...shoplifting in the lakes region!

fatlazyless · 09-15-2011, 07:21 AM

www.laconiadailysun.com/node/120347/18661

and hopefully this link will work otherwise this thread is going no-where? Yes, it looks like it works.

Everbody knows about the Wal-Mart greeters who also work as security to watch the store, but what about Hannaford's, which does not have any 'greeters'? What does Hannaford do for security?

Sometime not too long ago, maybe last spring 2011, a Town of Ashland selectman resigned from his seat after getting busted just outside the entry in the parking lot at the Plymouth Hannaford's for shoplifting a cart with maybe 70-dollars of groceries & fresh meats; a week's worth of food. He simply rolled his cart with the weekly groceries out the entry and was nervously on his way........until.......BUSTED......that must have been a huge "bad move" for someone who was a local selectman.... Will try to find a link to that story....but will not try too hard.....he most definitely wants to forgetaboutit....so's you can go find the link yourself....

Something like times are really tough for a good number of people who are out of work, or short on money, and still want to eat, or something? People can do some really dumb stuff when they get a little desperate, or just think they can probably get away with it, just like the great big national banks.

Getting a thread going about shoplifting mught just be a bit of a stretch, since there's really not too much that anyone might want to say. Like gee-whizz, just take a look-see at all this terrific stuff that just got shoplifted down at the so & so store or something......no....most likely this thread is going nowhere fast.....something tells me!

Ho-hum...one never knows....this forum can be full of surprises.

Well, greeters or no greeters, there must be some type of security over at Hannafords because people are getting caught......and as the saying goes.....one cannot argue with success......or in this case......one cannot argue with failure!

AB_Monterey · 09-15-2011, 01:53 PM

One of my friends is a mgr at Market Basket. Been there for 44 years. This happens way more than you can imagine.

Whenever we get together, he always has lots of new stories.

Argie's Wife · 09-15-2011, 06:30 PM

It's a problem all over - not just here in the Lakes Region.

Stores plan for a certain amount of shrinkage each year and carry insurance to protect them against major theft. I've worked in retail management for several years and have seen people do some pretty amazing (and stupid!) things to get away with a crime. On the flip side - you gotta know what you're doing when you stop a customer for allegedly stealing - if you're wrong about the act, you can lose your job!

It's pretty sad to consider that the $40 in groceries, or $100 in shoes, or whatever someone tried to steal will stay on their record, cost them court fees and whatever else, and be way more expensive than anyone could ever consider - like their reputation.

dpg · 09-16-2011, 05:44 AM

Wal Mart greeters help with store security, that's news to me! All I ever see them doing is standing there looking out the front door (not behind them.) I say get rid of the greeter and put them to work straightening up (usually) messy shelves. How about this, do away with that position and put on another cashier. The Wally Mart near me in Mass usually has long lines at the three registers usually open. They also could of saved money and not bothered buying the other 10 registers that just sit there...HELLO...

Winnisquamguy · 09-16-2011, 07:00 AM

I know the workers at Home Depot and Lowes are not allowed to stop them if they see it happening and a lot of times they don't even call the cops. I thought that was crazy. In these economic times it must happen quite a bit unfortunately. In the end we all pay for it.

VitaBene · 09-16-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Winnisquamguy

I know the workers at Home Depot and Lowes are not allowed to stop them if they see it happening and a lot of times they don't even call the cops. I thought that was crazy. In these economic times it must happen quite a bit unfortunately. In the end we all pay for it.

Due to liability concerns, most security policies have been changed to only "observe and report", not intervene.

We do all pay for it.

upthesaukee · 09-16-2011, 07:40 AM

In my retail experiences, my employers stated that if the "suspect" went out of direct sight at all, even for a second, we could not do anything about the shoplifting. Even if we kept full vision of that person, and of course notified our manager, the only thing we (manager) could do was once the person passed the last register was ask if there any other purchases they wished to pay for. If they left the store, we were to get info on the car including license number and call the police.

When I worked at Lowes, only the loss control specialist was authorized to stop a shoplifter, and only under a very limited set of circumstances.

Stores do take shoplifting seriously, but unfortunately the rights of the accused far outweigh the rights of injured (suffering the loss) parties, so there is not a lot of legal action that happens. ( a discussion of the respective rights is not something that should take place on this website.)

Argie's Wife · 09-16-2011, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dpg

Wal Mart greeters help with store security, that's news to me! All I ever see them doing is standing there looking out the front door (not behind them.) I say get rid of the greeter and put them to work straightening up (usually) messy shelves. How about this, do away with that position and put on another cashier. The Wally Mart near me in Mass usually has long lines at the three registers usually open. They also could of saved money and not bothered buying the other 10 registers that just sit there...HELLO...

Greeters are placed at doors to check bags being brought into the store (returns and exchanges), check for kids with backpacks or duffle bags, watch for people wearing baggy clothing or big jackets (especially in warm weather months - that's always a clue as to someone MO when they come in a store), watch for groups of shoppers coming in all at once (for a distract-n-grab), and to make initial contact with customers.

Even though it's never said out loud to people, the message of "we know you're here - we SEE you" is given to customers at the door. Looking up at a store's ceilings and seeing all the fish-eye cameras in operation, you know you're being watched more closely than you may know. All Wal-Marts employ security personnel and they will be "shopping" in the stores - roaming the floors and looking for customers trying to conceal items or exhibiting the body language that tips them off as to their real intent of being in the store. Most chain stores have security/loss-prevention like this - they have to because they're large and an easy target.

And yes, we all pay for it. Absolutely...

jrc · 09-16-2011, 08:14 AM

My last stint working in retail ended in 1980 and a even then we had a strict rule, "if in doubt, let it out". No one could stop a shoplifter except the "Loss Prevention" people.

Another reason for the greeters is to stop this trick. People would come into the store with an empty bag, grab something off the shelf near the door, then get in line to return the product they just grabbed.

Some of the clever ways people stole were amazing, sadly the biggest thiefs were often the store employees.

BlackCatIslander · 09-16-2011, 01:39 PM

Argie's wife mentioned that shoplifting was "more expensive than anyone could ever consider - like their reputation". How true! I can always remember my parents drumming into me that you build or establish your reputation throughout your life and you can destroy it with just one stupid or criminal act.
I have always remembered their advice.

Rattlesnake Guy · 09-16-2011, 06:30 PM

Greeters also check your receipt to see if you paid for all your items or if you friend's mom let you get out with a few freebies. Last week the greeter noticed that I had paid for 10 totes and only had 8 in my cart. She sent me back to the courtesy counter for a refund of 14 bucks.

GM doc · 09-16-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

Greeters also check your receipt to see if you paid for all your items or if you friend's mom let you get out with a few freebies. Last week the greeter noticed that I had paid for 10 totes and only had 8 in my cart. She sent me back to the courtesy counter for a refund of 14 bucks.

Well like they say, Ya CAN'T fix stupid!

Misty Blue · 09-17-2011, 05:27 AM

A week ago I performed a professional service on the Lake. When finished and standing on this guys dock (it was about 1 AM) he told me that he was broke and that he wasn't going to pay his bill. I was dumbfounded! Nice boat, nice dock with a jet ski, nice house in Alton and he stiffs me! I had gotten out of bed, did my thing for the guy at night and he had the stones to look me in the eye and say that I was out of luck.

The problem is that the money due is not worth the man hours needed to recover it.

I guess that times are hard for him. As for me, I lost half a nights sleep and 20 bucks worth of fuel. Times are hard on on our end too.

Misty Blue

GM doc · 09-17-2011, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Misty Blue

A week ago I performed a professional service on the Lake. When finished and standing on this guys dock (it was about 1 AM) he told me that he was broke and that he wasn't going to pay his bill. I was dumbfounded! Nice boat, nice dock with a jet ski, nice house in Alton and he stiffs me! I had gotten out of bed, did my thing for the guy at night and he had the stones to look me in the eye and say that I was out of luck.

The problem is that the money due is not worth the man hours needed to recover it.

I guess that times are hard for him. As for me, I lost half a nights sleep and 20 bucks worth of fuel. Times are hard on on our end too.

Misty Blue

Well, You could have called the police. That is "theft of service." If over 500 dollars, I think that is now a felony.

RailroadJoe · 09-17-2011, 06:08 AM

I think you should let the rest of the forum members know who this person is, so we can make sure we do not get stuck by him.

tis · 09-17-2011, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Misty Blue

A week ago I performed a professional service on the Lake. When finished and standing on this guys dock (it was about 1 AM) he told me that he was broke and that he wasn't going to pay his bill. I was dumbfounded! Nice boat, nice dock with a jet ski, nice house in Alton and he stiffs me! I had gotten out of bed, did my thing for the guy at night and he had the stones to look me in the eye and say that I was out of luck.

The problem is that the money due is not worth the man hours needed to recover it.

I guess that times are hard for him. As for me, I lost half a nights sleep and 20 bucks worth of fuel. Times are hard on on our end too.

Misty Blue

Unfortunately that is part of doing business today. I sympathize with you but you have to expect that is going to happen. It doesn't make it right but it is a fact. You are also right, I think that a lot of these people know that the money due is not worth your time. And even small claims court takes forever and even when you get judgement, good luck making them pay. It can usually be done but only after months and months and then the sheriff will arrest them for contempt of court. If they don't pay they will go to jail and when they bail themselves out, (they always seem to come up with the money for that) you will get that money. But again, the process takes so much time and effort, I think they know most won't bother with it. I think it is time for a change- make people be responsible.

upthesaukee · 09-17-2011, 07:00 AM

Theft of services is a crime and you could contact the Alton PD to file a complaint. I'm sure it is only a misdemeanor, but adjudication can include restitution to you. If he doesn't pay, he could face four gray walls, giving him time to think about stiffing someone else...and he still will have to pay.

I cannot fathom such a thing personally. I think back to a time when my lower unit snapped, and someone from Moultonborough came across the lake to Rum Point, hooked me up and headed into Alton Bay, only to have to take refuge at a dock because of a severe thunderstorm roaring down on us from Mt. Major. We did finally make it to the town docks, and we will never forget the tow that you gave us that night. No way could I have stiffed you! Once again, thanks Misty

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And go get the bum!!!!!!!!

songkrai · 09-17-2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCatIslander

Argie's wife mentioned that shoplifting was "more expensive than anyone could ever consider - like their reputation". How true! I can always remember my parents drumming into me that you build or establish your reputation throughout your life and you can destroy it with just one stupid or criminal act.
I have always remembered their advice.

How true. Todays parents and todays kids don't have a clue what Homeland Security and all of it's tentacles have. Every time anyone gets pulled over or caught doing something small or large is recorded onto government computer databases. And it will be there forever.

That time you were pulled over for an expired inspection sticker is on the police computer forever. That time your neighbors son/daughter was present at that underage drinking party and even if that son/daughter was not drinking spirits and police called that will be recorded on some government computer. Note certain 'minor' age items are sealed. But how tight is that 'seal'?

Argie's Wife · 09-17-2011, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Misty Blue

A week ago I performed a professional service on the Lake. When finished and standing on this guys dock (it was about 1 AM) he told me that he was broke and that he wasn't going to pay his bill. I was dumbfounded! Nice boat, nice dock with a jet ski, nice house in Alton and he stiffs me! I had gotten out of bed, did my thing for the guy at night and he had the stones to look me in the eye and say that I was out of luck.

The problem is that the money due is not worth the man hours needed to recover it.

I guess that times are hard for him. As for me, I lost half a nights sleep and 20 bucks worth of fuel. Times are hard on on our end too.

Misty Blue

I'm appalled someone treated you like that! I've been stiffed twice for services performed and it's an awful feeling. Someone else's "hardship" shouldn't become yours! I'm so sorry that happened to you!

Upthesaukee is right - go to the Alton PD and file a complaint. The officers there are all pretty nice, in my opinion, and have helped us with various issues. Maybe it won't take much more than them calling this guy and saying, "What can you do to pay Misty Blue for the services (s)he performed? Can you work something out?" Just the fact you've gone to the police will tell this twit that you mean business. Please don't let that slide - that's not right!

CateP · 09-17-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Misty Blue

A week ago I performed a professional service on the Lake. When finished and standing on this guys dock (it was about 1 AM) he told me that he was broke and that he wasn't going to pay his bill. I was dumbfounded! Nice boat, nice dock with a jet ski, nice house in Alton and he stiffs me! I had gotten out of bed, did my thing for the guy at night and he had the stones to look me in the eye and say that I was out of luck.

The problem is that the money due is not worth the man hours needed to recover it.

I guess that times are hard for him. As for me, I lost half a nights sleep and 20 bucks worth of fuel. Times are hard on on our end too.

Misty Blue

He should sell something to pay you. If I were that desperate I would. Or he could have bartered something in exchange. Usually I would have sympathy for someone who is struggling financially, but in this case he had other options. The guy has poor values.

To protect yourself in the future you might want to ask for 50% up front. Most of the independent contractors I worked with in NJ asked for that.

Sorry this happened to you. Hopefully good karma will happen for you and you'll will be rewarded in some other way.

sa meredith · 09-17-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Misty Blue

A week ago I performed a professional service on the Lake. When finished and standing on this guys dock (it was about 1 AM) he told me that he was broke and that he wasn't going to pay his bill. I was dumbfounded! Nice boat, nice dock with a jet ski, nice house in Alton and he stiffs me! I had gotten out of bed, did my thing for the guy at night and he had the stones to look me in the eye and say that I was out of luck.

The problem is that the money due is not worth the man hours needed to recover it.

I guess that times are hard for him. As for me, I lost half a nights sleep and 20 bucks worth of fuel. Times are hard on on our end too.

Misty Blue

There has to be more to this story...has to, has to, has to...
You were on his dock, so I assume he is waterfront. Owns a boat, etc.
It was 1 AM, so it must be some type of emergency that could not wait.
The guy must have SOME money...or a CC.
Did he mean he could not pay now, or not pay ever?
Was the work being done somehow a fix he did not feel responsible for?
Seriously...I am curious about the amount of money, and the actual reason for non payment. and lack of willingness to attempt to make some arraigmet.

Lakesrider · 09-17-2011, 02:31 PM

Local town hall or wherever and put a lien on him. Sorry if that were me I would have asked what he just said, to clarify it, and then if he said the same thing he would have been in the water....really officer he slipped.....

Misty Blue · 09-17-2011, 07:06 PM

SA. it is time to end this (my experiance post). It is not the first time and it won't be the last time.

We are talking about around 200 bucks.

I could have decked him, but he was big.

If I had goten him in the water, I could have taken him. Very, Very bad idea.

So I let him look me in the eye and disgrase himself.

I expect that his wife gave him some bit, and made him say that this wasn't going to cost anything.

As I said. Times are tough.

Misty Blue

Greene's Basin Girl · 09-17-2011, 11:39 PM

Times weren't so tough that he wasn't afraid to ask for your services. You do a service then you should be paid. I was raised to never take advantage of anyone. If you let him get away with it then he will do it to some other upright citizen in the future. The guy is an absolute scum bag!!!!!

tis · 09-18-2011, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CateP

He should sell something to pay you. If I were that desperate I would. Or he could have bartered something in exchange. Usually I would have sympathy for someone who is struggling financially, but in this case he had other options. Then guy has poor values.

To protect yourself in the future you might want to ask for 50% up front. Most of the independent contractors I worked with in NJ asked for that.

Sorry this happened to you. Hopefully good karma will happen for you and you'll will be rewarded in some other way.

If I couldn't afford something I just wouldn't have it done or would try to do it myself. If I couldn't afford something I would never put it on an account never expecting to pay it. But there are people who do these things. If they were honorable they would come to you and say I can't pay you right now but I will pay you so much a week.

I spend much more time in court chasing money than I would like. It has gotten to the point that I think people know a small amount of money is just not worth the hassle and that they will therefore get away with it. You can be poor but still pay your bills. I know tons of people like that. The others are just plain crooks.

jrc · 09-18-2011, 09:19 AM

MB, you obviously know how much your time is worth. If you go after him, you can lose time and maybe other jobs while you chase him. I would take advantage of any free and easy ways to make him know much of a slime he is.

You know we all have fun with FLL claiming poverty from his lakefront house, and I just read an article about how people are considered in poverty even if they have a house, good food, color TV and a cell phone. But people have to learn to live within their means. This guy has a boat and a jet ski and he won't pay his bills! Boils my blood.

Pineedles · 09-18-2011, 01:52 PM

Put his name and address here so he can be publicly shamed!

Argie's Wife · 09-18-2011, 06:07 PM

If it cost you $20 in gas to tow the guy, maybe we can pitch in $20 for your gas to bring his boat back where you towed it from?

MistyBlue - you're a gentleman and I doubt you'd do that... I hope the posts here about how we're not happy about how you were treated makes you realized that you're valued more than you know. This forum is like family, and we can put the "fun" in dysfunctional, but no one messes with one of our own!

Misty Blue · 09-18-2011, 07:16 PM

upthesaukee:

I do remember that trip.

God had it in for us that day DONNER UND BLITIZEN!!!

But you know, thank you for reminding me of the hospitality given to us by the owners of that dock. If memory serves me right, they brought sodas and iced tea to us in a biteh'en storm.

But what I most remember is that after the short, violent storm the sun came out. Steam wafted off of the dock as we got under way. We said goodbye to the owners and headed down the bay. All that I could think of at that time was the wedding of Kona and Ellacoya. The rain stopped. The sun shined through upon us. We were smiled upon by the Great Spirit.

It"s time to stop bitich'en about something that we really can't change and start counting our blessings for our health, our friends and the crystal waters that we sail upon.

Upthesaukee... thanks for screwing my head on straight and reminding me why I got into this business in the first place.

Misty Blue.

upthesaukee · 09-18-2011, 09:30 PM

It is my wife, her sister, and I that have the great memories. Memories of the guy who had a long ride from the other side of the lake to rescue us, bring us under tow, help us secure to the dock in the thunderstorm (didn't have the owners come to us that night; must have been another of your selfless rescues

). We did get most of the paperwork done, but didn't do anything about the payment until at the town docks. I do remember one of those boats that came flying out the bay (well before speed limits, and no other traffic present) only to make a quick 180 degree turn and head back down the bay. When we got to the docks, it was tied up at Shibley's. At least he got a good meal out of the storm. And you are correct, that after that storm passed, it was a beautiful sight, sunshine, "sea smoke" from the cold rain hitting the warm water, and an almost calm lake. I stood at the helm, and just enjoyed the ride in, just like we were under power and on a putt putt cruise.
Glad you have good memories of it. I also know that we are not the only ones that you have rescued, or helped out on the lake in a time of need. Sorry the jerk stiffed you, and if you aren't able to proceed against him, rest assured he will get his in the end. "Oh broken down again? I can rent you a paddle!"

Be well, Misty Blue, and thanks for all you do.

Rattlesnake Guy · 09-20-2011, 06:43 PM

Misty,
Your situation brings to mind a practice I remember from when I was a kid. One of our neighbors was a mason who often built fire places for people. After several experiences of not being payed he claimed to practice a technique involving installing a sheet of glass half way up the chimney. When he received his payment at the end of the job, he would put a box below the flu and drop a brick down the chimney breaking the glass. If the customer did not pay, they had a dickens of a time trying to get the draft to work. Looking up, they could see daylight but for some reason the house would fill with smoke. An issue easily fixed upon final payment.

GM doc · 09-20-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

Misty,
Your situation brings to mind a practice I remember from when I was a kid. One of our neighbors was a mason who often built fire places for people. After several experiences of not being payed he claimed to practice a technique involving installing a sheet of glass half way up the chimney. When he received his payment at the end of the job, he would put a box below the flu and drop a brick down the chimney breaking the glass. If the customer did not pay, they had a dickens of a time trying to get the draft to work. Looking up, they could see daylight but for some reason the house would fill with smoke. An issue easily fixed upon final payment.

I think your just telling a fib! NO WAY to build a chimney without "spilling" mortar!
Nice thought though.
Nowa days try that. He would be in court SO FAST he wouldnt know what day it was.
contractors nowah days should be MORE CAREFUL!!!!!!!

Argie's Wife · 09-21-2011, 08:00 AM

Slight derail...
I've worked as a brick tender and unless a mason is incredibly sloppy, there's no reason why mortar (aka mud) would break glass. (Hubby 1.0 was a mason. I'd work with him when he was short-handed.) There shouldn't be great gobs of it going down a chimney - especially if you're past the half-way point or more, as it sounds from RG's post.

Back on topic...

I was in Big Lots in Ossippee on Monday. As I was shopping in the cosmetics aisle, an employee was picking up a dozen or so discarded packages and wrappers. I thought she was putting a new display up. She told me she was picking up all the theft from the previous day and was disgusted at how much takes place in their store. Pretty pathetic that people steal from a store to begin with, but a discount store like Big Lots? Good grief!

Pineedles · 09-21-2011, 09:35 AM

I wouldn't suspect that shoplifters steal cars, break and enter, nor rob banks, so why do they shoplift? A list, not necessarily in the order of researched reasons but I think most is because of #1.

1. They feel entitled to the goods.
2. They do it for the thrill.
3. They do it because they are poor and need the item.

We are teaching our kids that if someone has something that they don't, they are entitled to take it. Steal from the rich, is the current thought process being taught!

CateP · 09-21-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pineedles

I wouldn't suspect that shoplifters steal cars, break and enter, nor rob banks, so why do they shoplift? A list, not necessarily in the order of researched reasons but I think most is because of #1.

1. They feel entitled to the goods.
2. They do it for the thrill.
3. They do it because they are poor and need the item.

We are teaching our kids that if someone has something that they don't, they are entitled to take it. Steal from the rich, is the current thought process being taught!

I think this is a fascinating question that could be interesting to research. Without talking to a relatively large sample of shoplifters I couldn't confidently say WHY people in the lakes region shoplift. I know that my one experience with shoplifting when I was 13 or 14 was for the thrill, but quickly became a nightmare when my friend was caught and her parents were called to the store. It scared the %$^ out of me! Never shoplifted again.

I think I was taught good values by my parents, but as a teenager I was definitely testing the limits.

upthesaukee · 09-21-2011, 11:16 AM

This is somewhat like entitled:

I saw it, wanted it, but didn't want to pay for it (had the money). Afterall, their prices have the cost of shoplifting built in, so why shouldn't I do it.

SIKSUKR · 09-28-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pineedles

1. They feel entitled to the goods.
Steal from the rich, is the current thought process being taught!

Sounds like the currently popular rhetoric of redistributing the wealth. Is it any wonder people are feeling more entitled to what's yours should be mine too? And no, I don't have a "Fancy Corporate Jet as our leader likes to hammer home.

Argie's Wife · 09-28-2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pineedles

We are teaching our kids that if someone has something that they don't, they are entitled to take it. Steal from the rich, is the current thought process being taught!

Uh, I beg to differ on that one... the oldest Arglet walked out of a grocery store one day with a magazine in his hot little paws... He'd been told "no" when he'd asked for the item and he made a very poor decision. (I think he was 5 years old or so, when this happened). I discovered the item later that day...

So, I made the boy return the item, confess and apologize to the store's manager, and I asked the manager to tell the boy what happens in his store when people are caught stealing. We also knew a police officer, who reinforced this lesson with a little tour of the police station and "a talk". I think we grounded the kid for a week or something like that... But we haven't had a problem since - and the boy remembers the ordeal five years later...

In talking about this with other moms, they've had similar situations and I don't think any parent likes to think their kid is a thief... there may be exceptions, but it's certainly not being taught...

In a nutshell: kids have to be taught that ALL decisions have consequences... some are pretty serious...

fatlazyless · 09-29-2011, 06:02 AM

Off the top of my head, and with no real knowledge about this, I assume that when an adult, 18-years & older, gets convicted for shoplifting, that charge stays on their criminal record forever, and maybe even longer, because it can be used as a deciding factor to send you straight to Hell, after you die......honest!

Deep down in Hell, the shoplifters all group together, and spend all their day suffering from too much hot feet, from standing around on those burning hot sands of Hell.....just like the white, sandy beach in Weirs Beach in July.......ouchey-ouchey......oh Lordy.....give me some relief from these burning sands of Hell......all for shoplifting a 58-dollar, cd-vcr playback recorder for use with that new wide screen tv from Wal-Mart or something! Probably, not worth the risk?

Pineedles · 09-29-2011, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Argie's Wife

Uh, I beg to differ on that one... the oldest Arglet walked out of a grocery store one day with a magazine in his hot little paws... He'd been told "no" when he'd asked for the item and he made a very poor decision. (I think he was 5 years old or so, when this happened). I discovered the item later that day...

So, I made the boy return the item, confess and apologize to the store's manager, and I asked the manager to tell the boy what happens in his store when people are caught stealing. We also knew a police officer, who reinforced this lesson with a little tour of the police station and "a talk". I think we grounded the kid for a week or something like that... But we haven't had a problem since - and the boy remembers the ordeal five years later...

In talking about this with other moms, they've had similar situations and I don't think any parent likes to think their kid is a thief... there may be exceptions, but it's certainly not being taught...

In a nutshell: kids have to be taught that ALL decisions have consequences... some are pretty serious...

My statement is not so much direct parent to child lessons, but the culture of redistribution of wealth that is being taught by .............you know who.

dpg · 09-29-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Argie's Wife

Greeters are placed at doors to check bags being brought into the store (returns and exchanges), check for kids with backpacks or duffle bags, watch for people wearing baggy clothing or big jackets (especially in warm weather months - that's always a clue as to someone MO when they come in a store), watch for groups of shoppers coming in all at once (for a distract-n-grab), and to make initial contact with customers.

Even though it's never said out loud to people, the message of "we know you're here - we SEE you" is given to customers at the door. Looking up at a store's ceilings and seeing all the fish-eye cameras in operation, you know you're being watched more closely than you may know. All Wal-Marts employ security personnel and they will be "shopping" in the stores - roaming the floors and looking for customers trying to conceal items or exhibiting the body language that tips them off as to their real intent of being in the store. Most chain stores have security/loss-prevention like this - they have to because they're large and an easy target.

And yes, we all pay for it. Absolutely...

The 80 (something) year old greeters at the Wally Mart near me are not threatening or sending any kind of message at all. Not making fun of them or their age just sayin...And no, I don't considor half the greeters in that chain of stores effective at all.

VitaBene · 09-29-2011, 02:25 PM

The Walmart greeters were never part of the Loss Prevention group. They should not be now... different skill sets, training and physical requirements.

ishoot308 · 09-29-2011, 02:48 PM

The Walmart greeters are just that..."greeters".

Kind of nice if you ask me that in this impersonal computer age of auto check out and enter your pin number world, to have someone actually say hello welcome to Walmart and offer you a carriage is kind of nice. I also think it's nice of Walmart to offer senior citizens a job that is most likely desperately needed.

Dan

Waterbaby · 09-29-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Misty Blue

SA. it is time to end this (my experiance post). It is not the first time and it won't be the last time.

We are talking about around 200 bucks.

I could have decked him, but he was big.

If I had goten him in the water, I could have taken him. Very, Very bad idea.

So I let him look me in the eye and disgrase himself.

I expect that his wife gave him some bit, and made him say that this wasn't going to cost anything.

As I said. Times are tough.

Misty Blue

You are certainly a lot more forgiving than a lot of people - myself included! would be!

This'nThat · 09-29-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Deep down in Hell, the shoplifters all group together, and spend all their day suffering from too much hot feet, from standing around on those burning hot sands of Hell.....just like the white, sandy beach in Weirs Beach in July.......ouchey-ouchey......oh Lordy.....give me some relief from these burning sands of Hell......all for shoplifting a 58-dollar, cd-vcr playback recorder for use with that new wide screen tv from Wal-Mart or something! Probably, not worth the risk?

Just a quick question.... do you always drink before you post?

fatlazyless · 09-30-2011, 05:58 AM

The Super Wal-Mart in Plymouth, NH has two large front entries, and there's always a greeter stationed at each entrance. It's my best guess this store is the single most busy NH store by money volume, and by customer visits of any NH store that's north of Manchester. Plymouth Super Wal-mart is one very busy store.......always!

The greeters are all ages, from age 40 to age 75, and they seem to be giving every shopping cart the hairy eyeball as it rolls past.

There's one tall skinny guy, about 75 years, who always wears a bright red baseball hat with the Marine Corps' 'globe & anchor' who shouts out "halt" when he sees a suspicious looking item going past him. It's pretty obvious that he's an old Marine.

dpg · 09-30-2011, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

The Walmart greeters are just that..."greeters".

Kind of nice if you ask me that in this impersonal computer age of auto check out and enter your pin number world, to have someone actually say hello welcome to Walmart and offer you a carriage is kind of nice. I also think it's nice of Walmart to offer senior citizens a job that is most likely desperately needed.

Dan

Personally I'd rather see them (that) person cruising the aisles straightening things out, lightly restocking, etc. Much better use of their time and paycheck in my opinion. I for one don't need someone saying hi to me when I walk into a store I'd rather be treated with neat shelves and a prompt checkout experience. If I took that chain over tomorrow that person would be gone and the shelves would get much more needed attention.

Just my .02 your mileage may vary...

SIKSUKR · 09-30-2011, 12:01 PM

I'd rather see them at another checkout station.

SIKSUKR · 09-30-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Off the top of my head, and with no real knowledge about this,

I'm sorry FLL but this one really did make my day.

09-16-2011, 07:00 AM	#5
Winnisquamguy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Winnisquam, NH Posts: 613 Thanks: 419 Thanked 163 Times in 115 Posts	I know the workers at Home Depot and Lowes are not allowed to stop them if they see it happening and a lot of times they don't even call the cops. I thought that was crazy. In these economic times it must happen quite a bit unfortunately. In the end we all pay for it. __________________ "I'd rather be ridin than rolling"

09-16-2011, 07:40 AM	#7
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,597 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,457 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	retail experience In my retail experiences, my employers stated that if the "suspect" went out of direct sight at all, even for a second, we could not do anything about the shoplifting. Even if we kept full vision of that person, and of course notified our manager, the only thing we (manager) could do was once the person passed the last register was ask if there any other purchases they wished to pay for. If they left the store, we were to get info on the car including license number and call the police. When I worked at Lowes, only the loss control specialist was authorized to stop a shoplifter, and only under a very limited set of circumstances. Stores do take shoplifting seriously, but unfortunately the rights of the accused far outweigh the rights of injured (suffering the loss) parties, so there is not a lot of legal action that happens. ( a discussion of the respective rights is not something that should take place on this website.) __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

09-16-2011, 01:39 PM	#10
BlackCatIslander Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 201 Thanks: 52 Thanked 17 Times in 11 Posts	"their reputation" Argie's wife mentioned that shoplifting was "more expensive than anyone could ever consider - like their reputation". How true! I can always remember my parents drumming into me that you build or establish your reputation throughout your life and you can destroy it with just one stupid or criminal act. I have always remembered their advice. Last edited by BlackCatIslander; 09-16-2011 at 04:01 PM.

09-17-2011, 05:27 AM	#13
Misty Blue Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 658 Thanks: 121 Thanked 283 Times in 98 Posts	Times are tough, for everyone... A week ago I performed a professional service on the Lake. When finished and standing on this guys dock (it was about 1 AM) he told me that he was broke and that he wasn't going to pay his bill. I was dumbfounded! Nice boat, nice dock with a jet ski, nice house in Alton and he stiffs me! I had gotten out of bed, did my thing for the guy at night and he had the stones to look me in the eye and say that I was out of luck. The problem is that the money due is not worth the man hours needed to recover it. I guess that times are hard for him. As for me, I lost half a nights sleep and 20 bucks worth of fuel. Times are hard on on our end too. Misty Blue

09-17-2011, 07:00 AM	#17
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,597 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,457 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	Theft of services is a crime Theft of services is a crime and you could contact the Alton PD to file a complaint. I'm sure it is only a misdemeanor, but adjudication can include restitution to you. If he doesn't pay, he could face four gray walls, giving him time to think about stiffing someone else...and he still will have to pay. I cannot fathom such a thing personally. I think back to a time when my lower unit snapped, and someone from Moultonborough came across the lake to Rum Point, hooked me up and headed into Alton Bay, only to have to take refuge at a dock because of a severe thunderstorm roaring down on us from Mt. Major. We did finally make it to the town docks, and we will never forget the tow that you gave us that night. No way could I have stiffed you! Once again, thanks Misty. And go get the bum!!!!!!!! __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

09-15-2011, 07:21 AM	#1
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,746 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	...shoplifting in the lakes region! www.laconiadailysun.com/node/120347/18661 and hopefully this link will work otherwise this thread is going no-where? Yes, it looks like it works. Everbody knows about the Wal-Mart greeters who also work as security to watch the store, but what about Hannaford's, which does not have any 'greeters'? What does Hannaford do for security? Sometime not too long ago, maybe last spring 2011, a Town of Ashland selectman resigned from his seat after getting busted just outside the entry in the parking lot at the Plymouth Hannaford's for shoplifting a cart with maybe 70-dollars of groceries & fresh meats; a week's worth of food. He simply rolled his cart with the weekly groceries out the entry and was nervously on his way........until.......BUSTED......that must have been a huge "bad move" for someone who was a local selectman.... Will try to find a link to that story....but will not try too hard.....he most definitely wants to forgetaboutit....so's you can go find the link yourself.... Something like times are really tough for a good number of people who are out of work, or short on money, and still want to eat, or something? People can do some really dumb stuff when they get a little desperate, or just think they can probably get away with it, just like the great big national banks. Getting a thread going about shoplifting mught just be a bit of a stretch, since there's really not too much that anyone might want to say. Like gee-whizz, just take a look-see at all this terrific stuff that just got shoplifted down at the so & so store or something......no....most likely this thread is going nowhere fast.....something tells me! Ho-hum...one never knows....this forum can be full of surprises. Well, greeters or no greeters, there must be some type of security over at Hannafords because people are getting caught......and as the saying goes.....one cannot argue with success......or in this case......one cannot argue with failure! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 09-15-2011 at 01:40 PM.

09-15-2011, 01:53 PM	#2
AB_Monterey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 293 Thanks: 86 Thanked 78 Times in 49 Posts	One of my friends is a mgr at Market Basket. Been there for 44 years. This happens way more than you can imagine. Whenever we get together, he always has lots of new stories.

09-15-2011, 06:30 PM	#3
Argie's Wife Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Alton Posts: 1,908 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 533 Thanked 579 Times in 260 Posts	It's a problem all over - not just here in the Lakes Region. Stores plan for a certain amount of shrinkage each year and carry insurance to protect them against major theft. I've worked in retail management for several years and have seen people do some pretty amazing (and stupid!) things to get away with a crime. On the flip side - you gotta know what you're doing when you stop a customer for allegedly stealing - if you're wrong about the act, you can lose your job! It's pretty sad to consider that the $40 in groceries, or $100 in shoes, or whatever someone tried to steal will stay on their record, cost them court fees and whatever else, and be way more expensive than anyone could ever consider - like their reputation.

09-16-2011, 05:44 AM	#4
dpg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,595 Thanks: 153 Thanked 229 Times in 166 Posts	Wal Mart greeters help with store security, that's news to me! All I ever see them doing is standing there looking out the front door (not behind them.) I say get rid of the greeter and put them to work straightening up (usually) messy shelves. How about this, do away with that position and put on another cashier. The Wally Mart near me in Mass usually has long lines at the three registers usually open. They also could of saved money and not bothered buying the other 10 registers that just sit there...HELLO...

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09-16-2011, 08:14 AM	#9
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	My last stint working in retail ended in 1980 and a even then we had a strict rule, "if in doubt, let it out". No one could stop a shoplifter except the "Loss Prevention" people. Another reason for the greeters is to stop this trick. People would come into the store with an empty bag, grab something off the shelf near the door, then get in line to return the product they just grabbed. Some of the clever ways people stole were amazing, sadly the biggest thiefs were often the store employees.

09-16-2011, 06:30 PM	#11
Rattlesnake Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,254 Thanks: 423 Thanked 366 Times in 175 Posts	Greeters also check your receipt to see if you paid for all your items or if you friend's mom let you get out with a few freebies. Last week the greeter noticed that I had paid for 10 totes and only had 8 in my cart. She sent me back to the courtesy counter for a refund of 14 bucks.

09-17-2011, 06:08 AM	#15
RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	I think you should let the rest of the forum members know who this person is, so we can make sure we do not get stuck by him.

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09-17-2011, 02:31 PM	#22
Lakesrider Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,129 Thanks: 380 Thanked 1,016 Times in 345 Posts	Local town hall or wherever and put a lien on him. Sorry if that were me I would have asked what he just said, to clarify it, and then if he said the same thing he would have been in the water....really officer he slipped.....

09-17-2011, 07:06 PM	#23
Misty Blue Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 658 Thanks: 121 Thanked 283 Times in 98 Posts	Reply SA. it is time to end this (my experiance post). It is not the first time and it won't be the last time. We are talking about around 200 bucks. I could have decked him, but he was big. If I had goten him in the water, I could have taken him. Very, Very bad idea. So I let him look me in the eye and disgrase himself. I expect that his wife gave him some bit, and made him say that this wasn't going to cost anything. As I said. Times are tough. Misty Blue

09-17-2011, 11:39 PM	#24
Greene's Basin Girl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 1,515 Thanks: 394 Thanked 527 Times in 269 Posts	Times weren't so tough that he wasn't afraid to ask for your services. You do a service then you should be paid. I was raised to never take advantage of anyone. If you let him get away with it then he will do it to some other upright citizen in the future. The guy is an absolute scum bag!!!!!

09-18-2011, 09:19 AM	#26
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	MB, you obviously know how much your time is worth. If you go after him, you can lose time and maybe other jobs while you chase him. I would take advantage of any free and easy ways to make him know much of a slime he is. You know we all have fun with FLL claiming poverty from his lakefront house, and I just read an article about how people are considered in poverty even if they have a house, good food, color TV and a cell phone. But people have to learn to live within their means. This guy has a boat and a jet ski and he won't pay his bills! Boils my blood.

09-18-2011, 01:52 PM	#27
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,542 Thanks: 1,072 Thanked 667 Times in 366 Posts	Put his name and address here so he can be publicly shamed!

09-18-2011, 06:07 PM	#28
Argie's Wife Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Alton Posts: 1,908 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 533 Thanked 579 Times in 260 Posts	If it cost you $20 in gas to tow the guy, maybe we can pitch in $20 for your gas to bring his boat back where you towed it from? MistyBlue - you're a gentleman and I doubt you'd do that... I hope the posts here about how we're not happy about how you were treated makes you realized that you're valued more than you know. This forum is like family, and we can put the "fun" in dysfunctional, but no one messes with one of our own!

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09-18-2011, 07:16 PM	#29
Misty Blue Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 658 Thanks: 121 Thanked 283 Times in 98 Posts	Thankkks for the memmorries! upthesaukee: I do remember that trip. God had it in for us that day DONNER UND BLITIZEN!!! But you know, thank you for reminding me of the hospitality given to us by the owners of that dock. If memory serves me right, they brought sodas and iced tea to us in a biteh'en storm. But what I most remember is that after the short, violent storm the sun came out. Steam wafted off of the dock as we got under way. We said goodbye to the owners and headed down the bay. All that I could think of at that time was the wedding of Kona and Ellacoya. The rain stopped. The sun shined through upon us. We were smiled upon by the Great Spirit. It"s time to stop bitich'en about something that we really can't change and start counting our blessings for our health, our friends and the crystal waters that we sail upon. Upthesaukee... thanks for screwing my head on straight and reminding me why I got into this business in the first place. Misty Blue.

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09-18-2011, 09:30 PM	#30
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,597 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,457 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	You are Welcome It is my wife, her sister, and I that have the great memories. Memories of the guy who had a long ride from the other side of the lake to rescue us, bring us under tow, help us secure to the dock in the thunderstorm (didn't have the owners come to us that night; must have been another of your selfless rescues). We did get most of the paperwork done, but didn't do anything about the payment until at the town docks. I do remember one of those boats that came flying out the bay (well before speed limits, and no other traffic present) only to make a quick 180 degree turn and head back down the bay. When we got to the docks, it was tied up at Shibley's. At least he got a good meal out of the storm. And you are correct, that after that storm passed, it was a beautiful sight, sunshine, "sea smoke" from the cold rain hitting the warm water, and an almost calm lake. I stood at the helm, and just enjoyed the ride in, just like we were under power and on a putt putt cruise. Glad you have good memories of it. I also know that we are not the only ones that you have rescued, or helped out on the lake in a time of need. Sorry the jerk stiffed you, and if you aren't able to proceed against him, rest assured he will get his in the end. "Oh broken down again? I can rent you a paddle!" Be well, Misty Blue, and thanks for all you do. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

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09-20-2011, 06:43 PM	#31
Rattlesnake Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,254 Thanks: 423 Thanked 366 Times in 175 Posts	Misty, Your situation brings to mind a practice I remember from when I was a kid. One of our neighbors was a mason who often built fire places for people. After several experiences of not being payed he claimed to practice a technique involving installing a sheet of glass half way up the chimney. When he received his payment at the end of the job, he would put a box below the flu and drop a brick down the chimney breaking the glass. If the customer did not pay, they had a dickens of a time trying to get the draft to work. Looking up, they could see daylight but for some reason the house would fill with smoke. An issue easily fixed upon final payment.

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09-21-2011, 08:00 AM	#33
Argie's Wife Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Alton Posts: 1,908 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 533 Thanked 579 Times in 260 Posts	Slight derail... I've worked as a brick tender and unless a mason is incredibly sloppy, there's no reason why mortar (aka mud) would break glass. (Hubby 1.0 was a mason. I'd work with him when he was short-handed.) There shouldn't be great gobs of it going down a chimney - especially if you're past the half-way point or more, as it sounds from RG's post. Back on topic... I was in Big Lots in Ossippee on Monday. As I was shopping in the cosmetics aisle, an employee was picking up a dozen or so discarded packages and wrappers. I thought she was putting a new display up. She told me she was picking up all the theft from the previous day and was disgusted at how much takes place in their store. Pretty pathetic that people steal from a store to begin with, but a discount store like Big Lots? Good grief!

09-21-2011, 09:35 AM	#34
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,542 Thanks: 1,072 Thanked 667 Times in 366 Posts	Why do they do it? I wouldn't suspect that shoplifters steal cars, break and enter, nor rob banks, so why do they shoplift? A list, not necessarily in the order of researched reasons but I think most is because of #1. 1. They feel entitled to the goods. 2. They do it for the thrill. 3. They do it because they are poor and need the item. We are teaching our kids that if someone has something that they don't, they are entitled to take it. Steal from the rich, is the current thought process being taught!

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09-21-2011, 11:16 AM	#36
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,597 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,457 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	One other reason This is somewhat like entitled: I saw it, wanted it, but didn't want to pay for it (had the money). Afterall, their prices have the cost of shoplifting built in, so why shouldn't I do it. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

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09-29-2011, 06:02 AM	#39
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,746 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	Off the top of my head, and with no real knowledge about this, I assume that when an adult, 18-years & older, gets convicted for shoplifting, that charge stays on their criminal record forever, and maybe even longer, because it can be used as a deciding factor to send you straight to Hell, after you die......honest! Deep down in Hell, the shoplifters all group together, and spend all their day suffering from too much hot feet, from standing around on those burning hot sands of Hell.....just like the white, sandy beach in Weirs Beach in July.......ouchey-ouchey......oh Lordy.....give me some relief from these burning sands of Hell......all for shoplifting a 58-dollar, cd-vcr playback recorder for use with that new wide screen tv from Wal-Mart or something! Probably, not worth the risk? __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!