I agree too. No one seems to have changed their minds on masks and social distancing.

Although the people who argued against masks and social distancing a year ago were also saying this will blow over quickly without big public health consequences. With 500,000 dead, we can all see now that there have been gigantic public health consequences.

I wonder how many of the 550K dead were mask-wearers.

It’s a flu.


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Masks work, there's no question about it at this point. And to minimize the almost 600k dead from Covid as "a flu" given that it's at least 10x deadlier even after incredibly aggressive mitigation methods were taken this last year is ridiculous.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2776536

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These type arguments are so stupid it’s ridiculous.

Ok, say mask wearers are wrong?
But we wear them to be overly cautious. What happens?
You wear a mask for 6 more months, waste $50, look silly and you can’t itch your nose so easy. All for nothing.

What if the mask wearers are right?
And we abandon wearing them now when we know they are effective.
Another 500K or more people die than could have been prevented.

Tough choice isn’t it?

It’s not a tough choice at all. If you want to keep looking ridiculous and try to display for all your sense of virtuous self-regard, keep wearing the mask for the rest of your life. For normal people the choice is simple, especially those who’ve been vaccinated: act normal, ditch the silliness, and live life.


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Is that all you're worried about, "looking ridiculous"? We all know that looking good is much more important than feeling good? Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app

People get sick all the time. It’s a flu. Granted, worse than is typical, but a flu. Theatrics and feigned incredulity don’t make it otherwise.


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You can't fix stupid.

Winter is flu season. Covid has no season. It's with us year round. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app

Says a lot doesn't. Probably more worried about the tan lines.
Talk about living free. I could care less what it looks like. That's freedom.

They live in FEAR of what people think they look like.

If you’ve been vaccinated I don’t care what you do about masks. I don’t care about you call “silly” or what you consider “normal.” You are entitled to whatever you wish to think or say.

It’s the unvaccinated who are the problem. And it is the unvaccinated who may prevent any return to normalcy.

Sort of. I agree that a vaccinated person is of no risk to another vaccinated person, and that the real problem will be unvaccinated people.

But one issue you can see from this thread is that certain people are caused deep physical or psychic pain (haha) by doing anything that acknowledges covid's danger. This tears society between the covid-conscious and the deniers. And there are still 100MM(?) Americans waiting in line for vaccines. I'm happy to stay masked a while longer out of respect/support for those in line. Though in another couple of months, I'll have no patience for those too stupid to have protected themselves

I agree with you. But, I inferred from LoveLakeLife that he/she was not against vaccination and believed it had value. Perhaps LLL is vaccinated. If all the anti-maskers were vaccinated I don’t care as much about the rest of the stuff.

I also believe that masks do have a place and still wear them even after vaccinated. But this forum doesn’t need another discussion to persuade the unpersuadable.

Yes I’m vaccinated. Everyone should get vaccinated. But I never wore or owned a mask. I lived. And I had gotten sick I would have lived.

P.S. it’s “couldn’t care less” not “could care less. As far as “you can’t fix stupid” goes, apparently trite cliches can’t be avoided by the unoriginal.


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There is not a hint of any science showing that mask wearing among the general population does anything at all to limit covid transmission, actually the opposite and causes other problems. Early on even Saint Fauci stated in an accidentaly moment of honesty that masks could do more harm than good becasue people constantly fidgit with them, touch their face a lot, wear them wrong and reuse them too much. This makes logical common sense and there is science to back it up. I challenge anyone to come up with an actual scientific study showing masks do any good in public. "it can't hurt" is not science.

A Stanford/National institute of health study details the actual facts. This will not get wide publication because the power structure wants masks to be an object of control as well as a handy thing to blame any surge in cases on. Never mind that the southern border is wide open with untested thousands flooding over and then being let loose or transported around the country. No, cases are up because people are not wearing masks. Of course the truthfulness of the actual numbers is another topic for a different discussion.

read the whole thing here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/


summary

The study concludes

A quick search for that author/article came up with—this is awesome—a "how-to" thread on teaching students steps to spot misleading/deceptive/untrue resources.

https://www.amgenbiotechexperience.c...rily-believing

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It's from a government website. Or do you only beleve the government when it suits you?

I research most things, especially articles with "hypothesis" in the title that go against the WHO, CDC, and most every other health/science organization.

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You must have missed Think's post #44 above--he links to an article in the Journal of the American Medical Assoc that documents the evidence

Mask Do Not Work?
 

So for those who do not believe they do not work...would you allow your dentist to do work on you without a mask? How about have a minor or major surgery procedure? Would you be OK with your medical team not wearing a mask?

One thing there is no shortage of are unfounded facts! Reality is the virus, and vaccines are not old enough to really know what the overall long run effects are. How would you feel if you are vaccinated, and thus move around freely and unknowingly are exposed to the virus and while you may not feel any symptoms you could have it and spread it. No big deal until people around who for some reason may not be able to be vaccinated get ill and die!

Then again there are those that are considerate of others and those that only care about themselves. Each has the freedom to decide which group they wish to belong.

There is a big difference in wearing a mask when in close proximity to someone such as a dentist or surgeon working on the human body.... And wearing a mask out in public..... I think Mask have a time and place, but when I am walking outside and not in close proximity to others, I don't believe it does any good.

But that is just my opinion..... I think if we could turn back time, and not mandate mask, we would find the trajectory of the future doesn't change much. The biggest thing that was done to help stop the spread, was social distancing, and people working from home....

Mask IMHO, are just a feel good measure.... nothing more nothing less.

so what? AMA is no more believeable than anyone else. Common sense says masks paper masks on untrained people are stupid. CDC and WHO have not demonstrated and reason to trust them either.

Again we differ. Use your head and think, don’t “feel”. And it’s “might think” not “may think.”


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stuff your condescension

I hope Webmaster kills this thread before it gets out of hand.

I wasn’t being condescending, just helpful. I wonder how many mask people are still wearing gloves and spraying groceries? lol. If not, why not?


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We are all forum friends, just with varying outlooks and opinions. I have no doubt we would all have a great time together if the forum fests were to begin again. I enjoy everyone on here.


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We agree on most
 

I should have been more specific. I was referring to wearing masks when inside and close to others, not outside where it is easy to social distance.

I'm sorry, not called for.

I am no scientist but I have been in plenty of stores around the Lakes Region and otherwise where there have been people sneezing, coughing etc with no regard for anyone. Even those with "a cold" that are too ignorant to cover their mouth..... I don't need science to tell me that is not healthy for anyone around them, let alone disgusting.

Not condescending? Bah humbug!
 

Having read several of your recent posts, it is very hard to believe that your intentions were to be helpful. Perception is important, and mine is that you wanted to make others look less smart/important than you.....not generally suggested as a way to make forum friends. JMHO

We should all realize we all want the same thing. We all want to get back to "normal" ASAP. Can we all agree on that?

I think one thing that really gets under peoples skin is comments of it's just a bad flu and overblown. A lot of people have had direct loved ones affected and it's a pretty horrible thing. You'd have to be living under rock to seriously think this is just a bad flu. It's 10x worse. And the Flu is not anything to sneeze at (no pun intended). It hits some countries a lot harder than others due to poor care.

Another thing I think is being confused is the TYPE of masks being referenced.

When this started I was using an N95 type mask (without the Valve). They were pretty tough to use for long periods or if you exerted yourself.

Everyone was saying, how can you breath in that. I couldn't :) Finally I switched to the "Surgical" masks. These are much more loose fitting. And what you mostly see these days in public. They don't seal as good but they allow you to breath easier and don't have some of the negative effects of the tight fitting N95 type masks. The Pro's outweigh the negatives (for this application, public daily use). They basically reduce the odds of you sucking in a direct hit or you sending one out. Not a guarantee at all. They have been used for decades.

Part of the reason the WHO were saying not to use "masks" by the general population is because N95 were in short supply. And that's partly what they were referring to. You need to rotate them a lot to warrant them and reserve them for direct contact situations.

You are seeing some references that a in the extremes. Like the public population using N95 or "transmission" tests using the looser fitting surgical mask with "immersed" exposure.

This is a nice summary that I don't think is biased, current and references The WHO and CDC recommendations.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...k/art-20485449

I will say, this is the first winter I can remember in eons I didn't get an inevitable cold. Usually passes from one co-worker to another. It might be a 2 day sniffle or 2 weeks of hacking once or twice a winter. I had nothing this winter. And it was not just masks of course. All the social distancing measures contributed to that.

You said "not a hint of any science" supporting masks. Think gives you much more than a hint--he provides a link to one of the leading medical journals in the world.

Your first post was flat out wrong. Now, instead of acknowledging that and saying thanks for the "hint", you move the goal posts and go to the ridiculous assertion that a person is no better off with leading doctors than they would be with anyone else.

You don't really get the seriousness of it until it affects you personally and I don't wish that on anyone.

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I agree completely. It wasn't really until a few months ago that my family and friend circle got hit, and I felt like things were closing in as they missed weeks of work, were rushed to hospitals, and, in my MIL's case, died. My best friend and his wife are still experiencing taste and smell loss, headaches, and fatigue...4 weeks after having tested positive.

Those are all enough reasons for me to wear a mask when around people/indoors.

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Top doctors and organizations disagree. You believe the ones that support you position and I do the same. But, I also have common sense on my side and recognize that the powers want to keep their boot on our neck as long as possible and will do or say anything to keep that control no matter what.

Right. It hit pretty close to home when my sister in law got it bad. She’s been drugged unconscious for weeks on a ventilator. She is now breathing on her own. She can’t feel or move anything from the neck down. This is what “recovering” from COVID looks like for some. I know more people with impairments from COVID than died from COVID.

The number of people that have “recovered” but with serious degradation in the quality life has not been tallied yet. But it could be huge and will cost society a huge burden to support them. This is what might bankrupt the country in the long run. Even if COVID disappeared today. The damage in its wake is far beyond just the deaths.

My #1 reason for wearing a mask is to not be a burden on society.

Sue, perception of the message is beyond the speaker’s control because it is filtered through the reader’s experience and biases. Intent is all that matters and I know the sincerity of my intent. Here’s to a great upcoming summer.


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