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Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE
I'm not going to get into it with EL. I don't even see his posts ... there are those who are using the speed limits to push an agenda to ban a specific type of boat from the lake ...They do not care ... but use it as a way to vent their anger towards a specific group .... but to bash other members with clearly personal attacks, well beyond razzing, should not occur. I personally have choosen not to participate in those or even view many posts that have been nothing but inflametory....I believe there has been an agenda here from the beginning to try to get these discussions shut down ...Many tactics ... being a martyer ... flooding them with stories ...efforts to turn the threads into a battle field and get them locked down again...trying for a last ditch effort of constant personal attacks to flame the threads ...El...El...EL...Blah blah blah.
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For someone who allegedly has me "on Ignore", you surely seem to have a lot of knowledge about my posts, agenda and tactics. Notice that I ignore your posts except when you talk about or to me? If you and your buddies would do the same...it would be a better forum. Stop writing long posts outlining what you think is going on inside the minds of the supporters and focus on giving your opinions for why the SL is or is not not working...is or is not deserved...which is what this forum is for. Nobody visits this site to read what you think might be the "agenda" of somebody else. If they read it at all once they see the bickering, they read it to gain an education about the SL, not an education about you and me. Get off the "bash Ed" bandwagon and back to the reasons for/against the SL and see how fast the bickering stops. Look over my past posts. I only get personal in retaliation to personal attacks on me. Like they say about the Middle East; If you disarm the Muslims there will be peace...If you disarm the Israelis there will be annihilation.
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Originally Posted by BroadHopper
Even with a speed limit, there will be speeding. Just like on our highways today...Speed limit or no speed limit. We still have have a problem with 'boneheads'. We have 150' rule, right of way rule etc. I see them violated every day I am out on the lake. The point is, why have rules if no one is adhering to them. Education and enforcement are the two best weapons to prevent abuse in our arsenal. The skippers should be 100% educated by now. The loophole is the renters and boat owners who are registered outside of NH. Enforcement is a political 'hot potato'. The legislature don't believe the marine patrol is a crucial part of law enforcement. MP have always been underfunded and understaffed for the amount of territory that they have to cover. We need to convince the legislation that MP is just as important as any law enforcement agency. If we want folks to obey they laws we must hold them accountable. Education and enforcement will go a long way to keep our waterways safe! Let eliminate the education loophole and ask for more enforcement. Adding more rules and laws makes no sense without enforcement.  |
Great post Broadhopper. You stated your opinions about the SL, and you did not need to give your interpretation about what anyone else's opinions or agendas are. You did not need to insult or try to characterize any of those who disagree with you, and you did not try to lecture anyone or tell anyone how to live their lives better or become better persons. I totally disagree with your opinions, but that is what a debate is all about. Congratulations.
Now here's another fatal crash involving another "cigarette boat".
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/arti...ont/794025.txt
Try as hard as you all can to keep your replies limited to why this could never happen on Winnipesaukee if the SL is retracted, and try your best not to talk about me and my "agenda" for sharing it. Other readers are intelligent enough and can go to the link themselves and decide for themselves whether stuff like this is more or less likely to happen on a lake with a speed limit or on one without. Others can decide for themselves when they read all of these posts how likely it was that high speed was at least part of the cause in each and how relevant things like the age of the pilot or his mother's permission was. Tell us why this accident is or is not something that can happen on our lake and whether the chances are better or worse of it happening with a SL and we can all have a healthy debate. And don't answer with questions to me...
your replies are for
your opinions. You know mine. Bash me, my grammar, "my agenda" or my religion in your reply and we are back to square one.