Open Note to Another Captain
Hi Captain, We met near Ambrose Cove on Saturday afternoon as we were both headed towards Green's Basin. It sure was crowded out there and I thought as a newer boater you might appreciate some words of encouragement from another captain. I say Captain because both of us have responsibility for our vessels and those aboard as the guys at the controls. It is a serious responsibility and the boating safety course is really only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to keeping ourselves and passengers safe.
I was the guy in front of you who was approaching the crossing traffic and several boats that had slowed to idle to allow safe passage for everyone in the narrow section between the rocks on both sides. You probably remember since there were seven or eight boats caught in an area too small to allow safe passage at speed. You were following me very closely (well under the 150 feet law) and probably did not understand your responsibility under the circumstances. It is really easy to find your vessel closing fast on the vessel ahead when it slows if you are not paying *very* close attention. I'm sure this is why you were bearing down on my stern at 20+ mph until you heard me screaming. I made at least one similar mistake when I was a new boater although I was never close enough to rely on the forward vessel's captain's shout to realize the situation. I understand your response to my shouts, indicating that I was at fault for throwing on my brakes. Since you are likely new to the role of Captain, I thought it would make sense to clarify that boats do not have brakes. The closest similarity might be throwing the vessel into reverse, but even if that had been the case (it was not) it remains the following vessel's responsibility to maintain safe distance (and in NH, to maintain 150 feet or operate at idle). I'm sure there are well versed members of the forum that can quote the specific rules. My point in raising this is to encourage you to take responsibility for safe passage and err on the side of safety when uncertain about what lies ahead. This was an unreasonably close call and no captain should rely on the shouts of another vessel to realize they are at risk of imminent collision. If you are not sufficiently cautious about your own safety, think of the family members you appeared to have on your boat. They are relying on your judgement and as a new boater you have to feel the gravity of that responsibility. My son is convinced you were embarrassed by your mistake despite your shouted excuses. Watching you steam ahead far too close to other vessels after the incident did not convince me this was true, but I am going to hope that on reflection you realized how your entire life could have changed in no more than 1-2 seconds more time. Colliding with my boat from the rear could have changed your life in a profound and irreversible way. I did make note of your destination and assume it is your home. I am not planning to take further action to encourage your growth as a captain, but I will be watching for you and keeping a wide berth. I hope I will not regret finding a more definitive way to ensure you take your responsibility seriously in the future. I do not want to be even indirectly responsible for you causing an accident with similar actions. Stay safe. |
Wow, well done! I don’t think I would be as calm as you.
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You definitely get an A for effort!
Well said!! Dan |
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Solid night time reading and much better read than just complaining about a "captain bonehead". Well played Beauport.
I'm in this area and although I uncovered the boat Saturday, I never left the dock. Needless to say, I'm curious to who the "Captain" is.........:rolleye2: |
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But, it doesn't really matter who "this one" is. There are hundreds more Captains on the lake that it could be. |
To those who find it difficult to determine what 150 feet looks like when on the open water, it is half the distance between the goal lines of a football field. Another good reference, the official width of a football field is 160 feet. Fifty yards is 150 feet. If you are within that distance of another craft, swimmer or shore line, I believe headway speed is the rule. I also believe the official length of a water ski tow line is 75 feet, so twice that distance. I think this applies to jet skis as well. From my observation, many watercraft operators don't have a clue.
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It never hurts to slow to headway speed when confronted with puzzling right of way decisions.
Well stated Captain. |
My recent harrowing experience...
I was sharing the "no wake" zone between Governor's and Eagle Islands with about 6 other boats. It was early afternoon. I was headed toward The Weirs when I noticed a boat coming at me at close to full speed. I assumed when he hit the NWZ he would slow. He didn't and kept coming right at me. His heading was North/East. I had to give it full-throttle and take defensive evasive action. I got out of his way just as his boat passed right over the spot I had been in. Never slowed down. Never looked at me (wish he had as well as his female companions.) I literally stopped and sat shaking for several minutes. I thought of radioing MP and following the perp., but I was so shaken I couldn't. I've been boating on this Lake since 1961 and that was the closest I've come to being involved in something very serious.
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When my family first started coming to Winni (late 50's early 60's), seeing a boat go by was rare enough to make me and my siblings run to the shore's edge to watch it. When we got our first wooden row boat, we'd just leave it in the water and tie it to a tree when we would head home. Boats back then didn't create the surge they do today. Those were the days when one Forum member told me they used to water ski through Sallies Gut!!! |
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An incredible video! Frightening...
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A number of years ago my wife and I were outside of Long Island w/friends doing a leisurely house watching cruise. I look behind and see a boat bow high and fast approaching my stern. I burned out my horn (electric two trumpet) and went hoarse yelling. I had to wait to the last minute and make a full throttle maneuver to get out of the way because I was afraid he might make a quick avoidance maneuver into me. Big bow rider with 4 older adults blows by without any recognition. He went into Jonathan’s Landing and it took a lot of persuasion from my wife for me not to follow him in and beat the crap out of him (I was 20+ years younger then. Good thing that came out of it is I spend a lot more time looking behind me now. So, I guess things really don’t change.
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I shake my head all day long out there. Last week someone on the east shore of the channel (little cabins area) yelled at a boat operator as he was throwing quite a wake right there in the channel. The boat operator (I refuse to call them captains) looked at the guy yelling and kept going his blissful way without slowing down. |
Over the weekend, I saw at least 4 pontoon boats with their "headlights" (aka docking lights) on while underway. Just another indication of the clueless MO-RONS behind the wheel out there. If you ain't operating in total defensive mode, then you have a death wish!
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I recently watched the MP...
Using binoculars from a distance monitoring the rafters near Stonedam. They then went in among them and I lost sight of what they did for the approx. 10 minutes they were there. This was around the time of "dry water", DWI enforcement! So, you may not see them, but they may be watching you!
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I can visualize (and done myself) knocked a rocker switch on the dash and didn't realize it...... it could have been my Nav's, docking lights or Bilge - all are in a prone area. Although the rockers lights up, I defy anyone to see that in the sunlight. NOW - I do have an issue when anyone who uses Docking lights as a set of "headlights" at night ….. in that scenario, there is no excuse. Point being -- save your MO-RONS for the deserved. . |
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There are those that have and those that will! Dan |
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I commend the OP for handling such a stressful situation so professionally, not sure I would have been able to and very glad I was not in that situation with a boat full of passengers. If I have one issue with the 150 foot rule it's that in slowing to headway speed we're assuming that the other operators have seen and understood the situation. If they haven't, we've lost the maneuverability edge that speed can provide. |
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I was always taught to look behind me to see what size my wake was and what impact it had on smaller boats. I applaud the OP for watching his "six" and paying attention 360 degrees. Too many watch only, or focus on, the starboard forward quadrant. |
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Do we have any Power Squadron or USCG Auxiliary inspectors out there? Do you check such things? |
'Good Thing I've Got a Sail...Right?
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:look: Every day there's wind and sun...I see the same picture...:eek: > |
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Appreciate your philosophy...However...
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Perhaps it’s the fact that both boats are headed directly toward the photographer and the boat operator has to jockey with two boats. Sent from my iPad using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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The Lake Is NOT I-95...
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I was very late getting into digital cameras, but have five non-working digital cameras :o but still have three Nikon E "working" cameras, still loaded with color-print, color-slide, and B&W. I'm not risking my two 2¼"x2¼" cameras on Winnipesaukee; however, there's a $185 Hasselblad at eBay! :eek: Quote:
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⇨ You don't wait until there's a 150-feet separation between boats before adjusting for your destination. . |
I remember a few years ago, I nearly hit a swimmer. Scared the heck out me. I had some family members up and took them out for a nice ride. I was coming out of the Moultonborough Bay though the barber pole, it was kind of flat light type of day with chop. Anyway a swimmer was right out in the channel just before you get the two black/reds before the Jetti. The guy was swimming underwater and popped his head right out in front of me. No bright colored swimwear, nothing that would stick out. I had to take some seriously evasive type of action. Scared the CrAAP out of me and everyone else on the boat. Looked back at the guy and he just kept plugging along like it was nothing, diving bac under water. If I had looked away for a second, and not seen him, I probably would have killed him. I have 23ft boat and that sucker is heavy. The weight of it would have killed him never mind what the outdrive would have done. Always have to keep your head on a swivel out there not just for boats but, also for people swimming in the middle of an active boat lanes!
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Sailboat operators are always careful
APS, I'm glad that sailboat operators never make bad decisions while operating their vessels. :cool: Enjoy!:laugh:
https://youtu.be/x8-vfMqMLAM Dave |
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None of this is to suggest that sailors do not have right of way/stand on obligations, only to point out that the reason they usually have right of way is that they have a significantly tougher time navigating than a non sailor might think. So they should not be expected to be as easy to predict as a power boat. |
Same thing in air traffic control
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I do the same thing on the lake, checking first to make sure no one is coming up on me from astern. |
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Ten-Letter Word for "Nonsense"...?
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10 letter word for nonsense? I believe your last name fits that letter count:)
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Last week I was on vacation and rented a place near the west end of Sallys Gut. I typically avoid the Weirs area at all costs because of the amount of traffic and behavior of boaters in the area but since my wife liked the place we rented, I spent a lot of the week in what I feel are the most dangerous waters on the lake.
The good news is that, for the most part, I found mid-week boaters in the area to be professional and well behaved. I may have been lucky but I only had two incidents that made me shake my head. The first was when I was approaching the narrow area between the markers off Pitchwood. I would guess the "channel" there is only 200-300 feet wide (being generous) and there were 3 boats stopped there "socializing" with each other. They were right in the middle of the area and seperated enough to completely shutdown the passage for boats on plane which I found equivilent to parking in the left lane on rt 93 to get out and talk to a buddy on the road. I came off plane to pass and in the next minute or so I must have had 6 boats pass me on plane. All these boats were 25-30 footers kicking up massive wakes and definitely within 50 feet of me. While I kept my cool, I was a bit heated as both the behavior of the people lounging in the busy area and the boats ignoring the 150 rule. The second was after we picked up some lunch in Weirs and were cruising at headway speed toward Governors and enjoying some burgers and fries. There wasn't a boat within a mile of me when a toon came up on my starboard on plane at a distance close enough that I literally could have hit him with a french fry (20 feet). Completely unnecessary as the entrire bay was open to him. My wife commended me on my cool but as I told her...I was expecting much worse for the week in that area and was greatful that we didn't get any close calls or a lot more of that behavior. I think part of the 150 rule issue is that not all states have the rule and people that come up from other states are unaware of the rule here. Ignorance of the law is no excuse and courtesy SHOULD be the rule on the water but I am understanding of why so many 150 foot rules are broken due to the inconsistent law across state borders. I really expected to see a much more prominent presense of MP in the area...don't think I saw them in the Weirs all week. Bottom line: drive defensively, always assume the other guys doesn't see you and doesn't know the laws if he did, when it doubt - come off plane and let the dangerous situation pass you. If I have someone following too close...I change my heading and let them pass. Defuse situations before they become dangerous when possible. I am greatful for the 95% of captains on the lake that know what they are doing and give the other 5% a wide birth. |
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I really wonder what goes on in the heads of people that stop in the pinch zones. There was a toon with swimmers out near the channel at the bottom of Barndoor the other day. Maybe the wind pushed them down there and they didn't realize it.
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The offending captain in this incident was an older gentleman/experienced operator partially disabled and at the time of the accident admitted (during deposition) he often can not see over the bow as he is frequently confined to a chair as a result of his physical limitations. Quote:
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Really? I expected more from the experienced boaters on this site, I'm disappointed
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In the movie "Goodfellows" when Bob De Niro's and Ray Liiotta's characters hijack a truck, the first order of business was to take the truck driver's license and remind him that they knew where he lived! And yet, here we are thanking Beauport for doing the same thing. Beauport is "going to be watching” for this Captain. Is Beauport planning to be judge and jury at some future date? Will he then decide if he/she is going to take any further action? Seriously?? Personally, I would much rather be called some names and be done with it, versus wondering every time if someone was waiting for me to depart my dock, intending to even things up. Bottom-line, why is this even posted on this forum, chances are overwhelming that the suspected weekend warrior is not even aware this site exists. My guess is that the only boaters who have read this might, on average, have 20-30, or many more, years boating on this lake. I get boating, I don’t need a pompous individual trying to show what a nice person they think they are. In my mind, the only important rule of boating is to avoid accidents. So if one is on a crowded lake or area of that lake, proceed accordingly, knowing that many others may not. They may not have skills or knowledge to match yours, or just might be having a bad minute or day. If another boater runs into you, YOU made a mistake in not avoiding the accident. |
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2. "If another boater runs into you, YOU made a mistake in not avoiding the accident." Really? I remember a post on a Wrangler forum in which a woman blamed--over and over and over--someone else's step rails for denting her car door when she opened her door into them. Outside of someone cutting another boater off, if a boater runs into someone it is ENTIRELY their fault. Sent from my Moto G (5S) Plus using Tapatalk |
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Not Entirely True...
thinkxingu...
Under COLREGS.... Rule 2 specifically... BOTH Captains have an equal obligation to avoid a collision... You are obligated to break a rule if it means avoiding a collision. Rule 2 - Responsibility (a) Nothing in these Rules shall exonerate any vessel, or the owner, master, or crew thereof, from the consequences of any neglect to comply with these Rules or of the neglect of any precaution which may be required by the ordinary practice of seamen, or by the special circumstances of the case. (b) In construing and complying with these Rules due regard shall be had to all dangers of navigation and collision and to any special circumstances, including the limitations of the vessels involved, which may make a departure from these Rules necessary to avoid immediate danger. For example.... you are the "Stand On" boat, but the "Give Way" boat does not yield (for whatever reason - does not matter). You decide to to "Stand On" and collide with him, striking the side of his boat. (or he strikes you - again doesn't matter) Bottom line is you obeyed the rule and continued to "Stand On". The operator of the "Give Way" boat will be found to be (50% - rough number) at fault... you will be found to be (50%- again rough number) for failing to alter course and avoid the accident/ improper lookout when a simple course/speed correction would have avoided the whole mess. Woodsy |
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Besides, deniro (and company) is a zero... |
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Again, no different than driving a car. When I see a car coming at me head-on (it happened just a month ago), I will proceed with caution because I see it. Those regulations do not exonerate anyone from stupidity or carelessness/wrecklessness |
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Lawyers vs Boaters
Sounds to me like there are a bunch of lawyers (or want to be lawyers) on this site.
I am a boater, if I were to be involved in an "incident" (call it what you want) I would be looking at whatever I should have done different that might have avoided/prevented it. I would of course separately be directing my lawyers to do all necessary to get the legals to my side, if needed :devil:. Much different issue, usually unrelated to being a decent boater, as well. |
Maybe, Strobe Lights?
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That's the response when you keep yelling "right of way" and tack three times in front of a Captain Bonehead who doesn't slow down for anybody.
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Sailboat had the right of way...
I see a lot of scary stuff on weekends.
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Confusion Delusion
Heading in to the mainland just southeast of Timber Island, we were approached by a boat approaching from our starboard quarter. I maintained my course since the other boat was an approaching (overtaking) vessel. When it became obvious that he was not changing his course, I reduced my speed to allow him to pass in front of us. I indicated my displeasure by giving him a thumb's down (I did have a choice of digits to use). The other boat's operator yelled that he had the right-of-way. I presume that he thought he was correct since he was approaching from our right.
There was plenty of lake behind us. He could have easily gone behind us without a change in speed. I believe that most of us would have done so. 🐻 |
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It’s like most everyone else out there thinks they have the ROW no matter what. |
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Overtaking only applies when the vessel approaches from the stern.... past the 112.5 deg mark. Woodsy |
"Starboard Quarterr"?
Woodsy, I took Barney's phrase "starboard quarter" to mean "stern quarter", and thus overtaking. If it was bow quarter up to 112.5, you are correct.
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Stern Quarter
The boat in my above entry was behind the danger zone of dead ahead to two points abaft (aft) of my starboard beam, thus he was the overtaking vessel.
I always yield rather than quibble. I'm retired and I have all day to get to my destination (whole). 😇 |
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On first read I took it that way too.... then I reread the thread. If the guy was approaching from the stern quarter, as you indicate, Barney held course and speed the guy would have/should have passed behind him safely... that is what happens past the 112.5 degree mark. Barney also had the option to speed up with the same result.. the guy passes behind Barney. Barney chose to slow, and allow the guy to pass in front... that action (and that Barney observed the guy was not changing course after some time had passed) tells me the guy was within the 112.5 and Barney was the Give Way. Like Barney said though... most likely with simple course correction the guy could have safely passed behind Barney. I do that all the time! BTW.. this is not a criticism of Barney... please don't take it that way. Just dissecting an incident on the lake. Woodsy |
Once the “give way” vessel is not showing any signs of giving way, I alter course or speed to avoid it.
In my experience on Winni this is required about 50% of the time. So far I have resisted the temptation to communicate any feelings about the bad manners or lack of knowledge to the other captains. I feel no obligation to educate other boaters. My sole obligation is the safety of my vessel. |
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Is this right?
Barney is on course. Vessel #2 approaches from his starboard stern quarter at a higher rate of speed. Barney wisely is keeping a 360 degree look out. So Barney is being overtaken, and has the ROW. #2 moves into Barney's forward starboard quarter and now #2 has the ROW, although still at a higher rate of speed. At some point, Barney slows to avoid a too close approach of the two vessels to each other. Well done, regardless of where the two boats were in the transition of ROW from one to the other. Yes, it probably would have been a safer passage if #2 had altered course and passed behind Barney. #2 should have, in my opinion, done that while Barney still had the obvious ROW. In 49 states without a 150; rule I think this would have been an unremarkable event. (We don't know how close the boats were or for how long, or at what speed except one was faster than the other.) |
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Anticipation 🎼
While boating on Lake Winnipesaukee for sixty-two years, and earlier on the inland rivers of the eastern states of the U.S.A., trouble has been avoided by anticipating what others might do including sailboat movements, boats towing a tuber or skier, a person running a trot line on a river, a tow boat with a string of barges, or other boats operating nearby on the body of water which I was enjoying. When in doubt of another's intent, I simply changed course, slowed down, or stopped. 🐻
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In these discussions it is important to consider that NOBODY has the "right of way".
There is a "stand on" vessel and a "give way" vessel. Each is to perform their duties accordingly. Unless there is certainty that no possibility of collision exists, each captain must assume that a collision is possible and perform their duties to avoid a collision. The captain of the "stand on" vessel must avoid a collision even if the "give way" vessel does not give way. |
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Deja Vu
While coming in to the mainland yesterday at the same location I mentioned in Item#76 above, a boat was fast approaching from my left. As I was in it's "danger zone", I was the stand on vessel (though I remained seated). The other captain altered her/his course and passed behind me without changing speed. I gave a wave (we frequently do this) and continued on our way. 🐻
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Better Safe Than Sorry
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I automatically assume that other boaters can't see me, are distracted, don't understand or don't care about he "rules of the road", or are affected by the chemical overload sloshing above their eyebrows. Better to back off and let these boaters pass me by and live to boat another day. However, I do have to admit to having the urge to launch a torpedo at the more egregious of the Cap'n Boneheads...if I had torpedoes. |
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Best solution, when things get really bad? Let somebody else drive, splash on some more SPF30 and just roll over. |
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