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ApS 06-22-2019 10:26 AM

Randolph, NH, Big Truck Crash...Bikers killed.
 
For those of you out-of-state, there was a big crash not long after the Lakes Region's Bike Week ended.

In a double-yellow zone, it involved seven fatalities (maybe eight, including the truck driver). :eek:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/7-...cid=spartandhp

Practically in sight of the B&B they were staying in. :(

Hillcountry 06-22-2019 11:19 AM

Just saw this on a FB post...damned tragedy.

WinnisquamZ 06-22-2019 03:25 PM

Truck was towing a trailer which appears to have jackknifed into the bikes. The feds have been called in to recreate. Smart of Jackson and the state to let them handle it


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Red apple 06-22-2019 04:33 PM

An absolute shame. No words to describe this.


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Outdoorsman 06-22-2019 04:49 PM

From another source: This group were Ex-Marines

On June 21st 2019 Jarheads MC was riding to a charity event at the local American Legion in Gorham, New Hampshire Post #82. Our pack was struck by an oncoming vehicle and we lost 5 patch holders and 2 supporters, and many others are injured

Tragic all the way around.

Jersey Bob 06-22-2019 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman (Post 313845)
From another source: This group were Ex-Marines

On June 21st 2019 Jarheads MC was riding to a charity event at the local American Legion in Gorham, New Hampshire Post #82. Our pack was struck by an oncoming vehicle and we lost 5 patch holders and 2 supporters, and many others are injured

Tragic all the way around.

Sorry, but they were former Marines. Once a Marine always a Marine. Oorah!
And when they get to heaven, St Peter they will tell "Another Marine reporting, Sir. I've served my time in Hell!"

Music Man 06-23-2019 06:49 AM

WMUR is doing a good job of keeping up with the story.

What is known so far: accident involved ten bikers, heading eastbound, 500 feet from where they were staying. The bikers were part of the Marine Jarhead Motorcycle Club, having a reunion in Randolph. The truck was an auto mover from Massachusetts, heading westbound. Investigation is still underway, but it appears to be distracted driving on the truck's part, possibly speeding as well. It was along a stretch of straight road, so no turns were involved. Seven bikers dead. Two treated locally and released. One was med-evaced to Maine and is critical condition.

Outdoorsman 06-23-2019 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Music Man (Post 313856)
WMUR is doing a good job of keeping up with the story.

What is known so far: accident involved ten bikers, heading eastbound, 500 feet from where they were staying. The bikers were part of the Marine Jarhead Motorcycle Club, having a reunion in Randolph. The truck was an auto mover from Massachusetts, heading westbound. Investigation is still underway, but it appears to be distracted driving on the truck's part, possibly speeding as well. It was along a stretch of straight road, so no turns were involved. Seven bikers dead. Two treated locally and released. One was med-evaced to Maine and is critical condition.

I road this route with a group yesterday. There were many groups of bikers, antique cars and even a convoy of tractors bobtailing. Local law enforcement did an outstanding job halting traffic traveling East on Rte. 2 so the groups of riders could merge onto Rte. 2 and stay together.

As music man stated, this is still under investigation.... but, I can assure you that this did not happen on a stretch of straight road. The bikes traveling East had just crested the top of a hill, the truck had just rounded a bend in the road on an uphill climb. There was not even a 100 yard view of the road in either direction. You could clearly see where this accident happened by the burned grass on the side of the road and the fluid remains on the pavement in the travel lanes.

Hillcountry 06-25-2019 08:11 AM

Saw on this morning’s news that the truck driver is being charged with 7 counts of negligent homicide. He also has a DUI record with the latest infraction a month ago. I hope he spends many years thinking about the pain he has caused.

WinnisquamZ 06-25-2019 09:48 AM

This site won’t be for everyone, but his information is spot on

https://turtleboysports.com/westfiel...tting-corners/


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joey2665 06-25-2019 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 313964)
This site won’t be for everyone, but his information is spot on

https://turtleboysports.com/westfiel...tting-corners/


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Absolutely agree he should have NEVER been hired with his driving record. I had 50 drivers on the road who were heavily screened for drug use and safety with random drug testing and I had them all on a DMV service that immediately notified me of any DMV violations.

Safety first and this tragedy would have NEVER happened. Thoughts and prayers to the families of those involved.

FlyingScot 06-25-2019 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hillcountry (Post 313948)
Saw on this morning’s news that the truck driver is being charged with 7 counts of negligent homicide. He also has a DUI record with the latest infraction a month ago. I hope he spends many years thinking about the pain he has caused.

I hope he's doing his thinking from jail.

I hope the politicians who make the rules on drivers' licenses spend many years think about this, but just a few weeks deciding to do something about letting guys like this behind the wheel at all. How many DUIs does it take to lose your license?

pondguy 06-25-2019 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 313964)
This site won’t be for everyone, but his information is sp
https://turtleboysports.com/westfiel...tting-corners/


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Unreal what is happening to our country. May all 7 rest in peace. So sad !

jbolty 06-25-2019 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingScot (Post 313971)
I hope he's doing his thinking from jail.

I hope the politicians who make the rules on drivers' licenses spend many years think about this, but just a few weeks deciding to do something about letting guys like this behind the wheel at all. How many DUIs does it take to lose your license?

Seriously, how many times do you hear about a crash like this all over the country only to find out the driver has multiple previous suspensions or convictions.

iw8surf 06-25-2019 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 313965)
Absolutely agree he should have NEVER been hired with his driving record. I had 50 drivers on the road who were heavily screened for drug use and safety with random drug testing and I had them all on a DMV service that immediately notified me of any DMV violations.

Safety first and this tragedy would have NEVER happened. Thoughts and prayers to the families of those involved.

The issue with the drug testing too is the DOT is a 5 panel drug test... Even today most companies do I believe a 10 panel for pre employment, so they could be high as a kite as long as it isn't those top 5 drugs. I always thought that was dumb.

joey2665 06-25-2019 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iw8surf (Post 313992)
The issue with the drug testing too is the DOT is a 5 panel drug test... Even today most companies do I believe a 10 panel for pre employment, so they could be high as a kite as long as it isn't those top 5 drugs. I always thought that was dumb.

We did the 12 panel random test. But more importantly to me was the constant dmv monitoring on all dmv renewals, suspensions, infractions etc and this system was updated within 24 hours.


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WinnisquamZ 06-25-2019 07:38 PM

And it begins

Head of Mass RMV Erin Deveney resigns over tragic NH fatal crash case
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/06...al-crash-case/
(Via Boston Headline News)


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Top-Water 06-26-2019 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 314017)
And it begins

Head of Mass RMV Erin Deveney resigns over tragic NH fatal crash case
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/06...al-crash-case/
(Via Boston Headline News)

First, my heartfelt sympathies to all the families that lost loved ones, without question a genuine tragedy.

Second, and the jest of my thoughts. But I can't help wondering why she resigned. Are we going to find out more in the next few weeks something else? Granted innocent until proven guilty, but is there more to this story about how this person was still driving after what has been reported on the news. Is this going to be one of those stories like the Ma. state police overtime scandal that seems like a lot of folks tuned a blind eye to. Or lead in drinking water in Detroit among other things that seem to happen in large state agencies. Or is it the way things go these days if you are connected. Something seems a little off here but can't seem to find just the right words to describe it.

FlyingScot 06-26-2019 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top-Water (Post 314101)
First, my heartfelt sympathies to all the families that lost loved ones, without question a genuine tragedy.

Second, and the jest of my thoughts. But I can't help wondering why she resigned. Are we going to find out more in the next few weeks something else? Granted innocent until proven guilty, but is there more to this story about how this person was still driving after what has been reported on the news. Is this going to be one of those stories like the Ma. state police overtime scandal that seems like a lot of folks tuned a blind eye to. Or lead in drinking water in Detroit among other things that seem to happen in large state agencies. Or is it the way things go these days if you are connected. Something seems a little off here but can't seem to find just the right words to describe it.

My hope is that she was forced to resign as a matter of accountability. She allowed a grievous error to occur, she's paying the price as the top proximate official. Good. Now the new boss will implement systems to make sure the mistake is not repeated.

Top-Water 06-26-2019 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingScot (Post 314102)
My hope is that she was forced to resign as a matter of accountability. She allowed a grievous error to occur, she's paying the price as the top proximate official. Good. Now the new boss will implement systems to make sure the mistake is not repeated.

I agree & hope you are correct, and that is all that this is. But, I thought that all these systems were already in place, for lack of a better term, how did they get short-circuited on what appears to be maybe more than one occasion.


As WinnisquamZ wrote "And it begins" ........ Just wondering out loud, what is the end on this story.

Hillcountry 06-26-2019 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top-Water (Post 314111)
I agree & hope you are correct, and that is all that this is. But, I thought that all these systems were already in place, for lack of a better term, how did they get short-circuited on what appears to be maybe more than one occasion.


As WinnisquamZ wrote "And it begins" ........ Just wondering out loud, what is the end on this story.

Just another smaller, version of “the swamp” that will always be present as long as politicians work for themselves and not the electorate. Very difficult to “drain”

ApS 06-26-2019 10:18 PM

One-Man Crime Wave...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 314017)
And it begins
Head of Mass RMV Erin Deveney resigns over tragic NH fatal crash case
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/06...al-crash-case/

Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Texas one month ago, gave fake name: Nothing happens.

May 11, crashed into brush, fails sobriety test in parking lot, arrested:

Connecticut RMV notifies Massachusetts RMVReceives acknowledgment...Nothing happens.

June 13th, Lane infraction: Nothing happens.

➼ Something Happens! :eek:

60 hours after NH wreck: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Massachusetts, heroin and cocaine found in home... :rolleye1:

dickiej 06-26-2019 10:32 PM

We will never take impared driving seriously in this country. In Europe, you get significant jail time and long term license revocation after your second offense. No plea bargaining and no special deals. The reason why we won't take it seriously: most of our legislators are lawyers and many of them are drunks.

thebix 06-26-2019 11:15 PM

Many suspensions and suspended jail time, hardly nothing happened.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ApS (Post 314117)
Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.


From story on NECN
https://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...N-5obO4EZ-iu34

'In all, Zhukovskyy served at least six license suspensions in Massachusetts after obtaining his license in April 2013, though some of the sanctions overlapped, according to records provided by the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles. He also completed two safe driving education courses through the National Safety Council.'

SAMIAM 06-27-2019 05:32 AM

Ever notice that when a public official reigns in disgrace they simply retire early with 10K monthly retirement payout plus benefits such as the deputy sheriff in Broward county that stood by as children were shot.
Even Blagojevich...the Chicago mayor in prison for corruption is getting his big payday each month.
In the real workplace if you screw up....you're fired.No bennies from the taxpayers.
Sorry to hijack this serious discussion.......heartfelt sympathy to the families and victims

joey2665 06-27-2019 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAMIAM (Post 314121)
Ever notice that when a public official reigns in disgrace they simply retire early with 10K monthly retirement payout plus benefits such as the deputy sheriff in Broward county that stood by as children were shot.

Even Blagojevich...the Chicago mayor in prison for corruption is getting his big payday each month.

In the real workplace if you screw up....you're fired.No bennies from the taxpayers.

Sorry to hijack this serious discussion.......heartfelt sympathy to the families and victims

You summed up exactly why these people want to take office. The benefits, not to assist the public.


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fatlazyless 06-27-2019 06:27 AM

For towing a big, long, heavy, old(?), goose neck trailer like that, the tow vehicle should be a dually with four wheels in the back, and it probably was a dually for a transport company hauling cars with cdl drivers ...... but we don't know this for sure .....maybe it was a Dodge Ram 2500 pickup with four wheels as opposed to six wheels?

Having six wheels is more solid with better control ..... less swing and sway especially when the goose neck trailer is empty.

A loosie-goosie trailer driven by a loosie-goosie driver can be a double-bad loosie-goosie combination?

Top-Water 06-27-2019 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 314124)
For towing a big, long, heavy, old(?), goose neck trailer like that, the tow vehicle should be a dually with four wheels in the back, and it probably was a dually for a transport company hauling cars with cdl drivers ...... but we don't know this for sure .....maybe it was a Dodge Ram 2500 pickup with four wheels as opposed to six wheels?

Having six wheels is more solid with better control ..... less swing and sway especially when the goose neck trailer is empty.

A loosie-goosie trailer driven by a loosie-goosie driver can be a double-bad loosie-goosie combination?


It always seems to amaze me how you love to inject your twisted sense of humor at every opportunity when ever there is a an event causing great suffering.

swnoel 06-27-2019 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApS (Post 314117)
Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Texas one month ago, gave fake name: Nothing happens.

May 11, crashed into brush, fails sobriety test in parking lot, arrested:

Connecticut RMV notifies Massachusetts RMVReceives acknowledgment...Nothing happens.

June 13th, Lane infraction: Nothing happens.

➼ Something Happens! :eek:

60 hours after NH wreck: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Massachusetts, heroin and cocaine found in home... :rolleye1:

Unfortunately , I believe there is more to this story. Hopefully it won't be covered up...

Top-Water 06-27-2019 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swnoel (Post 314128)
Unfortunately , I believe there is more to this story. Hopefully it won't be covered up...

Exactly! what I was thinking.

fatlazyless 06-27-2019 07:12 AM

.... there's no humor in that comment .... do not deserve your wrath .... it's could well be a loosie-goosie truck, goose neck trailer combination, driven by a loosie-goosie driver which makes it a double-bad loosie-goosie situation ..... where's the humor here? ..... ain't noth'n funny about it ...... all driving should be taken very seriously ..... and especially for truckers!

thinkxingu 06-27-2019 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 314130)
.... there's no humor in that comment .... do not deserve your wrath .... it's could well be a loosie-goosie truck, goose neck trailer combination, driven by a loosie-goosie driver which makes it a double-bad loosie-goosie situation ..... where's the humor here? ..... ain't noth'n funny about it ...... all driving should be taken very seriously ..... and especially for truckers!

Words matter. Using "loosie-goosie" and blaming the machine on a thread about a criminal driver killing a bunch of motorcyclists is abhorrent.

I hope this guy, and anyone negligently involved, gets slammed. I also hope the companies, and the people who knowingly employed him, are destroyed.

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joey2665 06-27-2019 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApS (Post 314117)
Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Texas one month ago, gave fake name: Nothing happens.

May 11, crashed into brush, fails sobriety test in parking lot, arrested:

Connecticut RMV notifies Massachusetts RMVReceives acknowledgment...Nothing happens.

June 13th, Lane infraction: Nothing happens.

➼ Something Happens! :eek:

60 hours after NH wreck: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Massachusetts, heroin and cocaine found in home... :rolleye1:

Not letting RMV off the hook at all but the employer has a tremendous amount of culpability. If they used a license monitoring service or even ran his RMV record on a pre employment check they would have never hired him.


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ishoot308 06-27-2019 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 314132)
Not letting RMV off the hook at all but the employer has a tremendous amount of culpability. If they used a license monitoring service or even ran his RMV record on a pre employment check they would have never hired him.


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I agree! Also the trailer that truck was towing was way too big and heavy for that truck, most likely not legal whatsoever! DOT will be involved and this is going to come back and bite that company in the a** as it should!

Both he and his irresponsible company should be put out of commission for good!!

Dan

ishoot308 06-27-2019 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApS (Post 314117)
Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Texas one month ago, gave fake name: Nothing happens.

May 11, crashed into brush, fails sobriety test in parking lot, arrested:

Connecticut RMV notifies Massachusetts RMVReceives acknowledgment...Nothing happens.

June 13th, Lane infraction: Nothing happens.

➼ Something Happens! :eek:

60 hours after NH wreck: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Massachusetts, heroin and cocaine found in home... :rolleye1:

APS;

Your summary of events really put this unfortunate event into perspective and how irresponsible many parties were to even let this punk drive.

Thanks for taking the time to put this post together as you did!

Dan

fatlazyless 06-27-2019 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ishoot308
..... the trailer that truck was towing was way too big and heavy for that truck, most likely not legal whatsoever! .....

.... could be a Ram 2500 dually w/ 6-wheels or a Ram 2500 w/4-wheels ..... do not know?

.... truck management knows who is the good driver and what is the less good truck/trailer and maybe gives to the less good driver the lower quality rig .... isn't that the way it usually goes .... could be it was a 4-wheel pickup towing the goose neck trailer ..... is still unknown?

Dodge Ram makes a 3500 pickup which can be a dually, so's maybe this 2500 was a 4-wheeler and too small for this goose neck tow ..... is an unanswered question.

SAB1 06-27-2019 08:36 AM

Spot on dan. That trailer looked way to big for me on that truck. All kinds of issues surround this case including ICE now being involved. Kid never should have been driving. The woman at the registry surely got canned but aside from that I hold the owner of the company accountable for hiring him. But aside from that there hasn’t been a day gone by when I haven’t thought of those that died and the families they left behind.

ishoot308 06-27-2019 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAB1 (Post 314143)
But aside from that there hasn’t been a day gone by when I haven’t thought of those that died and the families they left behind.

Yes, these were good people, veterans, family members, who were out enjoying life. One useless punk in a matter of seconds takes their life away.

As a prior Marine I can tell you this tragedy has really upset me...

Dan

fatlazyless 06-27-2019 09:04 AM

It takes about two seconds to figure out that driving a motorcycle is more dangerous than driving a car. Just one fast look at the two, car and motorcycle, and you realize this safety issue.

Driving in New Hampshire will never be a perfect, totally safe experience ..... bad stuff can happen?

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety ..... In 2016 the risk of death was 28 times higher driving a motorcycle than a car.

If you think about this ..... 28-times is a very big difference .... a huge difference.

Motorcycles look very dynamic and are very fun to ride but are way more deadly ..... 28-times .... than driving a car.

ishoot308 06-27-2019 11:21 AM

Noodle Brain
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 314149)
It takes about two seconds to figure out that driving a motorcycle is more dangerous than driving a car. Just one fast look at the two, car and motorcycle, and you realize this safety issue.

Driving in New Hampshire will never be a perfect, totally safe experience ..... bad stuff can happen?

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety ..... In 2016 the risk of death was 28 times higher driving a motorcycle than a car.

If you think about this ..... 28-times is a very big difference .... a huge difference.

Motorcycles look very dynamic and are very fun to ride but are way more deadly ..... 28-times .... than driving a car.

This accident had NOTHING to do with the motorcycles FLL!! The "homicide" of seven innocent people was totally the cause of one drug addicted drunk p.o.s. who should have never been behind the wheel to begin with. There is no other way to look at it!!

Dan

MAXUM 06-27-2019 12:42 PM

It's also likely that if a car were in the same position of those bikes at the time, the occupants would have suffered a similar fate.

robmac 06-27-2019 01:07 PM

That driver will never have to pay the FULL price for his actions which is criminal in of itself. The trailer was far too big and heavy for a 2500 Dodge with single rear wheels! How ever I haven't heard any LEO or dept mentioning a bill of laiding so he was hauling something which brings the deep pockets into the criminal act as well. Either way we can't bring them back and my heart goes out to the families and loved ones of those we lost.

rick35 06-27-2019 04:00 PM

Should have been sent back
 
Shouldn’t someone who’s here on a green card have been kicked out after his first or second infraction? I don’t know how someone like that gets a green card but that’s a privilege and should be revoked if the person breaks the law.

robmac 06-27-2019 04:10 PM

As of this afternoon he has an ICE detainer

Outdoorsman 06-27-2019 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebix (Post 314120)
From story on NECN
https://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...N-5obO4EZ-iu34

'In all, Zhukovskyy served at least six license suspensions in Massachusetts after obtaining his license in April 2013, though some of the sanctions overlapped, according to records provided by the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles. He also completed two safe driving education courses through the National Safety Council.'

All I can say is WOW.... Six license suspensions at any age is outrageous, let alone for someone so young.

I have always had an issue with sentences being served "concurrently" and that is something that I was talking about the other day. If convicted, this guy needs to serve 7 CONSECUTIVE sentences. Anything short of that is equally outrageous.

As an aside, I worked in Gorham this week and on Wednesday when I drove by the scene there was a company putting up seven 6' +/- crosses at the crash site. Very nice gesture. Today when I drove by, the state has put up 2 of the roadside smart signs warning traffic to SLOW DOWN, "possible road side activity ahead" Kudo's to the state for being proactive and allowing loved-ones to visit the scene.

fatlazyless 06-28-2019 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robmac (Post 314190)
As of this afternoon he has an ICE detainer

Have to wonder if he would jump at the opportunity to get deported back to Ukraine from the Coos County House of Correction, Stewartstown, NH, which is very close to the NH-Canada border as opposed to being a prisoner at the NH State Prison in Berlin for the next 15-40 years?

Does he deserve a death, execution, penalty?

Could be the truck was too small, the trailer was too big, the Massachusetts DMV process was too slow, and both the driver and transport company management was no good. Could be something like an uneven asphalt, winter frost heaved road surface is partially to blame, too?

Probably, he would rather be back in the Ukraine ....... in a Ukraine prison?

MAXUM 06-28-2019 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 314227)
Have to wonder if he would jump at the opportunity to get deported back to Ukraine from the Coos County House of Correction, Stewartstown, NH, which is very close to the NH-Canada border as opposed to being a prisoner at the NH State Prison in Berlin for the next 30 years?

Does he deserve a death, execution, penalty?

Probably, he would rather be back in the Ukraine?

Neither! I'd give this guy a tax payer paid one way plane ticket to the North Korean prison system. They seem to know how to deal with scum like this, and that to me would be a fitting end to this guy. A comfortable life behind bars or death here is not fitting enough for my taste. Send him back to Ukraine will do nothing, he'll be back crossing the southern border again in no time since we have no appetite to stop the flow of people into this country.

rick35 06-28-2019 08:57 AM

I think we’re stuck with him until he finishes serving whatever time he gets. Then we should send him back and take our chances that he doesn’t sneak back in.

WinnisquamZ 06-28-2019 11:27 AM

Drop him off at the local VFW!


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ApS 06-28-2019 06:25 PM

Can It Get Worse?
 
Three more arrests found by Boston Globe:
Ohio and Iowa.

:confused:

Top-Water 07-03-2019 11:28 PM

There has been a number of follow up stories since this tragedy the past few days. Some what notable was/is the reports from Massachusetts that no one was monitoring the incoming mail in this section of the registry, probably another one of those 100,000 dollar a year jobs that you really don't have to show up for.

Tonight's news mentions the first lawsuits have also been filed. Naming the Trucking company and the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles.


WMUR: Memorial ride for Randolph crash victims.

https://www.wmur.com/article/thousan...ctims/28265583

robmac 07-05-2019 01:52 PM

I know one of the survivors has formally filed against the trucking company,however they are still looking to see if they can sue the state(RMV) which I think is one of MA laws not allowing it I think there is a tort law statute that limits litigation to 100,000

WinnisquamZ 07-05-2019 08:37 PM

http://wcvb.com/article/gov-baker-up...302780?src=app


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Top-Water 07-05-2019 11:10 PM

Expect delays Saturday during/at the start of the memorial ride. WMUR reporting Thousands expected to participate in ride to honor victims of Randolph crash.

Travel will be most affected in the Lakes Region from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. and in the Gorham area from 3 to 5 p.m. There could be some ramp and lane closures on Interstate 93, officials said.

Full story: https://www.wmur.com/article/officia...len-7/28302254

fatlazyless 07-06-2019 06:07 AM

... seven miles uneven Rt 93-nprth
 
Turning right from Route-104 onto Rt-93 north ...... the road has been getting re-paved for the last month or so, on both north and south sides?

As of Thursday night, July 4: Rt 93-north from exit-23 to exit-24, a distance of about six miles, had uneven lanes with about a 3 or 4 inch higher pavement on the left lane due to road re-paving.

The right hand lane was scarfed in preparation for new asphalt, and the left hand lane had brand new asphalt about 3 or 4 inches higher up which might be a hazard for motorcycles?

Thaat was a day and a half ago?

WinnisquamZ 07-06-2019 12:54 PM

Over 2500 bikes! With thousands more waving them on. NH and the Lakes Region showing the country who we are!


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pondguy 07-06-2019 01:01 PM

Great turn out I watched for 35 minutes at Rt.106 and Pease Rd.

TiltonBB 07-06-2019 07:58 PM

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It was a well done event and a nice tribute. The Broken Spoke did a great job hosting the start of the ride.

KTO 07-07-2019 10:06 AM

Drone video as they came through Meredith, turning off Pease Rd. Onto 104

<iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/WbFpY9ONsMQ" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

https://youtu.be/WbFpY9ONsMQ

WinnisquamZ 07-07-2019 02:40 PM

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Drone video as they came through Meredith, turning off Pease Rd. Onto 104

https://youtu.be/WbFpY9ONsMQ

Thank you


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fatlazyless 08-01-2019 10:31 AM

"It appears that until recently there was an institutional belief that this was not a serious safety problem."

July 30, 2019: https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/07/30...nse-violations

As you probably know, Massachusetts now has a population of 7-million, and New Hampshire has a population of 1.3-million, and it sure seems like New Hampshire has a lot better grip on its' driver safety enforcement. Just having a smaller sized population is a big plus, here.

No information yet as to whether the driver was texting or drunk or on drugs or both, at the time?

No information yet whether the Ram-2500 was a 6-wheel dually or a four wheel truck.

LIforrelaxin 08-01-2019 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 316567)
"It appears that until recently there was an institutional belief that this was not a serious safety problem."

July 30, 2019: https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/07/30...nse-violations

As you probably know, Massachusetts now has a population of 7-million, and New Hampshire has a population of 1.3-million, and it sure seems like New Hampshire has a lot better grip on its' driver safety enforcement. Just having a smaller sized population is a big plus, here.

No information yet as to whether the driver was texting or drunk or on drugs or both, at the time?

No information yet whether the Ram-2500 was a 6-wheel dually or a four wheel truck.

Bottomline, is that this guy shouldn't have been driving commercially.....

The RMV in Massachusetts, has always been a mess. And hopefully this will bring about some much needed change. Back in the 80s they use to send "Registry Cops", which where fully dressed and outfitted State Police officers, out with Kids for their driving tests. Those same cops used to believe they where untouchable, and had been known to put there hands on their fire arms, and threaten people when they disagreed with Registry employees. (ask me how I know).....Fortunately that calamity has been straightend out, and registry cops are no longer.

But now the adminstration, needs to clean up its act. Hopefully this will lead to some more resignations, or firings of top Mass. RMV officials, and the Governor will put people in place, with instructions to start cleaning the mess up.

There is no reason, that this should have happened. The RMV has done nothing but reduce their work load, you rarely need to go to the registry if you are a AAA member... To many people making to much money, and not doing their jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yes, I am a Massachusetts resident, who is deeply sadden by the events that led to this accident

joey2665 08-01-2019 11:32 AM

Also keep in mind that this truck was registered in MA traveling across state lines to the driver and vehicle are subject to USDOT regulations in addition to state regulations.

Top-Water 08-01-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin (Post 316571)
Bottomline, is that this guy shouldn't have been driving commercially.....

The RMV in Massachusetts, has always been a mess. And hopefully this will bring about some much needed change. Back in the 80s they use to send "Registry Cops", which where fully dressed and outfitted State Police officers, out with Kids for their driving tests. Those same cops used to believe they where untouchable, and had been known to put there hands on their fire arms, and threaten people when they disagreed with Registry employees. (ask me how I know).....Fortunately that calamity has been straightend out, and registry cops are no longer.

But now the adminstration, needs to clean up its act. Hopefully this will lead to some more resignations, or firings of top Mass. RMV officials, and the Governor will put people in place, with instructions to start cleaning the mess up.

There is no reason, that this should have happened. The RMV has done nothing but reduce their work load, you rarely need to go to the registry if you are a AAA member... To many people making to much money, and not doing their jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yes, I am a Massachusetts resident, who is deeply sadden by the events that led to this accident

No disagreement here. For years this has been a place for the (political/hacks/patronages) a place to hang out while collecting a pay check. I would not be surprised if most of them were no shows at work.


I'm really wondering if they will really dig into what really happened here.

A few days ago when they started reporting on this once again. I guess from what I had seen, most of the people that were supposed to testify did not show up.

LIforrelaxin 08-01-2019 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 316572)
Also keep in mind that this truck was registered in MA traveling across state lines to the driver and vehicle are subject to USDOT regulations in addition to state regulations.

Ultimately, I believe it is a USDOT regulation that states that once a driver is convicted in one state of an infraction that removes their eligibility to drive, that from a commercial perspective, that infraction removes their right to drive in all states.

The problem here, is that the driver had a Massachusetts Drivers license, which the State of Connecticut can't take from him, or revoke his ability to drive with out proper action from the Massachusetts RMV. Because the Massachusetts RMV didn't properly respond, there was no way for a company to recognize that this guy had a DUI conviction.

Now to put further spin on this, how many drivers have speeding tickets, or failure to stop, tickets in other states, that haven't been updated in the RMV records, causing them to have higher insurance premiums?

This isn't just about this one case, its about many cases and the process that is supposed to exist.....

Massachusetts RMV has screwed the pooch here, If the state doesn't continue its investigation, and then act upon its findings, then the negligence isn't just an RMV issue it is a State issue... The state doesn't want that, because then the USDOT become involved...

WHile the accident is horrible... the results from the accident should bring about some change here in Mass.

TiltonBB 08-01-2019 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin (Post 316571)
Back in the 80s they use to send "Registry Cops", which where fully dressed and outfitted State Police officers, out with Kids for their driving tests. Those same cops used to believe they where untouchable, and had been known to put there hands on their fire arms, and threaten people when they disagreed with Registry employees. (ask me how I know).....Fortunately that calamity has been straightend out, and registry cops are no longer.

That was the action of Michael Dukakis. (D-MA) The State Police did not support his election and in fact spoke out against it. As retribution for the lack of support Dukakis merged the Capitol Police and the Registry Police into the State Police. A move that the State Police union was very much against.

Bigstan 08-01-2019 01:38 PM

No surprise...
 
Drugs were involved, of course.....

https://www.boston.com/news/local-ne...sh-report-says


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