What went wrong?

Aguamenti · 06-10-2013, 08:26 PM

Gearing up for our first full summer on our boat, I've been reviewing the safety guides and watching some videos.

Can anyone tell me what went wrong here? Did this guy head into a wake at 90 degrees? Any insight is appreciated. As a newbie, I'd kind of like to know what NOT to do too!!

http://youtu.be/68AOltMu768

Par Four · 06-10-2013, 09:31 PM

WHAT was that? Or maybe, what was THAT?

Aguamenti · 06-10-2013, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Par Four

WHAT was that? Or maybe, what was THAT?

Ok you are laughing at me... It's ok. I would still like to know what this guy did wrong so that I will never make this mistake with my mom and 4 kids with me.

jean4 · 06-10-2013, 10:40 PM

I am guessing the ballest tanks were full. Looks like hitting the wake shifted all the water forward and submerged the bow..

Resident 2B · 06-10-2013, 10:52 PM

It looks to me that the bow was riding very low. Could be load near the bow that we cannot see or maybe the trim was driving the bow down. Maybe even both.

The wake was not that big, but he took it straight on, something you do not want to do, However, when he hit the wake the bow did not jump up as I would have expected from a well trimmed and well loaded boat.

If he cut the power just before hitting the wake, that could have driven the bow down as well. Bottom line, this is very unusual behavior for a boat.

Good luck out there and keep asking questions. That is how to learn.

R2B

brk-lnt · 06-11-2013, 05:44 AM

The shot is too tight to really see what was going on around him. But it *looks* as if he was turning into a wake (you see the bow os his boat bounce a little) and then suddenly submerged. Given that it looks like some kind of a wake boat, I'm guessing as well that the sudden dip in speed caused ballast weight to shift forward and push the bow down into a trough of a wake, which then came over the bow.

winnipiseogee · 06-11-2013, 06:15 AM

Watch his eyes in the seconds before they go under and think about how well this is filmed. My guess is that it was an intentional act meant to be filmed. As to how I'm not really sure.

I agree though - keep asking every question you can. Better to be safe!!

tis · 06-11-2013, 06:25 AM

It HAD to be a wake, because that lake looked perfectly calm.

jetlag100 · 06-11-2013, 07:44 AM

Who fist bumps the air after having this happen? Definitely planned

MJM · 06-11-2013, 07:58 AM

They clearly did it intentionally...you can see the passenger turn/brace, the driver works the throttle and steering, etc.

Dumb!

AC2717 · 06-11-2013, 08:09 AM

how stupid, and that was definatley planned see how hard he cuts the wheel and also cuts the engine how stupid seriously

Par Four · 06-11-2013, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguamenti

Ok you are laughing at me... It's ok. I would still like to know what this guy did wrong so that I will never make this mistake with my mom and 4 kids with me.

No, not at all. I'm standing next to you saying "huh?, how did that happen?" And then following up with "why did that happen? How can I prevent that / avoid that when I'm out there with my family?" Just as you posted.

As with all the other comments:
- intentionally done
- not a rogue wave
- must be a wake ( yet no other waves in sight? )
- flat lake conditions
- tight camera angle / frame doesn't give the full picture of what's happening
- passenger turns & appears to brace
- celebratory wave to the onlookers

So what happened next?
- did the engine die out, could it still be able to run getting air and providing spark?
- is the battery bank able to power the bilge pumps
- can the bilge pump run long enough to toss enough water out to navigate the boat if its still running.
- how long would you need to pump manually to empty that boat?
- do friends pull along side and lend potable pumps?
- you couldn't winch that baby onto a trailer, so it'd need to be a float on trailer
- better have a really stout tow vehicle and a great ramp
- how long does it take for the boat to dry out?
- how good is your mechanic with intermittent electrical issues?

And in conclusion, this certainly fits at least 2 out of 3, maybe 3 fer 3: Dumb, Dumber, Dumbest!

NHBUOY · 06-11-2013, 09:01 AM

The move WAS intentional. It was at a ski show for entertainment. The move is basically a power slide with full bladders. I don't understand why he would do that with a bow rider though. It must be a V-drive boat considering it was a right hand spin. We used to do that with the resorters' with direct drive and the spin could ONLY be done successfully to the left. I speak from mucho experience.
Beware MasterCrafts for sale in that neighborhood.

Phantom · 06-11-2013, 10:25 AM

Being as the boat is registered in Minnesota I sure hope that was last year as the water there is STIL mighty cold!

Truly done intentionally -- watch the passenger "Brace" for it just seconds before !!

LIforrelaxin · 06-11-2013, 03:52 PM

As everyone has said here that was done on purpose... Look at the reactions of the driver and passenger... Why? is the better question, I certainly hope that it was part of a show of some sort, but if not, it is a reckless act. It had nothing to do with trying to power slide the boat or anything like that. A large enough wake was produced and the power of the boat was cut out causing the bow to dive into the trough and scoop up water...

Yankee · 06-11-2013, 04:28 PM

I agree that this was staged. This is a perfect example why bow riders can be dangerous. I have seen these types of boats take in water over the bow in rough water; it ends up in the bilge resulting with the transom getting perilously close to the water line before pump can get the water out. I will never own a bow rider, and don't like riding in them.

polarisman14 · 06-11-2013, 07:04 PM

^^Any boat can be dangerous if you go out of your way to find the most dangerous maneuver for it. If he had the bow up and hit the wake at an angle like you would under normal circumstances it would have been the least entertaining video ever.

Aguamenti · 06-11-2013, 09:41 PM

Thank you for all of the insight, I really appreciate it. Just reading the forums here makes me feel better equipped to be a safe and responsible boater this summer. (Seriously, I even learned about the hazard of using bumpers in the Restaurant forum's AKWA thread).

We will be in a slip at Lane's End this summer. If anyone ever wants to take a ride with me to share some of your local lake knowledge, I'd love to buy you lunch and a beer somewhere.

dpg · 06-12-2013, 05:58 AM

I thought he ran out of leash.

chasedawg · 06-12-2013, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguamenti

Thank you for all of the insight, I really appreciate it. Just reading the forums here makes me feel better equipped to be a safe and responsible boater this summer. (Seriously, I even learned about the hazard of using bumpers in the Restaurant forum's AKWA thread).

We will be in a slip at Lane's End this summer. If anyone ever wants to take a ride with me to share some of your local lake knowledge, I'd love to buy you lunch and a beer somewhere.

I will send you a PM

LIforrelaxin · 06-12-2013, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguamenti

Thank you for all of the insight, I really appreciate it. Just reading the forums here makes me feel better equipped to be a safe and responsible boater this summer. (Seriously, I even learned about the hazard of using bumpers in the Restaurant forum's AKWA thread).

We will be in a slip at Lane's End this summer. If anyone ever wants to take a ride with me to share some of your local lake knowledge, I'd love to buy you lunch and a beer somewhere.

If you are seriously looking for some company on a boat ride to learn more about the lake, and boat on it... feel free to shot me a PM...... I myself am up in Moultonborough...

Aguamenti · 06-12-2013, 12:16 PM

Thanks chasedawg and LI! We will be up as soon as the kids get out of school in 2 weeks.

DBreskin · 06-17-2013, 08:33 AM

Jet boats submarine intentionally all the time by simply throwing the controls into reverse suddenly. Here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hOzuJ-eXrA

chipj29 · 06-18-2013, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DBreskin

Jet boats submarine intentionally all the time by simply throwing the controls into reverse suddenly. Here's an example:

Yeah I can do it pretty easily on my Sea Doo PWC. Just have to find the right speed (not very fast) and yank the reverse. 2 years ago I bent the rod that goes from the handle to the reverse bucket, so I won't be doing that anymore.

ITD · 06-18-2013, 08:17 AM

He popped it into reverse, hitting a wake would not submerge the boat like that, that takes horsepower. Hitting a wake would just fill the boat up with some water, BTDT. You can also see the boat is moving in reverse when he pops back out of the water. I did this on my PWC before trying to stop quickly. I ended up with my head a foot under water sitting on the PWC, popped back up when I stopped. Two kids on another jet ski thought it was the coolest thing ever, me not so much.

Aguamenti · 06-18-2013, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBreskin

Jet boats submarine intentionally all the time by simply throwing the controls into reverse suddenly. Here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hOzuJ-eXrA

I guess it's good to know it was intentional, but that sort of begs the question as to WHY anyone would ever want to do this? It looks awful to me.

06-10-2013, 08:26 PM	#1
Aguamenti Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: MA/Tuftonboro Posts: 143 Thanks: 95 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	What went wrong? Gearing up for our first full summer on our boat, I've been reviewing the safety guides and watching some videos. Can anyone tell me what went wrong here? Did this guy head into a wake at 90 degrees? Any insight is appreciated. As a newbie, I'd kind of like to know what NOT to do too!! http://youtu.be/68AOltMu768

06-11-2013, 05:44 AM	#6
brk-lnt Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: South Down Shores Posts: 1,944 Thanks: 544 Thanked 570 Times in 335 Posts	The shot is too tight to really see what was going on around him. But it looks as if he was turning into a wake (you see the bow os his boat bounce a little) and then suddenly submerged. Given that it looks like some kind of a wake boat, I'm guessing as well that the sudden dip in speed caused ballast weight to shift forward and push the bow down into a trough of a wake, which then came over the bow. __________________ [insert witty phrase here]

06-11-2013, 08:09 AM	#11
AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,573 Thanks: 753 Thanked 354 Times in 266 Posts	how stupid, and that was definatley planned see how hard he cuts the wheel and also cuts the engine how stupid seriously __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"

06-11-2013, 10:25 AM	#14
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	Being as the boat is registered in Minnesota I sure hope that was last year as the water there is STIL mighty cold! Truly done intentionally -- watch the passenger "Brace" for it just seconds before !! __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

06-11-2013, 03:52 PM	#15
LIforrelaxin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas, Lake Ray Hubbard and NH, Long Island Winnipesaukee Posts: 2,871 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 892 Times in 524 Posts	As everyone has said here that was done on purpose... Look at the reactions of the driver and passenger... Why? is the better question, I certainly hope that it was part of a show of some sort, but if not, it is a reckless act. It had nothing to do with trying to power slide the boat or anything like that. A large enough wake was produced and the power of the boat was cut out causing the bow to dive into the trough and scoop up water... __________________ Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....

06-10-2013, 09:31 PM	#2
Par Four Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Central MA Posts: 77 Thanks: 23 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	WHAT was that? Or maybe, what was THAT?

06-10-2013, 10:40 PM	#4
jean4 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Georgetown/Gilford Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I am guessing the ballest tanks were full. Looks like hitting the wake shifted all the water forward and submerged the bow..

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06-10-2013, 10:52 PM	#5
Resident 2B Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Shore, MA Posts: 1,357 Thanks: 994 Thanked 313 Times in 163 Posts	It looks to me that the bow was riding very low. Could be load near the bow that we cannot see or maybe the trim was driving the bow down. Maybe even both. The wake was not that big, but he took it straight on, something you do not want to do, However, when he hit the wake the bow did not jump up as I would have expected from a well trimmed and well loaded boat. If he cut the power just before hitting the wake, that could have driven the bow down as well. Bottom line, this is very unusual behavior for a boat. Good luck out there and keep asking questions. That is how to learn. R2B

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06-11-2013, 06:15 AM	#7
winnipiseogee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 297 Thanks: 67 Thanked 152 Times in 79 Posts	Watch his eyes in the seconds before they go under and think about how well this is filmed. My guess is that it was an intentional act meant to be filmed. As to how I'm not really sure. I agree though - keep asking every question you can. Better to be safe!!

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06-11-2013, 06:25 AM	#8
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,715 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,456 Times in 1,013 Posts	It HAD to be a wake, because that lake looked perfectly calm.

06-11-2013, 07:44 AM	#9
jetlag100 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Revere, Massachusetts and Moultonborough, N.H. Posts: 311 Thanks: 228 Thanked 79 Times in 50 Posts	Who fist bumps the air after having this happen? Definitely planned

06-11-2013, 07:58 AM	#10
MJM Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 23 Times in 11 Posts	They clearly did it intentionally...you can see the passenger turn/brace, the driver works the throttle and steering, etc. Dumb!

06-11-2013, 09:01 AM	#13
NHBUOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Loon Mtn. winters...Meredith Neck summers Posts: 398 Thanks: 288 Thanked 94 Times in 60 Posts	The move WAS intentional. It was at a ski show for entertainment. The move is basically a power slide with full bladders. I don't understand why he would do that with a bow rider though. It must be a V-drive boat considering it was a right hand spin. We used to do that with the resorters' with direct drive and the spin could ONLY be done successfully to the left. I speak from mucho experience. Beware MasterCrafts for sale in that neighborhood.

06-11-2013, 04:28 PM	#16
Yankee Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 150 Thanks: 19 Thanked 38 Times in 23 Posts	I agree that this was staged. This is a perfect example why bow riders can be dangerous. I have seen these types of boats take in water over the bow in rough water; it ends up in the bilge resulting with the transom getting perilously close to the water line before pump can get the water out. I will never own a bow rider, and don't like riding in them. __________________ __________________ __________________ So what have we learned in the past two thousand years? "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of Obamunism should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest the Republic become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." . . .Evidently nothing. (Cicero, 55 BC augmented by me, 2010 AD)

06-11-2013, 07:04 PM	#17
polarisman14 Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Gilmanton, NH Posts: 139 Thanks: 37 Thanked 23 Times in 20 Posts	^^Any boat can be dangerous if you go out of your way to find the most dangerous maneuver for it. If he had the bow up and hit the wake at an angle like you would under normal circumstances it would have been the least entertaining video ever. __________________ >>>Matt<<< To Tow: 2007 Honda Ridgeline RTL To Float: 1977 MFG Gypsy Star 17 O/B

06-11-2013, 09:41 PM	#18
Aguamenti Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: MA/Tuftonboro Posts: 143 Thanks: 95 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Thank you for all of the insight, I really appreciate it. Just reading the forums here makes me feel better equipped to be a safe and responsible boater this summer. (Seriously, I even learned about the hazard of using bumpers in the Restaurant forum's AKWA thread). We will be in a slip at Lane's End this summer. If anyone ever wants to take a ride with me to share some of your local lake knowledge, I'd love to buy you lunch and a beer somewhere.

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06-12-2013, 05:58 AM	#19
dpg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,591 Thanks: 150 Thanked 229 Times in 166 Posts	I thought he ran out of leash.

06-12-2013, 12:16 PM	#22
Aguamenti Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: MA/Tuftonboro Posts: 143 Thanks: 95 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Thanks chasedawg and LI! We will be up as soon as the kids get out of school in 2 weeks.

06-17-2013, 08:33 AM	#23
DBreskin Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Wolfeboro NH Posts: 283 Thanks: 143 Thanked 121 Times in 76 Posts	Jet boats submarine intentionally all the time by simply throwing the controls into reverse suddenly. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hOzuJ-eXrA

06-18-2013, 08:17 AM	#25
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,925 Thanks: 476 Thanked 691 Times in 387 Posts	He popped it into reverse, hitting a wake would not submerge the boat like that, that takes horsepower. Hitting a wake would just fill the boat up with some water, BTDT. You can also see the boat is moving in reverse when he pops back out of the water. I did this on my PWC before trying to stop quickly. I ended up with my head a foot under water sitting on the PWC, popped back up when I stopped. Two kids on another jet ski thought it was the coolest thing ever, me not so much.