Life Jackets for Children

Bear Islander · 08-17-2007, 09:12 AM

Starting today children 12 and under must be wearing a PFD.

VitaBene · 08-20-2007, 08:33 PM

Good!! That is a good rule.

KTO · 08-20-2007, 10:56 PM

Wow I didn't even know that was under discussion. I did believe that it was a stupid rule before (what was it 3 or 4 years old?).

Good though, it's safer that way.

Wasn't there a higher age a few years ago (Wasn't it 12 at one point in time in the recent past?)

NightWing · 08-21-2007, 12:50 AM

Previously 5 years and under (under 6).

ApS · 08-21-2007, 04:57 AM

Based on what we've seen about being visible "in the water", I'd suggest yellow or orange vests. I watched a mom distribute five little PFDs last weekend when getting on plane: all PFDs were black in color.

Caruso · 08-28-2007, 04:40 PM

Bear Islander, where did you see the 12 year old rule is now on the books? I looked on the Marine Patrol and department of Saftey but there was no mention.

Thanks

Bear Islander · 08-28-2007, 05:12 PM

New Hampshire PFD Requirement

On June 18, 2007 Governor John Lynch signed into law House Bill 519, changing the minimum age for mandatory wear of PFDs. Currently, children 5 years and under are required to wear a Coast Guard approved PFD, this new law would increase the PFD age requirement to children 12 years and under. This new law will go into effect on August 17, 2007. House Bill 519 may be viewed at http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...07/hb0519.html

LIforrelaxin · 08-28-2007, 09:33 PM

I think this is a great thing. I was a little upset a few years back when I went looking and found that life jackets by law where only required until age 5. At least now I know there won't be any arguments until age 12. Of course as my niece and nephew have found out..... There is the law.... and then there is the Captians rule..... I keep them in jackets until the prove to me they are strong swimmers.....

KTO · 08-29-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

..... There is the law.... and then there is the Captians rule.....

The captain's word is law

Bear Islander · 08-30-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KTO

The captain's word is law

Except when his wife is also in the boat!

winnilaker · 08-30-2007, 09:10 PM

One of the reasons the new bill was introduced was from this Boating Safety Alert from National Transportation Safety Board.

http://www.ntsb.gov/alerts/SA_007.pdf

While we didn't quite enact 13, 12 was better than 5. So we have 2 of the 3 recommendations in this report. I wish we could do they the 3rd.

Skip · 08-30-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by winnilaker

...While we didn't quite enact 13, 12 was better than 5. So we have 2 of the 3 recommendations in this report. I wish we could do they the 3rd...

Actually we do meet all three. The report you reference recommends "under the age of 13" and NH law requires all children "12 and under" wear PFDs. While the legalese is slightly different, they both say the same....that all children under thirteen must wear a PFD.

NightWing · 08-30-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

Actually we do meet all three. The report you reference recommends "under the age of 13" and NH law requires all children "12 and under" wear PFDs. While the legalese is slightly different, they both say the same....that all children under thirteen must wear a PFD.

Likewise the "5 years and under" is actually under 6.

Island Life · 09-01-2007, 09:01 PM

Do 12 and unders need to have their life jackets on at all times when they are out on the boat or just when the boat is moving? If we're anchored to fish or swim, can they take them off?

Caruso · 09-10-2007, 07:20 AM

Was this law based on stats of how many 12 and under kids have drowned in NH in the last X amount of years or is this another law to help me protect my self like the seat belt law, oh yea there isnt one? In my recolection all the people drowning in the last 5 years, in Winni at least, have been over 40. So I ask why is there any age limit for life jackets?

The current seat belt law is 8 and under. My conclusion is there must be less car accidents then boating accidents.

NightWing · 09-10-2007, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Caruso

The current seat belt law is 8 and under. My conclusion is there must be less car accidents then boating accidents.

Wrong. The current law is under 18.

Skip · 09-10-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Island Life

Do 12 and unders need to have their life jackets on at all times when they are out on the boat or just when the boat is moving? If we're anchored to fish or swim, can they take them off?

Very good question, and the answer is "...only when the vessel is underway..."

However, hopefully everyone will use common sense and still have flotation devices available and worn when the situation dictates, regardless of whether the vessel is underway or not.

winnilaker · 09-10-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

Actually we do meet all three.

I was actually referring to the 3rd recommendation requiring a boating operator license. We meet the children PFD and the boating safety course requirement but I don't believe NH requires a boating operator license. That's how I read the recommendation, maybe the boating operator license is our certificate.

NightWing · 09-10-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by winnilaker

I was actually referring to the 3rd recommendation requiring a boating operator license. We meet the children PFD and the boating safety course requirement but I don't believe NH requires a boating operator license. That's how I read the recommendation, maybe the boating operator license is our certificate.

In New Hampshire, you need a Boating Education Certificate. The term "license" is not used.

secondcurve · 09-10-2007, 07:17 PM

"Was this law based on stats of how many 12 and under kids have drowned in NH in the last X amount of years or is this another law to help me protect my self like the seat belt law, oh yea there isnt one? In my recolection all the people drowning in the last 5 years, in Winni at least, have been over 40. So I ask why is there any age limit for life jackets?"

Caruso: You should ask Boat Guy 64 what he thinks of the law. I'll bet it saved a few lives last week when 4-kids got dumped into rough waters due to a catistrophic failure of a brand new Cobalt. Finally, the law isn't in place to protect you from yourself, it's in place to protect your kids from you.

Phantom · 09-11-2007, 07:02 AM

First off -- I am a strong proponent for Life Jackets on children 12 & younger and I'm sure I'll take a lot of "bullets" from the forum for that.

It has always amazed me that NH has had it's mandatory Life Jacket age so low in years past. The rational of the proposed update may be as innocuious as getting the State more in line with the majority of the rest of the States (i.e. seat belt law's). Remember we all say there should be "one" boating licence good for all states? Well then the Laws need to be more uniform.

I also believe many times these (and other) Laws are put in place to protect the ones who travel with an Angel on their shoulder (i.e. the Idiots). Consider a bow rider, 2 or 3 ten year olds -- naturally goofing around -- then you enter the Broads with 3 foot swells and some cross-chop for good measure. I'm personally happy as #ell that I don't have to argue with the kids that "now it's time to put on your jackets" ........ ! We come from Mass -- every child under 12 has always worn a PFD in our boat. And quite frankly, if it's a Toddler -- they get jacketed "on the dock" - I've seen enough adults slip and take a dip getting in or out of a boat - I sure as heck don't want a 5 or 6 yr old down there. Makes for a bad boating day.

I know NH loves to live by the "Live Free or Die" motto -- and I commend that -- but come on -- we're talking common sense here, and child safety. If the parent isn't smart enough to require it -- the State does!! Similar to the requirements before and after getting a drivers license for teenagers (who know and are experts in everything).

Caruso · 09-11-2007, 07:54 AM

Sorry, Night Wing, 18 is correct. (Fat thumbs)

bigpatsfan · 10-09-2007, 07:57 PM

Why only up to 12 years old?? Why not up to 18 years old which is the age of adulthood??? After all, anyone under the age of 18 is not considered an adult so why shouldn’t we protect them against the North Sea like waves of Lake Winnipesaukee.

Lets face it, teenagers and coordination?? Shouldn’t we protect these kids? How can we turn our backs on these young adults?

As I think about this law, what I am thinking is that we should institute a test to determine swimming ability. Given the fact that most of the boats on the lake are small (less than 40 feet) I would guess that being tossed overboard is a very real hazard so if you want to travel on the lake sans a life vest you need to pass a swimming test… you know tread water for 30 minutes.. swim a mile…etc. If you do not pass the swim test, you will be required to wear a life jacket at all times.

Also, we need to protect the elderly, maybe require someone older than XX to wear a life jacket. We need to protect these people as they typically do not want to admit that their physical abilities are not what they used to be.

Hey, I just wanted to have some fun and had extra time to kill..

Alton Bay Bob · 10-09-2007, 08:18 PM

As a Massachusetts resident, I used to love the NH live free or die mentality. (can't buy the motor cycle law different discussion) But I believe the laws regarding people under 12 is a good one. As captain of my little boat I will absolutely make certain that everyone who can not swim wear a life preserver. that would include people between 12- 18 and senior citizens and everyone in between.. I agree that "we" need to protect these people however, The "we" that need to protect people are not the police or the lawmakers of this state.... the "we" are the captains of our little boats who use common sense and intelligence!! I believe it is time to honestly say that it is not the state... but it is "us" who have to take safety to the next level!!!

SBC · 10-16-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

There is the law.... and then there is the Captians rule..... I keep them in jackets until the prove to me they are strong swimmers.....

So long as the Captain obeys the laws. Why stop enforcing it when you feel they are good swimmers? PFDs are analogous to seat belts. Both will save lives but only if you wear them. The use of both doesn't have to stop at the age that the law says. When I see adults wearing their PFDs, I see someone practicing safety and using good common sense.

I believe that this new law puts us back on par with the federal requirements (USCG) for mandatory PFD usage. Less confusion for boaters coming from those states that are already there.

08-17-2007, 09:12 AM	#1
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	Life Jackets for Children Starting today children 12 and under must be wearing a PFD.

08-21-2007, 04:57 AM	#5
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 5,937 Thanks: 2,205 Thanked 776 Times in 553 Posts	Based on what we've seen about being visible "in the water", I'd suggest yellow or orange vests. I watched a mom distribute five little PFDs last weekend when getting on plane: all PFDs were black in color. __________________ Is it "Common Sense" isn't.

08-28-2007, 04:40 PM	#6
Caruso Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Life Jackets Bear Islander, where did you see the 12 year old rule is now on the books? I looked on the Marine Patrol and department of Saftey but there was no mention. Thanks

08-28-2007, 09:33 PM	#8
LIforrelaxin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas, Lake Ray Hubbard and NH, Long Island Winnipesaukee Posts: 2,870 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 892 Times in 524 Posts	It about time I think this is a great thing. I was a little upset a few years back when I went looking and found that life jackets by law where only required until age 5. At least now I know there won't be any arguments until age 12. Of course as my niece and nephew have found out..... There is the law.... and then there is the Captians rule..... I keep them in jackets until the prove to me they are strong swimmers..... __________________ Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....

08-30-2007, 09:10 PM	#11
winnilaker Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 95 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Alert supporting new bill One of the reasons the new bill was introduced was from this Boating Safety Alert from National Transportation Safety Board. http://www.ntsb.gov/alerts/SA_007.pdf While we didn't quite enact 13, 12 was better than 5. So we have 2 of the 3 recommendations in this report. I wish we could do they the 3rd.

08-20-2007, 08:33 PM	#2
VitaBene Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 3,575 Thanks: 1,609 Thanked 1,632 Times in 839 Posts	Good!! That is a good rule.

08-20-2007, 10:56 PM	#3
KTO Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Meredith, NH Posts: 391 Thanks: 30 Thanked 117 Times in 26 Posts	Wow I didn't even know that was under discussion. I did believe that it was a stupid rule before (what was it 3 or 4 years old?). Good though, it's safer that way. Wasn't there a higher age a few years ago (Wasn't it 12 at one point in time in the recent past?)

08-21-2007, 12:50 AM	#4
NightWing Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 410 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Previously 5 years and under (under 6).

08-28-2007, 05:12 PM	#7
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	New Hampshire PFD Requirement On June 18, 2007 Governor John Lynch signed into law House Bill 519, changing the minimum age for mandatory wear of PFDs. Currently, children 5 years and under are required to wear a Coast Guard approved PFD, this new law would increase the PFD age requirement to children 12 years and under. This new law will go into effect on August 17, 2007. House Bill 519 may be viewed at http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...07/hb0519.html

09-01-2007, 09:01 PM	#14
Island Life Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 273 Thanks: 12 Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Do 12 and unders need to have their life jackets on at all times when they are out on the boat or just when the boat is moving? If we're anchored to fish or swim, can they take them off? __________________ Island Life the way my grandparents' grandparents enjoyed it - but with a faster boat!!!

09-10-2007, 07:20 AM	#15
Caruso Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Was this law based on stats of how many 12 and under kids have drowned in NH in the last X amount of years or is this another law to help me protect my self like the seat belt law, oh yea there isnt one? In my recolection all the people drowning in the last 5 years, in Winni at least, have been over 40. So I ask why is there any age limit for life jackets? The current seat belt law is 8 and under. My conclusion is there must be less car accidents then boating accidents.

09-10-2007, 07:17 PM	#20
secondcurve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,117 Thanks: 1,325 Thanked 559 Times in 288 Posts	"Was this law based on stats of how many 12 and under kids have drowned in NH in the last X amount of years or is this another law to help me protect my self like the seat belt law, oh yea there isnt one? In my recolection all the people drowning in the last 5 years, in Winni at least, have been over 40. So I ask why is there any age limit for life jackets?" Caruso: You should ask Boat Guy 64 what he thinks of the law. I'll bet it saved a few lives last week when 4-kids got dumped into rough waters due to a catistrophic failure of a brand new Cobalt. Finally, the law isn't in place to protect you from yourself, it's in place to protect your kids from you.

09-11-2007, 07:02 AM	#21
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	First off -- I am a strong proponent for Life Jackets on children 12 & younger and I'm sure I'll take a lot of "bullets" from the forum for that. It has always amazed me that NH has had it's mandatory Life Jacket age so low in years past. The rational of the proposed update may be as innocuious as getting the State more in line with the majority of the rest of the States (i.e. seat belt law's). Remember we all say there should be "one" boating licence good for all states? Well then the Laws need to be more uniform. I also believe many times these (and other) Laws are put in place to protect the ones who travel with an Angel on their shoulder (i.e. the Idiots). Consider a bow rider, 2 or 3 ten year olds -- naturally goofing around -- then you enter the Broads with 3 foot swells and some cross-chop for good measure. I'm personally happy as #ell that I don't have to argue with the kids that "now it's time to put on your jackets" ........ ! We come from Mass -- every child under 12 has always worn a PFD in our boat. And quite frankly, if it's a Toddler -- they get jacketed "on the dock" - I've seen enough adults slip and take a dip getting in or out of a boat - I sure as heck don't want a 5 or 6 yr old down there. Makes for a bad boating day. I know NH loves to live by the "Live Free or Die" motto -- and I commend that -- but come on -- we're talking common sense here, and child safety. If the parent isn't smart enough to require it -- the State does!! Similar to the requirements before and after getting a drivers license for teenagers (who know and are experts in everything). __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

09-11-2007, 07:54 AM	#22
Caruso Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sorry, Night Wing, 18 is correct. (Fat thumbs)

10-09-2007, 07:57 PM	#23
bigpatsfan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 86 Thanks: 21 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts	Why only up to 12 years old?? Why not up to 18 years old which is the age of adulthood??? After all, anyone under the age of 18 is not considered an adult so why shouldn’t we protect them against the North Sea like waves of Lake Winnipesaukee. Lets face it, teenagers and coordination?? Shouldn’t we protect these kids? How can we turn our backs on these young adults? As I think about this law, what I am thinking is that we should institute a test to determine swimming ability. Given the fact that most of the boats on the lake are small (less than 40 feet) I would guess that being tossed overboard is a very real hazard so if you want to travel on the lake sans a life vest you need to pass a swimming test… you know tread water for 30 minutes.. swim a mile…etc. If you do not pass the swim test, you will be required to wear a life jacket at all times. Also, we need to protect the elderly, maybe require someone older than XX to wear a life jacket. We need to protect these people as they typically do not want to admit that their physical abilities are not what they used to be. Hey, I just wanted to have some fun and had extra time to kill..

10-09-2007, 08:18 PM	#24
Alton Bay Bob Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Enough laws As a Massachusetts resident, I used to love the NH live free or die mentality. (can't buy the motor cycle law different discussion) But I believe the laws regarding people under 12 is a good one. As captain of my little boat I will absolutely make certain that everyone who can not swim wear a life preserver. that would include people between 12- 18 and senior citizens and everyone in between.. I agree that "we" need to protect these people however, The "we" that need to protect people are not the police or the lawmakers of this state.... the "we" are the captains of our little boats who use common sense and intelligence!! I believe it is time to honestly say that it is not the state... but it is "us" who have to take safety to the next level!!!