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Old 10-23-2007, 08:19 AM   #31
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Default Radar Use...What We Learned Part II—NHMP

Continuing on the MP study:

6) The MPs recorded speeds in two-way traffic...

Even Captain B would slow down after going by the first time—much less those who could suffer points added to their insurance premiums. (Returning boats would be alerted to the MP presence).

Zones shouldn't be selected to measure speeds in both directionsan error.

7) The MPs averaged the boat speeds...

Why were average speeds calculated to include boats going less than 10-MPH?

Slow boats are not a group known for collision risk and should have been excludedan error.

8) The MPs announced radar speed detection zones...

You can't determine that speeds are down this year AND announce ongoing speed trials. (A really big error).

Warnings appeared for Lake Winnipesaukee on the Internet's ocean-racer sites!

9) The MPs arrived at figures measured-out to the hundredths...

Radar speeds were not measured out to "hundredths"—why are the average speeds measured to "hundredths"? Was it to put lipstick onto what is otherwise admittedly flawed data?

10) Results were thrown out by the MPs when a cosine was needed...

You calculate the cosine.

If you can't calculate the cosine, you shut off the radar and select an alternate effective study area in order to permit such calculations.

You never throw out results in a study
an error.

11) This season, the MPs added unmarked PWCs for the first time...

You can't determine a change in reckless boater frequency in 2007 by announcing that unmarked Marine Patrol units were added to Winnipesaukee for the first time.

Unless you want the data skewed, you don't change anything after a study is proposedanother error.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal
The most unsafe acts I've seen have had nothing to do with speed.
How many made serious headlines?

Quote:
Originally Posted by brk-lnt
I've also never really felt the lake was "clogged".
I agree, but it's clearly becoming less "clogged".

The NMMA Boat Builders Association is advertising "Discover Boating" because America's Middle Class is leaving boating! Hmmm. 'Wonder why?

Is it because NAMMI has been adding weight and horsepower every year—and because boating is becoming speedy-scary as a result?

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Originally Posted by Woodsy
"...APS & LI...You guys are bit wrong in some of your assumptions, and thats because you weren't at the hearing and you are going by what the reporter wrote. The reporter didn't get it completely correct. The MP actually did a pretty thorough survey and identified a few issues..."
Thank you for your input and opinion but much was already known—except for the taxpayer-purchase of extra radar—after a gift was already made of adequate radar for enforcement.

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Originally Posted by Dave R
C'mon, we all know that if UNH or any other reputable group, did a study, and it failed to show a need for a speed limit, you'd find all kinds of faults with it too.
I'd even invite NMMA (boat builders) to audit a UNH study.

(UNH is already on Lake Winnipesaukee, BTW). http://www.uwex.edu/ces/csreesvolmon...yResearch.html
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