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bigdog 07-19-2017 05:26 PM

Trouble shooting issue on friends boat
 
Trouble shooting issue on friends boat.

1986 Four Winns 21' bow rider
OMC outdrive

Boat is running real rough at WOT.
Boat seems to run fine at idle, even at 1/2 throttle.

Coil replaced last year.
Fresh gas
New water separating filter.
New gas filter
Just added gas additive to condition the gas and clean the carb.
Washed Flame arrester in cleaning fluid

With all this, still runs rough as described above.

Only other thing I could think of were spark plug wires loose from plugs or coil. Possibly maybe fuel pump ?

Thoughts?

HomeWood 07-19-2017 05:31 PM

Try new cap and rotor.

DBreskin 07-19-2017 05:36 PM

If there's a filter sock in the gas tank it may be clogged. You can eliminate fuel starvation by running off a portable can but be sure to set it up carefully to avoid an accident.

ishoot308 07-19-2017 05:37 PM

What Homewood said plus new plugs and wires...

Good Luck!

Dan

Dave R 07-19-2017 06:37 PM

Check fuel pressure at WOT, assuming it's carbureted, it should be around 6 PSI. If it's lower than that, it may be starving for fuel at WOT.

HomeWood 07-19-2017 07:30 PM

We used to have a 23' Monterey. It ran rough and sputtered one day. Pulled cap off and the contacts were all blueish green with some light corrosion. New cap and rotor from Trexlers and off it went.

bigdog 07-19-2017 08:20 PM

Thanks everyone for the suggestions !

Quick question......

If the issue is NOT happening at low speed, or 1/2 throttle why would a new Cap & Rotor affect WOT ?

Will check all mentioned and circle back once the issue has been solved !

8gv 07-19-2017 08:47 PM

Ingnition parts will leak electricity to unintended places. "Arcing" is what it's called.

Under a load they leak more.

Or it could be fuel strvation...

Waaaay back in the old 70's I opened the hood on a friend's misbehaving car.

It was night time and dark.

While he revved the engine I was treated to a light show around the plug wires!:eek:

Proper trouble shooting will lead you to the cause but if you wish to be a "parts changer" start with inspecting the rotor and cap. If they're not very clean replace them. If they're looking good, wires and plugs are next.

Or...it's fuel starvation...

rick35 07-19-2017 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomeWood (Post 282294)
Try new cap and rotor.

I replaced the cap, rotor, wires and plugs this spring and could not believe what a difference they all made. There was a lot of pitting on the cap. I don't know what the replacement frequency is but it probably should be every year or two.

dt5150 07-20-2017 07:40 AM

to me it sounds like the high speed jet in the carb is clogged, since you say it runs fine at idle and mid-range.

Dave R 07-20-2017 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dt5150 (Post 282328)
to me it sounds like the high speed jet in the carb is clogged, since you say it runs fine at idle and mid-range.

That would be very unusual. The mains are big enough for substantial crud to flow through and the metering rods will tend to break up the crud that collects.

AC2717 07-20-2017 08:11 AM

plugs, cap, rotor, wires and check the timing
is where I would start

LastonBoard 07-20-2017 09:06 AM

Failing fuel pump
 
I experienced a similar problem and it turned out to be a failing fuel pump. At low rpm the pump was able to provide enough fuel, but at WOT it was failing to push enough fuel. I could still run wot, but you could hear and feel slight hesitations in the engine as fuel pressure dipped.

bigdog 07-28-2017 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick35 (Post 282308)
I replaced the cap, rotor, wires and plugs this spring and could not believe what a difference they all made. There was a lot of pitting on the cap. I don't know what the replacement frequency is but it probably should be every year or two.

Rick35 and Homewood guessed correctly !

My friend had a local marine tech meet him at the dock, who found that the distributor cap was 'cracked' !

Tech replaced dist cap, Points, Rotor, Plugs, and now the boat runs like new.

Knowledge shared !

Thanks for everyone's feedback, always appreciated !

Bigdog

8gv 07-28-2017 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8gv (Post 282306)
Ingnition parts will leak electricity to unintended places. "Arcing" is what it's called.

Under a load they leak more.

Or it could be fuel strvation...

Waaaay back in the old 70's I opened the hood on a friend's misbehaving car.

It was night time and dark.

While he revved the engine I was treated to a light show around the plug wires!:eek:

Proper trouble shooting will lead you to the cause but if you wish to be a "parts changer" start with inspecting the rotor and cap. If they're not very clean replace them. If they're looking good, wires and plugs are next.

Or...it's fuel starvation...


You're welcome!

:D

rick35 07-28-2017 07:04 PM

This has been my year for engine repairs. Did the full tune up on the boat this spring and replaced a head gasket this week on my lawn tractor. Thank you youtube! Wouldn't have tried either without it.

HomeWood 07-31-2017 12:42 PM

Awesome! Glad it's fixed.


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