Remember to vote November 2
 

When voting in November, there are many issues to consider. One is the voting record on the Winnipesaukee speed limit law.

Of the candidates on the M'boro ballot, Chris Ahlgren, Betsey Patten (sponsor) and Dave Knox voted FOR the speed limit. The rest of the candidates are new. You get to vote for four candidates.

To check your local NH candidates record on this issue, look at:

HB847 (2008) http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/nhgc...otedetail.aspx

SB464 (2010) http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/nhgc...otedetail.aspx

I don't vote in M-Boro, as I vote in M-dith, but just thinking out loud here....Moultonborough Selectwoman Betsy Pattern is a very intelligent person, is a Republican, and besides being a Moultonborough selectman, is also a state rep, and holds a very responsible job on the state board of property assessment values (as chairman or something).

As you probably know, I supported the 45day-30night mph Winnipesaukee boat speed limit because going 45mph in a boat is already a very fast speed. Selectman Betsy supported the Winnipesaukee speed limit, too.

On a very different issue; Moultonborough SB-2: Selectman Pattern was definately against SB-2 for Moultonborough.

So, all things considered, even though she supported the speed limits, I would not vote for her because she was against SB-2, plus she is a Republican and I almost always go Democratic.

So, all things considered who you gonna vote for?:rolleye1:

Good time to vote out the incompetents.

NO! To "Special-Interest Groups"...
 

The "usual suspects" are perennials, and will be selecting which laws to ignore on New Hampshire's waterways—evermore. :rolleye1:

First and foremost, I'll vote for whomever has the correct "moral compass".

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Really? I think you were in support of WINNIFABS? :confused:

Going into the election
 

Article at the Concord Monitor:

http://www.concordmonitor.com/articl...-into-election

SBONH-NHRBA has picked up that same cause—a flash-in-the-pan group—in case nobody was paying attention. :rolleye2:

No Governor could ignore NHRBA when it showed its true colors to the New Hampshire people.

If I'm typing too fast for Opponents, the SL bill would have been signed by any Governor.

Two FACTS for you to consider:
1. The link that you posted is not an article. It is a letter to the editor. Hence, it is one persons opinion. Yes, I believe there is a big difference.
2. SBONH does NOT equal NHRBA. Sure some SBONH members might have been members of NHRBA. But it is a completely different leadership group from what I understand.

What makes you think the SL bill would have been signed by any governor? Can you back up that claim?

All Those Missing NHRBA Members—Where'd They Go?
 

1) :eek2: Well, that is very interesting: it's previously been posted that only one SBONH member has been shared with Erica's-own NHRBA.

Fosters.com writes this excerpt:
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll...69/0/citnews02

:confused: Are those two among the missing? :confused:

2) In addition, below are items on NHRBA's own mission-statement from the website GraniteGrok.

3) In your consideration of the Erica's hugely-discredited NHRBA, how do these "talking points" differ from those of the brand-new SBONH? :confused:

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NHRBA:


1) Issues of current laws not being followed or enforced (headway speeds, 150 foot passage rule),

2) lack of statistics showing [speed] is a problem,

3) personal responsibility vs insistence on personal rights (kayaking in the middle of the Broads).

4) The role of mandatory boating education classes and certifications.

5) Freedom vs encroaching Nanny Statism.

6) Cost of enforcement.

7) Different boats are built for different speeds.

8) Class envy.

9) Would removal of performance boats cut down the chop experienced by small craft?

10) Noise problems

11) Accidents in the state wholly due to speed in the State (not alcohol related)? Zero.

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Other than jabbing sticks into quiet areas of New Hampshire law, I fail to see how SBONH has accomplished any mission separation from Erica's hugely-discredited NHRBA.

I honestly do not know the exact number of NHRBA members who are now members of SBONH. I would suggest you refer to SBONH for those numbers, if that info is availabile.

However, my main point was that SBONH gas NOTHING to do with NHRBA. And I stand behind that point.

APS, you can repeat the same stuff over and over again in an effort to discredit people. However, even the Blizzard case which you want to highlight had nothing to do with 45/25.

As a speed limit advocate, I'd like to see you provide factual evidence that the law has any impact on safety. I'd like to see you admit that the request for a NWZ in the Barber's Pole area even after the SL passed, casts a shadow on the law's effectiveness.

If you can show me true data that supports the speed limit I would support it. If it's about specific people that you want to be the focus then you've lost objectivity.

Meanwhile you can beat the dead horse that is the Blizzard story. That's not what will play out in Concord.

Think big picture. There are many lakes in this country where there is no safe passage rule, no rafting restrictions, no speed limit, and yet there is no pandomonium and weekly loss of life.

And there are many states that have had a speed limit in place for many, many years, that continue to suffer fatalities and accidents.

Some of us move forward and do what we can to enjoy boating, and enjoy it safely. Others will stand on their soapbox until there's nobody left to preach to.

So as one of the founding members of SBONH, and as in fact one of the two people that meet, to start laying the foundation for the group that would become SBONH, let me say this.... NHBRA or its officers have had nothing to do with SBONH, its development, and its stance on issues....

Now as for the talking points you also listed... Sure like NHBRA, SBONH is against the speed limit... the fact that the reasoning, and argument points are the same, is a sign, that both groups understand the issues, and facts that surround the debate.

Am I EVER Confused, Now...
 

When driving on New Hampshire's roads, I don't achieve the marked speed limit in darkness, rain, drizzle, snow, sleet, hail or fog.

Had there been a speed limit, could this aspect of safety have reduced injury, pain, property damage, and averted an unnecessary fatality? :confused:

Your "insider knowledge" of these issues begs two questions,

1) :confused:

2) :confused:

Then you'd accept former NHRBA members or a former boat club President into your organization? :confused:

Is there a club requirement that those former members/Presidents must declare they had no connection to NHBRA? :confused: