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Originally Posted by Turtle Boy
????? VtSteve....lies about reasoning by speed limit proponents?
The premise that the GFBL's don't need speed limits because they can be trusted to do what is "reasonable and prudent" ?
Remember your high school Latin...res ipsa loquitur...the thing speaks for itself. Now the very visible spokesperson for the GFBL crowd appears to have done something very much less than reasonable and prudent resulting in a passenger's death. The other passenger states they were drinking at the Wolftrap. Formula boat planing at 02:30 in dark foggy conditions. " Hey, we don't need no limits".
Lies about reasoning huh?
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There have been two separate and distinct arguments on these threads, one for the GFBL focus and the others focused on safe boating in general. I understand some people's gpointing out in the irony of the tragedy that occured this month, but in reality, nothing that's been reported thus far makes your case for anything. I refuse to engage in speculation because anything could change in the next week or so. No sense making painful specualtion. I know you think drinking and boat accidents make a case for speed limits, and I generally have no idea how you get there except as an act of desperation. Your comment about "Formula boat planing at 02:30 in dark foggy conditions. " Hey, we don't need no limits", makes little sense. Passing a speed limit law would have changed what exactly in this case? If it was a 20' Bayliner what would have changed exactly?
"Reasonable and Prudent" is always what most of us hope for. If my boating experience of more than 40 years counts for anything, I would arrest all the drunks, ban PWC's, wakeboard boats, vessels trolling across channels widthways, and all cruisers making a wake I don't approve of. But alas, this will not happen. As much as we'd all like to see human behavior change so that we're all safe and happy, there is no magic wand. Boaters can help by calling in and reporting problems, especially repeated violations from the same people. Without the public's support, it's highly unlikely things will change.
I'd also like to add this. Between you and the other hack here. Continually pointing out any affiliation or positions that the victim's in this accident held, put you in the category of pond scum IMO. I know very well what your responses would be had a pontoon boat out partying late at night in the same circumstances would have been, and so do you. It's human nature for some folks to get so caught up in their crusading causes, just or not, to lose sight of the big picture.
Try to reflect upon what it is you're motivated in here. I'm primarily interested in boating safety, accident causes, and generally enjoyment of boating. I have no desire, nor the budget to go 100mph in a boat, not my thing. I'm also not into late night binge drinking on boats, and am scared as heck of those people, whether they are in a kayak or a 50' Outer Limits. The circumstances revealed thus far in this case have started to paint a picture, both of the events surrounding the accident, and of the posters on this forum.
I can honestly say that I have a great deal more respect for many on this forum now than when we were fiercely debating the SL topic. Congrats to the many that have shown the respect and humanity that has made boating such a great way of life for many. Regardless of differences, we share far more in common than we have differences. Some others have simply lost sight of the primary issues, and hopefully at one point, we can all become part of the solutions, or at least do our little part in reducing the problems.