining about that. I am not a jet skier nor am I anti-jet ski. As long as they are not breaking any laws, I say let 'em make circles and have fun.

ITD · 03-08-2006, 06:40 PM

I have two Sea doos, one is the gtx rfi and the other is a GTX 4-tec supercharged. Both are three seaters, the rfi is a fuel injected 2 stroke and is very clean, does not smoke or smell bad. The 4-tec is a 4 stroke with a supercharger. Both have their advantages. The 4 stroke is heavy and tends to smooth out the ride. The 2 stroke is lighter and while it does not ride as smooth it is dryer in rough water.

I suggest you test drive before you buy, I'll tell you on a 70 degree day with the wind blowing I will opt for the dryer ride. I also agree with the local dealer advice. I bought my 4 stroke from Chuck at Dasylva (? sp) in Moultonboro. I did shop around and his price was the best or very close to the best, I don't remember. Service there is excellent.

Good luck.

codeman671 · 03-08-2006, 08:11 PM

I have owned numerous pwc over the years, I actually just sold the two that I had. Sea Doo makes a great 4 stroke machine however when they break it is not cheap...2 strokes are easier to fix and typically cheaper to maintain (no oil changes for instance) but they are louder and smell.

I think that the Yamaha hulls are a drier ride but not as responsive as the Sea Doo. It is a shame that Polaris got out of the pwc business, the MSX was a great machine, made both in a fuel injected 2 stroke that used eco-friendly oil (similar to vegetable oil for injection) or charged 4 stroke.

Aquadeziac · 03-08-2006, 08:21 PM

Polaris will still have a service and parts network for many years (just as Tigersharks are today). There are tons of outstanding deals on Polaris out there (They actually released their 05s before ceasing prodiction) There are new 05 Polaris' all with factory warranties available. I have a Polaris and a SeaDoo, both have their pros and cons, both great machines.

Rattlesnake Gal · 03-09-2006, 09:28 AM

Do the four-stroke engines last longer than the two-stroke engines?
Another question - where to keep it - mooring or lift?
Most seem to be on lifts. Is it just more convenient or is being in the water long term a problem for PWCs?
If you go with a lift, electric verses manual – which is better?

Good luck on your new sport IG. You’re going to have fun!

Island Girl · 03-09-2006, 09:52 AM

Your's is a beauty.

ITD · 03-09-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

Do the four-stroke engines last longer than the two-stroke engines?

Not sure, maintenance is key, especially before storage. My 2 stroke is a 2001 and still runs like brand new. The 4 stroke is a 2003 and still runs like brand new.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

Another question - where to keep it - mooring or lift?
Most seem to be on lifts. Is it just more convenient or is being in the water long term a problem for PWCs?
If you go with a lift, electric verses manual – which is better?

I went with a lift. Keeps the PWC in much nicer condition IMO. Moored PWCs show much more corrosion. Also buy a cover if the dealer doesn't throw one in, it'll keep your PWC looking like brand new.

My lift is a manual, but it does take a little muscle to lift the 4 stroke (which weighs almost 1000 lbs).

SIKSUKR · 03-09-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

Do the four-stroke engines last longer than the two-stroke engines?
Another question - where to keep it - mooring or lift?
Most seem to be on lifts. Is it just more convenient or is being in the water long term a problem for PWCs?
If you go with a lift, electric verses manual – which is better?

Good luck on your new sport IG. You’re going to have fun!

You never really hear about pwc motors failing with age.Most failures can be attributed to improper maintenance.4-strokes have not been around enough to compare engine life between the two in my opinion.Being in the water fulltime has the same downside as any other boat,that being algae growth on the hull and the thrashing one might be subjected to from wave action.The manual lifts are priced right and work just fine.I trailer my pwc,but if I kept it in the lake I would have it on a lift.Certainly electric would be easier but the manual lift is easy to use.

HotDog · 03-09-2006, 06:19 PM

IG
i would go for a sea doo. to see more on sea doos visit ww.boattest.com..very good movies and they go through everything

hotdog

trfour · 03-10-2006, 01:41 PM

Hi IG,

If it means anything, been a mechanic since I was six years old. Adjusted the valves on my brother's 1934 chevy in the driveway at our home in North Andover MA when I was six.

Hot Dog's got it right. Sea Doo was ( if not the first manufacturers ), one of the first PWC's put on the market here in the US by Bombardier. I have owned, and many friends have owned Sea Doos and Ski Doos and they are the class of the field, in my humble oppinion.

http://www.seadoo.com/en-US/Watercrafts/

I'd rather see you on a Sea Doo.

Love,
T.

Rayhunt · 03-21-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by trfour

I'd rather see you on a Sea Doo

Sea Doo's are great , not knocking them but Kawasaki was first with the 300 stand up.. Heck I think Suzuki had the wet bike before I ever saw a sit down Doo

trfour · 03-21-2006, 11:30 PM

Hi Rayhunt,

Follow the link below, read the top paragraph, right it down and get back to me.

http://www.pwia.org/faqs/background.html

T.

Cobalt · 03-22-2006, 08:27 AM

Hi Island Girl. I owned three, two-stroke, 2000 Sea-Doo GTX machines and had very good luck with them. I now own two 2004 Sea-Doo 4-stroke machines.

Comparing the two, the new 4-stoke machines run cleaner, and have closed cooling systems. They start much easier than the two-stroke versions, and are fun to ride. I would not buy another two-stroke personal water craft. Although, I believe the maintenance costs are high on the 4-stroke models. Oil changes, filters, etc.

The March/April 2006 edition of Watercraft World reviewed two flagship models offered from Honda, Kawasaki, Sea-Doo, and Yamaha. The article answers many of your questions with full specifications.

If you decide on Sea-Doo, I recommend you call daSilva Motorsports in Moultonboro and talk to Chuck. They are very accomodative in picking up and delivering machines. Good Luck.

Rayhunt · 03-22-2006, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by trfour

Hi Rayhunt,

Follow the link below, read the top paragraph, right it down and get back to me.

http://www.pwia.org/faqs/background.html

T.

Yup like I said Kawi had the first commercially succesful stand up that started the whole craze.. The Bombadier product was not

Rayhunt · 03-22-2006, 08:54 AM

Heres an interesting link about the old seadoos
http://www.oldseadoos.com/

trfour · 03-22-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayhunt

Sea Doo's are great , not knocking them but Kawasaki was first with the 300 stand up.. Heck I think Suzuki had the wet bike before I ever saw a sit down Doo

This is your statement above. ^^^

The facts very clearly state; " Bombardier Recreational Products, known for its Ski-Doo snowmobiles, introduced a craft in the late 1960s with limited success. THIS CRAFT GETS CREDIT FOR BEING THE FIRST", and I say again, "THE FIRST SIT-DOWN STYLE PWC."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to scare you away, still wet behind the ears, stick around you came to the right place, and just maybe You will learn something....

WT-RXT · 03-23-2006, 11:16 AM

Disregard the sarcastic rude response from the KNUCKLEHEAD.

I recommend a Seadoo 3 person 4 stroke. They are quieter and pollute much less than 2 stroke. Also, the Seadoo storage is much larger than most.

As with any boat, storage out of the water is best.

Also, the Seadoo 4 stroke has internal engine cooling (closed loop), the way to go.

Seadoo also holds value better than most.

Island Girl · 03-23-2006, 11:20 AM

I am going for the SeaDoo GTX 4 stroke. I would of course like the higher models but think the lower horsepower will be cheaper to run... unless you more knowledgeable people can tell me otherwise.

IG

trfour · 03-23-2006, 12:16 PM

I think that you will be very happy with it.

I need to thank WT-RXT for his input.... Also, I would like to try and clear up some questions from RG, if I may.

First; PLEASE read and understand your owners manual. The infomation contained therein is most valueable to the safe operation. Any further questions you may have can be answered by your dealer, or feel free to come out here and ask them as there is a great wealth of folks that will also help you, and give you the right scoop!

As others have mentioned, for the longjevety and trouble free riding pleasure, maintainance is key. therefore one should keep in mind that any internal combustion engine has to have the following;

1. Keep the fuel clean and free of any sediments or water as if water is ingested into the cylinder, water does not compress, and serious engine dammage could result.

2 Keep the intake air clean, and free of water, for the same reason stated obove.

3. Last, but not least, keep the oil clean.

4. Allow engine warm up, before riding.

The obove applies to both 2 and 4 stroke engines, and with these 4 easy steps, they can run trouble free indefinately.

Hope this helps.

PS- My next snowmobile, or PWC will be four stroke powered. Also it will match my golf handicap! Are you listening out there Uppy?

Love,
T.

Woodsy · 03-23-2006, 01:17 PM

Island Girl...

I would go with the bigger motor... the cost of operation will not be that much more. But the smaller motor will signifigantly affect resale value.

Woodsy

gtxrider · 03-23-2006, 01:22 PM

Congratulations you have come over to the dark side! Riding a PWC is almost like riding a motorcycle with out the road rash.

As for big motors the GTX 4 TEC or the Limited with the super charger use the same ROTAX engine. It is about 1500CCs and 155 HP with out the blower 215 HP with the super charger. They don't come any bigger displacement wise.

I am sending a copy of a PWC magazine that has most of the 2006 models with gh*, if she remembers it.

Rayhunt · 03-23-2006, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trfour

This is your statement above. ^^^

The facts very clearly state; " Bombardier Recreational Products, known for its Ski-Doo snowmobiles, introduced a craft in the late 1960s with limited success. THIS CRAFT GETS CREDIT FOR BEING THE FIRST", and I say again, "THE FIRST SIT-DOWN STYLE PWC."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to scare you away, still wet behind the ears, stick around you came to the right place, and just maybe You will learn something....

Ive forgot more than you will ever know about pwc's

chipj29 · 03-24-2006, 01:07 PM

Island Girl, if I may suggest something, please consider joining the American Watercraft Association. They are strong advocates for us PWC owners. Your $24 annual membership includes a subscription to their magazine Ride.

And that goes out to the otherr PWC owners here as well...please join AWA, they look out for YOU!

www.awahq.org

Chip

gtxrider · 03-24-2006, 01:43 PM

As they say beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder!

Captain Zipper · 03-25-2006, 07:17 PM

What are the prices now for the 3 seat, 4 strokes with the bigger motors?

What about the cost for insurance for them?

chipj29 · 03-25-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Zipper

What are the prices now for the 3 seat, 4 strokes with the bigger motors?

What about the cost for insurance for them?

Zipper, take a look at this website, www.getamotorcycle.com There are jet skis listed there from muliple dealers throughout New England. You can get a good idea of prices on there.
As far as insurance goes, price depends more on who you insure with rather than the boat. Check out www.watercraftinsurance.com I got a real good price through them, less than $200/year.

WT-RXT · 03-26-2006, 05:37 PM

Anyone interested in a Seadoo 4 stroke might want to consider an RXT (3 seater) 215 HP. The fastest 3 seater on the market. They list for $11,499 but can be had for $9,999 from "Xtremepowersports.com". They are located about 20 miles south of Albany NY, an easy drive from the Mass Pike.

Some might be hesitant to purchase from an out of town dealer when attempting to seek local service. However, you can establish a relationhip with a local dealer buy purchasing all your accessories such as vests and other items. Just like auto dealers there is profit in service, so they should be happy for your business.

gtxrider · 03-26-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Zipper

What are the prices now for the 3 seat, 4 strokes with the bigger motors?

What about the cost for insurance for them?

On the low end the Kawasaki 1STX-12F lists for $7,999 1199 CC Ninja based engine and the top end Sea Doo GTX Limited lists for $13,299... Thes are not classified as muscle craft. Sea Doo also has the GTI with a smaller 4TEC in the high $7K if you can do without the bells and whistles. Check out the manufactures web sites to get a base line on prices.

Insurance is not that expensive relatively speaking! Shop around for the best price.

WT-RXT · 03-26-2006, 08:21 PM

Insurance is cheap, shop around. It's cheaper if you have had prior boating experience. I go through Progressive for $175 yr.

Also, if you live in NH, and buy out of state, like I recommended from Xtreme Powersports, you do not pay sales tax.

Excalibur · 03-29-2006, 01:13 PM

I purchased a 4 stroke 3 person Kawasaki from HK Powersports in Laconia 2 yrs ago. I was very happy with the price and I have not needed any service besides winterization yet. Also it is quieter then most boats on the lake.

I would like to reccomend that you purchase a lift with the PWC. I have found that PWC's and docks and lines do not mix well. You could build a ramp with a winch or purchase a lift to take the PWC out of the water. This will prevent corrosion in the jet and save it from scratches and dings from heavy weather at the dock.

You will be able to experience the lake in a whole different way on a PWC. I ended up going places that I havent ventured in years in my power boat. They are very economical to run and fun on a hot summers day.

As always on the big lake, watch the weather and bring a change of clothes. You will get wet...

SPANKY · 03-30-2006, 11:20 AM

IG, I am selling a 2003 polaris MSX 140, with trailer, cover, jackets, anchor in great condition for $5500. gotta make room for the new boat!! send me a pm if you want more details.

GTO · 03-30-2006, 02:01 PM

Also, no matter what machine you buy, always be careful of docklines. Your machine will suck them up and get wrapped around the impeller...quite a mess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Excalibur

I purchased a 4 stroke 3 person Kawasaki from HK Powersports in Laconia 2 yrs ago. I was very happy with the price and I have not needed any service besides winterization yet. Also it is quieter then most boats on the lake.

I would like to reccomend that you purchase a lift with the PWC. I have found that PWC's and docks and lines do not mix well. You could build a ramp with a winch or purchase a lift to take the PWC out of the water. This will prevent corrosion in the jet and save it from scratches and dings from heavy weather at the dock.

You will be able to experience the lake in a whole different way on a PWC. I ended up going places that I havent ventured in years in my power boat. They are very economical to run and fun on a hot summers day.

As always on the big lake, watch the weather and bring a change of clothes. You will get wet...

onthebay · 04-04-2006, 10:01 AM

Since most of you have jetskis I thought you would have some experience with the process.
I just bought a jetski and it came with a Roll and Go dock http://www.roll-n-go.com/ It is model PWC. I plan on putting it on my beach.
Do I need a dock permit for this? Does it need a sticker like a mooring? Is it treated like a seasonal dock ?
Thanks

Aquadeziac · 04-05-2006, 12:12 PM

As long as you drag it totally up on the beach and none of it touches water you need nothing. I run into this when I keep my PWC at a friends cottage. Same holds true for PWC lifts. As long as it is up out of the water, you need no permits. But if you only drag it halfway out of the water the MP will be paying you a visit.

fasttech · 04-06-2006, 03:08 PM

Irwin Marine in Alton sells Seadoo's, If I was to buy another watercraft I would buy it from a marina not a bike shop where they are more concerned about taking care of their main money maker (bikes) no rush on a boat or watercraft.
Keep in mind that a Seadoo has a learning key that limits the speed untill you are ready for full speed and they also have off power assisted steering (like a rudder on each side). Good luck

jetskier · 04-06-2006, 04:03 PM

I just wanted to add a couple of points:

First, if you drag the jetski up onto the beach, there are a couple of things to be aware of. There are always waves on the lake (in the traveled sections) and you might find your jetski moving into the water or cast adrift. It needs to be well up on the beach. Second, you will get sand into your intake and should take care to get it out before starting the craft. Sand does not help impellers and can clog water intake (on 2 cycle craft). Sooo...the lift is generally a better choice.

If you do have a Sea Doo with the DSS key, do not leave it plugged into the craft when you are not using it, battery drain becomes an issue.

Have fun and boat safe

Jetskier

jetskier · 04-06-2006, 04:30 PM

Hi all,

Sorry about the late entry into this discussion, but I have been summerizing my jetski. Actually, not yet.

The invention of the jetski is credited to Clayton Jacobsen. He was a motocross rider who reasoned that falling off a motorcycle was considerably more painful than falling off something going fast in water.

The original jetski prototypes were based upon an aluminum hull and fixed handle pole. Clayton did work on an adjustable handle pole; but never got anything really to market. In the early 70s he licensed his designs to Kawasaki and they produced the first commercial models. The original model was based upon a 400 cc engine. There is a good article on all this at the following link:

http://www.watercraftworld.com/output.cfm?id=151543

Kawasaki introduced their standup into the market in 1973:

http://www.kawasaki.ca/museum_pwc.html

My recollection is that there was a falling out between Jacobsen and Kawasaki and he litigated them (without success).

Sea-Doo claims to have introduced the first sit down models into the market during the period of 1968 to 1970:

http://www.seadoo.com/en-US/Watercra...a-Doo/History/

So, the way I read the chronology. Jacobsen gets credit for the first jetski in the mid 60s but never reaches commercial viability. Sea-Doo introduces the first commercial jetski (sit down) in 1968 and Kawasaki introduces the first standup (based upon Jacobsen's designs) in 1973.

Maybe it is time to just go riding

My first jetski was a Kawasaki 650 SX...don't see many standups on the lake anymore.

Regards,
Jetskier

gtxrider · 04-07-2006, 11:13 AM

My first ride on a "jetski" was a stand up model but to start one needed to lay on the BLASTED thing until enough speed to be stable. If done wrong it caused pain as the jet blasted water.

Kawaski had the stand up and Sea Doo had a sit down.

I remember a yellow SeaDoo back in the 70s

ossipeeboater · 04-10-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fasttech

Irwin Marine in Alton sells Seadoo's, If I was to buy another watercraft I would buy it from a marina not a bike shop where they are more concerned about taking care of their main money maker (bikes) no rush on a boat or watercraft.
Keep in mind that a Seadoo has a learning key that limits the speed untill you are ready for full speed and they also have off power assisted steering (like a rudder on each side). Good luck

I bought my 2 used at DaSilvas and unfortunately caused myself an issue with a tow line a few weeks later on 1. I dropped it at Chucks on a monday morning with no phone call before they opened and by the time I called him at 10 it was in the service bay and they were working on it. I can't recommend Chuck enough he remembers who you are and takes care of you unlike some of the other dealers I have dealt with.

03-07-2006, 08:51 AM	#1
Island Girl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Central MA Posts: 2,352 Thanks: 18 Thanked 535 Times in 179 Posts	Buying a Jetski While this may seem early... I want to shop now. What considerations should one have is chosing a brand and model? I will want something large with storage. Why did you pick your model? What should I watch out for, look for? Why one brand over another. What new technology is a must have. Since I want a 3-4 seater (a boat) do they have running lights? etc, etc. Since I don't know what I don't know... all suggestions are appreciated. Think Ice-out IG __________________ Island Girl ....... Make Lemonade

03-07-2006, 09:11 AM	#2
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,966 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	IG... I would definitely go 4 stroke... they are environmentally better and no 2-stroke smell. To my knowledge they don't come with running lights but you can add them. Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

03-07-2006, 11:36 AM	#6
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,966 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	Bear Islander has a great point.... Choose your dealer wisely! Buying local to the lake might not get you the best price, but will probably insure pretty good service. I have had great luck getting my sleds serviced at HK Powersports in Laconia. I never had to wait more than a few days. PWC's might be a bit different. Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

03-07-2006, 11:41 AM	#7
Merrymeeting Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Merrymeeting Lake, New Durham Posts: 2,226 Thanks: 302 Thanked 800 Times in 368 Posts	IG, We have owed a 4-stroke SeaDoo for 2 years now. I'd recommend the 4-stroke for several reasons, they are much quieter than the 2 strokes. Newer models are as quiet as a boat they usually have closed cooling systems (antifreeze) so winterization is a lot easier as mentioned, the pollution element is a lot less As with boats, the issues are mostly with the users and not the machine. You won't find ours doing donuts off someones dock (we do them, just go out to the middle of a large area before doing so). Send me a PM if you would like more info on where we got it, etc.

03-08-2006, 01:54 PM	#9
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Please ignore Waukewanderer's inflammatory post.I for one only own a PWC and have almost never spun around in circles.I use it as a boat.I have a Yamaha XL 1200 that is 5 years old and has been absolutely flawless.It is a 2-stroke but has oil injection which greatly reduces emmisions into the lake.If I can find the article on the comparison between modern 2-strokes and 4-strokes I will post it here.There was very little difference between emisions in the new 2-strokes.Having said that,I will probably buy a 4-stroke because they are finally getting close in performance to the 2-strokes,mainly the out-of-the-water power and they are quieter.A couple friends have the Yamaha 4-stroke high output and I love the way it rides.My 3 person has plenty of storage.Under my seat I can actually store a soft cooler that will hold a case of beverages.Under that in the engine comparment,there's more storage for x-tras like anchors,dock lines,and tools.The front compartment holds even more than the rear.I use it for dry storage.Best of all,I believe I get about 3 miles or better per gallon.Just remember ALL PWC OPERATORS ARE NOT ABOUT RUNNING IN CIRCLES!! __________________ SIKSUKR

03-07-2006, 09:23 AM	#3
chipj29 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bow Posts: 1,874 Thanks: 521 Thanked 308 Times in 162 Posts	Hello IG, I have a Sea Doo GTX Limited. It is a 1999, and is a 3-seater. I recommend a larger jet ski for a few reasons. One is that it will handle better, and is easier to board both on the dock and in the water, as it is more stable. Another reason is that in NH, a jet ski with more than 2 seats is classified as a boat, which means that you could use it on a body of water that jet skis are not allowed. You have to get a special sticker from DMV for that. All the 3+ seaters have tons of storage, I know mine does. No PWCs that I know of have running lights of any kind, and are restricted to daytime use only. I believe all the manufacturers offer a 4-stroke motor, which are much easier on gas than the 2-strokes. I would go with that if you can afford it. Personally I own a Sea Doo, and 3 friends also own Sea Doos (same size) and none of us have had any kind of problems. I have another friend who has owned 2 Kawasakis, and had no probs with either. I know one person with a Honda, and has had no probs. I do know of someone who owned a Polaris and had mulitple probs. That would be the manufacturer that I would avoid. If I can answer any other questions, please let me know! I could go on and on with this subject! Chip BTW, I love mine!!

03-07-2006, 09:26 AM	#4
billhurley Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: St. Augustine FL. Posts: 86 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I would stick to the 4 stroke as Woodsy said. It leaves less to chance. I like the Kawasaki myself. I owned a 2003 STX 12F 2 years ago and loved it. I am in the process of buying it back. Most newer machines have good storage. A rear step is helpful. If you are going to tube or ski make sure you get a 3 seater. They don't put running lights on because they are not allowed on the lake after dusk. Bill

03-07-2006, 11:19 AM	#5
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	I would argue for a four stroke as well. The biggest headache with a pwc is getting it serviced. If you are on the island and it will not run you tow it to a ramp, get it on the trailer and bring it back where you bought it. Then they tell you how many weeks till they can look at it. Its not like getting a boat repaired, most marinas will not even look at a pwc. The more complex models have on-board computers that can only be accessed by authorized dealers.

03-08-2006, 06:40 PM	#12
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,928 Thanks: 476 Thanked 691 Times in 387 Posts	I have two Sea doos, one is the gtx rfi and the other is a GTX 4-tec supercharged. Both are three seaters, the rfi is a fuel injected 2 stroke and is very clean, does not smoke or smell bad. The 4-tec is a 4 stroke with a supercharger. Both have their advantages. The 4 stroke is heavy and tends to smooth out the ride. The 2 stroke is lighter and while it does not ride as smooth it is dryer in rough water. I suggest you test drive before you buy, I'll tell you on a 70 degree day with the wind blowing I will opt for the dryer ride. I also agree with the local dealer advice. I bought my 4 stroke from Chuck at Dasylva (? sp) in Moultonboro. I did shop around and his price was the best or very close to the best, I don't remember. Service there is excellent. Good luck.

03-08-2006, 08:11 PM	#13
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,498 Thanks: 221 Thanked 812 Times in 488 Posts	I have owned numerous pwc over the years, I actually just sold the two that I had. Sea Doo makes a great 4 stroke machine however when they break it is not cheap...2 strokes are easier to fix and typically cheaper to maintain (no oil changes for instance) but they are louder and smell. I think that the Yamaha hulls are a drier ride but not as responsive as the Sea Doo. It is a shame that Polaris got out of the pwc business, the MSX was a great machine, made both in a fuel injected 2 stroke that used eco-friendly oil (similar to vegetable oil for injection) or charged 4 stroke.

03-08-2006, 08:21 PM	#14
Aquadeziac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Concord NH Posts: 239 Thanks: 19 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Polaris will still have a service and parts network for many years (just as Tigersharks are today). There are tons of outstanding deals on Polaris out there (They actually released their 05s before ceasing prodiction) There are new 05 Polaris' all with factory warranties available. I have a Polaris and a SeaDoo, both have their pros and cons, both great machines. __________________ "He who dies with the most toys wins"

03-09-2006, 09:28 AM	#15
Rattlesnake Gal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central NH Posts: 5,252 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,451 Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts	Questions, Questions... Do the four-stroke engines last longer than the two-stroke engines? Another question - where to keep it - mooring or lift? Most seem to be on lifts. Is it just more convenient or is being in the water long term a problem for PWCs? If you go with a lift, electric verses manual – which is better? Good luck on your new sport IG. You’re going to have fun!

03-09-2006, 09:52 AM	#16
Island Girl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Central MA Posts: 2,352 Thanks: 18 Thanked 535 Times in 179 Posts	RG what make and model do you have Your's is a beauty. __________________ Island Girl ....... Make Lemonade

03-09-2006, 06:19 PM	#19
HotDog Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	go here IG i would go for a sea doo. to see more on sea doos visit ww.boattest.com..very good movies and they go through everything hotdog __________________ live today like you wont live tomorrow

03-10-2006, 01:41 PM	#20
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Rather, a Sea Doo Hi IG, If it means anything, been a mechanic since I was six years old. Adjusted the valves on my brother's 1934 chevy in the driveway at our home in North Andover MA when I was six. Hot Dog's got it right. Sea Doo was ( if not the first manufacturers ), one of the first PWC's put on the market here in the US by Bombardier. I have owned, and many friends have owned Sea Doos and Ski Doos and they are the class of the field, in my humble oppinion. http://www.seadoo.com/en-US/Watercrafts/ I'd rather see you on a Sea Doo. Love, T. __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

03-21-2006, 11:30 PM	#22
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Hi Rayhunt, Follow the link below, read the top paragraph, right it down and get back to me. http://www.pwia.org/faqs/background.html T. __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

03-22-2006, 08:27 AM	#23
Cobalt Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 130 Thanks: 70 Thanked 33 Times in 25 Posts	Personal Water Crafts Hi Island Girl. I owned three, two-stroke, 2000 Sea-Doo GTX machines and had very good luck with them. I now own two 2004 Sea-Doo 4-stroke machines. Comparing the two, the new 4-stoke machines run cleaner, and have closed cooling systems. They start much easier than the two-stroke versions, and are fun to ride. I would not buy another two-stroke personal water craft. Although, I believe the maintenance costs are high on the 4-stroke models. Oil changes, filters, etc. The March/April 2006 edition of Watercraft World reviewed two flagship models offered from Honda, Kawasaki, Sea-Doo, and Yamaha. The article answers many of your questions with full specifications. If you decide on Sea-Doo, I recommend you call daSilva Motorsports in Moultonboro and talk to Chuck. They are very accomodative in picking up and delivering machines. Good Luck.

03-22-2006, 08:54 AM	#25
Rayhunt Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gilford NH Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Oldseadoos Heres an interesting link about the old seadoos http://www.oldseadoos.com/

03-23-2006, 11:16 AM	#27
WT-RXT Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Disregard the sarcastic rude response from the KNUCKLEHEAD. I recommend a Seadoo 3 person 4 stroke. They are quieter and pollute much less than 2 stroke. Also, the Seadoo storage is much larger than most. As with any boat, storage out of the water is best. Also, the Seadoo 4 stroke has internal engine cooling (closed loop), the way to go. Seadoo also holds value better than most.

03-23-2006, 11:20 AM	#28
Island Girl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Central MA Posts: 2,352 Thanks: 18 Thanked 535 Times in 179 Posts	SeaDoo GTX I am going for the SeaDoo GTX 4 stroke. I would of course like the higher models but think the lower horsepower will be cheaper to run... unless you more knowledgeable people can tell me otherwise. IG __________________ Island Girl ....... Make Lemonade

03-23-2006, 12:16 PM	#29
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Excellent Choice, Island Girl!! I think that you will be very happy with it. I need to thank WT-RXT for his input.... Also, I would like to try and clear up some questions from RG, if I may. First; PLEASE read and understand your owners manual. The infomation contained therein is most valueable to the safe operation. Any further questions you may have can be answered by your dealer, or feel free to come out here and ask them as there is a great wealth of folks that will also help you, and give you the right scoop! As others have mentioned, for the longjevety and trouble free riding pleasure, maintainance is key. therefore one should keep in mind that any internal combustion engine has to have the following; 1. Keep the fuel clean and free of any sediments or water as if water is ingested into the cylinder, water does not compress, and serious engine dammage could result. 2 Keep the intake air clean, and free of water, for the same reason stated obove. 3. Last, but not least, keep the oil clean. 4. Allow engine warm up, before riding. The obove applies to both 2 and 4 stroke engines, and with these 4 easy steps, they can run trouble free indefinately. Hope this helps. PS- My next snowmobile, or PWC will be four stroke powered. Also it will match my golf handicap! Are you listening out there Uppy? Love, T. __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html Last edited by trfour; 03-23-2006 at 03:36 PM.

03-23-2006, 01:17 PM	#30
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,966 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	Island Girl... I would go with the bigger motor... the cost of operation will not be that much more. But the smaller motor will signifigantly affect resale value. Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

03-23-2006, 01:22 PM	#31
gtxrider Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Piscataway, NJ Posts: 1,030 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 24 Posts	Another crazy! Congratulations you have come over to the dark side! Riding a PWC is almost like riding a motorcycle with out the road rash. As for big motors the GTX 4 TEC or the Limited with the super charger use the same ROTAX engine. It is about 1500CCs and 155 HP with out the blower 215 HP with the super charger. They don't come any bigger displacement wise. I am sending a copy of a PWC magazine that has most of the 2006 models with gh*, if she remembers it.

03-24-2006, 01:07 PM	#33
chipj29 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bow Posts: 1,874 Thanks: 521 Thanked 308 Times in 162 Posts	Please Join Island Girl, if I may suggest something, please consider joining the American Watercraft Association. They are strong advocates for us PWC owners. Your $24 annual membership includes a subscription to their magazine Ride. And that goes out to the otherr PWC owners here as well...please join AWA, they look out for YOU! www.awahq.org Chip

03-24-2006, 01:43 PM	#34
gtxrider Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Piscataway, NJ Posts: 1,030 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 24 Posts	A thing of beauty As they say beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder! Last edited by gtxrider; 02-20-2007 at 08:18 PM.

03-25-2006, 07:17 PM	#35
Captain Zipper Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Granby, Ct. Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Costs What are the prices now for the 3 seat, 4 strokes with the bigger motors? What about the cost for insurance for them?

03-26-2006, 05:37 PM	#37
WT-RXT Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Seadoo Purchase Anyone interested in a Seadoo 4 stroke might want to consider an RXT (3 seater) 215 HP. The fastest 3 seater on the market. They list for $11,499 but can be had for $9,999 from "Xtremepowersports.com". They are located about 20 miles south of Albany NY, an easy drive from the Mass Pike. Some might be hesitant to purchase from an out of town dealer when attempting to seek local service. However, you can establish a relationhip with a local dealer buy purchasing all your accessories such as vests and other items. Just like auto dealers there is profit in service, so they should be happy for your business.

03-26-2006, 08:21 PM	#39
WT-RXT Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Insurance/Sales Tax Insurance is cheap, shop around. It's cheaper if you have had prior boating experience. I go through Progressive for $175 yr. Also, if you live in NH, and buy out of state, like I recommended from Xtreme Powersports, you do not pay sales tax.

03-29-2006, 01:13 PM	#40
Excalibur Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Gilford,NH is where I would like to be and Southborough, MA is where I have to be Posts: 88 Thanks: 14 Thanked 10 Times in 3 Posts	Buy a PWC lift, They are heavy machines to move. I purchased a 4 stroke 3 person Kawasaki from HK Powersports in Laconia 2 yrs ago. I was very happy with the price and I have not needed any service besides winterization yet. Also it is quieter then most boats on the lake. I would like to reccomend that you purchase a lift with the PWC. I have found that PWC's and docks and lines do not mix well. You could build a ramp with a winch or purchase a lift to take the PWC out of the water. This will prevent corrosion in the jet and save it from scratches and dings from heavy weather at the dock. You will be able to experience the lake in a whole different way on a PWC. I ended up going places that I havent ventured in years in my power boat. They are very economical to run and fun on a hot summers day. As always on the big lake, watch the weather and bring a change of clothes. You will get wet...

03-30-2006, 11:20 AM	#41
SPANKY Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	IG, I am selling a 2003 polaris MSX 140, with trailer, cover, jackets, anchor in great condition for $5500. gotta make room for the new boat!! send me a pm if you want more details.

04-04-2006, 10:01 AM	#43
onthebay Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Jetski Dock Permit Since most of you have jetskis I thought you would have some experience with the process. I just bought a jetski and it came with a Roll and Go dock http://www.roll-n-go.com/ It is model PWC. I plan on putting it on my beach. Do I need a dock permit for this? Does it need a sticker like a mooring? Is it treated like a seasonal dock ? Thanks

04-05-2006, 12:12 PM	#44
Aquadeziac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Concord NH Posts: 239 Thanks: 19 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	As long as you drag it totally up on the beach and none of it touches water you need nothing. I run into this when I keep my PWC at a friends cottage. Same holds true for PWC lifts. As long as it is up out of the water, you need no permits. But if you only drag it halfway out of the water the MP will be paying you a visit. __________________ "He who dies with the most toys wins"

04-06-2006, 03:08 PM	#45
fasttech Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Irwin Marine in Alton sells Seadoo's, If I was to buy another watercraft I would buy it from a marina not a bike shop where they are more concerned about taking care of their main money maker (bikes) no rush on a boat or watercraft. Keep in mind that a Seadoo has a learning key that limits the speed untill you are ready for full speed and they also have off power assisted steering (like a rudder on each side). Good luck

04-06-2006, 04:03 PM	#46
jetskier Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Reading, MA and South Down Shores Posts: 851 Thanks: 57 Thanked 183 Times in 114 Posts	Jetski Ad Infinitum I just wanted to add a couple of points: First, if you drag the jetski up onto the beach, there are a couple of things to be aware of. There are always waves on the lake (in the traveled sections) and you might find your jetski moving into the water or cast adrift. It needs to be well up on the beach. Second, you will get sand into your intake and should take care to get it out before starting the craft. Sand does not help impellers and can clog water intake (on 2 cycle craft). Sooo...the lift is generally a better choice. If you do have a Sea Doo with the DSS key, do not leave it plugged into the craft when you are not using it, battery drain becomes an issue. Have fun and boat safe Jetskier

04-06-2006, 04:30 PM	#47
jetskier Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Reading, MA and South Down Shores Posts: 851 Thanks: 57 Thanked 183 Times in 114 Posts	Jetski History Hi all, Sorry about the late entry into this discussion, but I have been summerizing my jetski. Actually, not yet. The invention of the jetski is credited to Clayton Jacobsen. He was a motocross rider who reasoned that falling off a motorcycle was considerably more painful than falling off something going fast in water. The original jetski prototypes were based upon an aluminum hull and fixed handle pole. Clayton did work on an adjustable handle pole; but never got anything really to market. In the early 70s he licensed his designs to Kawasaki and they produced the first commercial models. The original model was based upon a 400 cc engine. There is a good article on all this at the following link: http://www.watercraftworld.com/output.cfm?id=151543 Kawasaki introduced their standup into the market in 1973: http://www.kawasaki.ca/museum_pwc.html My recollection is that there was a falling out between Jacobsen and Kawasaki and he litigated them (without success). Sea-Doo claims to have introduced the first sit down models into the market during the period of 1968 to 1970: http://www.seadoo.com/en-US/Watercra...a-Doo/History/ So, the way I read the chronology. Jacobsen gets credit for the first jetski in the mid 60s but never reaches commercial viability. Sea-Doo introduces the first commercial jetski (sit down) in 1968 and Kawasaki introduces the first standup (based upon Jacobsen's designs) in 1973. Maybe it is time to just go riding My first jetski was a Kawasaki 650 SX...don't see many standups on the lake anymore. Regards, Jetskier