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UN Agenda 21 meeting in Moultonborough tonight
7pm at the town library. If you don't want to live in a regionalized society you owe it to yourself to go and get information. Or pretty soon you won't own your own water well, and you will be taxed on it and the money will go to other towns. Should wake some people up on what is happening in this country that most know nothing about.
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Agenda21 Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment. Agenda 21, the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, and the Statement of principles for the Sustainable Management of Forests were adopted by more than 178 Governments at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janerio, Brazil, 3 to 14 June 1992. The Commission on Sustainable Development (CSD) was created in December 1992 to ensure effective follow-up of UNCED, to monitor and report on implementation of the agreements at the local, national, regional and international levels. It was agreed that a five year review of Earth Summit progress would be made in 1997 by the United Nations General Assembly meeting in special session. The full implementation of Agenda 21, the Programme for Further Implementation of Agenda 21 and the Commitments to the Rio principles, were strongly reaffirmed at the World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD) held in Johannesburg, South Africa from 26 August to 4 September 2002. |
Don't forget your teacup
There is a lot of hyperbole and scare tactics presented by those that use Agenda 21 as a political agenda. It does matter to the lakes region. Our environmental quality is dependent on research, education and yes - ordinances that restrict people's use of their own land. Your ability to drain or pollute a shared aquifer with your well is not a right. Your right to clear-cut or build 50 feet from state owned lake water is rightly restricted. The tea-party led folks against Agenda 21 sometimes get confused about the intent of local and state control, believing it is part of, or is a slippery slope to a UN agenda. The result is a head-wind on local efforts to protect the lakes region environment.
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not touching this topic with a 10 foot pole
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The part that scares me is the taxation of your own well. Then the money will be redistributed to poorer towns. Much like what is happening already within the school systems. Where will it stop. Soon you will have to pay a tax to breath.
And someone thinks it a good idea to let the UN determine what you do or how you do it? Not me. We already have enough gov't intervention in everything we do. Read the whole thing....The N is telling the States what they should do. Huh? http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/r...nda21_33.shtml |
midweek, in the fall?
sort of a bad date to get any representation from seasonal/vacation property owners...
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A coalition of folks from the Tea Party to the John Birch Society to the Free Staters.
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Watch out for black helicopters! It's the Illuminati here to get us! Or is it the umbrella corporation. Some people have a hard time telling where fact ends and fiction begins.
The political activities of the UN have drifted towards farce for quite awhile. An organization that equates countries just because they are contries without regard for the inherent freedom of their citizens, does not truly represent the world's peoples. It only represents the world's ruling regimes. Only the UN believes that a Cuban dictators vote is equal to the vote of democratically elected leader of Canada. |
These are the same people that caused the OLD MAN to fall off Cannon Mountain !!!
This UN taking over the world stuff is a bit on over the edge . |
Part of the UN what ever is the scenic highway designation which allows the town, country and state to tell you what you can and can not do with your front yard up to 80 feet back from the road. A friend just had a letter sent to them about a business sign that has been up for years, that it is now prohibited because it is in the senic highway zone. They can decide (and who knows who are the deciders) that they find your shubbery to be offensive or if you have a bunch of children and the toys take away from the scenic highway look that they can not be within 80 ft of the road. Not what I call "Live Free or Die" but --
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What UN? Is this the United Nations in NY or some other UN?
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That is how democracy works thanks to all those who won our freedom and actually fought for the live free or die principal. |
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Like RT 109. That is a scenic byway. There are plenty of scenes of cracks in the road. Potholes and grass growing up in the middle of the road. Where else but a scenic byway in a heavily populated Summer Tourist area can you actually get air off one of the frost heaves. I mean you have to go to an amusement park and ride an old style wooden roller coaster to get more bumps and negative G's than on RT 109.....:rolleye2: Not one deer crossing sign on that road either..... |
You are so right, Lakesrider. This is very scary. I heard all about it on a radio show last night. Rochester, NH voted against it. Good for them, they are smart!
http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/ |
I am totally against the UN telling any US citizen what they can or cannot do with their property.
When President Bush signed the UN Agenda 21 document, he proudly said this: “It is the sacred principles enshrined in the UN Charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance.” I am sure the American people were very surprised or perhaps totally unaware that a U.S. President would pledge allegiance to a foreign body instead of the U.S. Constitution. |
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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...12/HB1634.html The State of NH voted against the UN Agenda 21 but it is still an issue with many other states, so it is technically still an issue with our state as well. People that think this is a joke have their heads in the sand. There are lots of things going on that we are unaware of. I feel sorry for our next generations as it is all falling apart quickly. Even if you don;t believe in things such as Agenda 21 you need to read between the lines. If this isn't ratified by all the states there will be people using back doors to get something like it passed. Are all these articles wrong? If everyone is fighting it...it must be a real issue. http://nashua.patch.com/articles/letters-9de63afd http://miscellanyblue.com/post/31536085323 http://www.democratsagainstunagenda2...lent-news.html |
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Yes, congratulations to Rochester for rejecting it! I hope Moultonboro and the other Lakes Region towns are as smart. Did that bill pass in the state, Lakesrider, or is it just being studied? |
I believe the House rejected UN Agenda 21 back in May. I hadn't looked that up before my original post. If they did in fact reject it I wonder why they even had a meeting about it in Sept though? Like Vinny Barbarino used to say........
I'm zohoooooo confuuuuuused. I gotta do more digging when I have time. Gotta get my new well in fast.:laugh: |
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Are all those articles wrong? I don't know, but I do know that a conspiracy theory does not become true just because it's repeated enough times. As I said in my earlier post, the UN can't tax your well. The New Hampshire legislature may be able to do that, but I doubt they will. Why? Because unlike at the UN, New Hampshire citizens have a say about what goes on in Concord. |
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The Bill has been sitting in the House with not action taken since early this year. |
Why study it? Just reject it. What happened to Live Free or Die. The government tells us too much of what we can do now. I think it is time to "get the US out of the UN".
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One of the many web sites that talks about this says that American court rooms are controlled by Queen Elizabeth II of England. The proof is that the American flags in U.S. courtrooms have gold fringe around the edges, which is a symbol of maritime law, and England is a maritime nation. Really. |
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And yes, get the US out of the UN and as Granpa said, get the UN out of the US. Did anyone go to the Moultonboro meeting. BTW, what is the now correct spelling of Moultonborough-Moultonboro? Is it orough now? |
It sounds like a lot of people who are against Agenda 21 are getting their knickers in a wad simply because they've heard that the UN is "imposing" a radical anti-American agenda on local governments, when nothing could be further from the truth. There are certain parts of Agenda 21 that clearly go against traditional American values and that probably even violate the federal and state constitutions and will never be implemented in the United States. There are other parts of Agenda 21 that are fairly main stream and are being used in many American communities without controversy. Most of Agenda 21 lies somewhere between those two extremes.
The United Nations has zero ability to impose anything on any government in the United States. Governing bodies may consider recommendations that are part of a UN report, but anything that's implemented must comply with both federal and state constitutions and presumably, must have popular support lest elected representatives find themselves out of a job after the next election. |
George Bush's quote on Agenda 21...
"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations Charter to which the American People will henceforth pledge their allegiance." |
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That quote is 20 years old. Have we been pledging our allegiance to the principles in the UN charter since then? Do you even know what the principles in the UN charter are? Edited later to add: I don't think that George H.W. Bush ever said this. I spent a few minutes doing an internet search, and the only place that I could find these words was on wacko conspiracy theory web sites, plus a web site that lists false Bush quotes. Presidential speeches and statements are scrupulously recorded and archived. If Bush really said these words in public at the UN, or anywhere else, there would be an easily located and verifiable record of it. I could be wrong (it wouldn't be the first time), but I don't think so. |
Well. I guess we can all just sit back in our lazy boy chairs and take a wait and see attitude then. I mean Government certainly hasn't messed up this country so far right? So why should it in the future? If everyone has the view that nothing is wrong out there, the future is looking very bleak for the next generations.
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BUT- as a famous politician once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but no one is entitled to their own facts (or something like that). Using false information in the political process, or any other process, is harmful in the long run. UN Agenda 21 "is is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regards to sustainable development." All or any part of it cannot be and will not be implemented against the wishes of elected governments in the United States, never mind the fact that some of its provisions are likely unconstitutional. George H.W. Bush never said "It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations Charter to which the American People will henceforth pledge their allegiance." The quote was likely made up as a scare tactic to advance a theory that there are certain interests in this country that want to see a "New World Order" with a unified world government which would mean the end of national sovereignty. You can find lots of crazy stuff on the internet; that's easy. Separating the wheat from the chaff takes a little more effort. Nobody said democracy was easy. |
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TMI Guy said it will not be implimented against the wishes of elected officials, but many of our elected officials don't understand what they are voting for sometimes. A lot of those on the Council in Rochester voted for Agenda 21. You CAN find anything on the internet and we had better well pay attention or we might find ourselves in big trouble. The UN would like nothing better than to destroy our country. Of course they don't realize that would also destroy themselves. |
Agenda 21 is a voluntary strategy that Nations can endorse or not. There are no ramifications for participating or not. There was no transfer of authority nor granting of any interest or right to another nation or politcal body when the US endorsed this document. Many of the ideas related to planning, development strategies, and environmental issues were already common in the US 20 years before Agenda 21 was drafted. And yet somehow now these same ideas on infrastructure planning and development and environmental issues have come to be seen as the insidious means of some UN plan to take over the US. Now evidently planning ahead and using forethought about the way we as a nation use our resources is seen as an evil, un-American idea. That's right, don't think or plan for the future, it's un-American. The UN does need to take this country over... between shooting ourselves in the feet and cutting off our noses to spite our faces we'll simply bleed out and be no more.
What is going to happen when people realize that the UN also supports the concept of democracy, women's rights, and the education of children? |
maybe when we can vote in a free election there
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Born and raised here as part of a family that has been here since the mid 1700's. Maintaining a healthy level of skeptism, thinking for ourselves, doing those things that need to be done to keep NH good for us and our business, understanding that those things meant a certain level of government was actually necessary, and staying out of our neighbor's personal lives used to be NH values. Not considering options that are good for us as a state, things that could help businesses here, because we buy into conspiracy theories propagated on the internet is not grounded in NH values. What you may think the UN wants is beside the point. They have no legal authority here.
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tis, what specific part of Agenda 21 do you find most disagreeable? Are there any parts of Agenda 21 that you are OK with? Maybe the part that says governments, "in cooperation with relevant international organizations, where appropriate, should promote proper planning, including environmental impact assessment where appropriate, of safe and environmentally sound management of radioactive waste, including emergency procedures, storage, transportation and disposal, prior to and after activities that generate such waste." I don't know, that sounds to me like a common sense thing to do. I can't imagine anyone who would be against that, except maybe for someone who owned a business that cleaned up after a radiological accident. Quote:
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As they have consistently shown in the past. ;)
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Which past votes by the U.S. representative do you feel have not been in the best interest of our country? |
for all who do not think this is an issue, read this
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...tax-americans/ |
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I would be curious as to the amount and scope of executive orders issued by the current president as compared to his predecessors, not to mention the "signing statements" put out by his immediate predecessor. |
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FDR - 11 in 16 years Truman - 5 in 7 years Ike - 2 in 8 years Kennedy - 4 in 3 years LBJ - 4 in 5 years Nixon - 1 in 6 years Ford - 3 in 2 years Carter - 3 in 4 years Reagan - 5 in 8 years Bush - 3 in 4 years Clinton - 15 in 8 years George W. Bush - 62 in 8 years Obama - 923 in 3 1/2 years! Many of the over 900 Executive Orders give the President control over EVERY aspect of our lives (power, water, transportation, communications, energy, etc.) and set it up so that pesky Congress won't be needed to take control. If you rely on the liberal media for your information you probably aren't aware of what he's quietly doing. |
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New taxes - just look at the Affordable Helathcare Act - something like 20+ hidden taxes that got ram rodded through the legislature (most of whom did not read it).
Our country is being systematically dismantled. |
President Obama has signed 143 executive orders as of Sept. 28, 2012.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-r...ecutive-orders Here is what Snopes has to say about it: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...tiveorders.asp |
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http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...sposition.html It shows that through August 10, 2012, Obama has signed 135 Executive Orders, broken down as follows: 2009 - 39 2010 - 35 2011 - 34 2012 - 27 (through 8/10/2012) I doubt that he has signed an additional 788 Executive Orders between August 10th and today, buy maybe you know something that I don't. Here is how Obama compares to past presidents for numbers of Executive Orders signed (again, according to the National Archives link above): Obama - 135 G.W. Bush - 291 Clinton - 364 G.H.W. Bush - 166 Reagan - 381 Carter - 320 Ford - 169 Nixon - 346 Johnson - 324 Kennedy - 214 Eisenhower - 482 Truman - 894 F.D. Roosevelt - 3,467 Hoover - 996 If the number of Executive Orders signed is indeed an indication that the president is taking control over every aspect of our lives, than we're too late, because that happened over 70 years ago with FDR. I'm not trying to argue for the political left or the political right; I'm trying to argue that you shouldn't accept every "fact," especially the ones that are being used to push a political agenda, without doing your own research first. The truth is out there, folks, and most of the time it's not too hard to find. |
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