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Seaplane Pilot 09-12-2018 07:18 PM

Bell on board?
 
NH still requires any boat 26 feet LOA or over to carry a bell on board. However, US Coast Guard regulations changed, and now only require a bell on boats 65 feet or over. I wonder if NH will change their requirements to match USCG requirements? In addition, how many boats 26 feet or over operating on NH waters actually have a bell on board?

codeman671 09-12-2018 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot (Post 301903)
NH still requires any boat 26 feet or over to carry a bell on board. However, US Coast Guard regulations changed, and now only require a bell on boats 40 feet or over. I wonder if NH will change their requirements to match USCG requirements? In addition, how many boats 26 feet or over registered in actually have a bell on board?

I carry one of my 34’ on the lake. Not worth the hassle if I get stopped and someone wants to really crawl all over it. I got it years ago when I bought a 32’ Monterey from shepa and have moved it from boat to boat since. They included it in my safety package.

Seaplane Pilot 09-12-2018 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by codeman671 (Post 301904)
I carry one of my 34’ on the lake. Not worth the hassle if I get stopped and someone wants to really crawl all over it. I got it years ago when I bought a 32’ Monterey from shepa and have moved it from boat to boat since. They included it in my safety package.

A friend of mine got pinched by MP a couple of weeks ago for not having one on his boat, which is why I posted. I have had one on all of my boats that have been 26’ + since 2002.

Woodsy 09-12-2018 08:09 PM

Bell In A Box!
 
I have on on my 26zx... and all of my friends 26 & over have them too! We jokingly refer to them as "Bell In A Box" as they have never, and most likely will ever be used....


Woodsy

Seaplane Pilot 09-12-2018 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsy (Post 301907)
I have on on my 26zx... and all of my friends 26 & over have them too! We jokingly refer to them as "Bell In A Box" as they have never, and most likely will ever be used....


Woodsy

Too funny Woodsy! Mine is the same, it hasn’t seen the light of day in about 15 years! Maybe we could use them to summon the tender to bring us to the Dive!

NHskier 09-12-2018 09:01 PM

I carry one on my 26+ Cobalt. As others have mentioned, it's not worth it if stopped. The one and only time I've taken it out of the box was when I got it, just to see what it looked liked. :)

tis 09-13-2018 04:57 AM

Funny how the MP officer knew that rule but they don't understand about no wake, 150'rule, no rafting rules. And we too, do have a bell on the big boat.

Seaplane Pilot 09-13-2018 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tis (Post 301916)
Funny how the MP officer knew that rule but they don't understand about no wake, 150'rule, no rafting rules. And we too, do have a bell on the big boat.

I agree. Perhaps the new protocol should be to start ringing the bell immediately if pulled over by MP. Maybe it would solve the problem!

SIKSUKR 09-13-2018 09:46 AM

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I agree. Perhaps the new protocol should be to start ringing the bell immediately if pulled over by MP. Maybe it would solve the problem!

Haha. Who rang that bell?

Seaplane Pilot 09-13-2018 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR (Post 301930)
Haha. Who rang that bell?

Now that's a horse of a different color....C'mon in!

Descant 09-13-2018 03:56 PM

If you're in a NWZ and the bell rings by itself, slow down. I won't hear mine, it's in the box in storage someplace. But I have two horns and a whistle. Call me. I have a ringtone that sounds like a cow bell.

8gv 09-13-2018 05:02 PM

I had completely forgotten about this requirement.

My bell will be arriving soon.

It was $20 from Amazon.

Cal Coon 09-13-2018 05:59 PM

I was "escorted" back to the boat ramp, and kicked off the lake by MP for not having a whistle on my boat one time many years ago on Pawtuckaway Lake. He didn't appreciate me showing him that I can whistle (very loud) with my fingers... After I whistled with my fingers, he said to me, "how are you gonna do that if you get knocked out of the boat and get knocked unconscious", to which I replied, how am I going to blow a whistle if I'm unconscious?? He then proceeded to show me back to the ramp...

SIKSUKR 09-14-2018 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cal Coon (Post 301974)
I was "escorted" back to the boat ramp, and kicked off the lake by MP for not having a whistle on my boat one time many years ago on Pawtuckaway Lake. He didn't appreciate me showing him that I can whistle (very loud) with my fingers... After I whistled with my fingers, he said to me, "how are you gonna do that if you get knocked out of the boat and get knocked unconscious", to which I replied, how am I going to blow a whistle if I'm unconscious?? He then proceeded to show me back to the ramp...

To which I would have replied,"if I get thrown out of the boat I cant use the whistle thats in the boat but I certainly can use my built in one".

Phantom 09-14-2018 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal Coon (Post 301974)
I was "escorted" back to the boat ramp, and kicked off the lake by MP for not having a whistle on my boat one time many years ago on Pawtuckaway Lake. He didn't appreciate me showing him that I can whistle (very loud) with my fingers... After I whistled with my fingers, he said to me, "how are you gonna do that if you get knocked out of the boat and get knocked unconscious", to which I replied, how am I going to blow a whistle if I'm unconscious?? He then proceeded to show me back to the ramp...

Finally found someone cut from the same cloth as me !!

Most would say, yes sir/ No sir .....

Love it Cal Coon !!!


Years past I had a boat “Vanity Registration” ( single digit ) at the time it was Registered in MA and I got pulled by MP for not having the 3 leading zero’s. He went on to tell me that it was the law in NH — to which I reminded him the boat is registered in MA ! Dumbfounded he did a complete safety check & left.

MA has since changed their laws (btw)

Cal Coon 09-14-2018 06:39 PM

Yes Sir / No Sir is usually for those trying to hide something... Been there, done that!! I have no problem looking them right in the eye these days!! Vanity registration numbers would be a great way of raising "more" revenue instead of a kayak tax (or some other stupid tax proposal) as mentioned in another post!! Getting "creative" like that is the best way to raise "more" revenue instead of new taxes on everyone, or a "certain group". Maybe they could start a new lottery game just to help fund Fish and Game. Last time I checked, people love to gamble. I know this because I ALWAYS seem to get stuck behind them in line at the gas station!!!

ThePlut 09-17-2018 10:09 AM

Yup
 
Yup, I do now. Completely forgot about the rule and a few years back I got pulled over for something else and got a ticket for not having the bell.

I had to go buy a bell, and have the place I bought it fill out a card that said I bought a bell, and send that to the MP.

That bell has never been rung...

8gv 09-17-2018 10:13 PM

Has anyone ever seen the specs for the required bell?

Seaplane Pilot 09-18-2018 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 8gv (Post 302216)
Has anyone ever seen the specs for the required bell?

I have not found any specs / size requirements for the bell required by State of NH for boats 26 feet+ operating on inland waters. Federal requirements state that any vessel 20 meters+ must have a bell with a dimension of 300 millimeters (11.82 inches). I have a bell that’s about 3” diameter with a wooden handle, which satisfies the State requirements as far as I’m concerned.

loonguy 09-18-2018 06:15 AM

Does the law specify when the bell should be used? Is it just a back up to the horn and whistle?

tis 09-18-2018 06:18 AM

I thought I heard NH changed the law and you didn't need a bell any more. Guess I was wrong.

TCC 09-18-2018 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by loonguy (Post 302228)
Does the law specify when the bell should be used? Is it just a back up to the horn and whistle?

To loonguy's point, if the state has a rule requiring a bell, then a reasonable person would think that there must also be rules specifying when and how said bell is to be used. Can anyone here cite these rules? And why only for boats over a certain length?

Woodsy 09-18-2018 08:06 AM

Its for use in foggy situations.... the fog carries the tone of the bell farther than other sounds.

Woodsy

loonguy 09-18-2018 10:35 AM

So a fog bell serves the same purpose as a fog horn, which presumably could be any horn?? I still don't get the legal justification for a bell, or for the 26' threshold issue raised by TCC. Having said that, however, it seems to me that a bell might be a good addition for a less abrasive notice to others that I am in their vicinity and a good addition aesthetically to my boat so I will be shopping. Any suggestions?

Seaplane Pilot 09-18-2018 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by loonguy (Post 302256)
So a fog bell serves the same purpose as a fog horn, which presumably could be any horn?? I still don't get the legal justification for a bell, or for the 26' threshold issue raised by TCC. Having said that, however, it seems to me that a bell might be a good addition for a less abrasive notice to others that I am in their vicinity and a good addition aesthetically to my boat so I will be shopping. Any suggestions?

I have something similar to this:

https://www.amazon.com/Small-Solid-B.../dp/B003BVWYQ8

tis 09-18-2018 01:28 PM

Our bell is attached to the boat so when it is rough out in the broads it drives you crazy constantly ringing.

Descant 09-18-2018 03:53 PM

My last boat had the clapper removed by a previous owner. During an inspection, it looks like a bell, and checks the box. Why not wrap some bubble wrap around the clapper?

OR ...

Wait for it...

...cut a one inch slice off your foam noodle and put it over the clapper!

tis 09-18-2018 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Descant (Post 302282)
My last boat had the clapper removed by a previous owner. During an inspection, it looks like a bell, and checks the box. Why not wrap some bubble wrap around the clapper?

OR ...

Wait for it...

...cut a one inch slice off your foam noodle and put it over the clapper!

:laugh::laugh: Kind of defeats the purpose of having a bell though.

ApS 09-19-2018 03:59 AM

In Fog, Bell-Buoy's "Ring" Carries for Miles...
 
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Originally Posted by loonguy (Post 302256)
So a fog bell serves the same purpose as a fog horn, which presumably could be any horn?? I still don't get the legal justification for a bell, or for the 26' threshold issue raised by TCC. Having said that, however, it seems to me that a bell might be a good addition for a less abrasive notice to others that I am in their vicinity and a good addition aesthetically to my boat so I will be shopping. Any suggestions?

If you've passed by New York's "The Race" narrows on Long Island—and "felt" its fog horn—you'll know the difference immediately. :eek:

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Originally Posted by Woodsy (Post 302240)
Its for use in foggy situations.... the fog carries the tone of the bell farther than other sounds. Woodsy

Sailors have known this for centuries. :rolleye2:

But I think I need more "power" than a bell when I can't see the skipper who's bearing down on my sailboat. :eek2:


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JEEPONLY 09-19-2018 07:54 AM

Are your clappers copper?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgYbogp1Ha0

The Real BigGuy 09-19-2018 10:34 AM

Now that’s history! Great find!


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