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This'nThat 03-07-2013 04:42 PM

NH Answer to High Gas Prices: Add more taxes
 
Just make 'em higher by adding more taxes. When are we going to learn how to elect representatives, rather than thieves??? http://www.wmur.com/news/politics/Ho...z/-/index.html

songkrai 03-07-2013 05:00 PM

Every governor since Mel Thompson that I can remember promised to cut waste, fraud, and abuse.
So there should be nothing left to cut.

Federal money cutting back.

No sales or income tax.

What's left?

Don't want this to turn political.

Was reading an article awhile back. Seems the NH Liquor Commission decided that revenues were not what projected. So the NH Liquor stores raised prices. And what happens? Revenues go down. Not up. As the out of staters didn't make the trip because the prices were not low enough to make the trip worthwhile.

Raise prices on cigarettes? Certainly, smoking should be discouraged. But as for NH state revenue income raising prices will not increase the state coffers. Will just make the smokers poorer and more to never start or quit. And state revenues go down more.

Cut state spending. Well, make a list and send off to your house representative and state senator.

tis 03-07-2013 05:26 PM

How stupid are they to think this is a good idea, especially in this economy? I can't believe they would even consider this. They should spend the money that is already collected on nothing but roads and bridges instead of other place.

AB_Monterey 03-07-2013 07:14 PM

Elections have consequences.

fpartri497 03-07-2013 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AB_Monterey (Post 200222)
Elections have consequences.


Lets hope next time around we have a democratic sweep


:D

Belmont Resident 03-07-2013 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AB_Monterey (Post 200222)
Elections have consequences.

Yes they do!
Did you catch the report on Fox the other night?
The lovely governor of Mass wants to cut every single tax deduction that the middle class has. Yup, all of them.
At least NH tends to swap them out every few years while down south they just keep electing the same politicians over and over and over. :rolleye2:

RailroadJoe 03-07-2013 08:08 PM

When I grew up in the great state of Massachusetts, there were no sales tax, no income tax, no food and meals tax, plus a few others. Time changes all things.

Just Sold 03-07-2013 08:27 PM

Don't Rush to Assume its Real Yet
 
For 1 this has not gone through the Senate or been signed by the Governor so it is not a reality. 2nd based on what I have heard and read the 1st year would be a $.04 increase which for 50 gallons of gas (typical max fill in my boat) = a $2.00 increase. Not earth shattering but yup it will cost more to fill my boat. So relax and see what happens in the Senate and if it makes it past them what the Governor does.

Belmont Resident 03-08-2013 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Sold (Post 200230)
For 1 this has not gone through the Senate or been signed by the Governor so it is not a reality. 2nd based on what I have heard and read the 1st year would be a $.04 increase which for 50 gallons of gas (typical max fill in my boat) = a $2.00 increase. Not earth shattering but yup it will cost more to fill my boat. So relax and see what happens in the Senate and if it makes it past them what the Governor does.

Boating, snowmobiling etc are recreational so impacts are really not an issue.
What about all of your products that are delivered? The price of pretty much everything you buy will go up as a result of this and it is already being talked about.
But on the other hand the state of our roads is already costing us more money. Front end alignments and tires are not cheap and are happening more frequently as a result of the road conditions.

Lakesrider 03-08-2013 07:44 AM

You are assuming the tax will actually go to fixing roads? It doesn't already. Why would they start now.:rolleye2: They should tax the booze down at the border by .$.04 They would make a fortune. Put a toll booth up on the MA border in NASHUA. Most of the people that live in that area work in MA anyway.
There are other ways other than taxing an already pricey commodity.

tis 03-08-2013 08:07 AM

Exactly, BR and Lakesrider! It makes the cost of everything go up because of delivery charges and hurts the economy. And as always, they WON'T use it to fix roads as they haven't in the past. The more taxes they collect, the more they waste. Just get rid of waste and duplicate services.

Lakesrider 03-08-2013 08:14 AM

You are assuming the tax will actually go to fixing roads? All of it doesn't already. Why would they start now.:rolleye2: They should tax the booze down at the border by .$.04 They would make a fortune. Put a toll booth up on the MA border in NASHUA. Most of the people that live in that area work in MA anyway.
There are other ways than taxing an already pricey commodity.

This'nThat 03-08-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lakesrider (Post 200242)
You are assuming the tax will actually go to fixing roads? All of it doesn't already. Why would they start now.:rolleye2:.

In fact, the report is that the legislature purposely rejected a motion to commit the new funds soley for bridge and road construction. So, they're not even pretending anymore -- their dishonesty is openly being proudly displayed, as if they are thumbing their noses at us -- their dupes.

BroadHopper 03-08-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by songkrai (Post 200217)
Every governor since Mel Thompson that I can remember promised to cut waste, fraud, and abuse.
So there should be nothing left to cut.

Whoever said that Lynch is the most popular Governor in NH must be from out of state or smoking weed. many of us NH natives hate the guy.

If Mel was Governor now, we would see huge changes.

Seaplane Pilot 03-09-2013 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BroadHopper (Post 200256)
Whoever said that Lynch is the most popular Governor in NH must be from out of state or smoking weed. many of us NH natives hate the guy.

If Mel was Governor now, we would see huge changes.

Right on, BH. And the new Gov (along with the rest of the solons) is picking right up where Flinch left off... tax & spend, tax & spend, tax & spend :banana:

fatlazyless 03-16-2013 09:45 AM

New Hampshire has a total of something like 790-miles of un-numbered state-owned roads, and the Meredith Neck Rd in Meredith is about seven miles long, running from Pleasant St to Cattle Landing Rd and it is an un-numbered state-owned road.

That road is getting real bad with numerous cracks, buckles, and dips in the broken asphalt paving.

Rather than repair the road, maybe the state could just give out $750 to every poverty owner and we can all go out shopping on craigslist for a 1996 Geo Tracker because that's the right car for this Meredith Neck Rd.:D:laugh: ....... back in 1996, it was a nice smooth road.......I-tells-ya!

http://www.laconiadailysun.com/.../n...ctmen-frustrat... another non-working link.....ahem! .....so just try googling: "Meredith Officials Frustrated-Laconia Daily Sun" to read about the Meredith Neck Rd and ajoining Barnard Ridge Rd, both state owned roads, and both in rough shape.

"Meredith Officials Frustrated State Won't Fix 'Neck' Roads" is the article title and it is not dated......someone smarter than me.....can you figure out when it was published?

Rusty 03-16-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 200573)
New Hampshire has a total of something like 790-miles of un-numbered state-owned roads, and the Meredith Neck Rd in Meredith is about seven miles long, running from Pleasant St to Cattle Landing Rd and it is an un-numbered state-owned road.

That road is getting real bad with numerous cracks, buckles, and dips in the broken asphalt paving.

Rather than repair the road, maybe the state could just give out $750 to every poverty owner and we can all go out shopping on craigslist for a 1996 Geo Tracker because that's the right car for this Meredith Neck Rd.:D:laugh: ....... back in 1996, it was a nice smooth road.......I-tells-ya!

http://www.laconiadailysun.com/.../n...ctmen-frustrat... another non-working link.....ahem! .....so just try googling: "Meredith Officials Frustrated-Laconia Daily Sun" to read about the Meredith Neck Rd and ajoining Barnard Ridge Rd, both state owned roads, and both in rough shape.

"Meredith Officials Frustrated State Won't Fix 'Neck' Roads" is the article title and it is not dated......someone smarter than me.....can you figure out when it was published?

They should just patch the pot holes once in a while and leave the rest alone. The areas that are rough make good speed bumps and if they smooth that road out people will be going over the 40 MPH speed limit.
The bumps have probably saved a few animal and people from being run over by someone going nowhere in a hurry.
Even if they spend millions of dollars fixing it up the road will be in disrepair again in a few years.

NoBozo 03-16-2013 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 200583)
They should just patch the pot holes once in a while and leave the rest alone. The areas that are rough make good speed bumps and if they smooth that road out people will be going over the 40 MPH speed limit.
The bumps have probably saved a few animal and people from being run over by someone going nowhere in a hurry.
Even if they spend millions of dollars fixing it up the road will be in disrepair again in a few years.

I'm with Rusty: If all the whiners were to get a Real Humvee..there would certainly be NO Problem with a few stinkin potholes. :D :D NB

fatlazyless 03-16-2013 07:05 PM

The average age for a car driven in NH is probably about eleven years old, which makes it a 2001 or a 2002-model. Driving that seven mile torn-up, and bumpy Meredith Neck Rd, or the 1 1/2 mile long Barnard Ridge Rd probably does no good for loosening up the four strut-shock absorbers on older cars.

It's definately a rough road out there! It ain't no golden road for the older cars.......kabbumpa-abumppa-abumppa-bump-bump-bump.....oopsie.....there goes somebody's kneecap rolling down that Barnard Ridge Rd!

Rusty 03-16-2013 07:29 PM

These guys think it's funny to take a ride on the neck road:

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tis 03-17-2013 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 200583)
They should just patch the pot holes once in a while and leave the rest alone. The areas that are rough make good speed bumps and if they smooth that road out people will be going over the 40 MPH speed limit.
The bumps have probably saved a few animal and people from being run over by someone going nowhere in a hurry.
Even if they spend millions of dollars fixing it up the road will be in disrepair again in a few years.


Or they could just let the roads get so bad that the public will fill the potholes like one contractor did on Rte 28 in Wolfeboro!!! :) Of course they didn't like him fixing the potholes…...

gtagrip 03-18-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Sold (Post 200230)
For 1 this has not gone through the Senate or been signed by the Governor so it is not a reality. 2nd based on what I have heard and read the 1st year would be a $.04 increase which for 50 gallons of gas (typical max fill in my boat) = a $2.00 increase. Not earth shattering but yup it will cost more to fill my boat. So relax and see what happens in the Senate and if it makes it past them what the Governor does.

Yes, this is they type of thinking they want. Start it off low(hey, this isn't to bad, what the heck)and then it keeps going up year after, year after, year. It's kind of like the type of gambler casinos love, put in $1.00 0 $2.00 in the slot machine and move on if yo don't win. Casinos will take millions of those type of customers every year! You lose, they win! :(

dt5150 04-08-2013 02:54 PM

makes me sick. gas prices are already sky high (should be $2 a gallon, tops!), and instead of lowering the tax to lower prices, they jack it up! unreal... :confused:

NH_boater 04-12-2013 06:53 AM

Nobody likes high gas prices but the US have very low prices globally, and has very low gas taxes. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1518169.html

Reality is that the state is financially strained, as all states are with revenue dropping and the roads are horrible, and getting worse. Something will get done, sooner or later. I, for one, am expecting a sales tax and/or income tax out of necessity. Not that I want them, to be clear, I just expect them coming our way eventually.

tis 04-12-2013 11:06 AM

The state is out of money because they spend too much. They need to SPEND less.

dt5150 04-12-2013 12:55 PM

^^^ bingo.

NH_boater 04-12-2013 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tis (Post 202078)
The state is out of money because they spend too much. They need to SPEND less.

Completely agree. Not unlike the Federal budget.

lawn psycho 04-12-2013 09:45 PM

This thing was primarily spearheaded by Nashua and area legislators who want I-93 widening. And they have no problem letting the rest of the State pay for it. My family uses the Spaulding Turnpike (tolls), and I-95 (tolls) and now these idiots want me to fund their highway too.

Also, the studies that David Campbell (sponsor of bill) frequently quotes were done by an organization that has nothing but contractors on its BOD.

When I had dialogue with him (several occasions) about his bill, he had long shut off any openness to consider other options such as targeting bond directly for I-93 for the widening so the extra increase in costs after construction doesn't become status quo. And he could not rebut that fact that spreading it out over the state, rather than tolls for the roads user was a way to deflect tolls from I-93 as people would expect that to help offset the bonds.

I have no problem improving roads and fixing bridges but just giving the state a bigger pot of money rather than line item justification is what I strongly oppose.

BroadHopper 04-15-2013 07:30 AM

Priorities
 
I have no problems in maintaining the roads and bridges. I do have a problem funnelling the money to improvements while the infrastructure is dangerous because of badly needed repairs and maintenance.

The representatives blames the whole mess on the economy and claims people aren't using the turnpikes because of the bottleneck. In reality the population in NH is declining and the demography is changing from families to retirees and empty nesters. We don't need wide roads and or high speed EZ-pass lines.

Revenue from the tolls have actually declined after taking out expenses. The numbers our representative shows you to defend EZ-Pass is before expenses were taken out. EZ-Pass company is very expensive and extremely profitable. Collecting taxes and fees should never be profitable.


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